Killed a neon fruit

[Grip72]

hahaha...i just frickin smoked a dodge neon. It was probably at least a 1995 (they all look the ugly same to me)
Anyways, i friggin hate neons. I just went to the car wash like 30mins ago and on my way home (when my ride was all sleek) a guy in a black neon ex or something pulled up to me at a red light and started revving. SO i looked to him and a couple seconds later, the light turned green. god i smoked him right off of the bat. Just revved first gear to about 5000 rpm (redline is about 6200rpm) and shifted into 2nd and quickly to third. I left him in my dust. Then came another light and he pulled behind me cuz he didn't want to race and lose again. anyways, the road narrowed to one lane and he was now beside me, unfortunately i had to go switch lanes cuz my lane merged..then he did the racer wannabe flybly..hahaha..stupid neons..die die die

[AzCivic]

Good job, stupid neons don't they know they cant mess with Honda power? Well now one more does! :D

[Wren57]

Haha you killed another neon too? Good job! I killed an uglyass purple on the other day, with the stock exhaust back on, right after I had put my mud tires on... the funny thing was, he passed me doing 60- i was 45... i gunned it, caught him in like 10 seconds and passed him... had to turn left when i got to about 90 so he flew by... haha neons and their flybys... oh well at least that way they THINK theyve won:D :rolleyes:

[Grip72]

I HATE it when people 'THINK' they've won..that makes me so pissed off! argh

[toykilla]

i dont think it matters what kind of car the person doing the flyby is in. ive had more honda owners do flybys after an ass whipping than any other kind of car. =/ nice kill

[97CivicFerio]

Flybys are for losers, regardless of the make of the car.

[KwikR6]

I raced a CRX the other night and he did the old fly by...I shut it down at 150KMPH and went down to 100 (which is the speed limit) and he did the old fly by thinking he won??? I hate people like that.

[Grip72]

I think they do flybys when they lose cuz they want to get home and work on their car so they can have a chance....or just to get home and cry to their mommas

[Addict]

Good kill.
Originally posted by toykilla
i dont think it matters what kind of car the person doing the flyby is in. ive had more honda owners do flybys after an ass whipping than any other kind of car. =/ nice kill
Originally posted by 97CivicFerio
Flybys are for losers, regardless of the make of the car.
:D :yes:

[Violent Apathy]

Yup I've had more honda's do fly bys than any other car..:crazy:

[accorrdd]

nice kill!! people who own neons need to recognize that their car is a POS...even stock we'll smoke their car....

[NiceRides]

How much horse power does a stock neon run on?? I have a friend who has a 95' neon and it's got some modifications to it like a ice man cold air intake, and a custom exhuast and no catylitic converter and some other lil things. And he won't tell me know how much horses he's running. I just got back from a lil street race and He just whooped a 00' honda accord v-tech ulev wit a ractive exhuast wit custom 2'' piping running through the whole thing and an AEM cold air intake. In the begining I surely thought dat he was goin to get a whoopin'. But..... He won like 1-1 1/2 car lenghts :eek: .SO i'm thinkin I have now chance to go against him wit my 02' civic Lx wit just a flowmaster full cat system:no: what do u guys think?

[mt.biker]

you people get fly bys? that never happens with me, but that must be because i normally dont back off. You gotta create some massive distance between the two of you. Thats the only way to "school" some wanna be ricer. Btw i'm begining to hate ricers... put them in a civic and i wanna :pukey :pukey

[Addict]

Originally posted by NiceRides
How much horse power does a stock neon run on??
Depends on the model. Here's the "high end" neon. http://www.edmunds.com/used/1995/dodge/neon/2drsportcoupe/specs.html?id=lin0066

[VR4_Craver]

After reading a post about a Neon smoking a civic (Civic vs Neon big surprise) it is good to see people that actually have sense. I hate all neons, and the general feeling is that they should just all blow up. :o

[Drunkalien]

Actually my mom's neon has no problem with keeping up with my buddies accord. He just wins cause his car is manual.

[GirlRacer]

:D Neon's suck. I always giggle when some guy rolls by in one all slanted over in his seat like it's kewl...those are the silliest looking cars. & definitely silly for men to drive. They think they're awful cool though.
:no: yea right.

[Rob]

Originally posted by Drunkalien
Actually my mom's neon has no problem with keeping up with my buddies accord. He just wins cause his car is manual.

What kind of Accord does he have DX, LX, EX?? And does he know how to drive??? :crazy:

[HoLun]

http://www.*****org hehe ;)

[Rob]

Originally posted by HoLun
http://www.*****.org hehe ;)

wtf???

[delsolvtec]

That neon SRT-4 is going to be a car to watch though. 215hp from the factory on a 2.4 turbo... 0-60 under 6 seconds. And under 20K.. I agree it still looks silly, but I'll bet it's a kick to drive.

[Rob]

even with that being said, it's still a Dodge....that's one American car company that I will never have interest in no matter what they come out with.......that's just me though....

[HoLun]

Check out the neon.org 's fourm, the "neon of the month" section, they got pics, some of them doesnt look that bad... :rolleyes:

[GirlRacer]

They're sooo....bubble shaped. It's werid kind of :D

[HoLun]

VW bugs are bubbly shape too.... :rolleyes: but wonuldn't it work better at high speed, since its.. "areodynamic" ?

[GirlRacer]

I guess that could be an argument....but I think I'd rather drive something sleek rather than having to explain that I drive a bubble b/c it's aerodynamic. :D
Just my opinion though...I'm sure there's people out there who love them as much I love my little CRX :bow:

[11secneon]

Your sorry little gokart has pathetic mods, you know nothing about neons, there is no ex moron, do you only know honda speak? I could take apart my whole car and put it back together flawlessly, can you change even your pistons? I bet you have never had your head off, if you had it would be ported and polished like we neonites do because we know a little something about cars.

So you smoked some dude that thought he was fast, so what. If I pulled up next to you, I would hand you your ass.

My car weighs 2400lbs have a 260 hp and 255 lbs of torque to the wheels bro!

I could pull up to any of you sorry ricers in your honda,hyundai,acura whatever.

You just wait till you see a neon srt it comes stock w/215hp at the crank, just wait till we neonites mod it out!:pfft:

Also the dodge razor is coming out soon specs:
250hp rear wheel drive 6-speed MSRP:15,000:eek: :bow:

hahahahahahahaha
lol

and you thought a 240hp honda accord was cool?
not since it weighs 3400lbs (gas mileage sucks too 21 in the city)

love your honda all you want
:pukey

[HoLun]

close this thread quick before it catches on fire...

[VR4_Craver]

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
even with that being said, it's still a Dodge....that's one American car company that I will never have interest in no matter what they come out with.......that's just me though....

You wouldnt even own their new hemi powered ram? Has anyone else of the "Ram Rod" its supposed to be a bigger souped up hemi:bow: Or what about the Dodge SRT-10? The viper powered truck definetly would like those but they are too expensive for me:mad:

[Addict]

Welcome to the board. On another note....

Originally posted by 11secneon
Your sorry little gokart has pathetic mods, you know nothing about neons, there is no ex moron, do you only know honda speak? I could take apart my whole car and put it back together flawlessly, can you change even your pistons? I bet you have never had your head off, if you had it would be ported and polished like we neonites do because we know a little something about cars.

So you smoked some dude that thought he was fast, so what. If I pulled up next to you, I would hand you your ass.

My car weighs 2400lbs have a 260 hp and 255 lbs of torque to the wheels bro!

I could pull up to any of you sorry ricers in your honda,hyundai,acura whatever.

You just wait till you see a neon srt it comes stock w/215hp at the crank, just wait till we neonites mod it out!:pfft:

Also the dodge razor is coming out soon specs:
250hp rear wheel drive 6-speed MSRP:15,000:eek: :bow:

hahahahahahahaha
lol

and you thought a 240hp honda accord was cool?
not since it weighs 3400lbs (gas mileage sucks too 21 in the city)

love your honda all you want
:pukey
Easy there Einstein. No one claimed to know the ins & outs of Neons. I can see how you'd be a bit offended by the title of this post. But relax. Its the internet.

What mods do you have that you can run 11 second 1/4s? Not flaming, just asking.

Its nice the Razor is coming out. Its still not on the market yet so I've yet to be impressed.

[Rob]

Originally posted by VR4_Craver
You wouldnt even own their new hemi powered ram? Has anyone else of the "Ram Rod" its supposed to be a bigger souped up hemi:bow: Or what about the Dodge SRT-10? The viper powered truck definetly would like those but they are too expensive for me:mad:
o.k., I take it back...I would own one of their trucks...a friends of mine had a '97 Dodge Ram (brand new at the time) and he let me drive it....that thing was ridiculously fast...

[VR4_Craver]

Originally posted by 11secneon
Your sorry little gokart has pathetic mods, you know nothing about neons, there is no ex moron.

My car weighs 2400lbs have a 260 hp and 255 lbs of torque to the wheels bro!

I could pull up to any of you sorry ricers in your honda,hyundai,acura whatever.

You just wait till you see a neon srt it comes stock w/215hp at the crank, just wait till we neonites mod it out!:pfft:

Also the dodge razor is coming out soon specs:
250hp rear wheel drive 6-speed MSRP:15,000:eek: :bow:


love your honda all you want
:pukey


First i want to congradulate you on the most grammactical errors in one post i have ever seen...I envy you:bow: Second what the hell are you talking about "there is no ex" uhhh i beleive he was refereing to the accord.... maybe thats just my out look on that. And what are you doing on a honda forum bashin hondas? Another thing, so you are saying that someone in an intgra type are pulled up to you (or the civic type r) you would hand his ass to him? I personally would love to see that. ( Boy we finally get rid of one and gain another. Can this place ever win?!?!)

