Honda's and strait lines....
 

....(in my opinion)don't mix. I think they're really for a rally type car....if you want a strait line car, go with good ol' American muscle...or one of those hellzma pimped out supras, skyline, STi, or another really expensive car. I thought of this when i was driving on a really whindy road today(was hella fun).

i guess it also depends on how much suspension work you've done.

yeah b/d series axles do have a lot of torque steer...

strait line? whatever do you mean babyface?

I have no idea wtf that is....rofl....I'm not a rook, i'm really not :paranoid: lol

RAcing the 1/4 mile, or IN A STRAIT LINE!!! lol


ya know?...strait... ----------------s--t--rai--ttttt :cool:
hehe

Do you think that Hondas curve or something?

eh....I don't how else to put it:rolleyes:

heh...umm...lemmy think here.....They turn way better than most strait line cars....unless you do suspension werk....ya know, i mean.......Hrm....They stay on the ground...grr, I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT!:mad:

umm.....they're lower, and have stiffer suspension(if you tune it), and yea......somone else try, rofl :paranoid:

Definition of Torque Steer: The annoying tendency of some front-wheel drive vehicles to pull to one side when engine torque is applied. In other words, you step on the gas and the car wants to steer right or left. By redesigning the power train to use equal length half shafts between the transaxle and wheels, the tendency towards torque steer can be greatly reduced. The other cure is to keep off the gas.

basically - goin super fast (from a stop or from boost) and almost goin off the road because it pulls the wheels one way

the b and d series axles are notorious for this...basically because they arent engineered for that kind of power that boost or super high build-ups can produce

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well they are not made for rally but autox they are fun. the subframes are waaaaaaaaaaay to weak to get the abuse of a rally race. and i never had so much fun in a car than i had in honda. screw straight line speed.

because the engine is transversal and the axles are not equal in lenght. nothing an lsd can't take care of.

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Serious brutha!

and i was comparing to any american muscle car ( i hope i do't get flamed for this) if a muscle car tried to take me on any of these turns i went on today, i'd smoke um. good stuff....

for all the muscle cars peeps out there (so you don't ***** me out) You'd Fukn Rip me apart in a strait line.

yes. screw straight lines. I'm being forced to drive a Mustang and I HATE IT!

SOMEONE BUY IT, I'LL CUT YOU A DEAL!!!! I HATE IT:no: ;(

no one ever really has fun w/ straight lines...once you get over the fun of getting thrown into the seat...it gets old...the twisties is where its at

i said this before, but i don't consider 1/4 miles and other straight line driving as "racing".

btw, sometimes when i take a corner from the stop sign, my car jerks a little. is it because i'm trying to turn and speed up at the same time?

u can build ur honda for a straight line if u want..any car can be used for anything....ok maybe not a huge ass mercedes in a auto X....u know what i mean though....just about Everything....ive seen civics hit 10's....thats hella fast...:yes:

^^^ that's why i hate it when people say "oh, ______ car is slow".

yup..u just need money....thats about it....:yes:

In my opinion, Honda's belong in the sand dunes.... oh wait, that didn't work out right. I have "rallyed" my car quite a bit and haven't broken anything (well, the stone shield is destroyed/gone and the front bumper is rather scratched up) but I am sure my car will fall apart any day.
Lets face it, Honda's weren't meant to be 1/4 mile dragster nor autocross monsters; but that's the beauty of the Honda. It has so much un-tapped potential. I would have to say that anything is possible in a Honda, granted you have the time and money. (I have seen a CRX mounted a john-boat... it did float :D )

Any car can be made fast in any way with enough money, simple as that... A hummer could be made to auto-x. Would it take at least 100k? Yes. Would it be as fast as a stock 80s civic? Probably not, but still fast for its class. The fact is that a 13 second civic is considered fast, whereas a 13 second supra/skyline is considered slow. People don't expect as much from a civic, therefore it passes its expectations easier. Same with my SUV. I don't expect it to out-run anything on the road, but when I do outrun something I am happy because it was unexpected, although I have outrun many a modded sport compacts (gotta love 18" chrome rims on a 180hp car)... basically my point is you can't rule out any type of car in any type of competition until you know how it has been modded.

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Well, i guess you wont be building a 11/sec drag racer then?

Ifn a straight line a good ol American Muscle Car will own most any import, toss some turns in there though.... And we all know that driving down a windy road is a helluva lot more fun than goin in a straight line!

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Hmm?


*EDIT* oh oh oh, i get ya....nah, i'll have both with my STi. i'll have an 11 second quarter mile, and hella good handling :yes:

You accelerate out of the turn, not through the turn....get me?

understeer
 

Bingo. I don't count NASCAR either. :)


Sure, you have less traction on the fronts when accelerating, and you have less traction on the fronts when turning. Combine them and you have understeer - jerky on grippy surfaces or a nice slide on a wet surface.

um.. b and d serise have bad tq steer? heh... take a ride in my car... i have major tq steer problems. hondas are decent autoX and road course cars, not rally. but honestly, i dont think honda has one car that is suppioror to a car of a different manufacture. if anyone can think of it, i would like to know

most hondas are economy cars...they belong on the streets as daily drivers...

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You think you can takle a Corvette on the twisties? You think about that. A C5 would tear you up.

if your talking about a neglected muscle car from the 60's sure you'll beat them in corners (depending on how good a driver you are) but with even a little maintanance on a muscle car and I will ROAST your honda in the corners....

