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V8killimports

10-17-2002, 09:30 PM

ok I will sum it up for you.. first off I am a first year officer, so if you are enlisting I would first say go to college, then get commissioned, or enlist for 2-4 years, have them pay for college, then get commissioned. Anyways I get $2100 a month base salary, and that is the only part not taxable. I get $150 flight pay a month, $650 for housing, $150 for BAS. So after taxes every month I take home about $2500 take home after taxes. Right now I am TDY which pays me an additional $1200 a month (for 4 months while I am here). Food is good cause I buy whatever I want... not that chow hall crap.. as for quality of life it's pretty good.. Ops tempo is high right now.. but you tend to get lots of days off here and there... On average I have a 4 day week.. And when I am a captain with say 10 years I will make about $4500base a month, with about $800 a month in flight pay, and $700-$1000 a month in housing...

VR4_Craver

10-17-2002, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by V8killimports
I am in the air force.. I would go air force if I were you.. you really want to be on a boat for 1/2 your life??

True. But would you wanna spend your days watching your life "fly" by? I am thinking about going into the marines or navy and get trained as an Underwater Welder. Hella money:yes: :yes: But the easiest way to decide i would think is choose the branch that lets you do what you love doing so you dont regret joining. Good luck on the decision.

Rob

10-17-2002, 10:12 PM

I'm in the Air Force too and I would have to say if you're gonna go into any branch, it should be Air Force. Here's a breakdown:

Army - Get treated like shit, substandard living conditions, get demoted as fast as you get promoted, and when it comes down to it, you're a grunt and usually can't find a job that will transfer over to the civilian world.

Navy - Your on a boat for 6 months at a time living with a bunch of guys. If you're on a sub, they have a limited amount of living space. Could be that you lay down to sleep in a cot or bunk that some guy just got out of. Probably still warm from his nuts. Fun! Plus, would you really want to be know as a Seamen (read semen)

Marine - Uhh yeah, turn psycho from basic training, get a bunch of tattoos about dogs and Semper Fi, be the first one out in the field, again substandard living conditions.

Air Force - Live in college-like dorms with a bunch of females (yes, they're co-ed), if you're an Airman and you will be at first if you're enlisted, you'll eat in the chow hall which does suck sometimes but it ain't that bad for free. Getting training for a job that you can actually use if/when you get out and while you're in, it's just like having a regular job.

If you want some more advise or if you have any more questions, PM me and I'll do what I can to help you out.

Rob

10-17-2002, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by V8killimports
I am in the air force..
Hey V8, where are you stationed?? And if you can say, where are you TDY??

Rob

10-17-2002, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by tightteg52
Did you get a say in where your stationed pay etc etc.
Forgot to answer this, at first - no...later on, kinda..PM or e-mail me and we can talk....

tightteg52

10-17-2002, 10:17 PM

Hmm a air force recruiter is sending me some info but what about being stationed is it just random or do you get a say in it?

Rob

10-17-2002, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by tightteg52
Hmm a air force recruiter is sending me some info but what about being stationed is it just random or do you get a say in it?
At first, they'll have you fill out what's called a "dream sheet" where you list the bases that you want to go to but when it comes down to it, they're gonna send you where they need you. So, yeah it random. But if you're looking to go into electronics (I'm in electronics), you're gonna go to Texas for 'basic training' and then you'll go to Biloxi, MS for school to learn your job. After that, it's just whatever. However, after you're in for a while you can try to either swap orders with someone else, try to apply for a slot at a base that's open, or apply for a remote to Korea (which is where I am right now). Once you come to Korea, you get to pick where you're going next (for the most part)

About the recruiter, dude...after you're done talking to him, talk to me. Some of them are dicks and tell you whatever you wanna hear just to get you to join.

tightteg52

10-17-2002, 10:27 PM

If you got aim hit me up on there im online right now and my sn is in my sig.

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
At first, they'll have you fill out what's called a "dream sheet" where you list the bases that you want to go to but when it comes down to it, they're gonna send you where they need you. So, yeah it random. But if you're looking to go into electronics (I'm in electronics), you're gonna go to Texas for 'basic training' and then you'll go to Biloxi, MS for school to learn your job. After that, it's just whatever. However, after you're in for a while you can try to either swap orders with someone else, try to apply for a slot at a base that's open, or apply for a remote to Korea (which is where I am right now). Once you come to Korea, you get to pick where you're going next (for the most part)

About the recruiter, dude...after you're done talking to him, talk to me. Some of them are dicks and tell you whatever you wanna hear just to get you to join.