[Grip72]

What are you doing here with a neon anyways?..personally, i'd rather drive my accord, even if it is slower, over a neon any day. I mean, god look at those neons..what is it?? I know my car is not flashy or anything but its alot nicer stock vs. a stock neon...any day

[firstgeardude]

Originally posted by GirlRacer
They're sooo....bubble shaped. It's werid kind of :D

tru.. all chrysler cars are like this....

and to wat accord 17 said... ya any accord over a neon

[Mike98Neon]

Let the flamewar begin. I've got a 98 Plymouth Expresso DOHC
5speed, that has about $600 worth of modifications. Best e.t. at Bradenton motorsports park was a 14.99 @93mph on street tires. Neons come bone stock with more horsepower, more torque than a crummy Civic any day of the week, with exception of the Si which has 160hp and 111 ft.lbs torque. The lowest model neon has 132 hp with 135 ft.lbs. torque at a lower rpm range. Any motor can make alot of hp depending on how fast you spin it, just because it spins faster doesn't make it better. Anyone who thinks that torque doesn't matter, well.....go read a book. Anyone who wants to challenge this notion, I'll be happy to supply you with enough reading to drown you peeps.
;)

All your Hondas berong to us :bow: :bow: :bow: :pfft: :pfft:

[Addict]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
Let the flamewar begin. I've got a 98 Plymouth Expresso DOHC
5speed, that has about $600 worth of modifications. Best e.t. at Bradenton motorsports park was a 14.99 @93mph on street tires. Neons come bone stock with more horsepower, more torque than a crummy Civic any day of the week, with exception of the Si which has 160hp and 111 ft.lbs torque. The lowest model neon has 132 hp with 135 ft.lbs. torque at a lower rpm range. Any motor can make alot of hp depending on how fast you spin it, just because it spins faster doesn't make it better. Anyone who thinks that torque doesn't matter, well.....go read a book. Anyone who wants to challenge this notion, I'll be happy to supply you with enough reading to drown you peeps.
;)

All your Hondas berong to us :bow: :bow: :bow: :pfft: :pfft:

$600 eh? Is that $600 nitrous by chance? Got any slips showing your 14.99 run? If its not nitrous what mods do you have?

[infil]

Hrmmm
bragging about a 2" exhaust? Wow, i'm impressed, it runs with that much backpressure? Cool. Yeah guys, I know its hard to stomach but neons dont need 10 grand dumped into em to smoke you guys with yere 4" ricecans and that crap. Hrmm, remind me what one of the fastest all motor fwd's is? OH yeah, A NEON. Do you guys actually think yer cool? I have no problems with any car thats built up right. Problem i have is w/ the ppl who cut their springs, put a stupidly large rice can in place of the muffler, and put a huge ass wing on the back of their heap and then think their badasses. From my experience....that covers most of the Honda, DSM, Nissan market.

OH, and no, i doubt a 14.99 is nitrous, nitrous throws neons into the 13's usually.

[Amethyst]

I just couldn't keep my mouth shut anymore. NEONS ARE NOT SLOW (2nd gens excluded)! With a driver that has half a brain cell, they can pull some impressive times for what they are. They weren't built to be gas-guzzling HP monsters. They were built as economy cars. However, with a tweak here and a tweak there they are amazing machines.

One of our guys here ran 11s and was still street legal. Think about it - a 4-cyl. 2.0L motor that runs 11s street legal. Yeah, it was still just a Neon - but it smoked just about anything it came across. (Incidentally, this same car is now in the 10s but isn't street legal anymore.) The fastest Neon in the world is about to break into the 8s.

Now I'm not dogging Hondas. They are nice looking in their own way. I'd buy a S2000 in a hearbeat if I could afford one - not because it's a Honda, but because it's a little convertible that looks good which is what I want for a 2nd car. My ex's 94 Civic looked real good - black, with red interior, white graphics and wheels. The thing with it though that killed me - it was a manual and had mods and I beat it in my automatic SOHC Neon. Not once, but 3 times. So it wasn't a fluke.

On the other hand - I had my ass handed to me by a modded Prelude once. That guy had dropped a TON into the car - custom interior, paint, graphics, and sub box, plus lots of stuff under the hood. It looked good, and ran like a champ. However, if I had the same mods he did, I probably would have taken him. (This is in my DOHC 5-speed that I have now.)

As far as attitude goes - most of the Neon people I know are awesome (my fiancee and I met at a Neon gathering). On the other hand, some of the Neon people are such assholes that they won't give you the time of day.

Most Honda people look at me and are like, "Oh, you have a Neon. It's a slow POS, blah blah blah." and are just plain ignorant. Here again though, I have met some really cool Honda people who actually took time to talk to me and get to know me for who I am, not talk shit on me for the car I drive.

It all comes down to attitude. Personally, I don't care what kind of car someone drives as long as they aren't a jackass towards me. In the end - image means nothing anyway: what matters is who you are.

Erin

[Addict]

Originally posted by infil
Hrmmm
bragging about a 2" exhaust? Wow, i'm impressed, it runs with that much backpressure? Cool. Yeah guys, I know its hard to stomach but neons dont need 10 grand dumped into em to smoke you guys with yere 4" ricecans and that crap. Hrmm, remind me what one of the fastest all motor fwd's is? OH yeah, A NEON. Do you guys actually think yer cool? I have no problems with any car thats built up right. Problem i have is w/ the ppl who cut their springs, put a stupidly large rice can in place of the muffler, and put a huge ass wing on the back of their heap and then think their badasses. From my experience....that covers most of the Honda, DSM, Nissan market.

OH, and no, i doubt a 14.99 is nitrous, nitrous throws neons into the 13's usually.
Civic's don't need 10 grand dumped into them either. Let's face it, neither side knows that much about the other. So let's not make assumptions.
You might look into the Prelude. Or perhaps a SpecV. They can show a Neon a "good time".
I'm not a fan of the whole big wing, clear tail light etc thing either. I can tell you that there's Neons around here that do that as much as the Civics. So its not a one sided deal.
That's why I asked. And it all depends on shot size too. Its not just 'nitrous' in general.

Originally posted by Amethyst
It all comes down to attitude. Personally, I don't care what kind of car someone drives as long as they aren't a jackass towards me. In the end - image means nothing anyway: what matters is who you are.

Erin
So true. I don't hate any cars. Its the driver that make the car. Its unfortunate that every car class seems to have a few assholes that make everyone else look bad.

[mt.biker]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict
So true. I don't hate any cars. Its the driver that make the car. Its unfortunate that every car class seems to have a few assholes that make everyone else look bad.
I dont know any assholes that drive Rl's around here, they have all been really nice whenever i've talked to them about their car and what they think of the newer models.

[Grip72]

:no: :eek: :crazy:

[11secneon]

hey everyone,

I'll see you in 20 years when my car is a classic and your car is a recycled aluminum can!

You don't see many classic :ricer: cars do you?
enough said



I have a 2.4motor w/aluminum flywheel, kevlar clutch with a t3 turbo what do you have?


LOL

I love my little go kart honda its so fast and furious

you've got to be kidding, with your underpowered all show and no go wanne be lowriders, get a real car

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[mt.biker]

Originally posted by 11secneon
hey everyone,

I'll see you in 20 years when my car is a classic and your car is a recycled aluminum can!

You don't see many classic :ricer: cars do you?
enough said



I have a 2.4motor w/aluminum flywheel, kevlar clutch with a t3 turbo what do you have?


LOL

I love my little go kart honda its so fast and furious

you've got to be kidding, with your underpowered all show and low go wanne be lowriders, get a real car

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Just because you dont have taste doesn't mean you can bash Honda's get out of her chrysler boy

[KwikR6]

ok guys this is getting old
Why come on a honda board and bash hondas. He beat a neon. Good for him.
And as for the time slip...yeah I would like to see your 14.99. My shitty little aluminum can has beat neons before. Big deal. drop it.

[Mike98Neon]

LEFT. . . .
Car #...57
Class...
DIAL...
R/T... .544
60'... 1.992
330... 6.851
1/8... 9.791
MPH... 73.08
1000... 13.599

1/4... 14.996
MPH... 93.62


No nitrous...

Mopar ECU.....................$100
Mopar header................$ 40
Mopar short throw $100
Mopar CAI $100
FMM...............................$ 25
Tsudo DTM $190
VHONG spacer $ 8

Total $563 dollars

:crazy: :bow: :pfft: :pfft: :crazy:

[Addict]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
LEFT. . . .
Car #...57
Class...
DIAL...
R/T... .544
60'... 1.992
330... 6.851
1/8... 9.791
MPH... 73.08
1000... 13.599

1/4... 14.996
MPH... 93.62


No nitrous...

Mopar ECU.....................$100
Mopar header................$ 40
Mopar short throw $100
Mopar CAI $100
FMM...............................$ 25
Tsudo DTM $190
VHONG spacer $ 8

Total $563 dollars

:crazy: :bow: :pfft: :pfft: :crazy:
Where'd you get a Mopar ECU for $100? Most of the ones I've seen are $200+. What CAI do you have? The Mopar CAI goes for about $250. I'm not even going to continue on the rest. Did you buy these used?

Don't try to make yourself look good by saying you only spent $xxx to run 14.99. And I'd figure you for better times with that many mods.

[Addict]

Originally posted by 11secneon
hey everyone,

I'll see you in 20 years when my car is a classic and your car is a recycled aluminum can!

You don't see many classic :ricer: cars do you?
enough said



I have a 2.4motor w/aluminum flywheel, kevlar clutch with a t3 turbo what do you have?


LOL

I love my little go kart honda its so fast and furious

you've got to be kidding, with your underpowered all show and no go wanne be lowriders, get a real car

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Haha. You're joking right? You actually think a Neon is going to be a classic? I'm not saying a Civic will be, but come on. Neither ECONOMY car will be a classic. Not gonna happen. Now something like a WS6 or a Cobra R. Now those will be classics.

How much boost are you pushing? Just wondering because judging by your name you claim 11's in the 1/4.

[ChrisCantSkate]

dude.... dont make a fool out of yourself. a neon is a american civic. i eat neons for breakfast. at the track i goto (bithlo right by orlando) ive chased a few neons down when i get a crappy r/t or launch. im not saying they are piss ass slow, but dont think you have a great car. economy cars dont make it to be a classic, and up untill a little over 20 years ago japan didnt even import honda to america... so its REAL hard to have a classic honda. i think in 20 years, the NSX and sk2 will be classics, maybe the prelude.

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict
Where'd you get a Mopar ECU for $100? Most of the ones I've seen are $200+. What CAI do you have? The Mopar CAI goes for about $250. I'm not even going to continue on the rest. Did you buy these used?

Don't try to make yourself look good by saying you only spent $xxx to run 14.99. And I'd figure you for better times with that many mods.


The Mopar CAI is an Iceman, Mopar sells it out of their factory performance catalog. I bought all of the items used, including the header. And that's not a whole lot of mods. I/H/E + a short throw with a filled front motor mount (fmm) is hardly alot of mods. Next season I have some internal mods planned. Such as:

10.5:1 pistons
#16 Crane cams
Eagle Connecting rods
60mm TB
Oversized Stainless steel valves
Shotpeened rods
3 angle valve job
Crane Cams' Racing Valve Spring and Titanium Retainers
Blackdog motorsports long tube equal length header
Stage III drag axles
9" rage clutch

This should be able to get me into the mid 13's all motor at the current altitude I'm at here in Utah which is 7250 ft above sea level.

Budget: about $3,900 +565=4463 for a 13 second (12 second @ sea level) all motor car. Not the cheapest, but not bad at all.

