View Full Version : Tell me your 1/8 miles times.
Promo2000
11-04-2002, 01:53 PM
I have a Civic Ex '93 with these:
Dc Sports 4-2-1
2 1/4 pipping with Hooker maximun Flow exhaust.
Upgraded ECU
Short Shifter
Dunlop 205-50/R16 Tires
16" Wheels
Bypass Trick
Matrix Intake
My currently BEST time is 12.60s.
I think thats preatty bad for my car.. I want to know what are the times that ppl are doing here..
Thanks!
ShagginJet
11-04-2002, 02:12 PM
wow, that's ****ed, that means that your 1/4 mile time is like 25.80, and that's a really shitty time. I think my 1980' datsun b210 ran like a 22.50 or something... i could smoke your civic, lmfao.
Honda530
11-04-2002, 02:20 PM
ouch yeah hats not good. It doesnt mean your 1.4 is gonna be twice that though. My fastest et in my car was 16.93 and my 1/8 was between 10 and 11 at like 64 mph. So your looking at 18-19s:(
Promo2000
11-04-2002, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by ShagginJet
I think my 1980' datsun b210 ran like a 22.50 or something... i could smoke your civic, lmfao.
lol
What could be wrong with my civic?
4jacks
11-04-2002, 10:16 PM
assuming that your acceleration is Constant, which more than likely will not be exactly constant,
Your 1/4 mile time would be 17.81 Seconds
Not 25.8 seconds
To get 25.8 seconds you would have to run 1/8 miles, stop the car and run a second 1/8 mile
Addict
11-04-2002, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by Promo2000
I have a Civic Ex '93 with these:
Dc Sports 4-2-1
2 1/4 pipping with Hooker maximun Flow exhaust.
Upgraded ECU
Short Shifter
Dunlop 205-50/R16 Tires
16" Wheels
Bypass Trick
Matrix Intake
My currently BEST time is 12.60s.
I think thats preatty bad for my car.. I want to know what are the times that ppl are doing here..
Thanks!
Jesus man. No offense but some driving lessons are in order. What exactly is your "upgraded ECU'? Lose the matrix intake and get an AEM Cold Air. WHat short shifter do you have? And what's a 'bypass trick'?
No tryin to be harsh.....
I'm by no means a great driver either....
Promo2000
11-05-2002, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by Civic_Addict
1) No offense but some driving lessons are in order.
2)What exactly is your "upgraded ECU'?
3)Lose the matrix intake and get an AEM Cold Air.
4)WHat short shifter do you have?
5)And what's a 'bypass trick'?
1) No taken, I think I need some lessons..
2)I dont have a redline anymore, and my Vtec connects earlier.
3)Would that help? I think thats like 1 - 2 Hp gain, am I wrong?
4)Generic
5)To bypass the cooler through the throttle body that way that piece will not get to warm.. Its a trick thats around the Internet.
Recomendations?
Promo2000
11-05-2002, 06:43 AM
Here's a pic of my Engine.
Take a look here, mine is the Blue
http://www.gtstreetracing.c.net.gt//nightscene/20102002night/Dsc03552.jpg
Addict
11-05-2002, 07:11 AM
Originally posted by Promo2000
1) No taken, I think I need some lessons..
2)I dont have a redline anymore, and my Vtec connects earlier.
3)Would that help? I think thats like 1 - 2 Hp gain, am I wrong?
4)Generic
5)To bypass the cooler through the throttle body that way that piece will not get to warm.. Its a trick thats around the Internet.
Recomendations?
The reason I said this is that I had a 98 EX Auto that ran 16.0 with intake, exhaust & plug wires. Of course that car ran like no other.....
Is your clutch in good condition? No slipping?
The AEM will pull colder air. It won't be feeding off your engine's hot air supply. I would suggest nitrous. But my thought is that if you can't hit at least 10.5 in the 1/8 with what you have, then you need more practice. Do you have any additional weight?
How many times have you ran? Post up your 60ft times.
ChrisCantSkate
11-05-2002, 09:45 AM
10.5's? i think thats a little high. when i ran 15.0's i was running 9.9's
Addict
11-05-2002, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
10.5's? i think thats a little high. when i ran 15.0's i was running 9.9's
Well he has an EX. 16's are good for him.