Rob

10-17-2002, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by tightteg52
If you got aim hit me up on there im online right now and my sn is in my sig.
Unfortunately I'm at work right now (yes, on a military computer - surfing the net ;) ) so I don't have AIM but I do have e-mail so you can hit me up here:

bobbylee@accordclub.net

tightteg52

10-17-2002, 10:36 PM

Well im kinda anti e-mail but i'll shoot ya one later! thanks for the help

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
Unfortunately I'm at work right now (yes, on a military computer - surfing the net ;) ) so I don't have AIM but I do have e-mail so you can hit me up here:

bobbylee@accordclub.net

Rob

10-17-2002, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by tightteg52
Well im kinda anti e-mail but i'll shoot ya one later! thanks for the help
No problem.... Just let me know if there's anything else you wanna know...

AzCivic

10-18-2002, 09:55 PM

I'm in the Air Force as well, a weather forecaster, and I have to agree with the above statements about the other Branches. The Air Force is more laid back, in the Army/Marines the next rank up can make you do whatever, if someone right above me told me something stupid I'd just tell them to shut the hell up. If you or anyone decides on the AF do not i repeat DO NOT go into weather!!!! I hate my job, not so much the actual job but all the pricks I have to work with, all the assholes in the AF are all bunched up in the weather career field, and they don't give a **** about you or your family. Oh, I'm currently working 12hr shifts(since January) for 4-5 days a week, sometimes more. And you want to know why? Because some **** wants to look good and get promoted so they're accelerating all the shit we're supposed to take over by a year. Oh and security forces probably sucks as well. My advice is to get your degree first then come in as an officer, this stupid enlisted shit is a waste.

mt.biker

10-18-2002, 10:17 PM

my advice, dont join the military!

V8killimports

10-18-2002, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by mt.biker
my advice, dont join the military!

He means the canadian military.. and yes they have one.. I think they have like 3 boats..lol..

Rob

10-18-2002, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by V8killimports
He means the canadian military.. and yes they have one.. I think they have like 3 boats..lol..
:D :D :D :crazy:

VR4_Craver

10-19-2002, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by AccordinStyle

Marine - Uhh yeah, turn psycho from basic training, get a bunch of tattoos about dogs and Semper Fi, be the first one out in the field, again substandard living conditions.

I know quite a few guys that just got out of the Marine boot camp and came back from the crucible and they said its great. You are only pointing out bad things in those branches. On applications if you see that you were are marine (once a marine always a marine right) they will know that you are disciplined, follow instructions to the T, and dont ***** about crap jobs. I am not saying that that is not true about air force but im just saying... People like to here about marines not pilots. I feel that pilots are some times the unsung heroes of things its just that the marines are the one that usually report loses because at any time marines are deployed in over 53 countires world wide that all.

VR4_Craver

10-19-2002, 10:19 PM

One job i know you shouldnt take unless you have hella balls : Mine detection and removal...LOL :o (you on one wrong move)

Rob

10-19-2002, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by VR4_Craver
I know quite a few guys that just got out of the Marine boot camp and came back from the crucible and they said its great. You are only pointing out bad things in those branches. On applications if you see that you were are marine (once a marine always a marine right) they will know that you are disciplined, follow instructions to the T, and dont ***** about crap jobs. I am not saying that that is not true about air force but im just saying... People like to here about marines not pilots. I feel that pilots are some times the unsung heroes of things its just that the marines are the one that usually report loses because at any time marines are deployed in over 53 countires world wide that all.
o.k., true that I'm only pointing out the bad things about the other branches but it's only because I have either talked to people in the other branches and heard their side of the story or have seen it for myself. My ex father-in-law is a retired Marine and he used to tell me stories about what he went through. He was also a drill instructor and he would tell me about how they would treat the recruits. Oh, and he was such a "Once a Marine, Always a Marine" type of person that when his daughter (my ex-wife) wanted to join the Marines, he told her that she better join the Air Force or he would dis-own her. Doesn't that say something? Oh, and I have been to Paris Island...my ex in-laws lived about 15 min. from the base. I remember during Christmas of '99 we went to go to the PX (store) on base and on the way we passed a bunch of recruits marching in the rain/snow on Christmas day. In the Air Force, we got/get 2 weeks off for Christmas/New Year's. I do have to give the Marines credit though, when shit hits the fan, they are the first ones to fight and usually the first ones to get killed. I guess when it comes down to it, it's all a matter of choice.

