gone/weed

[Spazum888]

im gone for a few days and i have to check out every damn thread! come on guys :) your killing me!


ok i got just a quick question. i was at a party for my friends 21st birthday (good times) and he was doing some weed... and i have never seen him do so much.... i know he was hyped up for his birthday.... but they they passed it to me... i said no because im scared that in the future ill get a kick ass job and they will take a drug test and find me positive.. and there goes my job... im just woundering why you have/havent tried weed?

[ebpda9]

i never tried it cause i get addicted to things pretty easy. it did not take me long to get to smoke, and now i smoke more than 2 packs a day. :crazy: :o

[Racing Rice]

No drugs for me.. My body is my temple!;)

[juvenile]

Dude just to let you know you're on the right path but I don't think that your job will be on the line because you did weed at a party once!
I mean weed goes away from the system after like a month or so (I think!)

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by juvenile
Dude just to let you know you're on the right path but I don't think that your job will be on the line because you did weed at a party once!
I mean weed goes away from the system after like a month or so (I think!)

Just depends when he gets hired. ;)

[Spazum888]

i know it goes away.... but i dont want to have that feeling of being scared....i want to know im clean and not be afraid of taking the test... i guess thats the only thing holding me back

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by Spazum888
... i guess thats the only thing holding me back

Thats ashame man.. You should have more pride in yourself then that. :paranoid:

[juvenile]

Dude, there is no logic behind it.

It's like saying...I won't drive at all and stay at home because I might be dead by crashing or tripping, falling and cracking my head.
It's a good reason not to do weed, but I don't think that reason is the best one!

You can miss out on a whole lot of other good things by being afraid! :yes:

[Spazum888]

i do have pride in myself. i take care of myself, i dont do anything thats gonna put me in harms way. but yet at the same time i do like to have fun. and im willing to try anything once.

[Racing Rice]

Its cool man.. I just have to many friends that I have watched weed mess up thier lives for one reason or another.

What you do is up to you. You just have to be prepared for the consequences, thats all.

[Spazum888]

welll i guesss anything is ok as long is you dont take it too far......

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by Spazum888
welll i guesss anything is ok as long is you dont take it too far......

This is probably true.

[Addict]

Doing it once won't do much for you anyhow. They won't find much in your system if anything at all.

Moderation. Some people get the concept. Others get lost in it.

[ChrisCantSkate]

if its not already in your system is flushes out in 24-48 hours... its when you do it for a while.. then it takes upto 3 weeks to get completly out. i read some thing... found it rather interesting..

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_faq1.shtml

therse alot of info there

[slowEJ6]

take care of yourself?
so what happened at the party? :pukey


that wasnt taking care of yourself.

[ChrisCantSkate]

yeah.. from everything ive read...

weed is 100x healthier than drinking and safer.. no risk of over dose.. and donst do perminent damage (besides lack of ambition.. but that varys from user to user)

[Kyle]

I've smoked weed before....and i love it.
If someone at a party or whatever has some weed...and wants to smoke out...i'm all for it. But i don't waste my money on it...it's not worth my money;)

[mylittlecivic]

I've never tried it, I almost did but I had to pass it up my sister and sister n law were heavy into the stuff and it totally screwed them over, theyre thinking is a lil messed up too.It looks fun but Im just not gonna go there.

[GirlRacer]

I've never tried it b/c all the people I know who do it have slowly gone on a downward spiral and they do nothing but that now. :crazy: They work mediocre jobs, live in mediocre houses, drive mediocre vehicles. :pukey
Mediocrity is not something I want to be a part of. I'm goin somewhere and I don't really need anything making me slow down.
Just my opinion...

[fastasfoggy]

you gotta smoke like three times to really feel it....not three tokes three bowls different times. and it goes away in like two weeks, depends on how much water youre drinking. ive seen people ruin their lives with drugs..not weed.but with the big ones.....doctors wouldnt prescribe bud to people if it was bad right? who knows if you do planning on doing find somewhere to chill and do it, dont drive(anxiety your first couple of times)..but ive never done anything worse than bud. i was way to happy with it

[GirlRacer]

:no: If you haven't done it before, I'd have to say...why start now?

[Violent Apathy]

I've never seen weed **** up anyone's life, the arder drugs yes, but not weed. I haven't smoked in 3 months, and before that i was doing it multiple times a day, it's not addicting at all. I'm not really much better now though, i switched to painkillers, even worse :P. I'm on somas as i right this hehe

[mt.biker]

the side effects of weed can be found in your system up to 6months back. The more you smoke the more is left behind in your system and this takes a while to clear up. A friend of mine joined the army and went clean for 7 months to clean up.

As to the side effects of it there are a few, one being memory issues. It really gets on my nerves when someone tells me something and i just forget about it.... true story.

If you haven't started yet, save yourself the trouble and just go screw the gf. Or if no gf find one! But whatever you do stay away from weed.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by mt.biker
the side effects of weed can be found in your system up to 6months back. The more you smoke the more is left behind in your system and this takes a while to clear up. A friend of mine joined the army and went clean for 7 months to clean up.

As to the side effects of it there are a few, one being memory issues. It really gets on my nerves when someone tells me something and i just forget about it.... true story.

If you haven't started yet, save yourself the trouble and just go screw the gf. Or if no gf find one! But whatever you do stay away from weed.
ive noticed the lack of memory to only be a short time effect... usualy only within a day or 2 of smoking.. much like a hang over.. but with a hangover you withdraw more. also weed you can do more regularly than drinking because it dosnt beat the hell out of your system. thats why people dont drink as much as they smoke... but someone who smokes daily.. well yeah.. they are gonna seem retarted. also ive seen it depends on the quality of the bud. the higher the quality, the less the side effects are. trust me, i know from past experience.. 2 months clean now though

[GirlRacer]

:) good for you....planning on staying clean, or has it just been out of reach for awhile? heh...

[ChrisCantSkate]

its been in more reach than normal... i passed up some florecent red stuff last night.. VERY potent... i was proud of myself.. they even had the glass 2 footer out.. all iced down...

