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Duckydos 04-23-2003 01:47 AM

Ahhh... RWD
 
As most of you know, my car's being repaired. In the mean time, I've been driving a '99 Merc C230 Kompressor. God I love rear-wheel-drive! Just turn the ESP (not sure what it stands for, but it's traction control) off and peg the gas through the turns... I was thinking about getting a GS-T, but now I want something RWD... maybe a RX-7 or a BMW...
Now, I've been a fan of the whole Initial D / drifting scene before, but now I can actually do it. (In reality, that's why my car is being repaired, I managed to get the back end to slide around... right into a curb.) Anyone else share my new found passion? Kinda hard when we're driving Honda's...

ebpda9 04-23-2003 01:52 AM

well i've been sliding around for a while now (while the brakes were working) pretty fun to do the whole accelerate/brake thing at once

Duckydos 04-23-2003 02:08 AM

But that's not really drifting tho (unless your Accord is magically RWD, in which case, we need to talk)... that's more like skidding through turns. I am actually talking about powering your back end through a turn.

ebpda9 04-23-2003 02:20 AM

heh, just as close i can get. i often use the ebrake lol

Racing Rice 04-23-2003 07:03 AM

Hell Yes! My friend bought a 97 BMW 328i with the sport package.. What a blast! I wish I would have bought that miata when I had the chance..:banghead:

nonovurbizniz 04-23-2003 08:17 AM

fyi...

1.you can drift in ANY drive configured car... (drifting is driving BEYOND the handleing capabilities of the car while maintaining control... Think powering through the snow... you don't have traction but your in control and going faster then you would be if you were driving within the traction limit of the car.)

2. stomping on the gas in the middle of a turn is NOT drifting (it's power-sliding and it's a rally technique not a road racing one.)

Mushroom 04-23-2003 11:46 AM

I'm with nonovurbizniz on the drifting terminilogy. Regardless, I caught the RWD bug after driving a 240 then a s2000 for a while; I'm definitely avoiding FF for my next car.

nonovurbizniz 04-23-2003 12:00 PM

ya i'm all about sliding the ass out on a rwd car it's a blast... my dad's porsche used to fishtail like a BEOTCH when you'd gun it coming out of a parking lot even in second. it was great.

Racing Rice 04-23-2003 12:35 PM

My first experience with it was an evil friend of mines fault. He owned an older TA, and never wanted to drive it so he always let me. To make matters worse. He was always eggin me on "Give it more gas, whats wrong with you" So needless to say. I was fishtailing all over the road. Damn, it was fun though!:D

SolPol 04-23-2003 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Racing Rice
My first experience with it was an evil friend of mines fault. He owned an older TA, and never wanted to drive it so he always let me. To make matters worse. He was always eggin me on "Give it more gas, whats wrong with you" So needless to say. I was fishtailing all over the road. Damn, it was fun though!:D


Sounds like a friend of mine with his Corrado. Whenever you drove his car he'd be screaming to go faster.

Anyway, uh, I had an 84 Buick Regal Limited. There's some RWD power for ya.

SolPol 04-23-2003 01:25 PM

That Buick is what really taught me to drive on snow though. First winter I had my license I had that car and really got experience driving out of fishtails and the like.

msvtec14 04-23-2003 01:35 PM

Re: Ahhh... RWD
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Duckydos
As most of you know, my car's being repaired. In the mean time, I've been driving a '99 Merc C230 Kompressor. God I love rear-wheel-drive! Just turn the ESP (not sure what it stands for, but it's traction control) off and peg the gas through the turns... I was thinking about getting a GS-T, but now I want something RWD... maybe a RX-7 or a BMW...
Now, I've been a fan of the whole Initial D / drifting scene before, but now I can actually do it. (In reality, that's why my car is being repaired, I managed to get the back end to slide around... right into a curb.) Anyone else share my new found passion? Kinda hard when we're driving Honda's...



YES:yes: My Cadillac is RWD.

Operatic 04-23-2003 02:38 PM

you can drift in a FWD car, i think its called Power Over. cutting the wheel, pull up the e-brake, then when your done, just cut the wheel the other way and apply the gas. i'm not sure if thats the correct one. besides that, i'm no drift expert either.

pbateson 04-23-2003 02:54 PM

My dad used to drive Land Rover Coupe Car and later sold the car at Hong Kong. It's a RWD.

pbateson 04-23-2003 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Operatic
you can drift in a FWD car, i think its called Power Over. cutting the wheel, pull up the e-brake, then when your done, just cut the wheel the other way and apply the gas. i'm not sure if thats the correct one. besides that, i'm no drift expert either.