Rob

10-19-2002, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by VR4_Craver
One job i know you shouldnt take unless you have hella balls : Mine detection and removal...LOL :o (you on one wrong move)
You mean EOD? yeah, thumbs up...oh wait, no thumbs. Damn it!

AzCivic

10-19-2002, 11:15 PM

Rob

10-19-2002, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by AzCivic
There's more to the Air Force than just pilots.
True dat....

V8killimports

10-19-2002, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by AzCivic
Being a Marine means you dont think you just do what you're told. Not something future employers look for.

I dont think people like hearing more about one or the other.
There's more to the Air Force than just pilots.

This is incorrect... What about the guy in charge of battallions? He better be thinking.

AzCivic

10-19-2002, 11:37 PM

Let me clarify: an Enlisted marine does what he's told after its spelled out carefully to him. Officers of course do the thinking.

V8killimports

10-19-2002, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by AzCivic
Let me clarify: an Enlisted marine does what he's told after its spelled out carefully to him. Officers of course do the thinking.

Well despite what people say, Marines are actually some of the sharpest people I have met.

94_AcCoRd_EX

10-19-2002, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by V8killimports
Well despite what people say, Marines are actually some of the sharpest people I have met.

I agree, my grandfather was a proud marine, and he was definitely sharp. I have a lot of respect for what he did.

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 12:00 AM

My dad is a retired Gunnery Sergeant, he's smart as well. I'm going of my experience with the young ones I've met. I know what i'm ****ing talking about. Of course not everyone in the marines is dumb. But you have to wonder why the minimum ASVAB score to get into the marines is lower than that for the Air Force. OK you walk up to a recruiting center and ask yourself which branch do i want to join? so you think to yourself, no matter which one I'm in I'm going to get paid the same. So should I join the one that I'm more likely to die or one where I'll have to think and use my brain a little more??? Then you take the test and find out you are too stupid to join the Air Force so you join the Army, Marines, or Navy.

Rob

10-20-2002, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by V8killimports
Well despite what people say, Marines are actually some of the sharpest people I have met.
And sometimes, the biggest trouble makers (read assholes)...have you ever been stationed with Marines?

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
And sometimes, the biggest trouble makers (read assholes)...have you ever been stationed with Marines?

No.. I trained with them.. they were cool.. doing pushups while I ate my lunch. They actually do the same job I do (the enlisted guys). But experience is everything.. I am an officer, but I don't know my job for shit yet.. I do lots of dumb shit every day.

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 12:04 AM

I have, they think they're invincible or some shit. I'm 6'4" and about 250lbs, I've had to correct some their attitudes.

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 12:05 AM

Rob

10-20-2002, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by V8killimports
No.. I trained with them.. they were cool.. doing pushups while I ate my lunch. They actually do the same job I do (the enlisted guys). But experience is everything.. I am an officer, but I don't know my job for shit yet.. I do lots of dumb shit every day.
Yeah, I'm not gonna stereotype them but the ones that I've been around (in Tech School and again in Saudi), they were a bunch of pompous (sp?) assholes....greater then thee and invinsible...but I guess you get some of that in any branch.

mt.biker

10-20-2002, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by V8killimports
He means the canadian military.. and yes they have one.. I think they have like 3 boats..lol..

What would you know about our military you ignorate F*CK. Get outta here with your redneck comments.

Now i'm gonna school you, you inbread mother f*cker.

The Canadian military has no need to be as large as the American one. Though the American military comes up to Canada to train with the Canadians, so alot of the tactics you learn in flight school are developed in canadian airspace. It is one of the few countries that a militar aircraft is given a HUGE area to fly around in with little need to contact the tower for promision to cross into another airspace, giving the pilots a great learning evnoirment. Interesting you should say we suck aswell. In the last year the "top gun" program was active the canadian air force flew down and walked all over the americans winning something like 9 out of 11 possible awards.