All your Hondas berong to us :eek:

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
All your Hondas berong to us :eek:

do you want to know how fast i would be with $4000?

[HoLun]

I have a 95 neon brought new from the dealer in 95, fast foward to today, the neon got bad brakes (leaky wheel and master cylinders), replaced rack and pionion, paint starting to chip off the body, headlight starting to fog up because its cheap plastic and it cause 200+ each at the dealer for replacement (holy sh!t), Replaced Cat converter, and the PS pump is making noises now.

and my 91 Prelude, not thing wrong with it except the AC nob in the console fell off.

There are some good things about the neon, The stock stereo is awsome compare to other stock units, the sheet metal seems very thick.

also the neon suspension is ass compare to my prelude, may be because I am compare to a sports car... Working under the hood is an ass also, every thing is so cramped together, changing the light bulb is out of the question if you have big hands...

some economy car does make it to the classics, the 60's Ford Falcon is an example, I love classic cars.

I dont hate neons, I have one, It was good when it was new, but afte all these cocky neon owners show up here flaming, I am starting to change my view.

dollar for dollar compare to some of the imports, the quality of the neon is piss poor. Yeah it have lots of hosepower, but what good does it do if the wheels falls off....

[KwikR6]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude
do you want to know how fast i would be with $4000?
hahaha so true man:pfft:
they wouldn't hold up to you..hahaha...nevermind..with $4000 I would be hella fast also

[Mike98Neon]

I never said my method would be the cheapest. My goal is to have an all motor car in the low to mid 12's when I run at sea level. It'd take alot more than 4k to get a prelude even with an h22 to get into the same time bracket with only engine mods and pump gas and be a reliable daily driver while still paying for "family sedan" insurance. No forced induction, no nitrous oxide just internal bolt on parts. I don't think I'm being cocky. If you think I am because of these posts then okay ;)

[ChrisCantSkate]

$4000= turbo kit, cams, new head gasket. that would be 12 seconds, cause i can run 12psi then on pump gas safly. dont say family sedan crap man, keep the argument fair. you cant "own all our hondas" but exclude me cause i have a sports coupe.civic owners know they dont have the fastest cars on earth, and they modify them to be faster. owning a neon i'd think you would have a bit more knowladge of how slow cars can be made fast. you are proving to me that you dont. just remeber as fast as you wana make your car, for the same money, mine will be faster.

[AzCivic]

This is about the stupidest argument i've seen. My neon is better. NO my Honda is better. Who gives a ****.

On a side note: Neons look gay.

[KwikR6]

Originally posted by AzCivic
This is about the stupidest argument i've seen. My neon is better. NO my Honda is better. Who gives a ****.

On a side note: Neons look gay.
hahahahaha....
Originally posted by 4thGenlude
$4000= turbo kit, cams, new head gasket. that would be 12 seconds, cause i can run 12psi then on pump gas safly. dont say family sedan crap man, keep the argument fair. you cant "own all our hondas" but exclude me cause i have a sports coupe.civic owners know they dont have the fastest cars on earth, and they modify them to be faster. owning a neon i'd think you would have a bit more knowladge of how slow cars can be made fast. you are proving to me that you dont. just remeber as fast as you wana make your car, for the same money, mine will be faster.
:bow: :bandit: :cigar:

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude
$4000= turbo kit, cams, new head gasket. that would be 12 seconds, cause i can run 12psi then on pump gas safly. dont say family sedan crap man, keep the argument fair. you cant "own all our hondas" but exclude me cause i have a sports coupe.civic owners know they dont have the fastest cars on earth, and they modify them to be faster. owning a neon i'd think you would have a bit more knowladge of how slow cars can be made fast. you are proving to me that you dont. just remeber as fast as you wana make your car, for the same money, mine will be faster.

What I don't understand is why you're all bent out of shape over the argument in the first place. Why am I a moron for A. Owning a neon. B. wanting to make an all motor 12 second car. I never wanted to exclude your prelude from the whole bit. What I am saying is that when comparing a compact sedan (civic) to a compact sedan (neon). The neon walks all over the competition at each and every level of competition. Also the neons could give a very good run for the money on much more expensive cars, such as: The Prelude (comparing the same years) and the mustang and the camaro and a myriad of other cars, sometimes costing up to $10,000 more. Neons were designed from the beginning from Chrysler to do 2 things. 1. Be the roomiest affordable compact car in the market. 2. Be a serious contender for the scca grassroots road racing segment. Both of which have done very well. The Civic on the other hand was designed to be a fairly inexpensive compact commuter car that only became popular because of the fuel crunch of the mid 70's. The accord CVCC appeard in 1976 and I beleive the civic CVCC appeared in 1977. They boasted mpg ratings of over 46mpg and 68hp My 150hp expresso gets 46mpg with all the modifications I've done to it (which isn't much) What I find hilarious is that some of you folks can't stomach the facts and retort with "X cars are/look gay" then have the rest of the ones who are ignorant say "yah they do!" 4thgenlude, you're one of the few (from what Ive read so far) have a decent head on your shoulders and don't seem to spout off tons of ignorant garbage. What about your time slips and modifications to your car? I'd like to know. best e.t.?

[HoLun]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
What I don't understand is why you're all bent out of shape over the argument in the first place. Why am I a moron for A. Owning a neon.

Look at the first neon guy that post here, it is he who call us moron.


and here it is...

Originally posted by 11secneon
Your sorry little gokart has pathetic mods, you know nothing about neons, there is no ex moron, do you only know honda speak? I could take apart my whole car and put it back together flawlessly, can you change even your pistons? I bet you have never had your head off, if you had it would be ported and polished like we neonites do because we know a little something about cars.

So you smoked some dude that thought he was fast, so what. If I pulled up next to you, I would hand you your ass.

My car weighs 2400lbs have a 260 hp and 255 lbs of torque to the wheels bro!

I could pull up to any of you sorry ricers in your honda,hyundai,acura whatever.

You just wait till you see a neon srt it comes stock w/215hp at the crank, just wait till we neonites mod it out!:pfft:

Also the dodge razor is coming out soon specs:
250hp rear wheel drive 6-speed MSRP:15,000:eek: :bow:

hahahahahahahaha
lol

and you thought a 240hp honda accord was cool?
not since it weighs 3400lbs (gas mileage sucks too 21 in the city)

love your honda all you want
:pukey

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by HoLun
Look at the first neon guy that post here, it is he who call us moron.


and here it is...

Looks to me he was calling one person a moron. Do you speak like that for real or are you being sarcastic?

[KwikR6]

We all know what civics and neons were made for. Who cares. You've beat some civics, I've beat some neons. Good for both of us.

[Grip72]

Man.i never thought i would get s*** on for just saying I beat a neon..my bad.....p.s. I thought this was HONDAstyle.com....not NEONstyle.com?!? PERIOD

[monkut]

it shouldn't be that hard to understand why they would get upset.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
All your Hondas berong to us :eek:

i think you included me. i have nothign against you, nor anyone else how is in the car scene for tuning a car. but coming on here with a 14.9 second neon(which i will say is very fast from what ive seen at my track for those mods) saying you own all our hondas where thats what my car can run bone stock, you cant expect me to defend my car. i have more bolt ons than you do, and my car will probobly outhandle yours. i'd relly be interested in seeing your time slips of 12's with 4000 in engine work, cause thats ALOT of speed to get in a full interior all motor neon.

[Addict]

This thread is crackin me up.

Accord17, thanks for the " Killed a neon fruit" title. You've seemed to successfully piss off every Neon owner.:o

Neons are the American equivelant to Civics. Face it. Neither are sports cars or were intended to be. But I think that's part of the fun. You can't compare a Neon to a Prelude. They aren't in the same class. Preludes are sport coupes.

Ahh.. Anyhow. Carry on with the pointless arguing.:cigar:

[Mike98Neon]

Quoting Motor Trend (which is partially owned by General Motors) They did some tests of the neon on a skidpad, BMG" noted that Motor Trend ran a 2000 Neon ES in the slalom at 64.9 mph... Considering a Neon ES is only riding on 15 inch Goodyears, that's impressive. The Neon ES beat the AWD Suburu Impreza WRX -- which only managed a 61.4 MPH slalom! The Neon ES was also faster than a Pontiac Trams Am WS6 which only managed 64.6 MPH! (We suspect the Impreza out-accelerated the Neon, but since Neons start at $11,000 and the WRX is in the $20s, that's okay, right?)

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
Quoting Motor Trend (which is partially owned by General Motors) They did some tests of the neon on a skidpad,

Do you honestly think that a neon can give either a WRX or a Fbody a run for their money?

[Grip72]

Dumb dee dumb dumb dumb.....(thread that is..i'm relaly sorry)

[Mike98Neon]

Well, given that the writers for an internationally recognized automotive magazine owned by the largest automaker in the world are professional drivers, and every single one of us here (including myself) are not. I would trust their reporting a bit more than the predominantly ignorant comments of the participants of this or any other forum, (including myself). There are several internationally recognized authorities in the automotive publication world (and I'm sorry, SCC and Honda tuning aren't among that group) that have done articles on the performance ability of the neon. Magazines such as Motor Trend, Car & Driver, and Hot Rod magazine. None of which would have given a FWD compact the time of day. Keep in mind that the neon was first to be covered from that segment. GM got all in a tizzy over Len Ayalas 10 second street legal neon that they answered back with their ecotec monstrosity. It only took a budget of $43,000 to get that 4 banger into the 8's. Len Ayala about 9 grand, and alot of it his own money. Next?

[ChrisCantSkate]

im done with this thread, you continue to ignore any posts that you are wrong in. welcome to the board, and hopefully we can see eye to eye in another thread. a neon will not beat a WRX or a ws6 in a rally, road course or 1/4 mile or even hold the same numbers as the WRX on the skid pad, so that slolom time proves what? if it does please tell me, i am actualy asking

[Honda530]

This is so funny. The guy who said Neons own at every level. hav you checked the NHRA Sport Compact results lately?????
August 9-10
these are the winners in Turbo Magazine December 2002 Vol 18 no. 12

All motor Rx7 10.54@125
All motor Rx7 11.64@115 What no Neons

Street Tire Supra 9.46@153
Street Tire Supra Broke Oh man no neons here either darn

Hot Rod Civic 11.46@83
Hot Rod Civic Broke I thought the neons could have one that one

Modified Civic 8.41@173(Mr. Papadakis)
Modified Cavalier 8.41@173 Wow an american car

Pro Duttweiler Cougar 8.45@179
Pro Venom Tundra 8.66@146

Pro V8 Turbonetics Celica 7.16@195
Pro V8 Cougar 7.99@175

hmmm seems the neons did not place and this is the top level
I think its stupid of all neon people to come to a honda board and try to defen your cars. Its our board go to your own board. This is just pointless and you just ned to mind your own businuess and the main thing thats horrilbel about neons is those stupid bubble headlights. AHHHH If they got rid of those damn things the car wouldnt be so bad. Its just so dumb looking.