Unless I missed where he said he swapped an H22 in there.;)
ChrisCantSkate
11-05-2002, 10:03 AM
lol... i ment low
Promo2000
11-05-2002, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by Civic_Addict
1) Is your clutch in good condition? No slipping?
2) Do you have any additional weight?
1)Whats slipping?
2)Additional weight? When I run I run with all stuff inside: Seats, 5th tire, sometimes with :bow: GirlFriend .
3)Putting some cables AND an AEM Fuel Rail would help?
Of course classes would help! lol The wierd thing is that when I ran with 2 different Civic LX 1600cc No Vtec they won... ;(
Jrscb16A2
11-05-2002, 08:19 PM
my 1/8 mile best is a 9.05.....quarter mile best is a 13.7
ChrisCantSkate
11-05-2002, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by Promo2000
2)Additional weight? When I run I run with all stuff inside: Seats, 5th tire, sometimes with :bow: GirlFriend .
the GF could be hurting your times upto .1-.2 seconds
Senshi
11-05-2002, 08:39 PM
alright, take the seats out, the gf out (no offense but she weights at least 100lbs, guessing), drop the spare fix a flat will do, if you got subs, take them out before racing, and lastly if you don't know already, learn where your grip point is
and slipping is when you change gears and you let off the clutch, but it takes a while to go to the next gear, it will like hang in the previous gear before it goes into the one you told it to go into
and it may stray from the questoin, but i suggest lowering a bit
Promo2000
11-05-2002, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
the GF could be hurting your times upto .1-.2 seconds
Then I'll let her outside w8ing with the booze... lol
My best time With out GF is 12.60
Promo2000
11-05-2002, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by Senshi
1)drop the spare fix a flat will do,
2)if you got subs, take them out before racing
3) and lastly if you don't know already, learn where your grip point is
WTF are those things! Need a teacher ASAP!
Senshi
11-05-2002, 09:07 PM
ok take the spare out, its below in your trunk, fix a flat is hardcore, it just goes in your tire and fixes it
subs make bass, if you have them take them out
the grip point is were you start to move when you take the clutch out
damn you really do need classes
Promo2000
11-05-2002, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Senshi
ok take the spare out, its below in your trunk, fix a flat is hardcore, it just goes in your tire and fixes it
subs make bass, if you have them take them out
the grip point is were you start to move when you take the clutch out
damn you really do need classes
ooooo I got it...
I dont have subs and I'll have the spare out but the spare is like a 3 pounds but something is something.
The grip point I know it very well...
How do u guys see my engine?
Honda530
11-05-2002, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Civic_Addict
The reason I said this is that I had a 98 EX Auto that ran 16.0 with intake, exhaust & plug wires. Of course that car ran like no other.....
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Dude how and the hell did you get a auto civic ex with intake and exhaust to run a 16.0. the 5spds cant even do that?????
Senshi
11-05-2002, 09:33 PM
*cough*NOS*cough*
Jrscb16A2
11-05-2002, 09:51 PM
when you ran the 16 what was your trap speed and your 60 foot time?
Addict
11-05-2002, 11:24 PM
You run with your girl in the car!?!? Ok now. Take her out of the car, remove the spare & subs if you have them. And work on your launch. I'd say 4000-4500RPM. Somewhere in there you'll find your sweet spot.
Originally posted by Jrscb16A2
my 1/8 mile best is a 9.05.....quarter mile best is a 13.7
Judging by the name, I'd just guess that's boosted. ;)
Originally posted by Honda530
Dude how and the hell did you get a auto civic ex with intake and exhaust to run a 16.0. the 5spds cant even do that?????
I'm sure 5 speeds could do that. Its not that far fetched.
Originally posted by Senshi
*cough*NOS*cough*
Nope. That was without the juice. I ran slower, 16.1, with the juice. Mostly because I decided to flip the switch at the line.:rolleyes: Lack of traction tends to make you have a slower time.
Originally posted by Jrscb16A2
when you ran the 16 what was your trap speed and your 60 foot time?
I don't recall. Its been about 2 years or so. I'm thinking it was about 84 on the trap. And I can't really give you a good guess on the 60ft.
