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nonovurbizniz 02-26-2004 10:57 PM

97+ Prelude VTEC calipers on a 93 ex.
 
So I heard that the calipers would bolt up to teg front hubs... I tried it on my stock civic hubs... and they fit...

They will need some spacing or grinding and I'm not sure if they'll fit under my 15" konigs... if I need 16's it's out... but if they fit under my existing wheels I'll have it done within a couple of months...

pdiggitydogg 02-26-2004 11:14 PM

im surprised they fit w/o integra spindles, at the least.

pics up when you find out a final answer

IALuder 02-27-2004 11:54 AM

i never would have thought of doing that.

show some pictures.

nonovurbizniz 02-27-2004 11:44 PM

i don't think we-todd-did lets you post pictures here...

If someone wants to host them or look at them they're

Here...

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=781310

pdiggitydogg 02-27-2004 11:46 PM

Yeah I saw that over there...
So...it works? Get that shit together and let us know...I wonder if its the same on eks

nonovurbizniz 02-27-2004 11:50 PM

I still have to get the rotor and drill it for 4x100 and see how it fits/lines up... then I'll check to see if my 15" konigs fit over them... if they do I will work on shimming it or shaving it to line everything up...

Then it's a matter of me saving enough for some rebuilt calipers and some brembo blanks...

As there is only the one caliper off the car I got this one off of.

As mentioned above and over there... if I can get it to work I'll do a good write up with pictures... and it'll happen pretty fast too I hope...

The car already stops pretty F'ing fast... but more never hurt.

ChrisCantSkate 02-28-2004 01:34 AM

if the 4th gen and 5th gen brakes are the same up front(off the top of my head they are... but im drunk) then you'd be MUCH better off with acrua legend brakes. 2 piston and more surface area than the NSX calpiers(which also fit, but legends seem to be the best)

pdiggitydogg 02-28-2004 11:18 AM

There used to be an nsx caliper write-up on h-t
...I wonder if I can find it...
Not that I'd do it...I'm a lot more likely to do integra calipers (even though Id have to change spindles)

HondaGUY2005 02-28-2004 11:35 AM

So yur saying we can put prelude calipers on our civics? damn...along with some teg rear discs they must stop on a dime :)

thanks for the info!

ChrisCantSkate 02-28-2004 11:55 AM

guys... i dont wana burst your bubble but preludes brakes suck. get the ledends, 2 piston over a one piston pos

ebpda9 02-28-2004 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
guys... i dont wana burst your bubble but preludes brakes suck. get the ledends, 2 piston over a one piston pos


amen to that. aren't the master cylinders faulty on the ludes tho ? i know the ones for the accord suck

ChrisCantSkate 02-28-2004 02:17 PM

ive been through 2 master cylenders

nonovurbizniz 02-28-2004 03:08 PM

I wouldn't be swapping the master from the lude...

The 97+ w/vtec calipers are supposed to be much larger than any other lude brake... they are identical to type R calipers...

They should be good enough...

As far as the legend/nsx calipers... I was reading that over on h-t that the lude guys were upgrading to the legend/nsx calipers... I will check those calipers as well if I can get my hands on one... then maybe I'll do that... the biggest thing for me is NO 16" wheels... which I'd imagine would be needed with the legend calipers...

Chris... off handedly do you know if a early 90's legend has the same front 2 piston calipers you're talking about?

I think I'll check the one we have at work this coming week... if they're there I'll pull them off and see if they bolt up as well...

nonovurbizniz 02-28-2004 05:43 PM

Hey chris...

This thread here on h-t says that the type-R caliper actually has more clamping force then the legend/nsx calipers...

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=293540

I don't know I have to do some research of my own.

cashizslick 02-28-2004 07:24 PM

Re: 97+ Prelude VTEC calipers on a 93 ex.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
So I heard that the calipers would bolt up to teg front hubs... I tried it on my stock civic hubs... and they fit...

They will need some spacing or grinding and I'm not sure if they'll fit under my 15" konigs... if I need 16's it's out... but if they fit under my existing wheels I'll have it done within a couple of months...




Integra = Civic

pdiggitydogg 02-28-2004 07:32 PM

rotors are the same, calipers are larger on integras

cashizslick 02-28-2004 09:04 PM

the calipers are transferable though arnt they?

pdiggitydogg 02-28-2004 09:24 PM

I know on EK you need to use integra or civic si spindles (si spindles really doesnt make sense to me because si and ex brakes are the same).
EG I think they go right over though

ChrisCantSkate 02-29-2004 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
Hey chris...

This thread here on h-t says that the type-R caliper actually has more clamping force then the legend/nsx calipers...

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=293540

I don't know I have to do some research of my own.


well... i've never herd of the type-r brake swaps... i dont know the advantage to a large single piston caliper over a 2 piston with almost the same surface area.

nonovurbizniz 02-29-2004 11:50 PM

the type R front calipers are the same as the prelude front calipers... the rears (type R) are the same as an accord wagon of a certain year... not sure exactly...

And if you check out that thread the dual piston calipers... both nsx and legend have a MUCH smaller surface area than the single piston typeR/prelude caliper...

I'm kinda with you though... I'd like to see tests.

ChrisCantSkate 03-01-2004 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
And if you check out that thread the dual piston calipers... both nsx and legend have a MUCH smaller surface area than the single piston typeR/prelude caliper...



read the whole thread... he had math errors and didnt know the correct piston size

nonovurbizniz 03-03-2004 06:15 PM

even with the correction the piston area was larger on the single piston over the larger legend dual piston...

Legend = 1 38 1 42
19*19*3.14 = 1133.54
21*21*3.14 = 1384.74
Total = 2518.28
NSX = 1 36 1 40
18*18*3.14 = 1017.36
20*20*3.14 = 1256
Total = 2273.36
typeR/prelude = 1 57
28.5*28.5*3.14 = 2550.465

Making the typeR/prelude 32.185 sq. mm. larger than the larger legend dual piston caliper...

I'm still doubtful though... the only advantage to a dual piston floating caliper over a single piston floating caliper that I know of is less pad taper... but that's hardly a concern... I'm thinking maybe the legend/nsx calipers clear wheels better maybe... but I don't know..

I've been out sick from work this week... so I haven't had a chance to drill the rotor or take a look at the legend calipers we have there... but once I'm back I will.


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