[Grip72]

Has anyone seen "bubble boy"...i haven't but i think he drives a neon? jfwy

[cashizslick]

Nice Kill, I hate stupid neons. They are ugly and slow.

Want to hear something funney?

At my friends autobody there was a 2003 neon in the shop for something stupid. Anyways, I poped the hood and the first thing i noticed was the PLASTIC INTAKE MANIFOLD. LOL

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by cashizslick
Nice Kill, I hate stupid neons. They are ugly and slow.

Want to hear something funney?

At my friends autobody there was a 2003 neon in the shop for something stupid. Anyways, I poped the hood and the first thing i noticed was the PLASTIC INTAKE MANIFOLD. LOL

Only reason to hate a neon is because you've been beaten by them over and over again. It's a composite intake manifold which is lighter than metal and for just plain ol' every day usage it's fine.

http://www.dacom-co.com/images/Neon/neon%20engine%20compartment.jpg 1st gen...

http://dgbrown.h-body.org/cars/neon/Engine%20front.jpg 2nd gen

Now here's an engine bay of a neon with an aluminum intake manifold. Wanna hear something funny? You can't spell. :pfft:

wanna see something even funnier? Heres a Honda engine bay with even more plastic. http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/3q00/honda/enginebaycloseup.jpg

[firstgeardude]

that honda engine that you're makin fun, or comparing, will put on many more miles than that chrysler engine

[Honda530]

Is that the Odyssey or Passport, CRV Engine???? I know its not any of the hondas that you compare your neon too. But hey wheres your comback about the saying how neons own in all areas of competition. I think I shut you up about that one.

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by Honda530
Is that the Odyssey or Passport, CRV Engine???? I know its not any of the hondas that you compare your neon too. But hey wheres your comback about the saying how neons own in all areas of competition. I think I shut you up about that one.

Oh wait, you're right, I did forget.

Name: Scott Mohler
Team: Mohler Motorsports
Class: All Motor
Hometown: Frederick, Md.
Birthdate: March 9, 1977
Car: 1998 Plymouth Neon ACR
Engine: 2.4-liter fuel-injected with Hilborn individual throttle bodies
Crew chiefs: Darrell Cox, David Mohler
Sponsors: Phatridz, Raceredi Performance, Speedesign, Extreme Paint & Body, Mickey Thompson, Driveshaftshop.com
Best e.t.: 10.624
Best speed: 128.04 mph
Career highlights: 2001 National Champion Pro Stock Runner-Up (NIRA)
2001 National Champion All Motor Runner-Up (IDRC)
Three national event wins
Quickest and Fastest All Motor Neon (2000, 2001)

(W) Scott Mohler ('98 Dodge Neon) 0.574 11.545 120.16
(L) Tom Fujita ('87 Honda Civic) 0.608 11.613 118.35
(W) Scott Mohler ('98 Dodge Neon) 0.603 11.443 120.77
(L) Pisarn Kamya ('90 Honda CRX) 0.862 11.832 113.52
August 11-12: West Palm Beach, FL (Moroso Raceway Park) Inaugural Hurricane Nationals
Winner: Scott Mohler - Plymouth Neon, 11.555 @ 117.26mph
Runner Up: Fred Ellis - Honda CRX, 11.720 @ 113.06mph
#1 Qualifier: Scott Mohler, 11.513 @ 117mph
November 10-11: San Antonio, TX (River City Raceway) Inaugural Long Horn Nationals
Winner: Scott Mohler - Plymouth Neon, 11.0631 @ 122.74mph

With the absence and reported retirement of the Phatridz Mopar Neon (aka “the Green Goblin”) of Mike Crawford, Len Ayala and his Neon were the only representatives of the domestic efforts - Ayala qualified third with a 9.56@145.30. Crawford and the Darryl Cox-headed Mopar team were actually on hand at the race with the team’s other car, Scott Mohler’s ten-second Neon, as well as showing off the soon to debut Neon SRT 4-door racer that will replace the “Green Goblin”. Angela Proudfoot slotted in behind him with a 9.98@140.17 -



Now call me nuts, but I don't see any hondas out there (that don't have the one piece front clip or 100% tube chassis) that are in the same time frames Mod for mod, neons dominate, there's your book, now buy it
:bow:

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
Oh wait, you're right, I did forget.



Now call me nuts, but I don't see any hondas out there (that don't have the one piece front clip or 100% tube chassis) that are in the same time frames Mod for mod, neons dominate, there's your book, now buy it
:bow:
mod for mod? is this a new type of racing? i always thought he who can build the better car wins? regardless of how it is achived

[ShEaNy]

wow that impressive numbers....i wonder how many mil. he put into it...;) :crazy: :eek: lol

[Maxvla]

lock for the sake of humanity.

[Maxvla]

btw... (L) Tom Fujita ('87 Honda Civic) 0.608 11.613 118.35
thats a 16 year old civic racing practically new neons.

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by sheany_91accord
wow that impressive numbers....i wonder how many mil. he put into it...;) :crazy: :eek: lol

By that do you mean millions?

Uh no. Nice try though :crazy:
Originally posted by Maxvla
btw... (L) Tom Fujita ('87 Honda Civic) 0.608 11.613 118.35
thats a 16 year old civic racing practically new neons.

They're in the same class by the rules set forth by the governing body. Just because he's running an 87 style platform doesn't mean he's running an '87 engine.

Name: Tom Fujita
Team: Team Portflow
Class: All Motor
Hometown: Carson, Calif.
Birthdate: Nov.12, 1964
Car: 1984 Honda CRX
Engine: B18A DOHC VTEC

Now I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the class that these 2 are running in are dohc all motor classes under 2.5l

Originally posted by 4thGenlude
mod for mod? is this a new type of racing? i always thought he who can build the better car wins? regardless of how it is achived

Well, in that case John Force has us all beat. That's why there are classes. I love how some of you Honda guys love to throw distractions around as cannon fodder when someone like myself post up these results as a bit of a reality check. One reason 4thgen why they even have classes is to keep the technology progressing for any given avenue of automotive aftermarket. (i.e. the sport compact market) see these guys are real drag racers in the real world. None of these ricer math people with mostly hand me down cars from mom and dad doing ricer fly bys. The reason I even came into this forum (other than a bit of fun by distributing in a mostly respectful way, some factual tidbits of information) is just to see where a certain discussion would take me. Now I never said that Honda was crap, I just see a whole lot of Honda people at the track that I run at, running sub 20 second 1/4 miles thinking they're the baddest people in the world. I'm just a sucker for heated debate :yes: :wave:

[AzCivic]

SOOOOOOOOO what are you trying to prove? That gay looking neons can be fast? Anyone who's in the sport compact scene knows that any car can be made fast.

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by AzCivic
SOOOOOOOOO what are you trying to prove? That gay looking neons can be fast? Anyone who's in the sport compact scene knows that any car can be made fast.

Nope, I've just proven that most Honda people resort to calling another car gay or another car *insert pre-pubecent insult here*

[AzCivic]

Actually you've proved that you have nothing better to do than go into a Honda forum and start shit.
I'm not calling your car gay, it IS gay. No self respecting man would drive one.

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by AzCivic
Actually you've proved that you have nothing better to do than go into a Honda forum and start shit.
I'm not calling your car gay, it IS gay. No self respecting man would drive one.


ROFL okay whatever, if you say so. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[Mike98Neon]

Oh and btw, what is a Civic Exa?

[AzCivic]

A Civic that came with all wheel disc brakes and ABS.

[Mike98Neon]

oh cool. :rambo:

[Addict]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
wanna see something even funnier? Heres a Honda engine bay with even more plastic. http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/3q00/honda/enginebaycloseup.jpg
Plastic covers. Not plastic critical parts. Just a note.

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict
Plastic covers. Not plastic critical parts. Just a note.

Okay, let's run off of your logic, addict. Those plastic covers, what do they do? Dress up the engine bay? Make it look pretty? The intake manifold does nothing but direct filtered air (preferably cool air) into the combustion chamber. It doesn't have to be an alloy. Although one thing does puzzle me about most FWD traverse mounted I4's. Why is the exhaust manifold in the front of the engine? When someone does an upgrade to an engine, the idea is to make the engine work less to expel exhaust gasses right? So with the design of (I think) all Honda fwd traverse mounted engines, the exhaust manifold comes out of the front of the engine and then goes underneath the block. This is (IMAO) a poor design. I then saw Tom Fujitas Civic with a tube frame and oh look, they mounted the engine longitude. That's not how they come from the factory (mount wise) I wonder how that made the transmission work, or did that have to be custom made too? Now look at the Scott Mohler car that is now using a stock 3 speed neon automatic transmission with nothing changed but a high stall torque converter. Oh that's right, Honda people don't like the word torque. It's something they don't know and understand. It's also something that most Hondas don't have (e.g. Civic Si 160hp and 111 ft. lbs. torque) If anyone can spin a motor fast enough, the hp numbers can be manipulated. Torque is the best determination of how well an engine performs overall. For example. A Ford powerstroke V8 diesel has higher a higher horsepower rating than a Dodge Cummins I6 diesel. Why? The powerstroke spins faster and has a larger displacement 7.3l to 5.9l But when you look on the road to see whats actually pulling more. It's Cummins I6's Why? Better delivery of torque. If you say this example doesn't apply to the compact segment, I'm sorry, you're truly mistaken. Torque (don't forget traction) is what gets you out of the hole in a launch. 90% of most races in a professional setting are lost and won in the first 330 feet.

