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delsolvtec 08-28-2002 12:42 PM

ouch
 
I got killed (my car too)

I went to run this punk in a 5.0 wearing a bandana revving his motor next to me at a stoplight. I revved to sound off the blow off valve and we gunned it from the stoplight. Well the headgasket went and the piston rings fried, a ton of white smoke and some mustang tail lights later my car is screwed. I can still drive it but not too well.

So now I'm waiting for the total seal rings and greddy head gasket to settle in hoping to see that 5 point slow at a light again in the near future.

Addict 08-28-2002 12:49 PM

That doesn't sound like fun. But at least you getting some upgraded equip.

What setup are you running?

delsolvtec 08-28-2002 12:52 PM

Here's a list of engine mods..

D16 SOHC Vtec Motor
Greddy Turbo Kit
Greddy FCU
Greddy Turbo Timer
Apexi Twin chamber BOV
Aem Fuel rail
BBK Fuel pump
Venom injectors
B&M fuel flow modifier
timing fiddled with for better bottom end (until the turbo spools)
2.5" exhaust from cat back with a catco race cat
2" downpipe

Now it has a Greddy 2mm head gasket, total seal rings, arp head studs and a VAFC (vafc is going in this weekend)

SVT Cobra 08-28-2002 12:53 PM

how much hp does ur car have?
a stock 5.0 has 225 and 285 torque...
i dunno how much extra power u r gonna get with the turbo and you don't know if his car is stock. i raced a del sol w/ turbo when i had my 95 gt 5.0 and gave him a head start and killed him.

Racing Rice 08-28-2002 12:54 PM

Have you run it for times yet? If so what kinda times are you running?

delsolvtec 08-28-2002 12:55 PM

I burned a cobra about a week before this incident. It wasn't one of the newer Cobras but I still spanked him. The car was pushing 205hp last time it was dynoed. Now that I've strengthened things up a bit the boost will be doubled. I'm hoping for around 240-250hp once everything seats and is tuned.

delsolvtec 08-28-2002 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Racing Rice
Have you run it for times yet? If so what kinda times are you running?

Haven't ran it in the 1/4 yet. I was going to take it to the track last weekend but had these motor problems. As soon as the rings seat I will run it and post times.

SVT Cobra 08-28-2002 01:03 PM

93 cobra is almost as fast as a 96-98 stock. 93s should do 14.0's.
240 hp. looks to be the same as you. and it will definitly have more torque.

Addict 08-28-2002 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by delsolvtec
Here's a list of engine mods..

D16 SOHC Vtec Motor
Greddy Turbo Kit
Greddy FCU
Greddy Turbo Timer
Apexi Twin chamber BOV
Aem Fuel rail
BBK Fuel pump
Venom injectors
B&M fuel flow modifier
timing fiddled with for better bottom end (until the turbo spools)
2.5" exhaust from cat back with a catco race cat
2" downpipe

Now it has a Greddy 2mm head gasket, total seal rings, arp head studs and a VAFC (vafc is going in this weekend)

Not bad. Gotta watch those 5.0's though. It doesn't take much to make them quick.

delsolvtec 08-28-2002 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SVT Cobra
93 cobra is almost as fast as a 96-98 stock. 93s should do 14.0's.
240 hp. looks to be the same as you. and it will definitly have more torque.


Yes, it will have more torque. But think about the torque/hp to weight ratio. You are talking a two seater del sol vs. a big ass mustang. 240hp in a del sol is like having 400hp in a mustang that is weighing in about 1000-1300lbs more then a del sol.

gixer 08-28-2002 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SVT Cobra
how much hp does ur car have?
a stock 5.0 has 225 and 285 torque...
i dunno how much extra power u r gonna get with the turbo and you don't know if his car is stock. i raced a del sol w/ turbo when i had my 95 gt 5.0 and gave him a head start and killed him.


doesn't earlier model 5.0's have less hp and torque?...

SVT Cobra 08-28-2002 06:40 PM

nope. 87-93 GTs had 225 hp and 285 tq.
the 1st year 93 cobra is rated at 235-240 hp, though it really has 260 and 225 to the wheels. in 94 and 95 the 5.0's were rated at 215, but they do have the same 225 as the fox body 5.0s (190 range to the rear wheels).

btw, 93 cobras arent very heavy. i doubt your car weighs 1000 lbs less. 93s weigh around 3300 lbs.

ebpda9 08-28-2002 06:49 PM

the civics are around 2300-2600lbs

SVT Cobra 08-28-2002 06:54 PM

they really are that light?
i thought around 2800 lbs. i may be wrong.
mustangs are what i know.

so a mustang with 340 like mine (330hp) could lose to a civic wit 240hp? i have 4.10 gears though. can you beat corvettes and M3's? i can.

im not bein an asshole, just tyin to learn sorta.