Sad thing is that for some reason I can't seem to beat a 16 with my Si. The again I've only been once and only been driving stick for a year. I finally got my 17's (heffer ass rims) off so I'll be going this Thurs provided they are open.... I hate winter.
Jrscb16A2
11-05-2002, 11:54 PM
yes deff. boosted...I fixed up a sig...
Honda530
11-06-2002, 06:20 PM
Jeeze Im sorry I just dont see how a civic ex could do that with just intake and exhaust. The 97 Ex 5spd will run high 16s and the auto runs 17s. Is it still teh same engine the d16 whatever. Its just ahrd to believe. Is it a hatchback or a coupe?? man I must be doing something wrong because my accord with .6 more liters in teh engine and cai, exhaust only managed a 16.93. oh well.
Promo2000
11-06-2002, 07:00 PM
I think something thats is NOT helping are my 16"Rims, I will change for a 14" Rims.
Would It help?
Jrscb16A2
11-06-2002, 10:23 PM
it all depends....smaller wheels does not always = better time people like to think that but the truth is say you have 16 inchs wheels and 50 series tires and the wheel weighs 20 lbs each....you would actually get better times with a 17 inch wheel that weighed 13 lbs each with 40 series tires, its all about the weight of the wheel.....if you go down to a 14 inch wheel with 65 series tires and they are the same weight as your 16 inch with (I assume 50 series tires) your going to get around the same time unless the 14's weigh many many lbs less.
ShagginJet
11-06-2002, 10:36 PM
the GF could be hurting your times upto .1-.2 seconds
Depends if she's hot, and what she weights.
My 15's only weight 10lbs each, with the 205/50's on them, they are still super light. Plus i get max traction on 205/50's.
The reason I said this is that I had a 98 EX Auto that ran 16.0 with intake, exhaust & plug wires. Of course that car ran like no other.....
It doesn't matter if you run an automatic or not. My car some how knows when i want to drive quick. It'll hold my in first till i let up, then i have control over 2nd and 3rd so i can do the rest.
Addict
11-07-2002, 05:37 AM
Originally posted by Honda530
Jeeze Im sorry I just dont see how a civic ex could do that with just intake and exhaust. The 97 Ex 5spd will run high 16s and the auto runs 17s. Is it still teh same engine the d16 whatever. Its just ahrd to believe. Is it a hatchback or a coupe?? man I must be doing something wrong because my accord with .6 more liters in teh engine and cai, exhaust only managed a 16.93. oh well.
Its very possible. Autos don't run 17's. High 16's...
It was a coupe. Same engine. AEM CAI, GReddy SP exhuast, ACCEL plug wires, Eibach Sportline Springs, & ZEX Nitrous. Stock 14" steelies.
http://www.siscom.net/~jdoles/98ex.html
Accords generally are slower. I don't know what model you have, but they tend to weigh more too.
ChrisCantSkate
11-07-2002, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by Jrscb16A2
it all depends....smaller wheels does not always = better time people like to think that but the truth is say you have 16 inchs wheels and 50 series tires and the wheel weighs 20 lbs each....you would actually get better times with a 17 inch wheel that weighed 13 lbs each with 40 series tires, its all about the weight of the wheel.....if you go down to a 14 inch wheel with 65 series tires and they are the same weight as your 16 inch with (I assume 50 series tires) your going to get around the same time unless the 14's weigh many many lbs less.
your forgeting rotatinal mass. larger rims move the most weight of the wheel outwards making it require more tq to spin them. my 16;b 17's are hurrting me more than my old 19lb 15's were... too bad i sold them
Addict
11-07-2002, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
your forgeting rotatinal mass. larger rims move the most weight of the wheel outwards making it require more tq to spin them. my 16;b 17's are hurrting me more than my old 19lb 15's were... too bad i sold them
Yep. I'm thinking of selling my MR7s. I just swapped to my 15" stock rims. There's a 10lb difference (per wheel) between the 2. 30lb for stockers with rubber, 40lb for MR7s with rubber.
ChrisCantSkate
11-07-2002, 08:04 AM
damn, those are heavy... i wonder what mine are with tires
94_AcCoRd_EX
11-07-2002, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
your forgeting rotatinal mass. larger rims move the most weight of the wheel outwards making it require more tq to spin them. my 16;b 17's are hurrting me more than my old 19lb 15's were... too bad i sold them
Exactly, I was just going to say that. Its all about how far the mass is located from the center. Its a torque thing ;)
Honda530
11-07-2002, 02:57 PM
How much does a 98 civic Ex weigh??
I know my 96 accord dx weighs less than 3000.
I just dont think a auto civic vs a auto accord will win depending on year. If its from 91-97 the accord will win if its a 98 and above and 4 clyinder the civic should win. The 5th gens are notas heavy as most people think.
Addict
11-07-2002, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by Honda530
man I must be doing something wrong because my accord with .6 more liters in teh engine and cai, exhaust only managed a 16.93.
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How much does a 98 civic Ex weigh??
I know my 96 accord dx weighs less than 3000.
I just dont think a auto civic vs a auto accord will win depending on year. If its from 91-97 the accord will win if its a 98 and above and 4 clyinder the civic should win. The 5th gens are notas heavy as most people think.
This post wasn't about whether or not an Accord will beat a Civic. Not real sure why your going at that angle.
Was your 16.93 run with or without your subs?
1998 Civic EX Coupe
Horsepower: 127 hp
Max Horsepower: 6600 rpm
Torque: 107 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 5500 rpm
Weight: 2504 lbs.
1996 Accord DX Sedan
Horsepower: 130 hp
Max Horsepower: 5300 rpm
Torque: 139 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4200 rpm
Weight: 2855 lbs.
Based on the specs, its not hard to see how a Civic could beat an Accord.
1998 Accord Sedan DX
Horsepower: 135 hp
Max Horsepower: 5400 rpm
Torque: 145 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4700 rpm
Weight: 2888 lbs.
Its 33lbs heavier than the 96 Accord, but makes more power. I don't see how you can say its slower.
Promo2000
11-07-2002, 05:13 PM
Ok, I weighted both rims with rubber.
185/60/R14 = 32 pounds
205/50/R16 = 37 pounds
5 pounds would make a difference?
Whtehnda93DXSdn
11-08-2002, 11:25 AM
93 Sedan 1.5 SOHC ran 16.4 @ 84.77 in the 1/4 and I think it's about 10.5 or so in the 1/8 but not sure cause I haven;t run a 1/8 alone as of yet..:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Promo2000
11-08-2002, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by Whtehnda93DXSdn
93 Sedan 1.5 SOHC ran 16.4 @ 84.77 in the 1/4 and I think it's about 10.5 or so in the 1/8 but not sure cause I haven;t run a 1/8 alone as of yet..:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
I definately dont know whats happening...
Honda530
11-08-2002, 12:55 PM
oh well thats just with my experiance. Different people different experiances.
Jrscb16A2
11-08-2002, 05:50 PM
um...you are forgetting a 16 inch wheel with a 50 series tire is the same diameter as a 17 inch wheel with a 40 series tire....therefor the lighter of the two is going to be better for the car...I didnt forget rotating mass....and futhermore when it come to a 1 lb difference in weight on the wheels there is really not a big effect on quarter mile times...try it put some 16/50 wheel/tire combo on your car and run then put 17/40 wheel/tire combo on your car and run again...if they weigh the same you time should be no more then .05 different (assuming you have two runs that are very simular)...then try that again with the stock flywheel and say a 9lb flywheel...and you should be getting .1 better at least no matter what wheel/tire combo
SilVtec
11-10-2002, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by ShagginJet
wow, that's ****ed, that means that your 1/4 mile time is like 25.80, and that's a really shitty time. I think my 1980' datsun b210 ran like a 22.50 or something... i could smoke your civic, lmfao.
Nah, he wouldn't run in the 20's. The 1/8 mile time might be bad enough for that car, but you have to add in that they have to sart running, which in a civic takes time. Also, past and 1/8 of a mile, your still accelerating faster and faster, and of course you don't have to start again, so that car would prolly run about 18's in a 1/4 mile.
Promo2000
11-10-2002, 04:53 PM
I got better time!!! 1/8 mile:
12.17 and finished at EXACT 60 miles.
Hw is it now?
Addict
11-10-2002, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by Promo2000
I got better time!!! 1/8 mile:
12.17 and finished at EXACT 60 miles.
Hw is it now?
Better. But you should be lower..
What RPM do you shift at?