[GirlRacer]

:) I'm proud of you too then....keep it up ;)

[Addict]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude
its been in more reach than normal... i passed up some florecent red stuff last night.. VERY potent... i was proud of myself.. they even had the glass 2 footer out.. all iced down...

You were drunk weren't you?:D

[ChrisCantSkate]

completly sober...

[fastasfoggy]

ive smoked alot of pot and its never caused any memory loss or anything up to date that can be contributed to smoke. now if i forget something that happened while i was high, oh yeah thats a given. i turned 21 a couple of weeks ago and i never drank before that, that much. but i think being high is ten times better. i wonder how many people would smoke it if it were legal? thats why i havent bought it since school, not worth the risk of probation and all that shit. if you get high and dont wanna make it daily. just put money into someone elses bag. noone wants to get high alone

[ChrisCantSkate]

^^^ yeah... i guess it varies from user to user

[fastasfoggy]

yeah usually the kids that start pawning their parents furniture are usually gonna head down that downward spiral with or without bud. (when its legal people will understand)

[ohiochica]

ok i am going to jump in here on this one........and yes at one point i was very addicted to weed.
first reason : do you realize it can actually cause problems with your sperm and god forbid you get a girl pregnant with that sperm, your chances of having special needs children is greatly heightened.
second reason : simply put its illegal! ask my friend, he endced up being put on probabtion, and lost his liscense for 6 months! and had to go thru 12 months of inpatient and out patient rehab (court ordered).
third : yes it is highly addictive and expensive.
fourth : most good jpbs do a drug screen and no the shampoos and drinks dont work even 50% of the time.
fifth : it can cause major problems in a serious relationship. i am not married yet because of it.
also a tid bit of info......even being in teh same room as heavy weed smokers will make you test positive for weed.
good luck, and remember it takes more will power and more sefl control to stay sober.

[fastasfoggy]

ive never known anyone to be addicted to smoking weed

[ChrisCantSkate]

isnt not a physicaly addicting subtance.. there have been MANY tests proving it wrong, its a mental addiction, meaning that you THINK you need it, if you have the will power you can just stop. same thing with the sperm being contaminated... they only concluded it lowered the sperm count. belive me.. i know ALOT of poeple who have smoked 4 or 5 times a day.. but when they dont have any, they dont get shakes.. or shit like from people not smoking cigs and shit.. its all in your head

[nonovurbizniz]

This Thread has explained all my questions about these forums.
1. Why are there soooo many stupid questions?
2. Why do people who don't know what they're talking about answer the already stupid question?
3. Is everyone in one of these forums a retard?

WELL
1. The dumb questions come from people who have no idea about the subject they're asking about. Ok that's fair how else are you going to learn.

2. The dumb answers come from people who have no idea either only they think they do cuz they read it somewhere or heard this from this guy.

3. YES YES YES YES


Pot is no big deal.
Ya it's illegal. SO IS STREET RACING/SPEEDING AND HALF OF THE MODS THAT YOU PEOPLE DO TO YOUR CARS

Yes some people act like vacant dumbass burnouts when they smoke. WELL GUESS HOW THEY ARE SOBER... DUMBASS' AND RETARDS.

NO ONE HAS EVER STOLLEN ANYTHING FOR POT AND IF THEY DID IT WAS A CHOICE NOT SOME INTERNAL BURNING NEED FOR A FIX

NO ONE HAS EVER OVERDOSED ON POT (IT'S IMPOSSIBLE)

YOU ARE ALL (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE TIMID FEW) ONCE AGAIN TALKING ABOUT STUFF YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT.

[ChrisCantSkate]

WTF? are you high? do you not read my posts?

[nonovurbizniz]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz

YOU ARE ALL (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE TIMID FEW) ONCE AGAIN TALKING ABOUT STUFF YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT. [/B]

Sorry 4thgenlude yerz haven't been that timid. Goddam ignorant people ranting about sh*t they have no idea about REALLY PISSES me off.

if they want to post wrong answers to technical questions thats fine i don't much care about somebody blowing up they're car (they'll learn from it) but to deprive someone the GREAT joy of pot through mis-information and peer-pressure is UNACCEPTABLE to me.

oh and to answer your question NO GODDAMIT Everyone i know is out. i haven't smoked since last night. (im on the way to my parents house right now to steal they're tv and give it to my dealer.

[ChrisCantSkate]

dude... its still a substance that CAN be abused.. its not like it dosnt do anything to you. its not the "GREAT JOY" im in no ways saying everyone go smoke. but im jsut stating un-baised facts about the subject manner. jobs do screen, that is one reason not to it is illiegal, thats another reason not to. if its because of health reasons and you drink or smoke or both... your doing 10x more harm... no 100x more harm to your body.

[nonovurbizniz]

ya and so is caffine
as far as the "great joy" comment
(i guess sarcasim doesn't read so well)

im not advocating anyone do anything they don't want to. I'm just saying that marijuana has FIXED many problems in my life that doctors wanted to prescribe other (and way more harmful drugs to fix)
I'd rather smoke a joint than load myself up on all sorts of prescription medicine which ARE addictive and leave you feeling VERY DIS-ASSOCIATED

[ChrisCantSkate]

FYI eating it has NO side effects... smoking does have more tar in it... but the tar will not cause cancer

[nonovurbizniz]

YA BUT BE CAREFUL HOW MUCH YOU PUT IN.

A FRIEND OF MINE WHO WAS WELL ROLLING IN IT LET ME COOK HIM AND 6-10 PEOPLE A 3 COURSE MEAL WITH IT IN EVERYTHING. I'VE BEEN SMOKING FOR 5-7 YEARS (CANT REMEMBER LOL) AND IT F'ING FLOORED ME. :eek: :crazy: :paranoid:

[GirlRacer]

:eek: omg, he's kinda rude....

[Violent Apathy]

rude but right, and screw being polite, hasn't benefitted me any.

[GirlRacer]

U catch more flies w/honey than you do w/vinegar.