[Addict]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
Okay, let's run off of your logic, addict. Those plastic covers, what do they do? Dress up the engine bay? Make it look pretty? The intake manifold does nothing but direct filtered air (preferably cool air) into the combustion chamber. It doesn't have to be an alloy. Although one thing does puzzle me about most FWD traverse mounted I4's. Why is the exhaust manifold in the front of the engine? When someone does an upgrade to an engine, the idea is to make the engine work less to expel exhaust gasses right? So with the design of (I think) all Honda fwd traverse mounted engines, the exhaust manifold comes out of the front of the engine and then goes underneath the block. This is (IMAO) a poor design. I then saw Tom Fujitas Civic with a tube frame and oh look, they mounted the engine longitude. That's not how they come from the factory (mount wise) I wonder how that made the transmission work, or did that have to be custom made too? Now look at the Scott Mohler car that is now using a stock 3 speed neon automatic transmission with nothing changed but a high stall torque converter. Oh that's right, Honda people don't like the word torque. It's something they don't know and understand. It's also something that most Hondas don't have (e.g. Civic Si 160hp and 111 ft. lbs. torque) If anyone can spin a motor fast enough, the hp numbers can be manipulated. Torque is the best determination of how well an engine performs overall. For example. A Ford powerstroke V8 diesel has higher a higher horsepower rating than a Dodge Cummins I6 diesel. Why? The powerstroke spins faster and has a larger displacement 7.3l to 5.9l But when you look on the road to see whats actually pulling more. It's Cummins I6's Why? Better delivery of torque. If you say this example doesn't apply to the compact segment, I'm sorry, you're truly mistaken. Torque (don't forget traction) is what gets you out of the hole in a launch. 90% of most races in a professional setting are lost and won in the first 330 feet.
The covers protect the engine and make it look pretty. Nothing worng with that. You don't think an intake manifold is critical then? Dunno about Neons, but Civics have a throttle body mounted to it. I don't want that on a piece of plastic. Not to mention if you ever decided to go direct port nitrous, you'd be tapping into plastic for your nozzles. Not good.
Kinda funny how you seem to drift from on topic to another.:D I doubt theres a huge difference in having the exhaust manifold in the front or in the rear. Not gonna argue with you on it becuase I don't have solid proof.
Lol. You apprently didn't look under my name. Lemme quote it for you "Torque? What's that?". Yeah I know Hondas are notorious for low torque. That's not to say that they are slow though. Granted torque gets you off the line, but somewhere down that line you need the HP.
Bah. Who cares about trucks. I wouldn't be caight dead in either of those diesel monsters. Just my preference though. Now maybe the new Dodge SRT that has the Viper's motor. But that's a different class of truck.

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict
The covers protect the engine and make it look pretty. Nothing worng with that. You don't think an intake manifold is critical then? Dunno about Neons, but Civics have a throttle body mounted to it. I don't want that on a piece of plastic. Not to mention if you ever decided to go direct port nitrous, you'd be tapping into plastic for your nozzles. Not good.
Kinda funny how you seem to drift from on topic to another.:D I doubt theres a huge difference in having the exhaust manifold in the front or in the rear. Not gonna argue with you on it becuase I don't have solid proof.
Lol. You apprently didn't look under my name. Lemme quote it for you "Torque? What's that?". Yeah I know Hondas are notorious for low torque. That's not to say that they are slow though. Granted torque gets you off the line, but somewhere down that line you need the HP.
Bah. Who cares about trucks. I wouldn't be caight dead in either of those diesel monsters. Just my preference though. Now maybe the new Dodge SRT that has the Viper's motor. But that's a different class of truck.

Well first off it's not plastic, it's a composite, just as strong as an alloy but lighter. And if you do go nitrous, then the nozzles can be mounted just about anywhere. Trust me, I've seen some wacky combinations. And your comment about the torque, at least you have enough knowledge to agree that torque gets you out of the hole, however, by the time your hp catches up, the 1320 is already over. An intake manifold isn't terribly critical for everyday driving, that's why the R/T and ACR neons have an aluminum one (as shown) and all the DOHC neons for the 1st gen have them as well, for higher performance, and someone is more likely to modify an ACR or R/T then say an ES neon. Even some of the early SOHC neons came with a cast aluminum manifold. And the neons as well have the throttle body attached to the manifold. The manifold doesn't move, why would it be critical then? Need proof that the exhaust manifold in front is not a wonderful idea? Imagine an engine as an air pump. The more efficiently air is inducted, then expelled, the more power you can create. So in looking at a Honda engine, the exhaust is in the front, this makes the expelled gasses have to travel farther and with more bends. More bends, slow the air down creating additional backpressure. Too much backpressure is a bad thing, too little is also bad. Another point. The catalytic converter is located very close to the intake system on a Honda, that means hotter air, and as we all know, Cooler air combusts better. Neon: air is taken in at the front, the intake manifold is also at the front, and the exhaust is to the rear. This is one of the many reasons the 420a is a better design then a good majority of Honda engines that are powerplants in the same classes. It's just logic. Think about it :yes: Oh and as far as drifting from one topic to another, I use examples to back up what I state as opposed to letting emotion control what I state. *car* is gay! okay I feel better now.

[Racing Rice]

Ill tell you whats gay.. Arguing about a bunch of economy cars.. Thats whats the gayest thing in this thread.

I say if you have something to prove take it to the track and stop posting stupid sh!t.

Any Sport Compact can be made fast. For god sakes Ive seen a Festiva run low 13s.. Cant we all just get along? Sport Compact is a sport that should be enjoyable. Im so tired of hear hondas are faster the Dodges, V8s are faster then 4 Cylinders.

Lets face it there will always be someone out there thats faster then you or me. :rolleyes:

Its usually the person with the newest technology and the most money to put into it.:o

[Addict]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
[B]And if you do go nitrous, then the nozzles can be mounted just about anywhere. Trust me, I've seen some wacky combinations.

Well not true. I stated direct port nitrous. The nozzles are mounted into the intake runners themselves.
http://www.nosnitrous.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/NOS/NOSNS/s04431NOS.jpg


An intake manifold isn't terribly critical for everyday driving, that's why the R/T and ACR neons have an aluminum one (as shown) and all the DOHC neons for the 1st gen have them as well, for higher performance, and someone is more likely to modify an ACR or R/T then say an ES neon. Even some of the early SOHC neons came with a cast aluminum manifold. And the neons as well have the throttle body attached to the manifold. The manifold doesn't move, why would it be critical then?
Plastic also retains heat better than metals. Meaning the intake charge will be hotter.
The intake manifold itself doesn't move. The engine does. Granted the composite is probably strong enough to take the jolts.

Need proof that the exhaust manifold in front is not a wonderful idea? Imagine an engine as an air pump. The more efficiently air is inducted, then expelled, the more power you can create. So in looking at a Honda engine, the exhaust is in the front, this makes the expelled gasses have to travel farther and with more bends. More bends, slow the air down creating additional backpressure. Too much backpressure is a bad thing, too little is also bad. Another point. The catalytic converter is located very close to the intake system on a Honda, that means hotter air, and as we all know, Cooler air combusts better.
Still not buying it. The cat is not located near the intake on Civics.
http://www.siscom.net/~jdoles/images/si/00%20Civic%20Si%20-%20Engine%2003-03-02sm.jpg
The intake very far from the cat. The cat is located around underneath the floorboards.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
This is one of the many reasons the 420a is a better design then a good majority of Honda engines that are powerplants in the same classes.
i about fell out of my chair on that one. you think the 420a is better than a b-serise or h-serise? befor i comment i want your answer

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude
i about fell out of my chair on that one. you think the 420a is better than a b-serise or h-serise? befor i comment i want your answer

By that I mean power producers. Higher HP/Torque. It's well known that Honda makes a reliable engine, that's not the discussion, the discussion is power. Yes, I think that the 420a can generate more power than a b series engine.

[Addict]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
Yes, I think that the 420a can generate more power than a b series engine.
That's never a good argument. With money any engine can produce alot of power.

[Grip72]

How/can i close this thread or lock it??

[Rob]

Originally posted by Accord17
How/can i close this thread or lock it??
You have to be a moderator...why do you want it closed/locked??

btw, I see you started this thread, if you want it closed, I'll close it for you........just let me know.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
By that I mean power producers. Higher HP/Torque. It's well known that Honda makes a reliable engine, that's not the discussion, the discussion is power. Yes, I think that the 420a can generate more power than a b series engine.
just FYI someone i talk to in VA has a friend that has a b16 hatch with 512fwhp and is street driven, full interior and ran a 11.3 with 305fwhp

[Addict]

Originally posted by Accord17
How/can i close this thread or lock it??
You can't. You can unsubscribe to it in the User CP to prevent being notfied of new posts.


ps - this thread is fine. There's no name calling. Just debating.

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude
just FYI someone i talk to in VA has a friend that has a b16 hatch with 512fwhp and is street driven, full interior and ran a 11.3 with 305fwhp

Okay here's the classic Honda statement *a bit exxagerated but you get the picture*

. I know a dude that talked to my cousin once and was telling me about a fella that knew this guy who worked for UPS who delivered a dentist chair accidentilly to a doctor and the doctor got real mad and told him about his best firends neighbor who has a Yugo that has 1,000,000 hp and runs a .352 1/4 mile in sub-light speed.

I think we can dismiss the first quote. Unless you can back it up with an article in print, or a reputable website then I don't want to hear about it. It's the equivelent to ricer math. Oh and Uhm which is it. 512fwhp or 305? and if he's running 512 and can only muster an 11 second 1320, then something's horribly wrong. Oh and how much nitrous is the dude running? Next?

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict

ps - this thread is fine. There's no name calling. Just debating.

Yep and a heated debate it is ;)

[Addict]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
I think we can dismiss the first quote. Unless you can back it up with an article in print, or a reputable website then I don't want to hear about it. It's the equivelent to ricer math.

So then EVERYTHING you have stated is not factual? Hmm. Way to shoot yourself down.:yes:

[Mike98Neon]

What have I not backed up with articles or reputable websites?

[Addict]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
What have I not backed up with articles or reputable websites?
By that I mean power producers. Higher HP/Torque. It's well known that Honda makes a reliable engine, that's not the discussion, the discussion is power. Yes, I think that the 420a can generate more power than a b series engine.
Well first off it's not plastic, it's a composite, just as strong as an alloy but lighter.
Need proof that the exhaust manifold in front is not a wonderful idea? Imagine an engine as an air pump. The more efficiently air is inducted, then expelled, the more power you can create. So in looking at a Honda engine, the exhaust is in the front, this makes the expelled gasses have to travel farther and with more bends. More bends, slow the air down creating additional backpressure. Too much backpressure is a bad thing, too little is also bad
Neon: air is taken in at the front, the intake manifold is also at the front, and the exhaust is to the rear. This is one of the many reasons the 420a is a better design then a good majority of Honda engines that are powerplants in the same classes. It's just logic.
It'd take alot more than 4k to get a prelude even with an h22 to get into the same time bracket with only engine mods and pump gas and be a reliable daily driver while still paying for "family sedan" insurance.
I think that's all.

I wasn't calling you out on that stuff. You said it yourself. Not me.

[Mike98Neon]

hahahaahahah the examples you've chosen, LOL. Make it stop ;) you're making my sides hurt.