F*CK YOU IGNORATE AMERICANS! I'm sick of the Canadain bashing, find someone else to pick on you ungreatful assholes!

Rob

10-20-2002, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by mt.biker
F*CK YOU IGNORATE AMERICANS! I'm sick of the Canadain bashing, find someone else to pick on you ungreatful assholes!
Woah Rob! :crazy: Relax, you have to remember this is the internet and yes, people are going to talk shit here but we think no less of Canada then any of our other Allies. Canada just tends to get picked on a little more than others sometimes.....

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 12:38 AM

Like I said I work with Canadians.. a major in fact.. he's cool as shit.. and crossing from the US into Canada is crossind an ADIZ... it's not practice.. we do that shit everyday.. not like its tough..lol

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by mt.biker
In the last year the "top gun" program was active the canadian air force flew down and walked all over the americans winning something like 9 out of 11 possible awards.

F*CK YOU IGNORATE AMERICANS! I'm sick of the Canadain bashing, find someone else to pick on you ungreatful assholes!

lol where do you get this crap? BTW israel owns all for air-air.

mt.biker

10-20-2002, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
Woah Rob! :crazy: Relax, you have to remember this is the internet and yes, people are going to talk shit here but we think no less of Canada then any of our other Allies. Canada just tends to get picked on a little more than others sometimes.....

i've been on a board where the average age is 15-16 and i get more respect from them then I'm getting from you "adults".
What your saying when you bash Canadians is that you dont approve of our culture or who we are. The only conclusion that can be draw is that you dont want us around.

Thank you for being so mature and respectful.

Rob

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 01:02 AM

that's a nice story.. tell it again...

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 01:06 AM

Hahahahaha kilometers per hour hahahahahaha.

Rob

10-20-2002, 01:11 AM

This thread was intended to be informative for someone wanting to join the military so from this point on, if you don't have something informative or constructive to post - then don't...

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 01:15 AM

I gave what info I had.. then I joked about canada.. then we get this:

Originally posted by mt.biker
What would you know about our military you ignorate F*CK. Get outta here with your redneck comments.

Now i'm gonna school you, you inbread mother f*cker.

The Canadian military has no need to be as large as the American one. Though the American military comes up to Canada to train with the Canadians, so alot of the tactics you learn in flight school are developed in canadian airspace. It is one of the few countries that a militar aircraft is given a HUGE area to fly around in with little need to contact the tower for promision to cross into another airspace, giving the pilots a great learning evnoirment. Interesting you should say we suck aswell. In the last year the "top gun" program was active the canadian air force flew down and walked all over the americans winning something like 9 out of 11 possible awards.

F*CK YOU IGNORATE AMERICANS! I'm sick of the Canadain bashing, find someone else to pick on you ungreatful assholes!

mt.biker

10-20-2002, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by V8killimports
I gave what info I had.. then I joked about canada.. then we get this:
Oh grow up, learn when to drop it!

94_AcCoRd_EX

10-20-2002, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
This thread was intended to be informative for someone wanting to join the military so from this point on, if you don't have something informative or constructive to post - then don't...

Just thought I'd quote this again since you guys appeared to have missed it. Any more OT posts in this thread will be deleted.

Rob

10-20-2002, 01:23 AM

I know but the pissing matches have got to stop...it's not fair for someone to be uncomfortable enough around here to make them want to leave. I've been to some of the other messages boards and alot of the posts are people talking shit and are full of garbage. The reason why I decided to make HondaStyle my "home" is because it was different. Now I see this board getting to be like the others and I'm gonna do my best to see that it doesn't go any further. V8, I have nothing against you. If anything we have something in common being that we are both Air Force and if we ever met face-to-face I would be calling you "Sir" being that you outrank me but I'm asking you to please don't be so quick to jump on people's shit just to piss them off. It's not worth the time....yours or there's. Know what I mean?
Originally posted by 94_AcCoRd_EX
Just thought I'd quote this again since you guys appeared to have missed it. Any more OT posts in this thread will be deleted.
One more and it's closed........