[DsBlu01CivEX]

yah i've smoked it a couple of times...like 3 or 4....didn't do anything for me...nor was I expecting it to. I don't care what people choose to do....it's their lives and their bodies...do what ya want with them

[fastasfoggy]

as rude as he may appear, street racing is illegal isnt it? and alot more dangerous? but still everyones opinion ive heard in this forum has been pretty close...and if you notice the people that say they havent smoked it is just giving the kid advice that is legal..probably some of the best advice...but since i do smoke occasionally i wanna defend it....maybe pot just makes me paranoid???? nah thats the heroin(im not serious).....................and it lowers your sperm count alot if you dont pick the seeds out..otherwise without the seeds its not a number that needs to be worried about.

[bootstrap]

I used to smoke, i dunno prolly like 10-15 times, and its just not worth starting! I don't care what anybody says, its obvsously more healthy not to smoke than it is TO smoke. I'm not saying it is as dangerous as other drugs, but it IS a risk, whether it be a physical health risk or social risk. Granted, you can't OD, and its technically not addictive (however i always seem to be feindin for it once in a while). But your going to HAVE to stop smoking sometime! (that is , if you want a family). All the kids i know whose parents smoked are drug dealers now. Besides it DOES create memory loss (studies have shown short term). But if you smoke almost everyday, thats just as well as long-term memory loss. Bottom line is, anything but clean air going into your lungs is not healthy, and whether or not we partake in activities that are in fact riskier than smoking weed should have nothing to do with it. And weed is a gateway drug, because everybody starts with weed, then ponders what other drugs will feel like. I'm not tellin y'all what to do, but basically, i just have better shit to do.

[Mushroom]

Wow, that wasn't the reply I expected from grimey. NOt sure why...

For me, it's a philosophical thing (same reason I avoid fast food, alcohol and caffeine). Life is short, and anything I do to affect my "natural" body (whatever that means) limits my efforts to understand the "natural" world (whatever that is).

Oh, and I'm a wimp. Seriously, though, there's all kinds of excitement in one's unadulterated perception of the world if you're willing to find it.

[GirlRacer]

:yes: Good call Mushroom.

[Spazum888]

Originally posted by hybrid3do0rcx
take care of yourself?
so what happened at the party? :pukey


that wasnt taking care of yourself.

STFU! ;) hybrid3do0rcx was there too. good times. ok so i had alittle too much to drink. anyone ever have lemon drops knows wut im talking about. so i crawled out to the front of the yard and started yacking.... :pukey i felt soooo much more better after though :)

[Addict]

Originally posted by Spazum888
STFU! ;) hybrid3do0rcx was there too. good times. ok so i had alittle too much to drink. anyone ever have lemon drops knows wut im talking about. so i crawled out to the front of the yard and started yacking.... :pukey i felt soooo much more better after though :)

Ahh man Lemon Drops RULE! You're not supposed to drink alot of them though:crazy:

[cutiepy701]

Ive never in my life seen weed fuc* up a persons life, only hard drugs. And weed is NOT a gateway drug....I started smoking weed when I was 12. Not heavily or anything, then I stopped.
Ill smoke every once in a while. Its fun, but makes me wanna go to sleep:rolleyes: I don't think its bad, as long as its in moderation.

I have noticed though if I smoke every day, I get real stupid. Like I forget things really easy, so now I stopped cuz Im in school and I can't afford to be stupid.
Ill do it maybe on the weekend, or every great once in a while now.

And Ive only bought one bag in my life, Id never waste my money on it:D

[cutiepy701]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict


Ahh man Lemon Drops RULE! You're not supposed to drink alot of them though:crazy:


LOL, I love vodka, and anything to do with vodka. This one time I was at a party, and we were doing lemon drops, well I had about ten of them (which is about avarage for me cuz I can drink alot)

Well....no one bothered to tell me that the shot glasses were doubles:no: Huh...you can only imagine how I was that night:pukey :pukey ;( :pukey ;(

[cutiepy701]

Originally posted by ohiochica
fourth : most good jpbs do a drug screen and no the shampoos and drinks dont work even 50% of the time.


Ummm...WRONG...I have to defend that because my job decided to spontaneously drug screen us after two years, and they did a hair follicle test on Jan 14th. I smoked hella week on new years eve. I bought that shampoo (35.$$ might I add) and I was clean....so sorry, but they really do work, and so do the urine ones. My friend is on probabtion she smoked two days before her piss test and she came out clean:yes:

[Spazum888]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict


Ahh man Lemon Drops RULE! You're not supposed to drink alot of them though:crazy:

trust me everybody... DO NOT, i repeat, DO NOT over do it on the lemon drops. that stuff creaps up on you.... and before you know it your sick.

[Addict]

Originally posted by Spazum888
trust me everybody... DO NOT, i repeat, DO NOT over do it on the lemon drops. that stuff creaps up on you.... and before you know it your sick.

I'm a lightweight anyhow. I don't drink very often. Maybe a time or two a month tops.

[Spazum888]

thats cool. couple times a month is good. keep everything in moderation.

[cutiepy701]

Originally posted by Spazum888


trust me everybody... DO NOT, i repeat, DO NOT over do it on the lemon drops. that stuff creaps up on you.... and before you know it your sick.

Hell ya it does, I was like on #5 and thinking "damn, This isnt even affecting me." then before I know it, Im laying on the floor thinking "what the fuc* just happened" all dizzy and shit bout to yak....:crazy: :o

[ohiochica]

Originally posted by cutiepy701


Ummm...WRONG...I have to defend that because my job decided to spontaneously drug screen us after two years, and they did a hair follicle test on Jan 14th. I smoked hella week on new years eve. I bought that shampoo (35.$$ might I add) and I was clean....so sorry, but they really do work, and so do the urine ones. My friend is on probabtion she smoked two days before her piss test and she came out clean:yes:




ok if you will re read my previous post while sober you will realize i said the shampoos and drinks work, at best, 50% of the time. yes i too have gotten lucky and gotten a clean test when i should have been testing positive for weed. somehow i got very lucky!

grrrrrrrrr, if you are going to quote and argue with me, make sure we are not saying the same darn thing.

smile!
Becky

[Spazum888]

but see thats the reason i dont smoke weed... is because i dont want the feeling of "being scared" i want to take the test and know ill be clean. i know this is an old post... but wut about extecy? i have always wanted to try that wit my friend....