Look carefully at what you've quoted. You beleive the world is flat too huh? It's called logical fact, prove me wrong there Civic Addict. ;) :crazy: :bow:

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
Okay here's the classic Honda statement *a bit exxagerated but you get the picture*



I think we can dismiss the first quote. Unless you can back it up with an article in print, or a reputable website then I don't want to hear about it. It's the equivelent to ricer math. Oh and Uhm which is it. 512fwhp or 305? and if he's running 512 and can only muster an 11 second 1320, then something's horribly wrong. Oh and how much nitrous is the dude running? Next?
i'll see if i can get a dyno plot for ya, and i said the 11.3 was with 305hp. classic typical honda statment? your doing the same thing i am, but its ok that you do it. lets stay on a level playing field here. i want dyno plots for EVERYTHING you stated if your calling mine BS. want me to get

how about this for a non-vtec h23 motor?

Engine Modifications

H23A (non-VTEC)
Fully built motor

Custom Turbonetics 62-1 turbocharger (polished)

JE oversize pistons
Saenz connecting rods
Speed Sport Racing ductile iron sleeves
Blueprinted and balancing bottom end
Balancing shafts removed
Custom exhaust manifold and 3" mandrel bent downpipe

JG engine dynamics oversize stainless steel valves with titanium retainers
Speed Sport Racing turbo-grind camshafts
Speed Sport Racing throttle body
Custom head porting and polishing

Hondata engine management system (Stage 4B)
RC injectors - 720 cc/min
MSD 6AL ignition w/ MSD HVC coil
AEM pulleys
Holley in-tank and in-line fuel pumps

ACT clutch kit
SSR 3" mandrel bent stainless steel exhaust with Apexi turbo N1 muffler
Powerslot rotors with Hawk pads

Apexi GTR intercooler with custom endtanks & intercooler piping
Greddy Type-R Blow-off valve
Turbonetics Racegate wastegate
Guyon Racing twin pass, 2 core aluminum radiator
FAL fan, etc.

Performance to date on current setup (Sept 2002)

Dyno tested at 22-24lbs of boost on a Mustang MD250 Chassis Dyno:
491.2 wheel hp @ 7000rpm and 401.4 ft/lb torque @ 5900rpm

(DynoJet values expected - 530.5 - 550.1 whp & 433.5 - 449.6 ft-lbs torque)
(Flywheel expected values - >650 hp & 550ft-lbs torque)

Best E.T. = 12.3 @ 109mph
Best mph = 12.5 @ 118mph

Both runs were at 17psi & 3700feet (full interior)

thats an all show all go prelude. wieghing in over 3000 lbs. with less psi it is around 75-80hp less, and 3700feet KILLS times. 10 second prelude, but he has no LSD and cannot get traction for anything. this is probobly rice math though.

[Addict]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
hahahaahahah the examples you've chosen, LOL. Make it stop ;) you're making my sides hurt.


Look carefully at what you've quoted. You beleive the world is flat too huh? It's called logical fact, prove me wrong there Civic Addict. ;) :crazy: :bow:
Originally posted by Mike98Neon
IUnless you can back it up with an article in print, or a reputable website then I don't want to hear about it.
I'm not wasting any time on something you brought up. I have nothing to prove to you or any of the other Honda owners here.

Once again, you said it not me.

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude
i'll see if i can get a dyno plot for ya, and i said the 11.3 was with 305hp. classic typical honda statment? your doing the same thing i am, but its ok that you do it. lets stay on a level playing field here. i want dyno plots for EVERYTHING you stated if your calling mine BS. want me to get

how about this for a non-vtec h23 motor?

Engine Modifications

H23A (non-VTEC)
Fully built motor

Custom Turbonetics 62-1 turbocharger (polished)

JE oversize pistons
Saenz connecting rods
Speed Sport Racing ductile iron sleeves
Blueprinted and balancing bottom end
Balancing shafts removed
Custom exhaust manifold and 3" mandrel bent downpipe

JG engine dynamics oversize stainless steel valves with titanium retainers
Speed Sport Racing turbo-grind camshafts
Speed Sport Racing throttle body
Custom head porting and polishing

Hondata engine management system (Stage 4B)
RC injectors - 720 cc/min
MSD 6AL ignition w/ MSD HVC coil
AEM pulleys
Holley in-tank and in-line fuel pumps

ACT clutch kit
SSR 3" mandrel bent stainless steel exhaust with Apexi turbo N1 muffler
Powerslot rotors with Hawk pads

Apexi GTR intercooler with custom endtanks & intercooler piping
Greddy Type-R Blow-off valve
Turbonetics Racegate wastegate
Guyon Racing twin pass, 2 core aluminum radiator
FAL fan, etc.

Performance to date on current setup (Sept 2002)

Dyno tested at 22-24lbs of boost on a Mustang MD250 Chassis Dyno:
491.2 wheel hp @ 7000rpm and 401.4 ft/lb torque @ 5900rpm

(DynoJet values expected - 530.5 - 550.1 whp & 433.5 - 449.6 ft-lbs torque)
(Flywheel expected values - >650 hp & 550ft-lbs torque)

Best E.T. = 12.3 @ 109mph
Best mph = 12.5 @ 118mph

Both runs were at 17psi & 3700feet (full interior)

thats an all show all go prelude. wieghing in over 3000 lbs. with less psi it is around 75-80hp less, and 3700feet KILLS times. 10 second prelude, but he has no LSD and cannot get traction for anything. this is probobly rice math though.


And with all that only a 12.3 Even if you were to empty that car, you'd maybe only pick up 4 tenths of a second off the e.t.

Let's see, read this http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2002/news/070701.html
and umm....this
To the delight of the APC All-Motor enthusiasts, the crowd witnessed an all Maryland final as the Neon of Scott Mohler took on the CRX of CRX-guru Fred Ellis. Ellis would get a big .122-second advantage on the holeshot (.467 versus .589), but his Honda wouldn't have the horsepower to defeat the hard charging Neon that got to the finish first with an 11.555 to a losing 11.720. OWNED
which is located here http://www.dragracingonline.com/raceresults/idrc_8_1.html
And this
http://www.dragracing.com/sco/drivers/driver.asp?DriverId=1123

I'm compiling a list of engine modifications which I'll have by the time I get home from work tonight. Notice that there isn't any turbo or n2o and it's all motor Phoo you betta wreck an eyes :yes: :crazy: hehe
Granted this is all in good fun, I'm having fun are you?

[Addict]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
And with all that only a 12.3 Even if you were to empty that car, you'd maybe only pick up 4 tenths of a second off the e.t.

Granted this is all in good fun, I'm having fun are you?

Yeah I'm suprised he doesn't run faster than a 12.3. His trap speeds seem low for that many mods. Dunno. I'm not a turbo expert though.

http://www.zex.com/Gallery/MMP_4_06_02/
12.8 Civic Hatch.....
Go nitrous! :bandit:

Yeah..... I enjoy a decent debate. Now that people stopped calling names......

[ChrisCantSkate]

yeah, 12.3 is very slow for that, and the guy even admits that, it is traction. he cannot launch the thing without better drag slicks and a LSD. he will sit there and just smoke the tires

[ChrisCantSkate]

as long as this is in good fun, i'll have fun with you:bandit:

[ChrisCantSkate]

oh, one more thing, 3700 feet will take almost a second off your time. ask people who goto LARC with turbo cars, the air is real thin that high up. if that was down here in florida, on a nice day, we'd see low 11 second passes how the car was set up with 17psi. 24psi would be crazy.

[Mike98Neon]

3700 altitude does take off several tenths off of your e.t. however to lose a full second, given all the other conditions are similar (like air temperature, humidity percentage,barometric pressure, and track surface temperature) if I remember correctly you have to be at about 4600 ft above sea level. Interesting side note on altitude. In Florida their sea level is a bit lower then the sea level say in California. The Pacific ocean is higher (not sure by how much) than the Atlantic. That's one reason the Homestead motorsports complex (Nascar) sets alot of records for speed. The air there is a bit denser. Do you race at Bradenton?

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
Only reason to hate a neon is because you've been beaten by them over and over again. It's a composite intake manifold which is lighter than metal and for just plain ol' every day usage it's fine. .jpg[/img]

Listen, that composite junk you are showing me pics of is only used because it is cheep make, and light. There is no way that is gonna be as durable or safe as a metal intake manifold.

AND by the way, I have raced many Neons, and they have all lost badly.

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
Look carefully at what you've quoted. You beleive the world is flat too huh? It's called logical fact, prove me wrong there Civic Addict. ;) :crazy: :bow:


When a person does not believe something is true, they are not obligated to prove that.
EXAMPLE:
Let's put it this way, i do not believe in Aliens. If you do believe in Aliens, prove it to me.

Why are you in this forum anyway? Why dont you go make Neonstyle.com and make fun of honda's. (im sure your site will have some awsome tech threads about how to replace plastic intake manifolds.)

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by cashizslick
When a person does not believe something is true, they are not obligated to prove that.
EXAMPLE:
Let's put it this way, i do not believe in Aliens. If you do believe in Aliens, prove it to me.

Why are you in this forum anyway? Why dont you go make Neonstyle.com and make fun of honda's. (im sure your site will have some awsome tech threads about how to replace plastic intake manifolds.)

take it easy dude. he is making some points here, although he sees all hondas only altezzas and 6 foot triple deckers wings.

well with my job i got to drive a lot of neons (don't ask me about trim levels) and they all seem slower than dirt. there is even 1 there that has all the works with i/h/e and some cams and i really didn't see any difference in acceleration. they guy who owns it has a 2000 civic SI too and he said that the neon is a "picece of crap" he put less money into the civic and the results are far better than the neon.

[cashizslick]

True that, my bad. I kinda get fired up about this stuff. I havent read this thread in a while, and i assumed that since 4 pages were added since i last posted, that they were 4 pages of fighting.

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by cashizslick
True that, my bad. I kinda get fired up about this stuff. I havent read this thread in a while, and i assumed that since 4 pages were added since i last posted, that they were 4 pages of fighting.

no they aren't 4 pages of fighting. there are 4 pages of heated debate with clean posts.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
3700 altitude does take off several tenths off of your e.t. however to lose a full second, given all the other conditions are similar (like air temperature, humidity percentage,barometric pressure, and track surface temperature) if I remember correctly you have to be at about 4600 ft above sea level. Interesting side note on altitude. In Florida their sea level is a bit lower then the sea level say in California. The Pacific ocean is higher (not sure by how much) than the Atlantic. That's one reason the Homestead motorsports complex (Nascar) sets alot of records for speed. The air there is a bit denser. Do you race at Bradenton?
nah, i goto bithlo,bradenton is much better from what i hear.

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
no they aren't 4 pages of fighting. there are 4 pages of heated debate with clean posts.

I know that. That is why in my post i said I ASSUMED they were 4 pages of fighting. That is why I apologised for my post. And i must say that i am impresed that they are not 4 pages of fighting. That would never happen at some of the other forums out there.