Pull e-brake on and drifting around???

However if the smoke come out from the tires???

silver 04-23-2003 03:01 PM

when I had my s14(may she r.i.p.) I made plenty tries but my success rate for a qualified drift was like 20%.

and to drift in a fwd you would have to find a way to break the rear end lose without losing speed, i don't see how you can slide the back end of a fwd while retaining control and speed, plus not using the e-brake. the oversteer from the fwd would make it very difficult. as for rally racing with a fwd, that is different because you are not on a paved road.

Shot 2 Hel 04-23-2003 04:00 PM

well on a dirt road your not really drifing since its just the gravel under your tires thats giving way and your wheels arent sliding

Violent Apathy 04-23-2003 04:30 PM

Man I wish i picked up that 240SX when i had the chance

spoogenet 04-23-2003 05:00 PM

RWD is by far the way to go. I wouldn't say I caught the bug because I never liked FWD and I'm not too partial to AWD either. For handling, RWD only please.....although Quattro could make me change my mind, too bad it's a Veedub.

NA 4-cyl is also not the way to go, NA 6 or larger or FI.

Benefit to my car? Lower TCO....other than that, no others I can think of.

b

SilverCiv 04-23-2003 05:51 PM

I had a jeep before my civic, when there was snow I used to drift

Wren57 04-23-2003 07:44 PM

I drift in my moms BMW... gotta turn the DSC off, then its awesome!;)

G-M-W 04-23-2003 07:58 PM

i had a 77 mustang v8 before my civic

it was rediculous in the snow...but fun...i slid everywhere......rwd is for sure way more fun

nonovurbizniz 04-23-2003 09:53 PM

drifting and fwd has nothing to do with the ebrake...

I think you mean the UNDERsteer typical of most fwd's will make it harder to drift... oversteer is when the ass comes out...

Drifting in a fwd is not as much fun nor does it create MUCH faster speeds through turns as it does with rwd or awd... however it's possible.. .it's SCARY as HELL but so is REAL drifting in any car...

the video's that go around aren't really drifting... they're just people pushing through corners while doing a burnout so it LOOKS like drifting KIND OF... real drifting is REALLY dangerous and not all that controllable by anyone but the best of drivers...

I can do it but rarely if ever do.. .I'm not risking my or anyone elses life to look cool or to show someone it's possible... however I've done it a couple of times to shut people up and they have agreed it's not fun or cool it's just SCARY...

you screw up before your out of the corner either way (IE understeer OR oversteer) once your in a drift your most likely going to die or come REAL close. Your car will DEFINATELY not survive to tell the story...

there was a GREAT article in road & track about one of the writers visting a famous bmw racer in germany and on the way home the guy ripped off the autobahn at about 100 into a slow 180 degree turn all 4 wheels squeeling as he continued to recount a racing story to the writer... it was funny the way it was worded and how obvious it was that this guy made a veteran road & track writer all but dump in his pants.

silver 04-24-2003 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
drifting and fwd has nothing to do with the ebrake...

I think you mean the UNDERsteer typical of most fwd's will make it harder to drift... oversteer is when the ass comes out...




we're talking about the same thing, i can just never remember if it's over or under, whatever it is that causes extreme grip in the front during a turn.

nonovurbizniz 04-24-2003 09:28 PM

Understeer.... is when the car "pushes" through the corner... IE the front looses traction and can not keep turning as sharply as it did... for a right hand turn this would mean sliding into the oncoming lane... for a left hand turn it would mean sliding off the road front end first...

Oversteer.... is when the ass end slides out. making the car turn sharper then it was when it had traction.

Duckydos 04-24-2003 11:37 PM

There goes nonovurbizniz, the resident expert, correcting EVERYONE again. No one is safe from his contradictions!

nonovurbizniz 04-25-2003 07:50 AM

just like to make things clear.

I don't use it but I bet "howstuffworks.com" has great write ups on all thsee subjects.

I've been meaning to start reading that site more.

spoogenet 04-25-2003 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Duckydos
There goes nonovurbizniz, the resident expert, correcting EVERYONE again. No one is safe from his contradictions!


Don't screw it up and he won't correct you.

Understeer blows. ;( I shoulda bought a bimmer.

b


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