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 01:42 AM

I wonder what the Coast Guard is like. Sometimes I wish I would have joined that.

Rob

10-20-2002, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
I wonder what the Coast Guard is like. Sometimes I wish I would have joined that.
I worked with someone that was in the Coast Guard before I came in the military...he worked down in Miami so it was mostly anti-drug-trafficing...he said it was pretty cool...

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 01:50 AM

It would be tight as hell to get stationed in SoCal and being in the coast guard. How often are there storms out there, like never. Do they move around like the other branches or is it once you get to your first place thats where you stay?

Rob

10-20-2002, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
Do they move around like the other branches or is it once you get to your first place thats where you stay?
I think they're more situated to their specific state/area...kinda like the National Guard....

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 01:58 AM

Damn I shoulda went in the coast guard. I wonder if I can crossover from the Air Force.

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 01:59 AM

Az you in the Air Force?

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by V8killimports
Az you in the Air Force?

Yeah I'm stationed in Tucson at Davis-Monthan AFB, I'm a weather forecaster and I hate my job. Not the actual job but I guess its more that I hate where I work/who I work for.
What do you do?

Rob

10-20-2002, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
Damn I shoulda went in the coast guard. I wonder if I can crossover from the Air Force.
You should be able to...only thing is you have to serve a minimum amount of time in your enlistment and then you can apply to go Palace Chase. You can look into it but I think you can apply for it and then if it's approved, you'll go Coast Guard (or any guard as a matter of fact) and be discharged from active duty. Look into it because I'm not 100% sure how it works....

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 02:05 AM

I am a c130 navigator... not like those EC130s.. they don't do crap.. I do 10x the stuff they do.. I wish I was an EC130 nav..

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:09 AM

Tight. At least you have a cool job and make alot of cash. Are you gonna retire from the Air Force? Are you gonna ever get a job with an airline? Where are you stationed?

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 02:12 AM

I am in little rock until I go to north carolina.. I could go into airlines if I go to pilot training.. but flying is kicking my ass right now.. so pilot training will wait another year or so.. at least.. I will make it a career.. You weather guys crack me up though.. When I mission plan I ask you guys what winds we have.. a lot of times the weather guys here are kinda lazy and just tell me stuff like "northerly winds".. lol It actually makes my mission planning easier.

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:18 AM

I wish I worked in one of the small weather stations. But I work in a damn Hub where everyone is anal and on the look out to **** you over. In the last year there have been about 5-7 people that have been kicked out of the military. I've had a stripe taken away cause someone didnt get the answer they wanted and thought I was trying to cover up something.

If you ever fly over to the western states we'll be doing the briefing for your trip back.

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
You should be able to...only thing is you have to serve a minimum amount of time in your enlistment and then you can apply to go Palace Chase. You can look into it but I think you can apply for it and then if it's approved, you'll go Coast Guard (or any guard as a matter of fact) and be discharged from active duty. Look into it because I'm not 100% sure how it works....

Yeah the key is getting approved, I dont think my chance of that is too good since I'm in a critically manned career field.

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
I wish I worked in one of the small weather stations. But I work in a damn Hub where everyone is anal and on the look out to **** you over. In the last year there have been about 5-7 people that have been kicked out of the military. I've had a stripe taken away cause someone didnt get the answer they wanted and thought I was trying to cover up something.

If you ever fly over to the western states we'll be doing the briefing for your trip back.

Really?? That sucks.. Yea they are pretty laid back even though AETC has a big representation here.. we do get decent weather briefings for tac missions though..

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:25 AM

Yeah I hate this place with every ounce of my being.

Isn't the ICAO for where your at KLIT?

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
Yeah I hate this place with every ounce of my being.

Isn't the ICAO for where your at KLIT?

For little rock I think.. LRAFB is KLRF though

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:29 AM

Oh yeah thats right. Arkansas huh? Hows that place?

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 02:30 AM

Yea it sucks... armpit of the sound.. state can't decide whether it wants to be hot or cold.. I prefer cold... especially for tac missions.. heat sucks in the 130.

Rob

10-20-2002, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
Yeah the key is getting approved, I dont think my chance of that is too good since I'm in a critically manned career field.
ooohhh, yeah. If you're in a critically manned career field, you're pretty much screwed. How much longer do you have in your enlistment??