[Honda530]

Well Mike neon guy after watching the NHRA Sport Compact last night I see that Scott Mohler is doing very well he won the all motor. Though he is the ONLY NEON who consistantly beats the other guys. So about you saying neons own at every level its bull shit. I saw a yellow neon get its ass handed to him. All the other classes where won by non neons. I would ahve to say that they dont own everything. Okay you ahve a winner in some other circuit but Im talking the about the big boys. I just think its funny that you keep going on about neons. I think you waste to much time on here when you could be elsewhere. Are you trying to convert us into people who love neons??? I mean come on. Thats like someone saying how Geo Metros own and are really fast. Its just dumb. Who cares what facts you bring up. Your just here to make people mad.

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by Honda530
I think you waste to much time on here when you could be elsewhere. Are you trying to convert us into people who love neons??? I mean come on. Thats like someone saying how Geo Metros own and are really fast. Its just dumb. Who cares what facts you bring up. Your just here to make people mad.

Couldn't have said it better.

[ChrisCantSkate]

i dunno about you guys, but i like the non-honda owners who come here and post constructivly, i've learned ALOT from them, not just the neons, but the DSM's a while back then the v8's that trickle in and out, and now the neons.if you go on supraforums.com or another website like that, theres alot of non-supra owners there. i think it keeps the board interesting. even on preludeonline, another board im a member of, theres alot of 240 owners and the admins are buying porsches now. other types of cars involved give that extra edge in posting.

[Grip72]

Ya...why can't we all just get along...just one big happy family...:pfft: .

..i know..i'll go punch myself in the head now, you dn't have to tell ME twice..

[infil]

Every comment i've made in this thread has been based off of what I see locally in denver. There are maybe 4 or 5 hondas out here that are what I would consider descently built up. Trenz(del sol), Phat 'n' Low(civic hatch) are both awsome cars, the paragon car wasn't too bad last time I actually saw it at the strip(paragon is on the way out from what i've seen).

I've never said hondas all suck, will say that most of the owners of those hondas, and especially nissans, tend to be dicks if you drive anything other than a honda or nissan. Trenz is really bad in that way, despite neons owning quite a few of the trenz cars, neons are still a waste of time in their eyes(2 neons pushin low 13's at 5830ft). I have no idea how much has been dumped into either of those cars, except to say they are both running HRC Stage2 kits.

I have as much respect for cars that are actually built up, not just running a rice can and altezzas as i do for any neon.

[foxygrandma]

not that anyone asked me but im gonna say something anyway. i like cars in general. i nicely built up neon is just as good ans a nicely built up civic. moslty what i see from neaon around here are falling apart pieces of crap. some are "ricers" and some are not. also more peoplel rice hondas cause their friends think its "cool". for the people that are really into building up cars and making them fast we should all get along and learn from each other and just have fun. thats what cars are all about

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by cashizslick
Listen, that composite junk you are showing me pics of is only used because it is cheep make, and light. There is no way that is gonna be as durable or safe as a metal intake manifold.

AND by the way, I have raced many Neons, and they have all lost badly.

That's fine, you may have beaten many neons. I'm willing to bet alot of them that you have beaten were DOHC automatics, which I'll admit are dogs when bone stock, however there are some fast ones out there even with an automatic. Explain to me this though. How is having a part that doesn't move, and that is not exposed to extreme temperatures, where does durability and interestingly enough safety enter into the equation? I'm not flaming, but serisously explain your logic. Another thing, what kind of times are you pulling in the 1/4? And don't say street racing. IMO street racing is nothing. There's no way to prove anything. The only proof in my eyes is a time slip (well maybe a dash mounted video camera but who's taking notes?)

[VR4_Craver]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
I've got a 98 Plymouth Expresso DOHC 5speed, that has about $600 worth of modifications. Best e.t. at Bradenton motorsports park was a 14.99 @93mph on street tires. Neons come bone stock with more horsepower, more torque than a crummy Civic any day of the week, with exception of the Si which has 160hp and 111 ft.lbs torque.


well i will take this one....

1.) WTF is an expresso next to something you drink.
2.) Ok your time slip? Nothing to brag about. You ran a 15 AFTER you dumped 600$ into.... Am i the only one thats sees the problem there?
3.) A STOCK neon with the 2 litre has 132 hp @ 6 grand and 129 lb-ft @ 5000.
4.)The 1.8 ltr has 115 hp @ 5750 and 112 lb-ft @ 4900. that is nothing impresseive.
5.) stock civic has the 1.8 ltr pushin 125 hp @4500 and 119 lb-ft @ 5000. I think the civic won by my calculations.
6.) i noticed you conveinently left any type-r cars...maybe that one was a coincedence....
7.) My brothers STOCK civic spanked a 96 Neon numerous times and everytime it was the same...
I just proved almost everything you typed wrong.....;)

[VR4_Craver]

Originally posted by infil
Hrmm, remind me what one of the fastest all motor fwd's is? OH yeah, A NEON.

Last time i checked it was the all-motor RX-7 that ran constant 7....but i could be wrong. That guy that showed me was a neon owner and his exact words were " You will never see an all motor neon do 7's." I agree and shook my head..:yes:

[HoLun]

fwd = Foward drive, RX7 is Rear drive

[VR4_Craver]

Originally posted by HoLun
fwd = Foward drive, RX7 is Rear drive

well ill be damned....i retract my statement then i have made a mistake....Sorry.

[HoLun]

we all make mistake sometimes :yes:

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by VR4_Craver
well i will take this one....

1.) WTF is an expresso next to something you drink.
2.) Ok your time slip? Nothing to brag about. You ran a 15 AFTER you dumped 600$ into.... Am i the only one thats sees the problem there?
3.) A STOCK neon with the 2 litre has 132 hp @ 6 grand and 129 lb-ft @ 5000.
4.)The 1.8 ltr has 115 hp @ 5750 and 112 lb-ft @ 4900. that is nothing impresseive.
5.) stock civic has the 1.8 ltr pushin 125 hp @4500 and 119 lb-ft @ 5000. I think the civic won by my calculations.
6.) i noticed you conveinently left any type-r cars...maybe that one was a coincedence....
7.) My brothers STOCK civic spanked a 96 Neon numerous times and everytime it was the same...
I just proved almost everything you typed wrong.....;)

Hmm, you're quoting the SOHC neon specs

95 Neon SOHC
132 hp @ 6000
129 lb-ft @ 5000.

95 Civic Si
SOHC VTEC
125 bhp @ 6600
106 lb-ft @ 5200

*Pulls out calculator*
Neon generates 7 more hp at 600 rpm less
and 23 more ft.lbs. torqe at 200 less rpm.


The 95 Neon DOHC has
150hp @ 6000 rpm
133 ft.lbs. torque @ 5600 rpm

95 Civic Si-R (JDM)
DOHC VTEC
160 bhp @ 7600
111 lb-ft @ 7000

*pulls out calculator again*
it takes 1,000 more rpms to gain 35 more hp out of the SiR engine. I find it rather interesting that if you divide the hp rating by the rpm you get 0.021 from the SiR then when you take the end result and multiply it by 5000 rpm which is the neon DOHC hp rating it comes out to 126 right back to the original specs of the SOHC engine. This leads me to beleive that the only way that they got that hp # is by spinning the motor faster. So, you say that the neon loses in hp/tq numbers. How? When the neon engine doesnt have to spin as fast and still generates more torque. Lets stay focused. Now lets say on this same logic tract, that the neon engine (DOHC) ran to 7600 rpm from the factory (it actually has a rev limit of 7350) under these same ideals the neon would generate 190hp at 7600 rpm and 166 ft/lbs torque @ 7000 Interesting huh?

[Addict]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
95 Civic Si-R (JDM)
DOHC VTEC
160 bhp @ 7600
111 lb-ft @ 7000

That's not the JDM version. That's the Si-R which is Canada's version of the US Si.
2002 Civic Type-R
200 hp @ 7400 rpm
145 lb-ft @5900 rpm

[Mike98Neon]

Addict, look a little closer, you posted the 2002 SiR specs. I was posting the 1995 m/y.

[Addict]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
Addict, look a little closer, you posted the 2002 SiR specs. I was posting the 1995 m/y.
SiR is different from Type-R. ;)

[Mushroom]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon

*pulls out calculator again*
it takes 1,000 more rpms to gain 35 more hp out of the SiR engine. I find it rather interesting that if you divide the hp rating by the rpm you get 0.021 from the SiR then when you take the end result and multiply it by 5000 rpm which is the neon DOHC hp rating it comes out to 126 right back to the original specs of the SOHC engine. This leads me to beleive that the only way that they got that hp # is by spinning the motor faster. So, you say that the neon loses in hp/tq numbers. How? When the neon engine doesnt have to spin as fast and still generates more torque. Lets stay focused. Now lets say on this same logic tract, that the neon engine (DOHC) ran to 7600 rpm from the factory (it actually has a rev limit of 7350) under these same ideals the neon would generate 190hp at 7600 rpm and 166 ft/lbs torque @ 7000 Interesting huh? [/B]

Not really. Your path here isn't relevant - the Neon engine loses its torque long before 7600 rpm, whereas the Honda motor is designed to keep pushing to higher rpm.

I agree that torquier engines are fun for city driving and useful for towing boats (I don't tow boats with my civic), but acceleration and lap times come from power output. The methodology behind all small engines (although the civic engine moreso than the neon engine) is to keep the engine smooth and able to rev high while still producing enough torque to peak the power curve later.

You're correct that "if the neon engine (DOHC) [could run] under these same ideals" it would produce more power. In other words, if dodge built the engine such that it could keep producing power at a honda-like rpm it would spank the honda engine. Duh, right? If I could build an 8L dump truck engine (max hp/torque around 1500 rpm?) rev up to 8k rpm with a flat torque curve, I'd spank all of you. But it can't.

I think you really have to look at the entire power curve to see what an engine does. The neon make power earlier but fall off and a typical honda engine peak (at more or less hp and likely less torque, depending which engine) at a higher rpm, with the torque curve staying higher longer.

I think I'm following your argument above; I just don't think it's particularly helpful, realistic or holds any water.

[Mike98Neon]

okay okay mah bad. I meant to be comparing the SiR specs DOHC to the DOHC 420a motor specs 1995 m/y

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
okay okay mah bad. I meant to be comparing the SiR specs DOHC to the DOHC 420a motor specs 1995 m/y
well, the 95 4 door GRS's had 170 or 180hp, thats still the 4 door family sedan catagory

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
That's fine, you may have beaten many neons. I'm willing to bet alot of them that you have beaten were DOHC automatics, which I'll admit are dogs when bone stock, however there are some fast ones out there even with an automatic. Explain to me this though. How is having a part that doesn't move, and that is not exposed to extreme temperatures, where does durability and interestingly enough safety enter into the equation? I'm not flaming, but serisously explain your logic. Another thing, what kind of times are you pulling in the 1/4? And don't say street racing. IMO street racing is nothing. There's no way to prove anything. The only proof in my eyes is a time slip (well maybe a dash mounted video camera but who's taking notes?)