[Addict]

Originally posted by Spazum888
but see thats the reason i dont smoke weed... is because i dont want the feeling of "being scared" i want to take the test and know ill be clean. i know this is an old post... but wut about extecy? i have always wanted to try that wit my friend.... Heh. If you won't smoke weed why go "higher" up in the food chain of drugs? E will mess you up.

[ChrisCantSkate]

E will **** you up.. thats all there is too it, if it was pure mdma in small doses it wouldnt be AS bad... its still worse than weed, but now its only cut with a type of acid, cocaine and herion IF your lucky... they will use all sorts of nasty crap to stretch their batch of pills.... you can get a bad pill and OD so fast.

[ohiochica]

omg you are afraid of weed but you wouldnt mind trying x? what the XXXX are you already on? fyi......x kills brain cells on impact, it also dehydrates you and that alone can kill you.

i am sure it does 100 times worse things but my brian is too cold to think. we went a huge stock race and did very well untill he got sideways and got t-boned and bent the tie rods and lost power steering...after the steering went he was screwed since it was a 100 lap race. for anyoen that doesnt know me my bf races pure stocks on an oval dirt track.

leave the drugs alone, there not worth it!
Becky

[SilverHX4Me]

Pat...

ok well here's something I don't share often but if it keeps you from doing something really stupid it's worth it.

couple years ago ( before Tom ) I was into raves and all that crap. It was my friends birthday and we went to this awesome all nighter up in the Angeles National Forest. We had all bought * snow cones* from this guy we trusted and I was SO out of it I was digging in the mud for crickets and screaming they were gonna crawl up and kill me... all this crap ( you know me so picture this in your head lol)There were a mess of us and when we were finally getting ready to go home around 7 am we piled into cars and all that. I was sposed to go with a diferent group and they lived closer to me so I got out and switched cars. Well when I got home I had all these messages from my friend and he was crying and hysterical... turns out the car I was originally in ended up going OVER the guard rail and plunging over 7,000 feet to the bottom of the mountain.He didn't see me switch cars so he thought I was dead. None of us did anything but X...you NEVER know what you're getting with that crap. You can't until it's too late and no high or rush or any other thing is EVER worth your life. Unless you are prepared to die.. don't do it.

http://www.usc.edu/student-affairs/dt/V138/N06/02-arrest.06c.html

one of the least upsetting links you can read.
If you want more you can ask me personally. Just keep in mind that everytime you do ANY drug you can die because you never know who has messed with it or cut it with anything.

[Spazum888]

sry that happend... all i said was i was "thinking" about it... from hearing your stories im not so sure anymore :no:

[cutiepy701]

Im really sorry dude, that is a sad story, I did x once, and I would never do it again, especially after reading that story.;(

[Niacin]

Everything in moderation, including moderation.

Try it once, make up your own mind.

Max

[Spazum888]

man on the way home... i asked my mom if she has ever done weed... she said no......... yes....... once !!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: wooooow my mom did weed once... my mom is anti everything and she has done weed before! holy crap.... needless to say it kinda put me in shock.

[SilverHX4Me]

Originally posted by Spazum888
man on the way home... i asked my mom if she has ever done weed... she said no......... yes....... once !!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: wooooow my mom did weed once... my mom is anti everything and she has done weed before! holy crap.... needless to say it kinda put me in shock.

did she do it while she was pregnant with yer brother? :D

[slowEJ6]

:D :D :D

[Spazum888]

Originally posted by SilverHX4Me


did she do it while she was pregnant with yer brother? :D

???

[SilverHX4Me]

Originally posted by Spazum888


???


hehe Pat.. this is Amber.. and that is what we like to call JOKES :D

[melteye]

Ok. I have spent the last three months studying drugs and their effects on patients with mental disorders (mostly bipolar disorder, schizoaffective disorder, dissociative disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder). Alot of things you hear about drugs are lies.

Marijuana: It's not physically addictive. Someone here said that the people who took it ended up becoming mediocre... Well what do you have to say about Alcahol, come on. You should be able to think past that. People are people, if they stay in the lower class it means their minds were there in the first place. And it takes about a month to completely go out of your system after chronic use. For you i'd wait a week if you did it once.

It is shown to cause fluctuations in growth hormones in young teenagers. So make sure you've matured before starting. Research has shown no birth defects, but just to be sure please don't smoke while pregnant...

If you have a mental disorder such as schizophrenia it is advised that you abstain from marijuana use. smoking causes your brain to release a wave of hormones, especially dopamine, which is a bad thing for several mental disorders. Testing showed a 20% increase is schizophrenic activity in the brain. For some patients with severe schizophrenia these increases (which fade after the high ends) can cause them to descend into their disorder faster. They are currently researching the use of marijuana and medications like haldol to stop this from happening.

MDMA: It does not kill your brain cells on contact, that happens when you buy cheap pills that weren't really mdma to begin with (similar drug, same effects, much worse side effects). However mdma does cause a Serotonin Disorder... That alone should make you not take it, and if you do take if even with this knowledge then all I have to say is your ****ing ignorant.

Instead of beleiving things people and the media tell you actually do research. If you were raised beleiving black people were animals would it be right to beleive it... Does that make it OK to be racist. No it does not. So don't spread ignorance here.

[melteye]

Originally posted by SilverHX4Me
http://www.usc.edu/student-affairs/dt/V138/N06/02-arrest.06c.html

one of the least upsetting links you can read.
If you want more you can ask me personally. Just keep in mind that everytime you do ANY drug you can die because you never know who has messed with it or cut it with anything.

Hard drugs are a complete different category then Marijuana. As for taking drugs at a rave or even accepting anything you eat at a rave was a big mistake. Raves are the center of date rape and ****ed up people, thats like buying marijuana from a dealer who has a wall of cocaine lined up behind him.

I do not support buying ANY illicit drugs of any kind. IF you ever do buy marijuana make sure you know the dealer very well, as in one of your close friends, not someone you know because they sell. And if your taking any drug without studying it first the effects are YOUR fault, if it is laced its YOUR fault. Study drugs and KNOW what your getting, its not that hard to tell pure marijuana apart from laced marijuana. (I didn't mean YOU, I mean the people who take drugs)

And as for crawling in the mud looking for crickets, it sounds like methamphetamines or cheap lsd to me. Email me any other side effects you noticed if thats not a problem (dan@melteye.com). I want to know what you took, you gotta watch out for your health. I don't want the fiancee of my friend harmed.