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
ooohhh, yeah. If you're in a critically manned career field, you're pretty much screwed. How much longer do you have in your enlistment??

Just under 3 years. Once thats done I'm going to finish getting my degree and either come back in as an officer in a medical career field(pharmacy) or see whats available on the outside. I feel like I've wasted the last 3 years of my life, since I haven't been able to get any college done.

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by V8killimports
Yea it sucks... armpit of the sound.. state can't decide whether it wants to be hot or cold.. I prefer cold... especially for tac missions.. heat sucks in the 130.

So what do you do when you're not flying?

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
ooohhh, yeah. If you're in a critically manned career field, you're pretty much screwed. How much longer do you have in your enlistment??

Whats your job and where are you stationed?

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
So what do you do when you're not flying?

They fly me all the time almost.. right now when I am not flying I have ground training.. That is at least a break from flying. I got night flights next week.. NVGs gimme a headache. Other than that mission planning.. making charts.. but not much else..

Rob

10-20-2002, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
Just under 3 years. Once thats done I'm going to finish getting my degree and either come back in as an officer in a medical career field(pharmacy) or see whats available on the outside. I feel like I've wasted the last 3 years of my life, since I haven't been able to get any college done.
So, you're a 6-year enlistee too, huh? Welcome to getting screwed over. Well, good luck with whatever you decide to do. I have a little less than a year and a half left in my enlistment and with all of this AEF shit going on, I don't think I'll be re-enlisting.....I don't really know what I'm gonna do yet. Guess I'll see how things go over the next year....

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by V8killimports
They fly me all the time almost.. right now when I am not flying I have ground training.. That is at least a break from flying. I got night flights next week.. NVGs gimme a headache. Other than that mission planning.. making charts.. but not much else..

Oh, I always wondered. Do the pilots do the same? I used to want to try and be a pilot so I could eventually work in an airline but all that flying kinda turned me off to the idea. Plus I dont have much time til I reach the age cut off, and having to wear glasses is another hurdle I'd have to jump.

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
So, you're a 6-year enlistee too, huh? Welcome to getting screwed over. Well, good luck with whatever you decide to do. I have a little less than a year and a half left in my enlistment and with all of this AEF shit going on, I don't think I'll be re-enlisting.....I don't really know what I'm gonna do yet. Guess I'll see how things go over the next year....

yup, when i enlisted I figured I was going to stay in for 20 anyway. Damn that was a huge mistake. The 7K$ was nice, well the 5k$ or so that actually went in my pocket. The military paying taxes what kinda damn sense does that make.

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
Oh, I always wondered. Do the pilots do the same? I used to want to try and be a pilot so I could eventually work in an airline but all that flying kinda turned me off to the idea. Plus I dont have much time til I reach the age cut off, and having to wear glasses is another hurdle I'd have to jump.

You can get waivers for everything... but yea everyone in the flying community flies an average of 3 days a week. Of course aircraft type will make the vary. If you fly high level tanker stuff it's not that big of a deal. I do 6 hour low level missions at 300AGL and it really sucks sometimes. I get headaches, dehydrated...a little sick sometimes (have not thrown up yet), plus I gotta stand up the whole time.. I would work for it if you wanted it..

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:57 AM

300ft damn thats low. I would but I've lost interest, mainly because I'm married and my wife doesnt want me to be gone all the time even after the military with an airline.

Rob

10-20-2002, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
yup, when i enlisted I figured I was going to stay in for 20 anyway. Damn that was a huge mistake. The 7K$ was nice, well the 5k$ or so that actually went in my pocket. The military paying taxes what kinda damn sense does that make.
I was told by MEPS (sp?) that my career field was only offered for a 6 year enlistment...yeah, that was bullshit...and on top of that, they didn't start offering an enlistment bonus in my career field until my 6th month of Tech School so of course I didn't get shit....oh well...and I know how you feel about the military paying taxes but that's a whole other story......

Kyle

10-20-2002, 01:55 PM

So, Whats the deal with taxes?...i thought you didn't pay or somethin...

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Mobbo
So, Whats the deal with taxes?...i thought you didn't pay or somethin...