ebpda9 08-28-2002 07:04 PM

yeah they are very light. here is the comparison. to do it i had to use another car so i used mine. disregard the accord


http://carpoint.msn.com/compare/choo...1=1316&pt=dual

EDIT: forgot to put the link :crazy:

TonitrusEN 08-28-2002 08:50 PM

I know a 95 HB weighs in at 2300 :)

SVT Cobra 08-28-2002 11:32 PM

oh. the civics and accords are the heavier ones huh.
still startin from stractch though.... 98 lb/ft of torque.... i have more than triple that stock.

ebpda9 08-28-2002 11:38 PM

that's a bit low, but put a turbo on it weith 7 psi and he might get to 140. the car is light and i droive stock ones. they seem pretty quick

ebpda9 08-28-2002 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SVT Cobra
oh. the civics and accords are the heavier ones huh.
still startin from stractch though.... 98 lb/ft of torque.... i have more than triple that stock.


no civics aren't much heavier. the accords are the heavy ass ones.

delsolvtec 08-29-2002 01:42 AM

I drive a del sol, tiny little two seater with nothing to it. The car is gutted. Bumpers supports are gone, A/C is gone, power steering setup is gone, lighter wheels, lighter seats, all interior insulation is gone. I figure I shaved about 150-200 lbs easy off the stock weight of the car.

And yes I have smoked one M3 and a coupla vettes... I smoked an M3 before I even put a turbo on my car.

blie 08-29-2002 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by delsolvtec
I drive a del sol, tiny little two seater with nothing to it. The car is gutted. Bumpers supports are gone, A/C is gone, power steering setup is gone, lighter wheels, lighter seats, all interior insulation is gone. I figure I shaved about 150-200 lbs easy off the stock weight of the car.

And yes I have smoked one M3 and a coupla vettes... I smoked an M3 before I even put a turbo on my car.

what hp and tourqe rating is your car pushing ?

delsolvtec 08-29-2002 02:19 AM

Like I said last dyno was pushing 205hp, don't remember the torque rating, I'll look for the dyno slip in a few. With the new setup and boost turned up I'm hoping for 240-250hp, and that is pretty damn good for a Single cam motor. I was going to swap in a DOHC engine, but decided I wanted a SOHC DOHC eater. I want to be a bit different.

blie 08-29-2002 02:22 AM

ok don't take me wrong im not trying to start a flame war or anything,i could see the m3 but what kinda vette's do you take out ?

delsolvtec 08-29-2002 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by blie
ok don't take me wrong im not trying to start a flame war or anything,i could see the m3 but what kinda vette's do you take out ?

They were older style vettes, like late 80's early 90's. I actually took two of them. Both Automatics though (might have had something to do with me getting a good jump on em)

blie 08-29-2002 02:25 AM

ohh ok, thats totaly believable, sorry for all the questions it's just that 90% of people tell BS stories now adays

blie 08-29-2002 02:26 AM

hey where in chicago do you live, i use to live there just moved to detroit a few months ago.

delsolvtec 08-29-2002 02:35 AM

I live in West Chicago, about 30 minutes from downtown. Right near Naperville and Wheaton.

I know what you mean about the BS, I may BS around sometimes but not when it comes to my car. Now to get my MKII jetta up to speed with my del sol.

blie 08-29-2002 02:36 AM

you hang around on archer or 32nd and ashland ?

delsolvtec 08-29-2002 04:09 AM

nah, I only go downtown for clubs. I usually hang out in the suburbs.

blie 08-29-2002 04:19 AM

i ment for races ..
huge race scene around those area's

delsolvtec 08-29-2002 04:30 AM

There is a huge race scene in the suburbs too. On a weekend an average of 75-100 cars show up...

ebpda9 08-29-2002 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by blie
ohh ok, thats totaly believable, sorry for all the questions it's just that 90% of people tell BS stories now adays


weren't the 4th gen vettes topping out at 150 hp for some years ? i remebered that i read that in C&D.

and where in downtown chicago are the races. everytime i went to chicago the traffic was backed big time. i remeber i got stuck in downtown for a few hours once

blie 08-29-2002 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hondaman-iac



weren't the 4th gen vettes topping out at 150 hp for some years ? i remebered that i read that in C&D.

and where in downtown chicago are the races. everytime i went to chicago the traffic was backed big time. i remeber i got stuck in downtown for a few hours once

everywhere but downtown

Addict 08-29-2002 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by delsolvtec
There is a huge race scene in the suburbs too. On a weekend an average of 75-100 cars show up...
Damn. Wish Ohio had 'scene'.

Racing Rice 08-29-2002 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Civic_Addict

Damn. Wish Ohio had 'scene'.


Whatcha mean? Ohio does.. Its just not a good "scene". ;)

delsolvtec 08-30-2002 11:40 AM

Well, pulling motor apart again. Decided to throw in some low compression pistons from Arias. I figured I might as well beef things up before cranking boost even higher. Also some crower rods...