I do not waste my money or time taking my car to a track. It is slow and i realize that, but it is still MUCH better than any neon i have raced.

I would assume that under hood temperatures are extreme temperatures that can melt cheap plastic.

I have raced 2 5-spd neons on an abandoned industrial street, from a dead stop and have beaten both badly.

[ChrisCantSkate]

http://www.rtky.com/93_honda_prelude.htm
wow... check that prelude out

[Addict]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude
http://www.rtky.com/93_honda_prelude.htm
wow... check that prelude out
:eek:

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by cashizslick
I do not waste my money or time taking my car to a track. It is slow and i realize that, but it is still MUCH better than any neon i have raced.

I would assume that under hood temperatures are extreme temperatures that can melt cheap plastic.

I have raced 2 5-spd neons on an abandoned industrial street, from a dead stop and have beaten both badly.

Ahh, I see, getting your car impounded, a sleu of tickets and an insurance hike is MUCH cheaper than going to the track. And I also bet that the time spent in court is also cheaper than going to a dragstrip. For the umpteenth time, it's not plastic, it's a composite. Like carbon fibre is a composite. I'd rather have a composite intake manifold than a carbon fibre hood. Assuming things gets you noticed :)

[AzCivic]

obviously the composite isnt good if they(chrysler) put an aluminum one on the higher end Neons, right?

[HoLun]

Composites are broadly known as reinforced plastics. Specifically, composites are a reinforcing fiber in a polymer matrix.

read about it here http://www.cfa-hq.org/composites.shtml

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by AzCivic
obviously the composite isnt good if they(chrysler) put an aluminum one on the higher end Neons, right?

The top of the line Neon SE has a composite manifold. The performance model (ACR-R/T) has an aluminum one to boost the performance and give tuners something they can enlarge and increase flow to the combustion chamber.

[mt.biker]

need i remind all of you that your talking about how great chrysler's are?

This must be one long joke thread because anybody who knows ANYTHING about cars knows that chrysler makes some of the worst cars on the market and I'm not saying imports rock chrysler's butt. The other domests are even better, I would take a ford over a chrysler anyday.

Took a 99 plymoth van camping and the dam parking break got jamed up when we used it on a hill. Then my friend owned a 93' concord, ha that thing was full of troubles from day one. 2 tranny rebuilds, link kit replaced and a number of other problems. If you guys were arguing about any other manufacture I might have kept my mouth shut but its chrysler, they make cars designed to be rebuild from the ground up after 60k.

Now can't we all just get along?

[mt.biker]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
Ahh, I see, getting your car impounded, a sleu of tickets and an insurance hike is MUCH cheaper than going to the track. And I also bet that the time spent in court is also cheaper than going to a dragstrip. For the umpteenth time, it's not plastic, it's a composite. Like carbon fibre is a composite. I'd rather have a composite intake manifold than a carbon fibre hood. Assuming things gets you noticed :)

Dont fool yourself, chrysler has not given you any carbon fiber in your car. I have worked with a number of "composites" if thats what you want to call them and everythign but carbon fiber and fiber glass are closer to plastics then they are fibers.

now lets try not to bash the guy for racing on a quiet road, aren't we here talking about cars? It looks to me that your all compairing dick sizes!

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by mt.biker
need i remind all of you that your talking about how great chrysler's are?

This must be one long joke thread because anybody who knows ANYTHING about cars knows that chrysler makes some of the worst cars on the market and I'm saying imports rock chrysler's butt. The other domests are even better, I would take a ford over a chrysler anyday.

Took a 99 plymoth van camping and the dam parking break got jamed up when we used it on a hill. Then my friend owned a 93' concord, ha that thing was full of troubles from day one. 2 tranny rebuilds, link kit replaced and a number of other problems. If you guys were arguing about any other manufacture I might have kept my mouth shut but its chrysler, they make cars designed to be rebuild from the ground up after 60k.

Now can't we all just get along?

This coming from (me) a former die-hard Ford fan. I spent 2 years working for a rental car company. We had just about every make model of car out there (all current model years) and the ONLY car manufacturer to hold up to rental abuse (and do I mean ABUSE) were the Chrysler products. Now, is this to say that Chrysler has always had a high quality product? No. They, like any other manufacturer has had and most likely will have issues. However in the last 10 years they've come a loooong way and the quality has made leaps and bounds in the right direction.

[mt.biker]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
This coming from (me) a former die-hard Ford fan. I spent 2 years working for a rental car company. We had just about every make model of car out there (all current model years) and the ONLY car manufacturer to hold up to rental abuse (and do I mean ABUSE) were the Chrysler products. Now, is this to say that Chrysler has always had a high quality product? No. They, like any other manufacturer has had and most likely will have issues. However in the last 10 years they've come a loooong way and the quality has made leaps and bounds in the right direction.

um not really, their trannies have been getting lower and lower rates as the years go by

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by mt.biker
Dont fool yourself, chrysler has not given you any carbon fiber in your car. I have worked with a number of "composites" if thats what you want to call them and everythign but carbon fiber and fiber glass are closer to plastics then they are fibers.

now lets try not to bash the guy for racing on a quiet road, aren't we here talking about cars? It looks to me that your all compairing dick sizes!

Well considering that I work for a large Chrysler dealer, I know what the manifolds are made of. I'm not bashing the other dude for racing on a quiet road. I'm saying that he's a dork for using the excuse "I'm not wasting my money by taking it to the track" that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. And another thing I never said that the manifold was carbon fiber. I just was comparing metal vs. CF as far as strength is concerned. Oh and don't say carbon fiber is as strong as metal.
Kevlar mixed with Carbon fibre maybe, but not Carbon fibre alone.

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by mt.biker
um not really, their trannies have been getting lower and lower rates as the years go by

And this came from the cracker jack box you opened for breakfast this morning? Lower rates how? Where are you getting your information? I'd like to know. If you say Consumer Reports you're not as "in the know" as you'd like to think you are. GM owns a good chunk of Motor Trend and Consumer Reports, so anything negative they have to say about any automaker is a crock. Period. You know that 9 second neon that Len Ayala is racing with? It has a STOCK Neon automatic 3 speed transmission with an aftermarket high stall torque converter. Next?

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
I'm not bashing the other dude for racing on a quiet road. I'm saying that he's a dork for using the excuse "I'm not wasting my money by taking it to the track" that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Listen, There are NO tracks within 2 hours of where i live. I will not get tickets because i rarely "race" my car. I am not going to spend alot of money going to a track when its 2 hours away and i have a car that will probaly run a low 16.

By the way, i think this is a perfectly valid excuse for not going to the track. Unlike most Neon drivers it seems, i realize my car is nothing special.

I also think it's much more fun to race through an abandoned industrial strip late at night than it is to pay money to race at a track.

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
And this came from the cracker jack box you opened for breakfast this morning? Lower rates how? Where are you getting your information? I'd like to know.

I'd like to know the same for you. Just because you say that you work for a chrysler dealership doesn't mean anything. For all we know, you could be the kid who washes the car windows and gets spray the cars with tire wet.

[Honda530]

NEON GUY why are still going on about neons. Your not going to convince any of us to join the dark side. There is no way you are going to win this arguement no matter what information you give people. We are all racers anyway. You know guys at least hes not some ricer neon guy whos has no clue about performance.
My parents had a dodge Caravan for a long time and they thing lasted forever and they drove it everywhere takinng me to soccer tournements all over teh south and we hauled a camper with it too.

[mt.biker]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
And this came from the cracker jack box you opened for breakfast this morning? Lower rates how? Where are you getting your information? I'd like to know. If you say Consumer Reports you're not as "in the know" as you'd like to think you are. GM owns a good chunk of Motor Trend and Consumer Reports, so anything negative they have to say about any automaker is a crock. Period. You know that 9 second neon that Len Ayala is racing with? It has a STOCK Neon automatic 3 speed transmission with an aftermarket high stall torque converter. Next?

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[HoLun]

lol :D

[ChrisCantSkate]

biker... hate to tell ya, honda trannys latly have sucked big time. its hondas biggest problem next to CV joints.

[mt.biker]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude
biker... hate to tell ya, honda trannys latly have sucked big time. its hondas biggest problem next to CV joints.
other then the 5sp problem I'm not aware of any other issues, my tranny works GREAT!

[ShEaNy]

plus there speed in low rpm has sucked too..lol me personally have nothing agianst neons...theres a sweet one N/A with hella lot of horse...:eek: www.extremecompacts.com

[ShEaNy]

lol i just realized i said speed....acceleration is what i meant.... whateve...u know what i mean...:pukey :ricer:

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by mt.biker
other then the 5sp problem I'm not aware of any other issues, my tranny works GREAT!
the 97+ prelude SS tranny is horrible, my friend has a 96 lx auto, and he's having trouble(never nutral drops it or shifts through gears and dosnt even race it, another friend has a 96ex 5spd, and 3rd gear took a crap, i know alot of 5spd owners whos syncros suck. i imagine they spent a tad bit more time on higher end acruas, but entry lvl honda trannys arnt what they should be

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by mt.biker
If you want to call me names, this is what i think of you and your neon.


Would you mind showing me where exactly I called you names?

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by Mike98Neon
And this came from the cracker jack box you opened for breakfast this morning? Lower rates how? Where are you getting your information? I'd like to know. If you say Consumer Reports you're not as "in the know" as you'd like to think you are. GM owns a good chunk of Motor Trend and Consumer Reports, so anything negative they have to say about any automaker is a crock. Period. You know that 9 second neon that Len Ayala is racing with? It has a STOCK Neon automatic 3 speed transmission with an aftermarket high stall torque converter. Next?

Do you know this person? Were you there when they installed it? Then how do you know its stock? Cause some magazine says it is?

[Addict]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude
biker... hate to tell ya, honda trannys latly have sucked big time. its hondas biggest problem next to CV joints.
Agreed. The B series tranny suck. Third gear seems to just 'disappear' on them. They have a recall on 99-00 Si's because of a 3rd & 5th gear issue. Fortunately i got mine fixed in time.:yes:

[Rob]

Is it just me or is anyone else curious why this thread is still 'alive'?? :confused: :crazy:

[Mike98Neon]

Originally posted by AzCivic
Do you know this person? Were you there when they installed it? Then how do you know its stock? Cause some magazine says it is?

Yes as a matter of fact I do know this individual. :yes: :pfft:

[Addict]

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Well this thread was good. Unfortunately its lost its luster....
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