Boo Hoo - Nobody Likes The 'new' Civic - Here's The Reason Why !!!
 

The reasons that nobody likes the 'new' CiViC are:[list=1][*] It really isn't a CiViC at all. It's a totally new car built on the "Global Compact Platform." GM tried this sh!t a few years ago with their "A-body" "C-body" "X-body" and so forth, it killed their sales and almost killed their company.
[*]The 'new' CiViC is a porker. It isn't even considered a sub-compact any more. This is so Honda could build 'trucks' on the CiViC chassis.
[*] It signaled a shift away from performance by Honda, back to utility.[/list=1]

Here's some other cars built on the 'new' CiViC chassis:



Stream: The new Stream 7-passenger minivan is developed based on the same "Global Compact Platform" used in Civic models. It is powered by the new 2.0-liter DOHC i-VTEC engine or the 1.7-liter SOHC VTEC engine.

Step WGN: With a full-model change in April 2001 in Japan, the 8-seater Step WGN minivan features a powerful but economical new-generation i-series 2.0-liter DOHC i-VTEC engine.

Model X: The Model X concept vehicle is developed and designed by Honda R&D Americas operation. It was unveiled at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit in January 2001. The Model X is powered by Honda's new i-VTEC, 4-cylinder engine.

True, the Acura RSX is built of the 'new' CiViC chassis, but so was the 'Teg that it replaced.

The REAL shocker for most ppl --- the thing that puts it all in perspective --- is the fact that they are building mini-vans and even step-side vans on the same chassis.



"The Stream is the second model to employ Honda's all-new 'Global Compact Platform' and is the first to be powered by its new high efficiency i-VTEC engine."

hehehehehee

Yeah I coulnt agree with you any more. I love Honda but the 7th gen is a big disappointment. I am still convinced that the 92-95 hatches are the best looking civics to date. But lets try to look on the bright side the RSX looks like it will have a ton of potential.

Let's hope so.

:cool:

The 02 or 03 CRV is also based on the 7th gen civic chassis.....

The new CRV also comes with a new 2.4 liter i-vtec DOHC engine.

Do you know what that means? 7th gen civic hybrids with 160hp, and 162 ft-lbs of torque....that will SCREAM! Screw the UGLY new Si...just buy a 7th gen, wait a couple years, swap a 2.4 in there and you will be kickin ass.

I like the new 7th gen. We just have to work with what we get. Or switch to something like nissan.......

i read that the new civic is being designed, its gonna be sportier and better overall:)

i have a new civic and i love it, i thinks it like most new cars, everyone hates them at first then they grow on them.....For example the new Ford Mustang when the new body style came out not may people like then now look thats all you see on the road, another example would be the new model Dodge Ram....Just wait you'll end up loving them..........

Check out this link for more 2k1's with some rims and mods www.2k1civic.com

You see there is a big following already just not by the old tymers....

Yea, don't worry. People will come around when the 7th gen is proven to have potential.

When the 7th gen first came out, I thought they looked terrible. But recently I have seen some that were modded and they actually looked good. I think they have some potential but I wouldn't trade my 6 gen for anything, beside a 5 gen turbo'd civic.

anyone know how much do 7th gen weigh? i think they are heavy.

My girlfriend has a 2001 EX. I love the car. Handling is much improved over previous, and it is much roomier. Everything is laid out inside nice, and it drives great.

As far as Honda making mini-vans off of the chassis, have you ever heard of the Odessey? That was based off of the Accord chassis. I never heard any complaints about that. Personally, I like the new Civic, and even the new Si.

Oh and would you please quit typeing CiViC, that is really annoying.

I pulled this right off of honda.com

Curb Weight (lbs., MT/AT) dx-2405/2452 hx-2434/2504 lx-2465/2496 ex-2553/2590

See...the weight isn't even bad!

7th gen civic.... :thumbup:

it's not as ugly as the focus.........

i bet it would look better if it was slammed with some nice rims and some Turbo forcing some air into the intake. hehehe

NOT !!!
 

Sure, Big Flames, whatever you say... :rolleyes:

Huh??? That's 500 lb. more than a Gen 5 hatch.

Re: NOT !!!
 

Big Flames! OMG! LOL! HAHAHAHHA! Whatever. Even with your cute little name calling, ThAt WrItInG iS sTiLl AnNoYiNg.

Damn.... the Rock says shut your mouth and know your role.... LOL!! :D I agree with you on this for the most part.