:)

[melteye]

Originally posted by bootstrap
I used to smoke, i dunno prolly like 10-15 times, and its just not worth starting! I don't care what anybody says, its obvsously more healthy not to smoke than it is TO smoke. I'm not saying it is as dangerous as other drugs, but it IS a risk, whether it be a physical health risk or social risk. Granted, you can't OD, and its technically not addictive (however i always seem to be feindin for it once in a while). But your going to HAVE to stop smoking sometime! (that is , if you want a family). All the kids i know whose parents smoked are drug dealers now. Besides it DOES create memory loss (studies have shown short term). But if you smoke almost everyday, thats just as well as long-term memory loss. Bottom line is, anything but clean air going into your lungs is not healthy, and whether or not we partake in activities that are in fact riskier than smoking weed should have nothing to do with it. And weed is a gateway drug, because everybody starts with weed, then ponders what other drugs will feel like. I'm not tellin y'all what to do, but basically, i just have better shit to do.

It's much healthier then smoking tobacco. The short term memory loss has to do with concentration, and that side effect goes away when your receptors are done with the canniboid. Smoking daily does not create long term memory loss. Restudy, short term has nothing to do with things like "what did i eat this morning" ;) and the effects are MUCH less then alcahol.

Anything but clean air? Uh oh, you better sell your car and stay at home, especially off the freeways. If you smoke pot without being a moron its a very small amount of smoke (compared to tobacco smokers), and when your in traffic you breath crap in for hours.

Weed is not a gateway drug, read the research. There is NO connection between marijuana use and hard drug use, read the figures.

Are you saying that Alcahol is a gateway drug also? Studies show that people who took hard drugs started on Alcahol... But you don't consider that a "horrible" thing do you. Just because it's illegal does not mean it's worse then the things that are legal.

Please go read CURRENT research. Research done in the 70s was horrible. Go find a report where a doctor strapped a gas mask to a monkeys face and made him breath in marijuana smoke for five minutes straight, the levels they gave that monkey were thousands more then a normal smoker would take.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by melteye


Go find a report where a doctor strapped a gas mask to a monkeys face and made him breath in marijuana smoke for five minutes straight, the levels they gave that monkey were thousands more then a normal smoker would take.


bet he was high as hell....that would have been funny to see

[melteye]

The monkey was extremel scared. High amounts of THC cause severe paranoia... I imagine monkeys would panic... But then again they would be severely stoned so they could't do much damage could they :D

Poor monkeys.

[monkut]

melteye: thank you very much for bringing the facts to the table. i am also starting research on pot and have found the same info that you had given. before i started research, i was just like everyone else, i "knew" that marijauna was bad because i listened to the hype. but now, im outraged that people are being manipulated into thinking it is dangerous. i encourage any of you reading to do some research on how many people have suffered because of smoking marijauna as compared to how many people have suffered because of the illegality of the drug. i think you'll find the numbers outrageous. look at all who have been affected. not just the people in jail but think of how much more crime gets started because of the sale of drugs. think gang activity. also think about farmers who have all of their crops destroyed by the fbi or fbi backed organizations (think outside of us (or even kentucky farmers)). what do they do when their whole livelyhood is taken away from them? they cant make money selling other crops, many then turn to guerilla warfare as a means to make money in another illegal, but more deadly way. there are so many things that rest upon this whole issue, just do some research. peace

[monkut]

oh, and to respond to the original question: im a slightly angry person at times (although most of my friends dont even know this) so i like to smoke every once and a while to calm my nerves. the other reason i do it is because i find that when im high i think in ways that are different, more creative and stimulating.
oh yeah, DON'T SMOKE AND DRIVE!

[bootstrap]

i dunno who the **** melteye thinks he is, but im' not basing most of what i say on research, i'm basing it on what i KNOW, so whatever facts your getting are mostly WRONG

[nonovurbizniz]

Originally posted by bootstrap
i dunno who the **** melteye thinks he is, but im' not basing most of what i say on research, i'm basing it on what i KNOW, so whatever facts your getting are mostly WRONG

Ya but the problem is that what you "know" is limited you merely experimented with marijuanna. the effects vary over time and use.

one person posted that they smoked a bunch of times and never felt anything... that's because when it's initially introduced to your body it can react in different ways. most people don't get high the first couple times they smoke...

once they do get high it's generally either:
A. A really giddy high which lasts like 30-120 min. filled with side splitting laughter and loss of breath.
B. They get REALLY tired.

After you use for a while 3-6 months it is a totally different experience (and again this is VERY individual... some people start to get paranoid and stop because they can't deal with being in public or can't function properly at all when they're high (some continue to use anyway)) but for most of the people i know and myself... they remain perfectly normal functioning parts of society only they smoke pot. thats all. It relaxes me yes if i let it relax me too much i don't get much accomplished. but at the same time I am working full time and going to school at night and doing well.

It's all a matter of personality and individual brain chemestry. If you freak out when cops pull you over if you don't smoke pot or your generally nervous feel free to try it if you want but sounds to me like it's not for you. but if yer an angry white bastard like me then it might be the leveling factor in your life that prevents you from climbing the tower. :crazy: :)

So Bootstrap.. you sound like you should have kept smoking it may have mellowed you out eventually. Also don't ever over or UNDER estimate research. it's only as good as it's collection, subjects, and interpretation.

also there's tons and tons of Marijuana will save the world shit out there and it's not all that but it's not what your government/middle america wants you to think it is either.

LASTLY as far as melteye was saying about being better than tobacco smoke or traffic fumes YOU ARE WRONG most people who smoke pot either
A. smoke crappy pot in large quantities. (there is tons and tons more tar in unfiltered marijuana smoke than there is in EVEN unfiltered tabacco smoke. also marijuana smokers take bigger longer pulls and generally hold it for at least slightly longer than a pull off a cigarette)
B. smoke Really GOOD pot in smaller quantities. (this shit will make you cough no matter who you are it's just potent and after smoking even a small joint there is GOBS and GOBS of tar at the end of the roach. that does not happen at all with cigarettes.)

