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toocoolforschool 08-19-2003 02:28 PM

who would win?
 
i have a '95 Civic EX Coupe and it is stock as of right now and one of my friends wants to race me he has a '94 buick regal it has 160hp and 185ft-lbs. it weighs 3240lbs. 125hp and 106ft-lbs. and weighs 2443lbs so if anyone can give me any help on this subject i would be thankful. i just don't want my ass handed to me so if he would have a big chance at beatting me i won't race till i get some mods. thanks again.;)

ebpda9 08-19-2003 03:19 PM

he's gonna woop you man.

Wren57 08-19-2003 03:41 PM

agreed. he weighs 800lbs more than you, but has 60% more torque and like 40% more HP... you will lose

V8killimports 08-19-2003 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by highlander
agreed. he weighs 800lbs more than you, but has 60% more torque and like 40% more HP... you will lose


But isn't having 800lbs less like having 800 xtra horsepower??

GirlSolRacer 08-19-2003 04:22 PM

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But isn't having 800lbs less like having 800 xtra horsepower??


Um, NO. every 100lbs is only 1/10 of a second. 40% to 60% more horsepower and torque will outweigh that. Just like when my cousin raced his dad's northstar caddy against a 67 camaro with a 350. Okay, the camaro doesn't have a whole lot done to it but it's in great shape. The caddy still whooped it by 2 cars every time they raced. That's the torque coming into play. That caddy is heavier than the camaro. And the horsepower that you said it has is to the flywheel. When it gets to the wheels it's what, 97hp? That just doesn't stack up to a bigger, beefier engine with more hp/torque.

Wren57 08-19-2003 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by GirlSolRacer
Um, NO. every 100lbs is only 1/10 of a second. 40% to 60% more horsepower and torque will outweigh that. Just like when my cousin raced his dad's northstar caddy against a 67 camaro with a 350. Okay, the camaro doesn't have a whole lot done to it but it's in great shape. The caddy still whooped it by 2 cars every time they raced. That's the torque coming into play. That caddy is heavier than the camaro. And the horsepower that you said it has is to the flywheel. When it gets to the wheels it's what, 97hp? That just doesn't stack up to a bigger, beefier engine with more hp/torque.


hehe, v8 was being sarcastic:D

member 08-19-2003 10:06 PM

go to the local acura dealer and say you want to test drive a rsx-s...

then race him, beat him, and buy the car.

Duckydos 08-19-2003 11:55 PM

OK, not to be a prick, but it's a f*cking Buick Regal. And spare me the speach about the Grand National, because the Regal isn't Turbo'd.


-Ducky

myself_included 08-20-2003 02:03 AM

I could beat your stock civic on my bicycle.


he'd smash you dood

sohc_vtec 2NR 08-20-2003 08:47 AM

go ahead and try it...then let us know..

V8killimports 08-21-2003 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by GirlSolRacer
Um, NO. every 100lbs is only 1/10 of a second. 40% to 60% more horsepower and torque will outweigh that. Just like when my cousin raced his dad's northstar caddy against a 67 camaro with a 350. Okay, the camaro doesn't have a whole lot done to it but it's in great shape. The caddy still whooped it by 2 cars every time they raced. That's the torque coming into play. That caddy is heavier than the camaro. And the horsepower that you said it has is to the flywheel. When it gets to the wheels it's what, 97hp? That just doesn't stack up to a bigger, beefier engine with more hp/torque.


Wee yes I was being very sarcastic.. 100# will not get you a tenth anyways. A lot of optimistic people strip their cars of their interior shedding 500# thinking they will drop a second.. here is a simple calc to figure out a hp rating. If you drop 100# figure an extra 5hp maybe depending on where the weight was taken from.

GirlSolRacer 08-21-2003 08:09 AM

I didn't say a guaranteed 1/10th, just calculated, because the addition of your 5hp. Theory and calculations don't always work in every situation. A lot has to do with the driver too. You can take the same car and let the owner drive the quarter, then let a more experienced racer drive and beat the owner's time, with all the same mods, weight, etc. But I don't think any of these things apply to the race this guy is talking about. ;)

V8killimports 08-21-2003 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by GirlSolRacer
I didn't say a guaranteed 1/10th, just calculated, because the addition of your 5hp. Theory and calculations don't always work in every situation. A lot has to do with the driver too. You can take the same car and let the owner drive the quarter, then let a more experienced racer drive and beat the owner's time, with all the same mods, weight, etc. But I don't think any of these things apply to the race this guy is talking about. ;)


Well honestly.. I am talking more about car capabilities. I really don't car what it runs in the 1/4 even if I had a 3 second r/t. I just adjust how shitty I drove, then adjust it to see the cars capabilities. We are talking more about the 2 cars capabilities here rather than the drivers... and honestly, any moron can learn to drive.. it really isn't rocket science, and it isn't like flying a plane or anything..

GirlSolRacer 08-21-2003 02:43 PM

You'd be suprised....:paranoid:

CD5Passion 08-21-2003 03:01 PM

my friend wooped me in his mom's Dodge Caravan when I saw him once..that was embarrasing

course he had a v6 vs..well..the accord:|

sohc_vtec 2NR 08-21-2003 03:33 PM

don't mess with those caravans! they quick! :yes:

member 08-21-2003 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by V8killimports
any moron can learn to drive.. it really isn't rocket science, and it isn't like flying a plane or anything..


i hope you're talking about 1/4...

any moron would know that racing on a GT track isn't easy...i would know.

V8killimports 08-22-2003 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by member
i hope you're talking about 1/4...

any moron would know that racing on a GT track isn't easy...i would know.



Of course you would.. you are the greatest.

member 08-22-2003 02:17 AM

yes, i am.

i am a 3 time JGTC champion with many other cups under my belt.

V8killimports 08-22-2003 02:36 AM

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Originally posted by member
yes, i am.

i am a 3 time JGTC champion with many other cups under my belt.



lol ok


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