Ok I've said this before and I'll say it again. The new civic hatch will grow on people. People are like mindless zombie's They will like what their told to like. The new civic is pretty cool looking. I'm buying one. In fact I'm saving right now. I think as soon as people get used to the changes they will be alright. The type R looks good. have faith in honda people. Have they let us down yet?????;) ::no::

I still like it.

me too

i think any civic fan or honda fan for that matter will like it. It's a cool car....it'll be nice to beat chev's in something a little different ;)

Is your only reason for not liking the new civic simply because Honda plans on putting different models on the same chassis? Not very valid if you ask me.

Howdy!

Welcome to the boards!

hey darkcivic welkome to honda style...nice ride man

Thanks! I'm usually @ 2k1civic.com. You guys should check it out.
I'm going to try to link a funny story you all should read but I don't know if it's gonna work. So click below (maybe)

Duh! Hello! You need to practice your reading comprehension. I also said they are [#2] overweight and [#3] have moved away from being a performance / youth orientated car to a utility vehicle.

Face it! The 'new' CiViC was designed for white, middle-aged, female, suburbanite yuppies. If you are confused about Honda's agenda, that's your problem. Have fun driving around in your girlie-girl sh!tbox and don't be so sensitive.

YOu mean single white females in their 20s :)


Where the **** have you been.
I was wonderig if you were alive?

Heh!!!There is no doubt that the 'new' CiViC was taylor-made for white, middle-aged, female, suburbanite yuppies. I will be glad to give you 3 more pages of 'cut-n-paste' documentation, if you would like . :eek:

The only concession I will make to you, Mr. D., is that married, middle-aged, white, female yuppies prefer the sedan, while 20-something, single, white, female yuppies like the coupe.

IMO, any guy that buys one of these 'girlie' cars has serious personal issues that need to be addressed.

I Have one on order man, I take offense to that!!
They have more power, more looks, and the flat floor sold me.


When I said 20s I was referring to Hondas demographics prior to the vehicles release. I have a quote for you

OT: I used that Endurance stuff today. Boy, is that sh!t weird!!!

It felt like I was brushing dish soap on my tires, except it smelled like grape bubblegum. I let it 'dry' for like two hours before I finally gave up and wiped it off with a dish towel.

I took my ride for a little cruise and an hour later that crap was still oozing out of the lettering and side tread.

Hahahahaha! Remind me never to take your advice again... :mad:

What, black folks can't drive a Civic? :confused:

Girlie Girl Shitbox. Man, you are just full of them aren't you. Why do you feel the need to completly diss the hell out of someones car? Does it make you feel better?

Personally, I like the new Civic. The coupe that is. I am not very fond of the styling of the sedan. However, I feel the coupe has a nice sporty look to it, and is actually a better car then the previous generations. The suspension makes for a better ride and allows much more room in the interior. Hell, I can fit in the back seat of a Honda Coupe comfartably finally.

Also, the fact that you say that a Civic used to be a performance oriented car is pretty much laughable. The Civic, with the exception of the Si and CTR, are far from performance oriented. Honda never said, "hmmm, kids are going to slap AEM's on these and be fast!". The purpose of the Civic has always been to be an economical compact family car, nothing more.

Of course, you can argue by countering about the Si, and the Type R. Well, since we do not get a CTR here, that is null and void. As far as the Si goes, Honda is doing what it always does. When it changes gens, it removes the Si for a year or two and brings it back. This is called smart marketing on Hondas part.

Face it, Honda is about marketing and selling lots of cars. It will sell FAR more cars by marketing them as economy cars then it will as sports coupes.

Oh, and personally, I find your treatment of other members appaling as a moderator. As for your comment about needing serious issues addressed, maybe you should take your own advice.

One last thing, do you drive an EX or Si? If it is an EX, then your car is nothing but a girlie girl shitbox also. Of course, that is using your own logic, not mine.

Oh Shit. You have an HX! Damn! Now that is a truly girlie girl shitbox! (Once again using your logic)

I don't think that there is any thing wrong with the new civic. I have one and I love it. I like it better than the older civics, I love the 00 si's but I just happen to like the new civic. At first I didn't like them, but then I went to work for Honda and there was a 2001 civic (which is mine now) sitting on the show room floor in front of my desk and it grew on me. Now I won't have anything else. I'm selling my civic to get a 01 blue civic. Here is a pic of one, the pic is on my boyfriends site, http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/...073&uid=169657

You see my tires?
Well I told you to get the regular not the high gloss!!!
Those tires look like butter, the regular stuff is the best!! I have tried everything else. I'll even send you my bottle to prove to you!!

That is how they are supposed to look not like this:

BTW when are you dumping those firestones!!!