Over all pot smokers are not out there taking tiny controlled scientificlly measured hits. They're ripping 4 foot bong hits and 6 inch hog-legged joints/blunts. Taking big pulls and trying to either look cool or just get REALLY HIGH.

So if you really want a scientific test I'll smoke a cigarette through1 towell and a J through the other and take pics of the differnt stains on the towel cuz that's what's goin in yer lungs.

[melteye]

I know a few people who smoke 40 ciggaretes a day. You'll rarely find anyone who smokes that much marijuana in one day. And I do know a few who take small amounts of strong marijuana who measure their dosages with a scale and divide them into bags. But thanks for not just completelty bashing my posts like someone else here. :bow:

Marijuana should be taken through a water bong or water pipe and you shouldn't buy brickweed. Since I don't support buying from drug dealers the marijuana that I'm speaking of is home grown hydro... Not weak mexican brick.

Bootstrap. As for not beleiving anything I said based on research... Wait a minute. Your saying that you'd rather beleive what YOU want then what thousands of doctors have found out over the last thirty years?

I don't really care what you choose to beleive, but if you think something a scientist says is complete bullshit without even doing any work yourself then your being pretty rude to me... This is my job, I don't go around creating and spreading lies.

PS: And I'm not saying everyone should start smoking Marijuana. There are risks involved and they should be weighed. Personally I don't want Marijuana legalized, too many people abuse it, but I would like it used more for medical use. Research is being collected on it's use to stimulate the immune system and protect alzheimers patients from A.S.S. Marijuana is currently used to treat AIDS patients to stimulate appetite and ease pain. I began to study it for its use on acute schizophrenia since I suffer from the disorder to the point where normal living is difficult, and medication such as haldol have very very horrible side effects (mentally) on me.

Marijuana isn't 100% healthy for you... Not nearly. But neither is Valium, Morphine, Haldol or any other medication you'll find used to treat various problems.

[melteye]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
Over all pot smokers are not out there taking tiny controlled scientificlly measured hits. They're ripping 4 foot bong hits and 6 inch hog-legged joints/blunts. Taking big pulls and trying to either look cool or just get REALLY HIGH.


I consider these people the equivalent of alcaholics. And as for the "J and Towel" research something a little more professional has been done with marijuana of various strengths and overall it had much less impact on the lungs then typical tobacco use.

Edit: Joints were not tested, they did pretty bad to begin with. Water bongs and vaporizors are the only methods used... And should be the ones users use the most.

[nonovurbizniz]

vaporizorers don't even ignite the vegetable matter they play off the fact that thc vaporizes at a lower temperature than the vegetable matter. this off course yields almost no tar. the tar which is what is in much higher concentrations in marijuana as compared to tobacco is why by volume marijuana is "worse" than tobacco. 1 joint has as much tar as 20 cigarettes.

however tobacco contains hundreds of man-made and naturally occuring toxins and chemicals.

and as far as bongs are concerned you both make the smoke more dense and increase the amount of smoke that would enter your lungs. so it's defenatly NOT the ideal method of dosage.

as 2ndgenlude said eating marijuanna has NO effects on the lungs. other risks have not been scientificll evaluated.

also 30 years of research doesn't guarantee QUALITY research

[melteye]

I've come to the conclusion that many scientists and organizations are completely full of shit.

As for research on marijuana everything is controversial and it's gone to the point where I can't continue working with these people.

**** research, our system doesn't work as well as it should.

:crazy:

[SilverHX4Me]

Originally posted by melteye
Hard drugs are a complete different category then Marijuana. As for taking drugs at a rave or even accepting anything you eat at a rave was a big mistake. Raves are the center of date rape and ****ed up people, thats like buying marijuana from a dealer who has a wall of cocaine lined up behind him.

I do not support buying ANY illicit drugs of any kind. IF you ever do buy marijuana make sure you know the dealer very well, as in one of your close friends, not someone you know because they sell. And if your taking any drug without studying it first the effects are YOUR fault, if it is laced its YOUR fault. Study drugs and KNOW what your getting, its not that hard to tell pure marijuana apart from laced marijuana. (I didn't mean YOU, I mean the people who take drugs)

And as for crawling in the mud looking for crickets, it sounds like methamphetamines or cheap lsd to me. Email me any other side effects you noticed if thats not a problem (dan@melteye.com). I want to know what you took, you gotta watch out for your health. I don't want the fiancee of my friend harmed.

:)

I'm very aware of the affects now... too bad it almost always takes a bad experience before people learn anything.
My side affects were pretty much seriously being dizzy,hearing things ( crickets) trying to cut myself with my fingernails ( cuz at one point i thought they were in my skin) ... i don't remember 100% of it. I just know the experience sucked and I NEVER touched a single drug again and never will. You never ever know what you're getting who it's been passed through or if someone is sick and wants to hurt you.

[melteye]

Those side effects sound extremely extremely close to speed/meth... But in your article it spoke of LSD.

Hmmm... I've never heard of LSD side effects like that

[mt.biker]

all this talk makes me want to try some stuff again :)

[melteye]

Then I guess we should stop talking.

The side effects you had are called "Crank Bugs". When you hear insects and feel them beneath your skin or "think" they are in your body. Alot of people try cutting themselves to get the bugs out. Most the time it's crickets... Probably because they all hear similar noises.

[Addict]

Originally posted by mt.biker
all this talk makes me want to try some stuff again :)
Yeah do it. All your friends are doin' it. You aren't cool unless you do it....

;)

[melteye]

Ya... Being a moron is the IN thing.

:D

[fastasfoggy]

wow i just learned more about drugs than i did in all of high school...well at least in school,


and melteye
is haldol for bipolar disorder? i take depakote for seizures...and i have never felt side effects of smoking pot. and really have never had a seizure while smoking pot

[melteye]

Haldol (Haloperidol) is an anti-psychotic used to treat psychosis, confusion and delusions. It is also widely used as a behavior modifier as well as for turrets syndrome.

