Dude...you have no idea what YOU'RE talkin about...just...sit down....you're through...
Yes, I think the reason why relationships are soo fucked up today is mostly because of men. Women don't just go around fucking up peoples feelings for nothing at all...except...if it were a guy who had hurt them first.
I honestly believe that if women were treated right more often in this day in age...we wouldn't have to be acting like you guys. Men are the root of hurt feelings in relationships...and because of this...women are in the trend of hurting others' feelings as well. I don't disown my feelings either...

And if you give your heart to someone and they break it, yes, it is their fault....because if you really loved/liked them...their heart shouldn't have been broken in the first damn place...

what does treated right mean? because as of now basically every guy i know will pay for everything in a relationship, do whatever his girlfriend wants and never gets to do what he wants. you ladies are not queens. everyone has to comprimise for anything to be fair, not get pissed and sleep with his friend when she dosnt get her way one time.

and for messing with peoples feelings... women are the worst at that by far. mixed signals, never saying what they mean, assuming guys pick up on small insignificant stuff and gather a whole deep meaning out of it, those things may not make a guy cry, but shit... try figuring out what someone means when nothing at all is ever given to you clearly. at least guys are strait forward. i would much MUCH rather have everything strait forward than the mind games

i dunno, but ihad to put up with a lot of crap from the girls and i don't think i ever played with their feelings at all. just because i am more contained to myself, doesn't mean that they have to walk all over me like it happened with the past 3 women i have been with. All the riddles and games that have been played with me got to me enough to say fuck it and go back to my cars.

Yea, I don't even care anymore...end of subject for me.
I think I am the type to be more aware/cautious about relationships now...I know that I am not the type to be severely influenced into being harsh to guys after previous relationships...or put up the old wall...which I am very glad.

^hrm. The old wall.. For me its the new wall. from this point on the walls gonna be up, i've never felt more betrayed in my life. For all the new ladies i meet they're going to get the wall. I'll keep it small for now, but if shit gets fcked up, i'll have no emotional attachment and really won't give a damn. Except for the ladies who know me personally here, and a select other few, it's time for the wall, time to start caring about myself, what i want, and i'll leave the rest up to the ladies.

:bs: ...yes Koolaid, you get the flag...talk to me about women not going around fucking up people's feelings and then you might know what you are talking about.........

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Of course you think men are the reason that shit's so messed up...because you date men. I, however, date women (or attempt to anyway) so I see the complete opposite. Women do just as much fucked up shit as guys and anyone who doesn't see that is just fucking socially blind. A ton of women ARE treated right...and still fuck guys over. Take my brother, for example. He dated a girl for 2 years and they got married. I know for a fact he did everything he could to make her happy...even at the expense of missing out on some family oriented things. How did she repay his good deeds? Cheating on him and leaving him after 9 months. Women will hurt just as many feelings as many so please don't try and get anyone to swallow that shit. And they don't do it because men have screwed them over..they do it because they're human. The same reason a good number of guys do it. Don't for a fucking second think that just because women lack a penis that they're any different from men. We're all born with the same instincts and defense mechanisms. Some of us just choose to use them differently and be responsible for our own actions. And yes, if you blame your relationship-motivated emotional problems on men you have, in fact, disowned your feelings as your own. Then they belong to this guy or that guy. The actions someone undertakes to "break your heart" are their own, but the ensueing broken heart is your issue. You have a choice to feel that way or to not. They have no say in such matters. You can't pawn the entirety of relationship problems off on men because men are only half the equation. That's weak minded diatribe from someone who can't take responsibility for their own thoughts or their place in societal roles.

blame it on men, blame it on women doesn't matter anyway, the society nowadays is fucked up big time

Please don't tell me it is men's fault... you KNOW everything that my ex has done to me, and just because you haven't experienced being screwed over by a girl doesn't mean it doesn't happen, and vice versa w/ me and guys... it happens both ways, you can't stereotype a gender based on personal interaction with said gender, it simply doesn't work... (not attacking, just being rational)

^Truth be told!!