Sure honda's are more fun to drive in the twisties instead of in a straight line... because HONDA'S ARE SLOW.... and sure the take corners OK but that's all.... I have an ex and it has a GREAT stock suspension but I could roast that thing day in and day out in ANY late 80's mustang and probobly with a muscle car as long as the susp. is in decent shape or rebuilt.

It's all driving technique... sure susp. and center of gravity help... but saying that you could beat a mustang around corners is just dumb... maybe the one's you've seen or been in but round here... a mustang will take you in the corners if it feels like it and the driver is competant.

Honda's are just easier to drive around corners.... not neccisarily better and DEFINATLELY NOT the best....

they have well designed suspensions but they're no handling machine by any stretch..

and what Chris is saying is SO true.... honda cars aren't even that special... none of them truely out-classed the competition.

And as far as d/b series torque steer.... uh no... they notorius for rough running and they do have SOME torque steer but for real torque steer try any 2.0 or higher that's front drive w/o lsd...

so i'm understeering. i see.

i read about that on the initial d manga's.

You can flame Honda's all day long if that's what gets you off. But I can't think of any other car out there that you can get for around $3500, dump under $1k into it, and have a decent car, daily driving, streetable car. Your $4500 Mustang GT sure is faster, but not nearly as reliable. As for those Corvettes you were talking about Addict, the retail on that is probably 10x.
In case you haven't noticed, the difference between a 12sec Supra and my car car is only about 4 seconds... So, is that 4seconds worth the extra $30k + invested.
I am simply saying, that Honda's are good cars for the money, and when you bring up a Corvette going against a Civic, you just sound stupid in my book. A better comparison would be a later model Nissan 200sx or a Toyota Carolla...

^^^ yup.

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Of course their are the exceptions. Especially today when the technology is getting real good. they makin muscle cars lower, and with stiffer suspension cause everyone is trying to make the 'ultimate' car.

Dude, you have stock suspension, of course you think that. Go get some coilovers, sways, and some stablizers. then tell us what ya think.

Civics stock suspension is far from great.

...Good point :yes:

PLEASE.... flame on honda if that's what gets me off??


OK ANY OTHER IMPORT IS CAPABLE OF BEING EXACTLY AS GOOD IF NOT BETTER THAN A CIVIC.

something more comparable... a 200sx you say??? OK the sentra has a FAR better suspension than the civic both in stock form and modified... they use 4 wheel mcpherson struts... we have shocks.

They also have a 2.0 liter engine which comes turboed in japan... there's a list of about 5 things that you can swap on to it to make it EXAVCTLY as fast a a WORKED 240...

Civic's are NOT great cars... sure they're fun and they drive nice and you can do swaps... the only difference between honda and say nissan or toyota or anyother import manufacture is the honda's have a much bigger aftermarket availability which makes it easy to build them up...

My old sentra (93 E bottom of the line) would ROAST you guys with coilovers with nothing more than wheels eibach's and struts.


forget strut towers and swaybars... it's a FAR better designed handling machine than the civic...

Look at auto cross.. at least around here... neon's OWN civics... there are a TON of GREAT handling cars out there the civic is decent and all but it's no GOD by any stretch.

and as far as the stock suspension not being all that great on an ex... You have NO idea what your talking about... I have stock shocks springs and sway bar (just up front) and about 150k miles.. I'd say that's pretty good. Beyond the fact that it still handles mint....My buddy with an rx-7 turbo II (one of the best handling cars EVER) was just in my car the other day and said "wholly shit this thing handles mint"

It's all driver... I'm telling you I could (probobly) ROAST most of these kids with full coilover suspensions with a minivan through corners or not...

what do you mean by "mint"? is that bad? good? normal?

mint as in mint condition....

yes my car handles AWESOME... I have most of the hyperflex bushing kit installed but that's it...

I'm saying that I agree that honda's handle great and all but they're not FAR superior to ANY other car. period....

They're fun and easy to drive... but given the right driver you could get your but handed to you in ANY other car.

A minivan could out handle a honda with the same money put into it much less a muscle car.

mint is good....as if noone could figure it out by using their context clues.....and i just don't understand how anyone gets brainwashed into thinking that thee Honda is thee greatest car around. I could never think of saying the my Civic is the best or nearly the best at anything....not that I have one anymore...the civic does what it's meant to do...keep 4 tires on the road and get you from point a to point b....civic's shouldn't be competing for times and stuff......we should hold contests to see who gets the best gas mileage or somethin....i don't know....

ya milage is great too but not better than ANY other comparable vehicle just like the handling and performance..

Honda's are nothing other than reliable fun to drive good decent cars.

You want an import rocket.. it better be at LEAST 1.8 liters and running AT LEAST 6lbs of boost. that eliminates ALL HONDA/ACURA.

You want a handling machine it better have a better designed rearend then civics or integras.

they're great and fun to drive but by NO means top dog or superior.

How did this post get turned into a Honda bashing post? Our cars are fun to drive, isn't that why we own them? We didn't buy them thinking they were the BEST, did we? No, we bought them because they are very good,reliable,fun cars. For the money are a great value. DON'T compare them to vettes or mustangs. Sure, for similar money you could buy different cars that are just as fast or faster, and IF these cars are so much better, why didn't you buy one? Our cars are fun to modify, yes? We're all just a bunch of guys who are having fun w/ our cars, NONE OF US ARE PRO, so love what you have.