Depakote (Divalproex sodium) alters chemicals in the brain that are involved in seizures, mania (bipolar included) and migraines.

Hopefully that answers your question. As for the side effects of bipolar not much is noticed. The research I had the doctors focus on was Schizophrenia, which isn't a good thing to have while doing ANY drugs... Including many OTC medications.

As for saying I'm wrong about marijuana being healthier then tobacco.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info3.shtml

Shows that they are around the same, and MUCH less is being smoked per day on daily marijuana users.

[ohiochica]

your on depakote and you smoke pot? wise health choices! i am astounded by the overwelming population of honda style members that have unused brains laying around. here is a joke for all the brainiacs......

In the hospital the relatives gathered in the waiting room, where their family member lay gravely ill.

Finally, the doctor came in looking tired and somber.
"I'm afraid I'm the bearer of bad news," he said as he surveyed the worried faces.

"The only hope left for your loved one at this time is a brain
transplant. It's an experimental procedure, very risky but it is the only hope."

"Insurance will cover the procedure, but you will have to pay for the brain yourselves."

The family members sat silent as they absorbed the news. After a great length of time, someone asked, "Well, how much does a
brain cost?"

The doctor quickly responded, "$5,000 for a male brain, and $200 for a female brain."

The moment turned awkward. Men in the room tried not to smile, avoiding eye contact with the women, but some actually smirked. A man, unable to control his curiosity, blurted out the question everyone wanted to ask, "Why is the male brain so much more?"

The doctor smiled at the childish innocence and explained to the entire group, "It's just standard pricing procedure. We have to mark down the price of the female brains, because they've actually been used."

[fastasfoggy]

ohio woman....i have smoked alot of pot while on this drug, tegretol and another migraine pill and never felt a side effect, next time i feel like making a personal decision like that ill be sure to ask you if it is wise. why dont you put that brain of yours to use on something that has to do with you.

[fastasfoggy]

and melteye do you think depakote and pot would interact? they never have with me..in high school i was taking six 250mg pills aday...

[melteye]

To the extent of my knowledge they should be fine together. They effect different hormones and different parts of the brain completely.

[monkut]

i find it slightly amusing that whenever a person argues the "pot is bad" side, they never provide information. "its wrong, i just know." i can relate though, i used to be the same way. that "i just know" part comes from societal influences that encourages the idea of marijauna being bad. bad is kinda a vague word, too.

[fastasfoggy]

thanks melteye

[ohiochica]

:D ummmm, i never said not to, nor did i ever say ask me first. so in that retrospect you my friend can just kiss my azz. as for not knowing about antipsychotic meds, i do know alot about them i have had to take many classes in regards to them. (due to my job) and also when i was in highschool many years ago a freind of mine was on antiseizure meds and he decided one night to be cool and smoke with us, not long after he did he was being lifelfighted to the hospital. that night he had a a 45 minute grand mal, and that led into a stroke. he is still not back to baseline 6 years later.

oh and melteye saying they effect different parts of the brain...since when did brain waves and chemicals become secluded to one area?

if marijuana was all this safe wouldnt ya think it would be legalized by now? ;)

[fastasfoggy]

you dont know anything about pot.. and if that kid was hanging out with you he was probably doing a speedball just to get through it, this is pointless

[melteye]

I'm sorry ohiochica, but there is no polite way of putting this... That post was extremely ignorant.

Have a nice day.

Edit: Your entire brain doesn't perform one function, thinking that it does reminds me of a first grader. There are different receptors for different substances, schizophrenic activity peaks in the frontal lobes, etc. Get your facts straight.

The only serious side effect of taking divalproex sodium and certain strains of marijuana is extreme sedation... Which obviously isn't a problem in this case.

[melteye]

if marijuana was all this safe wouldnt ya think it would be legalized by now?

You don't know how much you just pissed me off with this statement. Do you know how many HORRIBLE medications are used every single day? Do you know the ****ing horrible side effects they can cause, and many of which I have personally experienced?

Look up Lithium and Diazepam... Read carefully and thuroughly.

Have you ever suffered from bipolar disorder? Have you ever gone through such a long and hard episode of depression that it's hard to breath... How about suffering from a dissociative disorder for 4 years and barely remember anything you've done or what horrible things are going on in your other life? Or not knowing what to beleive or what not to beleive...

I don't ****ing think so.

If you think all legal things are healthy for you or are better then ones that are illegal then you have serious problems...

PS: Didn't mean to sound that rude... Just had a very "strange" life and have had alot of bad experiences with legal medication.

[ohiochica]

if you dont mind i would rather discuss my personal life in a pm. but for teh most part to your questions......YES.

sorry for flying off the handle earlier, weed is a hot topic for me and has caused many horrific events in my life.

as for this thread, my intention was not to piss people off, so in that retrospect i am done with it entirely. if you would care to take this to pm thats fine if not please understand we have come from basically the same side of the street.

oh and no i dont believe all legal things are safe.......one major one is vaccines! and another like you mentioned is lithium. but ya know whgat it has helped way too many bp people to be discontinued.

[Addict]

Geez. You guys are really into arguing about this aren't you?

You're never going to convince the other side to believe your views. Especially on the Internet.

Some like it. Some don't. Some smoke. Some won't. Its all about preferences. Try not to control what others do. If you do you'll spend far too much time & energy on them instead of yourself.

Well I'm out for the night............

[melteye]

My point is that Marijuana has helped me in many ways, and medication that was given to me for the last 8 years has done horrible things to my mind.

I know where your coming from though, I spent about 150 hours interviewing and evaluating drug addicts (mostly cocaine and heroine) and their stories weren't very nice... Disturbed me greatly.

And Civic, I'm not trying to make people who dislike pot go out and get high :) I'm just trying to lessen the insults towards responsible marijuana users.

I have bipolar disorder, marijuana helps me through the lows and allows me to remember childhood events better so I can deal with the memories. I have schizophrenia... Marijuana doesn't make this better but it makes corner-eye visuals less disturbing and not a big deal. Even if they are more frequent while high, but I don't recommend smoking marijuana if you have schizophrenia, some people can't handle the "20%" increase in psychotic activity while high. I am also obsessive compulsive, while high and 7-8 hours after the high OCD is not apparent in my behavior. I am anorexic, when I get stressed out I can't eat... If I try I gag. Obviously marijuana fixes that + a bunch :) Gained 10 pounds and I'm now a healthy weight.