Rob your major issue with this argument is the fact you think cheating is because of 'bad sex' I have news for you. Bad sex isnt what drive women away from their men. Women are emotionally driven, and often, yes often not always leave their bf/husband because their emotional needs arent being met. Not always is this the mans fault because sometimes teh woman can communicate. But bad sex stems from a bad relationship.

Your 'sex test' is a flawed one my friend, and only goes to show you dont understand how a relationship between and male and female works. A good woman will only open up physically when she feels emotionally safe to do so, where as a man can just be ready from day one. The woman who sleeps with you after quickly getting to know you might pass your 'sex test' but will fail any relationship test you throw at her. I use your last 18 woman to prove this point.

As for your sex drive being high, a woman in a good solid, emotionally strong relationship wont be able to keep her hands of you. Sexuality and emotions are very closely linked with females.

Well I have had sex with 2 married girls (I know, not good but that's another story) and in both cases the reason why they had sex with me was not because they were being emotionally deprived but because both females had husbands with little dicks (came from their mouths) and they were not getting satisfied. I "hurt" both girl sexually the first couple of times that we had sex because they weren't use to girth. I am not by any means saying that I am big, thick, or otherwise but every single girl that I have been with has said that I am bigger than the average they were used to. By the way, both females are still with their husbands.....they were just filling a sexual drive that was not being taken care of by their mates....

Anyway, enough of that....now I hear what you are saying and I very highly agree that better sex comes from having a strong emotional connection in a relationship.....no argument from me on that....

Now, on your comment about me not knowing how a relationship between how a male and a female works I will disagree with you on my friend....I know very well how it works...I also know how flawed "we" are as a society and there really is no strong bond left in relationships these days. I know what my idea of a strong, loving, monogamous relationship should be and trust me, I have tried to be a loving husband, father, and friend and all that got me was screwed over. Not because of anything that I did...I just picked the wrong women to be with.

Now, in regards to the last 18 women I have been with...Rob, to be perfectly honest with you....they have all just been something to fulfill my sexual needs and that is it. At the time of my divorce, I was 23 and had only been with 3 females.....one of those my wife. I was never openly sexual with every women I met. The two girls prior to my wife were long-term girlfriends that I ended up eventually have sex with. Now, after I got divorced, I got bitter and decided that all I wanted was numbers. Have sex with as many girls as possible and have no emotional connection what-so-ever. I did that for about a year and tallied up 12 bringing me to a grand total of 15. The last three consisted of an attempted relationship and two one-night-stands.

Finally....while things were good with me and my wife and we had that "bond".....she still couldn't keep up with my ass....she would constantly be sore and have to take breaks to "heal"....

Rob her getting sore is because women arent built like we are, and finding one like what you want is next to impossible.

Well technically, but then the rational of "I dont know this person who lives 1000's of miles away from me" kicks in. . . .

yeah....I know...that's what sucks......

dude I think you have to be more content just to enjoy spending time with a girl and not worried about how many times she can screw yuo in an evening. Sex doesnt make a relationship last.

^ It might not make it last but it's definately a big part of a relationship, not really the sex but the intimacy.


Dude, you don't get sore?

I honestly dont, there was one all nighter a while back and I was a little tender the next morning, where as my gf at the time couldnt walk.

^ Yeah, I've disabled many of gals... WOOT! It's so funny when they stand up to go to the bathroom and just fall right back down from exhaustion... heheh.

Poor poracito.......:rolleyes:

As if I could be that lucky..........:no:

Times like this I reaaly miss my ex........:yes:

It takes a while to build to that level of intimacy and sexual activity. The new fling doesn't really do it for me so i doubt she'll ever really see the beast within, as for the last g/f, GOD i loved giving it to her, i'd break that every which way one could imagine.

Like I said before, you're preaching to the choir.......my ex and I had it like that. Yeah, it was great BUT sex was all we had in common (long story) so obviously it didn't work out but I do believe that it is a VERY important part of any relationship. Without it you might as well be roommates.....:|

exactly.

I agree its very important, however there has to be alot of other things between the two of you otherwise when you realize its just sex you're outta there.