Well, I have to agree. Endurance regular shine is excellent stuff. If you do not cake it on, and make sure you wipe off the excess, it works great!

I used to use it all of the time. I now use No Touch Tire Shine. It is in a purple and black aerosol can. Works great.

I see why you are getting bent out of shape here, but you are using your emotions vs using your logic, and eyes.
He just posted quoted demographics of who that car appeals to.
The civic itself is not a true performance car, but when compared to other cars in its class and up, up to 30k you'll see that the 5th and 6th generation civic are more than capable of outperforming many performance cars, namely due to its suspension design. By no means is it a fast car, nor is the Civic Si, but capable of being.

I have been to the track autox cars double the price have a hard time keeping up, why? I must be a good driver right? No.

The new Civic is not capable of this the way the prior were, it is a multi-platform vehicle plain and simple, with little or no abilty for any further modification to suspension or motor.

Also, you must know someone before pointing the finger, BDC's knowledge far surpasses 90% of the people found on these boards, he has had "EXPERIENCE" which is one of the most important things, and is a true asset.

The black person thing was meant as a joke. He did post quoted demographics of who the car appeals to, however he added his own little comments and assumptions.

I am not letting emotion get in the way of logic. I am far from it actually.

What I really do not care for is his blatant insults to anyone who drives this car. It is unbecoming of a moderator. If he does not like the car, so be it. I caould care less. However, his tact needs some work.

You bring up his experience and say he is more knowledgable than 90% of the people. Fine, that is your opinion, I hope however that you are not questioning my experience or knowledge, as I have a plethora of both.

I tried his logic. By his logic, his own car is a girlie girl shitbox. That is not my opinion, but his own logic at work. The Civic was never meant to be a performance vehicle. I understand that they made a higher performance model, and the such, however, that is not the true roots of the Civic.

Many point to the suspension as being a drawback to the new Civic. I thought this would be true at first. However, I no longer feel that way. My girlfriend has a 2001 EX, and my roommate has a 99 EX. I honestly feel her car handles better than his. I find that I can make turns faster in her car then I could in his.

Bottom line is this, I can see his problems with the Civic and I can respect them. However, I can not respect someone who questions the manhood of another member simply becuase they like the new Civic. Behavior as such is unacceptable.

When I mention the suspension, it is a known and tested fact that at the limit handling suffers from the new setup, on first test sure it feels sturdy and solid., that is what they wanted, and they have succeeded, in it, but you are proving the point no one cares about double wishbone nor the other performance aspects of the older vehicle, proving that consumers namely the average 30 year old female just wants space, and comfort, and "Oh it feels good" You can get this in the new protege, or focus, and they actually do it better than the new civic.

You can't mod the new Civics suspension like the previous gen, without great difficulty.

You cannot swap out the motor, or beef it up any. (N/A, F/I)
It is just another Compact car, and has deviated from what made the the previous Civic what it was. It no longer stands out. That is the point.

As far as BDCs tactics, I can see it made you respond whether in anger or whatever it made you thing, that is the point.

I do not need such tactics to think. I do that just fine on my own without the insults. If he wants to make people think, and take him a little more seriously, he would try it without the insults. They simply make one question and think about his credibility.

You are correct, Honda found that they did not need the double wishbone suspension to have something that would sell. The majority of the car buyers wanted a roomier car. They have given the people that. Honda is doing what it takes to remain in business. Car enthusiasts will not keep Honda in business, the 30 year old women who are buying the car for the family will.

Also, five to 10 years ago, you could not buy performance parts for any Honda. However, give it some time, and you will see turbos and the such for the car. It will come.

Well the new Civic has suffered in car sales, compared to the 2000 model year, so I guess it is not all about what you speak of.
On a weboard, you need to raise questions and piss people off.
He may talk down to some people, but in a way he wants the truth, you dont honestly believe the new Civic is better yet you seem to want to take that position just to try to prove your point.

That is the point conflict causes understanding.

There is no winning just understanding.
And anyone who hangs here that has a 7th gen Civic and bought it to mod it will soon find out they got the wrong car, and that is a fact. The whole point of it all. Yes the 7th gen is more refined, but a less technical marval that the previous, and you can try to defend your position but in this regard that is where there is no debate, and if you dont belive that then you have some things to learn about the Civic.

What I am defending is the fact that the car is not the girlie girl shitbox that some seem to think it is.

The Civic has always been marketed towards the same demographic. If you feel otherwise, the you have something to learn about the Civic. After a few years of the new generation, Honda will again throw the younger generation a bone and introduce a sportier version, hence the Si. However, this does not replace the fact that the Honda Civic has always been, and always will be an economy car.