What I dislike about marijuana is that for the first 40 minutes of being high it's harder to follow movie storylines... But my longterm memory increases an extraordinary amount. I also dislike the feeling of being slow, which can be fixed by lowering the dosage... But I need enough to stop my migraines which come daily so thats not an option.

The medication that was given to me for migraines and bipolar for two months was Vicodin (5mg hydrocodone 500mg acetaminophen). This drug makes me feel happy, it makes me eat more, it makes my mind clearer and schizophrenia stops completely... While on Vicodin I feel NORMAL... I'm not thinking about how horrible the world is... I'm just focusing on whats happening around me... and enjoying life.

Too bad it damages your liver... and is a very addictive drug with many side effects (mostly from longterm use... which isnt legal). So continuing on that medication was not an option.

Have to deal with what you can find... And so far after dozens of pills and shots (doctors, not illegal drug use) with no luck I found two drugs that work... Opiates (Hydrocodone) fix everything, and Marijuana fix's most and adds a few more small problems.

[Addict]

melteye,

Man that's pretty ****ed up. Prescription drugs are horrible. I definately see your side.:yes:

I mean when they prescribe something to resolve one issue and it creates 2 or 3 more, what the hell is the point? I personally refuse to take prescription drugs. I also don't take OTC drugs unless its an absolute need. I barely will take anything for headaches. There's natural ways to solve almost anything.

[fastasfoggy]

melteye.....
what is bipolar disorder? i have no idea about it except i heard ben stiller suffers from it too...and
have you ever seen a show on hbo called inside bellevue? its about the emergency room in new yorks bellevue asylum..its pretty interesting and really scary

[Spazum888]

either way.... as long as you keep it im moderation.... dont go over board wit it

[melteye]

Bipolar disorder (Manic-Depressive Disorder) is a mental disorder that causes extreme mood swings from depression to mania.

[SilverHX4Me]

Originally posted by melteye
Bipolar disorder (Manic-Depressive Disorder) is a mental disorder that causes extreme mood swings from depression to mania.

It can actually be a lot more invoved than that.. it leads to DID and all sorts of other mental disorders, serious suicidal thoughts/attempts and at many points not being able to tell if you're halucinating or something is reality.

not fun stuff, but VERY common... more people have it then know about it and it's usually not that severe of course....

[NewLude]

just from personal experience .. I have done it

Dont get me wrong, it was fun at the time, but I no longer do it.

I never did a lot of it, but a friend of mine woke up in the morning smoking a bowl, and had 2-3 throughout the day. He is someone I no longer hang out with, but I know that he likely still does MJ...

here's how my life went...

I stopped doing it, saved money.. got a good job.. and am now a manager at a HUGE company. When I got hired, they did a drug test, and here is the interesting part. I found out from the doctor who took hair from my chest to test, that in GENERAL companies other than law enforcement agencies, will only go back 3 months on your history. That is approximately 1 inch of hair for the general population. I however have VERY slow growing hair (yes yes.. im going bald) and had about 2 weeks before this test shaved my head down to 1/4 inch or so... so they had to take the hair from my chest. They didnt yank it, they actually cut it.. and they cut from various portions of my chest/stomach. I tested clean as I hadnt done MJ in like 3 years before that.

My friend however, works remedial jobs at gas stations and other places. I am not saying working at a gas station is bad.. but come on guys.. pay scales...

he makes less than 25k a year..

I make over 50...

now these facts aside.. I believe that law enforcement agencies will check back 1 year for controlled substances. This usually involves a spinal tap which can be painful as HELL. The main reason that BOBS INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY company wont do this, is because the cost involved. spinal tap 500+ dollars.. hair test... 150$. If you are going to find out that the person tested positive, how much do you really want to spend?

The other side of this, is that after you have tested once for BOBS INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY company, they generally wont ever test again, unless they have reason to suspect anything.. this can involve continually showing up late, sloppy appearance .. etc.

so your best bet if you choose to do this kind of thing, and I am not advocating this.. is keep aware of your self appearance as well as your odor. I can still tell when someone had smoked MJ by the scent on their clothes, and I am a ciggie smoker!

Just my 2 cents worth on the subject.

NewL

[melteye]

I dislike how you seem to think he is still in those type of jobs BECAUSE of marijuana.

[NewLude]

dislike it all you want, facts are facts. He has applied for better jobs, and been turned down due to drugs in his system. All his money goes tward rent, and MJ.... the guy weighed 230 when I met him.. yes a little overweight.. but last time I saw him he was probably 170lbs... he is 6'8 for gods sake.. thats UNHEALTHY and he looked gaunt and pale... because he spends all his money on weed rather than food.

now tell me.. why I shouldnt think that MJ has caused these problems with him?

I am SURE that there are other things going on with him that I am not aware of, but here is the kicker.... none of this started until he started using MJ.

riddle me this batman.. what is the one thing that all of these things have in common?

now dont get me wrong, I am not saying that EVERYONE who uses it is likely to end up like this. I am not even saying that 25% of them are. What I am saying, is that HE did, and 1 person is enough for me to choose to not ever do it again.

With you, I understand that it helps you with your problems of bi-polar disorder among others, and I am glad that you have found something that can help you with these things as they are all very troubling diseases. again, I am GLAD that you have found that weed will help you with this, however.. I dont know you, and thus I cannot attribute your successes to my RL friends' failures.

This was a post tward Spaz who was asking who had/hadnt tried it, and I was telling him MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES with it. I was not looking for approval from you.

There is a reason I dont get into political discussions and it is because its all based on openion.. guess its time for me to add another to the politics column of things not to discuss... drugs.

[melteye]

We weren't discussing opinions... Read for yourself.

Eh... I'm done with the conversation anyways. As for the losing weight... Most people gain weight on marijuana. And the job I understand, but if marijuana wasn't illegal that problem would never exist... That "side effect" is from our government regulations, not marijuana.

You know what I mean? :o

Anyways, see you all later.