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dude your so gay, number one my friends eclipse had been in the shop 18 times before i even had to get a checkup for the first time. Second, just because they are faster stock doesnt rule civics out. They have a stock turbo and thats it, you spend 3000 on a greddy turbo kit, and work on the engine a bit to the point where a civic souped up couldnt touch it, then you have a nice car. thats my opinion.
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