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i understand what you are saying about newer cars timing being differant. my car is computer controlled but, it is still very primitive and does not change as much as you are saying. it is more like being preprogramed for certain rpm's and not so aware of conditions. i have rediculously looked into this before i bought the chip to make sure it would be ok. my car is my only transportation and means more to me than anything else i own. i know more about my car than i know about myself and would never hurt it in anyway. i am finished arguing with you about this because there is no way to resolve it. everyone has differant results with chips. i just happend to have good results. as the great beatles once said "let it be". i fully believe you know what you are talking about, but you dont know me and dont my car and situation. i was offering an opinion that "civic98" asked for. we all like hondas and dont need to argue
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