Addict 08-30-2002 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by delsolvtec
Well, pulling motor apart again. Decided to throw in some low compression pistons from Arias. I figured I might as well beef things up before cranking boost even higher. Also some crower rods...
Geez man. Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

delsolvtec 08-30-2002 08:39 PM

Well considering my throttle body gasket and intake manifold gasket were special order items I won't be able to finish this job until early next week. I guess the parts will be here Tuesday.

I got my ARP studs and 2mm Greddy head gasket today though.

monkut 09-02-2002 06:51 PM

ive posted this before, and ill post it again. everyone says accords are sooo heavy. and they're right if they're talking about the newest ones. but my 94 (94-97) weighs 2,800 pounds. ive had it less than that with the spare and seats out. i know because ive weighed it at a truck weigh station near my house.
when nearly all new cars are over 3000 pounds, i wouldnt call the accord rreeally heavy.

monkut 09-02-2002 06:53 PM

and one more thing. svt cobra: thank you so much for not being an ass. we get way too many guys (read muscle heads) in here that have not hing better to do than bash our cars, and then refuse to listen or believe what we say about them.
seriously....thank you

delsolvtec 09-02-2002 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by monkut
and one more thing. svt cobra: thank you so much for not being an ass. we get way too many guys (read muscle heads) in here that have not hing better to do than bash our cars, and then refuse to listen or believe what we say about them.
seriously....thank you


I couldn't agree more. It's nice to see a muscle car enthusiast that actually listens to what we have to say instead of bragging about displacement and torque...

ebpda9 09-02-2002 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by monkut
ive posted this before, and ill post it again. everyone says accords are sooo heavy. and they're right if they're talking about the newest ones. but my 94 (94-97) weighs 2,800 pounds. ive had it less than that with the spare and seats out. i know because ive weighed it at a truck weigh station near my house.
when nearly all new cars are over 3000 pounds, i wouldnt call the accord rreeally heavy.


yeah the weight is about right. the preludes are a bit heavier ~100-150lbs

delsolvtec 09-04-2002 01:07 PM

Well yesterday marked the end of my engine rebuild. I decided to tear it apart again to throw in Arias forged low compression pistons. I can't believe it fired right up as soon as I was done putting it back together. Blew a little smoke at first but I figured it was just leaked down oil on the cylinder walls from pulling and installing pistons. Now the break in process.

If you remember I put total seal rings and a thicker head gasket a few weeks ago, then pulled it apart again. Hopefully this time it's bulletproof. Intercooler should be here Friday and VAFC should arrive today. :D

ebpda9 09-04-2002 01:16 PM

so those total seal rings are good ? i was thinking about using them with arias higher compression pistons and a copper head gasket

delsolvtec 09-05-2002 03:13 PM

The total seal rings are awesome. I installed the Xtreme gapless rings. They are file to fit so make sure you know what you are doing. The arias pistons were a great fit. I went low comp because of the turbo. If you want to up your compression try getting the head machined down. Then run a high performance head gasket to make sure everything stands up. I can't wait to figure out what the compression is on my car. Low comp pistons, 2mm headgasket etc...

juvenile 09-13-2002 12:46 PM

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articl...3-97delsol.htm
By read this, his base hp should be 125 no 95.
Doesn't that car have a B16? The same as a Civic Si? (now I'm still new to this whole engine code thing so I'm learning)

Addict 09-13-2002 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juvenile
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articl...3-97delsol.htm
By read this, his base hp should be 125 no 95.
Doesn't that car have a B16? The same as a Civic Si? (now I'm still new to this whole engine code thing so I'm learning)

Kinda wierd how Honda did this one.
The del Sol Si is the SOHC VTEC engine (D Series) - 125hp
The del Sol VTEC is the DOHC engine (B16A) - 160hp

monkut 09-14-2002 04:30 AM

but, i didn't think the 160hp del sol was ever offered in the states. i thought it was offered in Europe and Japan as the del sol si-r. i thought i had this all figured out....oh well.

Addict 09-14-2002 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by monkut
but, i didn't think the 160hp del sol was ever offered in the states. i thought it was offered in Europe and Japan as the del sol si-r. i thought i had this all figured out....oh well.
It was offered in 1994 as the del Sol VTEC.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1994/hon...tml?id=lin0066
;)

ChrisCantSkate 09-14-2002 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Civic_Addict

Kinda wierd how Honda did this one.
The del Sol Si is the SOHC VTEC engine (D Series) - 125hp
The del Sol VTEC is the DOHC engine (B16A) - 160hp

same thing they did with the preldue
s-single cam
si-dohc non-vtec(h23)
vtec-dohc vtec(h22)

sounds like a nice setup you got there, hoestly you can build the sohc and make it faster than the dohc, but if you started with the dohc, you'd be even faster... like a b18b in that would be MEAN!


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