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Why would you advise an all motor set-up on a SOHC motor? Yes, there is power to be made with some N/A tuning but how far do you think that you can get with a D16Y8 and keep it within emissions? If you can make it to the power of a D16 with the basic GReddy kit on it, that would be a great accomplishment. As for the car being damn fast, I don't think so. It would be quick, but not fast.
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I have already addressed these comments earlier in this thread! Just read.
First of all, money issues. Friend, you are reading between the lines and not the whole picture! You act like I am telling him not to get a swap or turbo application or something. You are also acting like that what I am telling him is dead wrong! If this guy is money deficiant, and I am going strickly by presumption as every post does one here does about those asking questions, he can throw $100 there and another there, and another here without breaking your bank all at once! Provided that he does the work himself of course! I agree with you that buying a swap is better in terms of investment, but as I stated not everyone has the money. Oh Yeah as someone intially commented on my post, "unless he is Bill Friggin Gates". RIGHT!!!!!! We have already established that I agree with that! Heck, I import these damn engines, I know! Bust this guy was not asking about swaps, he is working with his current setup!
On the other side, I have been working on my SOHC for Three years now as I have not always owned the company. I can tell you this with my current setup, and it is still within CO emissions, that I compete very well with SOME B16 and B18 swaps and it started as a D15 NON Vtec! And I do not force induct! In addition, I do all the work myself, so I have not spent $7K like someone stated it would cost. Next step for me would be Turbo, but I am just going to go farther than that and get an H23A Vtec Swap which has much more power potential than any other Honda engine out there right now as Stephan Papadakis would tell you! This is what he has in his AEM Civic. Would you want to go against him? LOL
In the meantime, there is something about being NA that makes you smile to know that your car is faster than others without the help of the forced air or the No2. So unless you have done it yourself with this same application, I suggest you leave the comments to those who have. You should not go 100% by the experience or comments of others. If Honda did that, Vtec would not exist! But as I learn all the time, no matter how fast you feel you are, there are so many more out there who are faster, as those with the Turbos as 15 psi+. But BRING on the NA's!!!!
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This I dont understand so well, what are you saving from using a D16 over a B16? Is it the hundred pounds you save using a D16? Yes I have to agree that Honda engines are pretty torqueless but how can you say Horsepower means nothing? What makes a 99 Si almost 2 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile than a 99 EX? Oh wait I got it...it's the weight right? Oh no, the Si is heavier...ok ok I got it.....it's 4 extra ft lbs of torque right?
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LOL, I don't where you are ranting and ravving here! First of all, Horsepower needs the torque to move. That is the science in the engines! In any engine!!!!! Honda compromises the torque for the extra horses because of economy. This is why V8s suck up gas so fast!! Read that in any motorsports manual/magazine! As when you do mods. If you are going for strickly HP and not torque and you have a damn heavy car, you aint going nowhere fast! You have to find the fine line between the two.
Look at in terms of cars. The 95+ Nissan 200SX Se-r has mega loads of torque. It is equipted with the SR20DE engine which makes it a 2.0 of 1900+ cc of displacement, it is also a DOHC. I beleive the car weighs about 3200 lbs if I remember correctly. Basically, with very little done to it. It can go FAST! My business partner owns one, so that is why I am using that as an example. The car from stock starts at 140 hp @ 6,400 rpm 132 ft-lbs @ 4,800 rpm. The only engine that comes close to the Sr20de in terms of the displacement and horsepower other than the B20 is the B18 (you should already know the specifications of this Einstein). Put that into a Civic because the weight of the 200SX and The Civic are pretty close. <u>Without the Vtec</u> on the Hondas side there would be no chance for the Honda to catch up to the 200Sx for one, torque is what gets you off the line quicker. Two, the little Honda does not have the Vtec to help, we have eliminated that for this example because Nissan does not have the Vtec!! The se-r stats are 0-60 MPH: 7.13 sec. 1/4 mile: 15.6 sec. @ 91 MPH. How many of you know what the Honda will do without the Vtec on a B18 B16 or B20?!?! 17 seconds and slower! But of course that depends on your altitude, not attitude! I live in CO, so that automatically makes you 1 second slower!
I will use my car as an example on this one. Before any mods and on my non-vtec D15B7 base model, I was lucky to reach 60 mph in 12 seconds.
. LOL, I know, that is damn slow! I have improved that a lot by what I have added to the car all listed in my signature below, by improving that to approx 6.5 seconds all done in NA. I have not taken my car out to the track yet as I need a new clutch, but I am sure it will improve more once I upgrade that. Sorry, can't provide any E.t.a.
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Yes there is a replacement, it's called a turbocharger. [/b]
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LOL, I can't disagree with you on that one, but we are talking about money issues here. If the guy has enough money to buy a turbo setup, he would have had enough money to by a swap in the first place, right? Then he would not had asked what to do on the D16. That's my point! Of course the guy who originally started this thread has yet to comment to what his position is, so enough bickering and see what this guy wants to do and what his pocketbook says! I'm done arguing! I have no more torque. LOL