I friggin wish!! Damn that would be so sweet. Actually we dont pay taxes on a small part of out income but its not that much of a help, a little, but not much.

Kyle

10-20-2002, 02:24 PM

What would a new recruit expect to be payed once he joined the AF?
and what kinda bonuses do they give?

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
I was told by MEPS (sp?) that my career field was only offered for a 6 year enlistment...yeah, that was bullshit...and on top of that, they didn't start offering an enlistment bonus in my career field until my 6th month of Tech School so of course I didn't get shit....oh well...and I know how you feel about the military paying taxes but that's a whole other story......

Oh dang that sucks. My dad was a Marine recruiter working at the MEPS and he knew the air force recruiters so I didnt have to worry about getting screwed over. So i screwed myself. If you really want out you could say you're gay, but even I dont hate my job that much.

Kyle

10-20-2002, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by AzCivic
Oh dang that sucks. My dad was a Marine recruiter working at the MEPS and he knew the air force recruiters so I didnt have to worry about getting screwed over. So i screwed myself. If you really want out you could say you're gay, but even I dont hate my job that much.
wtf, lol, thats funny...
do people actually do that?

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Mobbo
What would a new recruit expect to be payed once he joined the AF?
and what kinda bonuses do they give?

About 1100 before taxes and you be given a dorm room and free food. As far as bonuses go, don't let that be you deciding factor. There's one reason why the military offers bonuses: they cant keep people in the the career field. Which might be because the job sucks(like mine), or its dangerous, or the money on the outside is alot better than staying in once your trained(most computer jobs).

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Mobbo
wtf, lol, thats funny...
do people actually do that?

Yeah I've heard a bunch of stories, so if you start talking to a recruiter and he promises you something get ahold of me or someone else in the military and find out if its true.

V8killimports

10-20-2002, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Mobbo
So, Whats the deal with taxes?...i thought you didn't pay or somethin...

I don't pay state taxes at all.. I am a texas resisdent and will be while they have have state taxes.

Kyle

10-20-2002, 02:36 PM

Well, what jobs do you think would be nice...and what score do you need to get on that test to get them?
I took the practice test at my friends uncle's house...and i got a 50 on it...that was 2 years ago...i'm definetly sure that i can get 65+ now...

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by V8killimports
I don't pay state taxes at all.. I am a texas resisdent and will be while they have have state taxes.

I'm a cali resident and i don't pay them either, i just had to fill out some form saying I'm a resident but I dont live there, not many people know about it.

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Mobbo
Well, what jobs do you think would be nice...and what score do you need to get on that test to get them?
I took the practice test at my friends uncle's house...and i got a 50 on it...that was 2 years ago...i'm definetly sure that i can get 65+ now...

Personal and information management, if you want to get some college done. Those are easy as hell to do.

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:39 PM

Kyle

10-20-2002, 02:46 PM

I just wnt something that i can do, and enjoy until i retire...or to do something that sucks and get payed a lot for it until i retire...lol

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:51 PM

Well something you might enjoy, I might think sucks. Like maybe you like cooking, I don't. If you want something challenging and you make alot of cash inside or out, then an air traffic control job is pretty cool.

Kyle

10-20-2002, 02:54 PM

I don't want something really challenging...cuase sometimes i just can't handle a lot of pressure...I just need something where i can go to work every day and know what i'm gonna do...I need structure...

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Mobbo
I don't want something really challenging...cuase sometimes i just can't handle a lot of pressure...I just need something where i can go to work every day and know what i'm gonna do...I need structure...

Just about any job in the military is going be structured. I say Personel or Information management, low stress, easy to do, off on holidays and weekends. Basically a 9-5. And you can do some college at the same time.

Kyle

10-20-2002, 03:01 PM

What kind of bootcamp/training thing do they do in the AF?

AzCivic

10-20-2002, 03:18 PM

Its six weeks long and its not that hard. Nothing like the Marines or Army. Sure you get yelled at but big deal everyone there is getting yelled at. The exercise stuff is a piece of cake, anyone can do it.

Rob

10-20-2002, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Mobbo
What would a new recruit expect to be payed once he joined the AF?
and what kinda bonuses do they give?
Hey Mobbo, I jumped in on this one kinda late...if you have any questions about the Air Force or the military in general and Az or V8 doesn't get a chance to answer them, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you....