You can say that people who bought a 7th gen for the purpose of modifying it bought the wrong car, however, many will say the same about your choice of Civic. Most of those people will be turbo import, or domestic owners. You see, it all boil down to a matter of opinion. Your hate for the new Civic is based on an opinion, and I repsect that. However, you seem to fail to have any respect for anyone elses opinion that differs.

Also, talking down to people and raising conflict , imo, are not what this webboard is for. Conflict does not cause understanding, logic, debate, and RESPECT cause understanding.

You don't seem to get it, Big Flames! The CiViC, as we have known it, doesn't exist any longer. The 'new' CiViC isn't a CiViC at all. It's a compact car built on a 'truck' chassis. You should be scolding Honda, not me...Please note that Honda Corp. refers to the 'new' CiViC as the "all-new Civic." Perhaps we should be doing the same. The 'old CiViC' died and was buried in 2000.I am offering this to you as an insight, Big Flames. Many ppl are wondering why Honda Corp. killed the 'Lude. This is the answer. It also explains why they killed the CiViC. Also note the comment about its "substantially larger size."Yes, you read that right. The CiViC and CR-V will now share the same chassis also. Don't believe it?Is it starting to sink in yet, Big Flames??

"The new CR-V is based on Honda's Global Compact Platform, the same one used for the Civic and RSX..."

"Building the quietest compact SUV available was one of the key design goals..."

"It's worth noting that the new front and rear suspensions, as applied to the Civic and RSX, have received mild criticism for not providing as high of a degree of wheel control as the double wishbones did. Given the CR-V's less sporty nature, however, the changes should be virtually undetectable..."

Am I making my point, or do you need more proof??? The CiViC, as we have known it, is dead and buried, and it isn't coming back. If you and the 'soccer moms' like it, fine. It's your choice. But, I'll be damned if you or anyone else is going to put a sock in my mouth concerning this bullsh!t. I'm spreadin' the word, bro!

Lead, follow, or get out of the way ...

That said, I'll tell you the same thing I tell my other detractors. If you don't like what I have to say, put me on your 'ignore list'. If you don't know how to do this, I'll be happy to walk you through the process.

Obviously it is not sinking into your head. The Civic has never been the performance car. It has always been geared towards the same crowd it is now.

True, it is the "All new Civic" however it was the all new Civic in 92 and it was the all new Civic in 97. Every generation is touted as the all new Civic. Honda is simply taking the direction they were going with the Civic and continuing it. The Honda Civic has always been geared towards the Soccer Mom, and has always been an economy car. They will throw the perfromance folka a bone in a year ad bring the Si over.

Who cares if Honda is going to design other vehicles off of the chassis. They have done it before, and will continue to do it. That is smart marketing and smart design for them.

Every point you have tried to make is nothing new. I have known about this, as have you.

I am not trying to put a sock in your mouth as far as your feelings on the vhicle. However, like stated before, I do not approve of your ridicule of others for disagreeing with you. You are acting like a child. I don't know, maybe you still are a child. Even so, your behavior is uncalled for.

Oh and the cute name calling. I am touched.

The people you say that will beg to differ are the very people that I can out perform on the track. Faster does not mean better, if that is what you are referring to when you say "Turbo, Domestic"

Is that is your debate, that the new Civic is better or just as good performance wise, as the previous gen? Clear this up. Seems athough you dont like the opinions here? Keep in mind opinions are generalzations, these are opinions have much fact to back them up.

All the #s dont show that the new civic is a better car unless you like the "it feels better" test.

The new SI you speak of I'll let BDC defend that, since this is his post and he has all the ammo on that Truck you mention.

The 92 and the 96 Civic have a different body, but still share the same suspension, motor and trans mounting points etc.
The new Civic was deliberately made into a multiplatform chassis, for economical reasons and it HAS hurt their sales. not smart!
Same reason GM has been hurting on some of their vehicles

The way I look at it is, that if you don't like it don't drive it. I understand that everyone has an opinion and that it has a right to be voiced. But I have a 2001 EX and I love the car, when I worked at honda we sold plenty of the new civics. If you want to know the truth, it was the prelude we had a problem selling. And I haven't ran into one problem finding parts to mod my car with. Did you happen to go to Nopi Nationals? If you did, then you would have seen all the 2001 Civics, and from the looks of it the owners of the civics didn't a bit of trouble finding parts for theirs either. Just like everyone is saying opinions are opinions, and my opinion is that if everyone else can state their opinion and expect their opinions to be respected then James and I both can. And as far as the name calling, please grow up and act your age.

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