Promo2000
11-10-2002, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Civic_Addict
Better. But you should be lower..
What RPM do you shift at?
@7000 Rpm
ShagginJet
11-11-2002, 12:55 AM
@7000 Rpm
OMG!!
andy_reynold28
11-11-2002, 11:18 AM
Auto's and manualls should run very similar times. because every time you shift in a manual you have to let up on the power for longer than in a auto. and autos only have four gears, so its less shiftin up (time lost). The only part autos loss is on the launch.
Addict
11-11-2002, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Promo2000
@7000 Rpm
That said, what the purpose of your new ECU? You ought to look into getting your car tuned. Prefereably on a dyno. Unless you are a horrible driver, somethings not right.
94_AcCoRd_EX
11-11-2002, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Jrscb16A2
um...you are forgetting a 16 inch wheel with a 50 series tire is the same diameter as a 17 inch wheel with a 40 series tire....therefor the lighter of the two is going to be better for the car...I didnt forget rotating mass....
Not true. A large portion of the mass of the wheel is located on the outer edge. This being said, a larger diameter wheel combo that weighs the same as a smaller combo will perform worse. The difference might not be huge, but its there.
ShagginJet
11-11-2002, 12:38 PM
and autos only have four gears
That's wierd, i have 5.
andy_reynold28
11-11-2002, 03:08 PM
mines only got 4. mines a EG tho, 1.5. probley a different gearbox. But i don't no why everyone thinks Autos are slower. my dads got a 1.6 Nissan sunny (dont laugh) and that has a compression of 200 on all cylanders and its bout 15 years old. manuals always lose out on the change up.
Honda530
11-11-2002, 03:12 PM
Well a 5spd is going to be about half a second faster or more depending on the driver and such
Example
Me 96 4 door accord auto I/E 16.93
friend 94 4 door accord 5spd I/H/E 16.4(his first time at track)
They get us at the launch and beacause they can move the gears quicker While we sit in 3rd gear for most of the track they can get to fourth.
Addict
11-11-2002, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Honda530
While we sit in 3rd gear for most of the track they can get to fourth.
But that's not neccessarily going to gain you anything. I actually just top out 3rd by the end. It all depends on the gearing.
ShagginJet
11-11-2002, 05:30 PM
So how bad is it to redline the car?
Promo2000
11-11-2002, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by Civic_Addict
That said, what the purpose of your new ECU? You ought to look into getting your car tuned. Prefereably on a dyno.
Whats a Dyno?
Addict
11-11-2002, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Promo2000
Whats a Dyno?
Hmmm...
A dyno or dynomometer is used to calculate the HP at the wheels.
http://www.mustangdyne.com/ChassisDyno/chassisdynos.htm
Promo2000
11-16-2002, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by ShagginJet
So how bad is it to redline the car?
Is it bad? I think the redline is the top RPM you can safetly change of gear, but to pass of the redline, thats bad!
Am i wrong?
cashizslick
11-17-2002, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by 4jacks
assuming that your acceleration is Constant, which more than likely will not be exactly constant,
Your 1/4 mile time would be 17.81 Seconds
Not 25.8 seconds
To get 25.8 seconds you would have to run 1/8 miles, stop the car and run a second 1/8 mile
Stock Ex's run a Low 17, i think you should get your car checked out, i know for a fact mine runs faster than that.
Almighty-Si
11-18-2002, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by Civic_Addict
But that's not neccessarily going to gain you anything. I actually just top out 3rd by the end. It all depends on the gearing.
Really? That's weird cause even when I was stock I had to shift my car into 4th by the end of the 1/4mile. I didn't think that I had to my first run and bounced off the rev limiter 2 times before I crossed the line netting me a whopping 16.1 1/4 mile time.
My second run I didn't even think about staying in 3rd again and I netted a 15.9 with a bad 2.5 60ft.
The third run was a 15.7 with a 2.43 60ft
My last run was a 15.58 with a 2.31 60ft at just a little over 90mph
This was with my Si completely stock with 1,600 miles on the clock. I mean there are alot of other factors when it comes to running at the track like track condition, weather, elevation and such but I just find it odd how much it varies.
pauls-si
11-19-2002, 08:45 PM
My best run this season was 10.689 with a r/t of .549.....that was when it was bone stock.:)
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