Kyle

10-21-2002, 12:46 PM

alright, cool...

armyguy5

10-22-2002, 12:57 AM

haha actually in the army you get treated like your twelve. Stupid things go on. Room inspections at 0330. I live on the biggest post in all of the military. I'm a 14J (juliet). it's a sentinel radar operator. I track anything that moves in the sky and classify it. the only thing i can think of this transfering over is to an air traffic controller. um my basic was 9 weeks, and was tough. never thought i'd drag my head in woodchips but i did. I went to Ft. bliss tx in el paso for 19 weeks of school (damn) where we still had drill sergeants even though i was told it was like college. i got no bonus for join but i did get 54,000 dollars for college (24,000 army college fund 30,000 MGIB). i enlisted for 2 years. since i'm from illinois the state pays for all my college. i dont pay taxes. we get all weekends off. one four day weekend a month and other cool shit. my pay grade is e-3 and i make 1305 a month. i pay a car payment, digital cable, cable modem, surround sound..new computer..the whole works. It's not that bad. Drinking is fun =) i dunno if you wanna know about the army talk to me

chris
2002 Honda Civic EX coupe
HHB 1-44 ADA (air defense artillery)

Rob

10-22-2002, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by armyguy5
I went to Ft. bliss tx in el paso for 19 weeks of school (damn) where we still had drill sergeants even though i was told it was like college.
I feel you man...my dorm in school was right next to the Army barracks (Keesler AFB. MS) so I would see how they got treated and such...didn't look like fun. My Tech school was 10 months long but it was like college (kinda). I actually miss it a little........

VR4_Craver

10-22-2002, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by AzCivic
[B But you have to wonder why the minimum ASVAB score to get into the marines is lower than that for the Air Force. [/B]

SEMPER FI DO OR DIE..GUN HO, GUN HO! that is why you dont have to be smart to be a marine you just have to used your head.

VR4_Craver

10-22-2002, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by mt.biker
What would you know about our military you ignorate F*CK. Get outta here with your redneck comments.

Now i'm gonna school you, you inbread mother f*cker.

The Canadian military has no need to be as large as the American one. Though the American military comes up to Canada to train with the Canadians, so alot of the tactics you learn in flight school are developed in canadian airspace. It is one of the few countries that a militar aircraft is given a HUGE area to fly around in with little need to contact the tower for promision to cross into another airspace, giving the pilots a great learning evnoirment. Interesting you should say we suck aswell. In the last year the "top gun" program was active the canadian air force flew down and walked all over the americans winning something like 9 out of 11 possible awards.

F*CK YOU IGNORATE AMERICANS! I'm sick of the Canadain bashing, find someone else to pick on you ungreatful assholes!

And i though you said you never bash people on the board....or generalize.

Kyle

10-22-2002, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by VR4_Craver
And i though you said you never bash people on the board....or generalize.
I was just as pissed as Biker was...
he had all the right in the world to say what he said.

AzCivic

10-23-2002, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
I feel you man...my dorm in school was right next to the Army barracks (Keesler AFB. MS) so I would see how they got treated and such...didn't look like fun. My Tech school was 10 months long but it was like college (kinda). I actually miss it a little........

When were you at Keesler? I was there for my tech school as well.

Rob

10-23-2002, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by AzCivic
When were you at Keesler? I was there for my tech school as well.
I was there from May '98 to Jan '99......you were in the 334th, right? I was in the 338th.

AzCivic

10-23-2002, 09:10 PM

I was there from sep'99 to march'00, oh well we werent there at the same time. Oh i was in the 335th, nice new dorms and only had to share the bathroom with one person. I've heard alot of crap about other squadrons.

Rob

10-23-2002, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by AzCivic
I was there from sep'99 to march'00, oh well we werent there at the same time. Oh i was in the 335th, nice new dorms and only had to share the bathroom with one person. I've heard alot of crap about other squadrons.
Yeah, when I was there we lived in the shitty dorms....they sucked. The new dorms weren't built until after I graduated....but I've been down to Keesler a couple of times for training classes and all that.....it's totally different now. The triangle isn't the triangle anymore :crazy: