Yes, I smoke [Archive]

GT40FIED

02-02-2006, 08:19 AM

Don't like second hand smoke? Either hold your breath until you pass out or get the fuck away from me. Either way, I win. Yesterday while taking a break from Korean class I stepped outside for a smoke. An older man (I can only assume another professor) walked by and sneered at me, saying "you know those things will kill ya". I looked him square in the eye and said "Yep...that's the plan fuckface". I'm sick of this shit. You can berate smokers and insult them and make them huddle in doorways like hookers. What if you're fat? I'd be willing to say that at least 95% of fat people are fat by choice. Excluding the ones with medical conditions (which is incredibly rare), the rest don't choose to have a proper diet or exercise. I choose to smoke. It's like a race to see who'll die first (again, I'll probably win). The problem is that you can't make fun of someone because they're fat. No...it's not their fault, it's McDonald's or Wendy's or who the fuck ever. McDonald's is just like any "big tobacco" company out there...they lie to you. You know the shit's bad for you, but you consume it anyway. But somehow smokers take the brunt of this more heavily. You see bullshit commercials on TV with fucktards saying "they lied to us, man" outside some corporate office. Of course they lied to you, you waste of sperm and egg...that's what drug dealers do. Nicotine is a drug and the people who sell it are dealers. The people who chose to consume it are customers who have no right to bitch when and if they get sick. "Well I didn't know it was bad for me". What the hell might have tipped you off? The cough?

As for you high and mighty non-smokers, I have a message for you as well. You're all going to die, too. I know that because you don't smoke, you retain some illusion of immortality. Wrong. You're dead, too. The difference is, I'm going to enjoy my time here by doing what I like. My mother always told me "don't knock it if you haven't tried it". Well, she's never had a cigarette and most non-smokers haven't either (but in my mother's case she won't stop bitching at me to quite smoking...just like most other non-smokers). So either join me in "flavor country" (even though I smoke Camels and not shitty Marlborors.) or kindly shut the fuck up.

sicones

02-02-2006, 08:41 AM

I smoked for a few years, then I woke up one day and never smoked a single cigarette again, its totatly fuckin pointless, and you just smell like shit and have bad breath all day...

ShEaNy

02-02-2006, 11:00 AM

smoking is pointless....kinda like life itself...ur right on the were all going to die part though..cant argue that...y not speed the process...:crazy:

pdiggitydogg

02-02-2006, 11:20 AM

My dad smoked since he was 12. Hes 53 now and looks like he's pushing 65.
I was around it on a constant basis ever since I can remember, until I was 13, when my dad moved out and then only every other weekend. I seriously cant stand it anymore.

Its everyones choice to kill themselves in any way. Im not singling out cigarettes, people that talk on their cell phones all the time will get brain tumors; people that drink diet pop or a lot of alcohol will get liver failure; regular pop? Diabetes.
Yeah, we're all going to die...I dont think that anyone is questioning that. They just want to die their own way.

I almost see it as like youre sharing it with them, whether they want it or not; just how smoking is. But think how youd feel if a really fat guy who over-eats was throwing burgers down your throat when you walked by?
Just my opinion, of course. Im not going to piss on you for smoking, and I dont think anyone else should either.
Personally, Id just like to die from my unhealthy eating habits and a heartattack/stroke, not any form of cancer...shit's wicked.

Oh, and on a sidenote... I could never be a smoker or heavy drinker. Im too lazy to go to the store when I run out. Even if I was already out doing other things, chances are...Id forget to.

AzCivic

02-02-2006, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by GT40FIED
As for you high and mighty non-smokers, I have a message for you as well. You're all going to die, too. I know that because you don't smoke, you retain some illusion of immortality. Wrong. You're dead, too. The difference is, I'm going to enjoy my time here by doing what I like. My mother always told me "don't knock it if you haven't tried it". Well, she's never had a cigarette and most non-smokers haven't either (but in my mother's case she won't stop bitching at me to quite smoking...just like most other non-smokers). [/B]

i think you're totally wrong about non smokers never trying it, most people have and realized it was a waste of time and money for something that makes you stink and ruins your health.

i don't say anything to people that do, thats their own choice, hell the tax they pay on them is probably helping our country quite nicely.

Robert

02-02-2006, 11:31 AM

Just because you choose to inflict smoking upon yourself, doesn't mean you have the right to inflict this on others.

The major difference between over eating and smoke is that very rarely do people die from sitting beside someone who is over eating. However second hand smoke does kill.

Smoking, is a problem, it will soon become the leading cause of death in Canada; I'm sure America is going to face similar issues.

After watching my fiance's uncle die at 56 yearsold due to cancer in the throat. I myself wouldn't be very quick to hang around smokers, or support any aspect of 'pro smoking'. He ulitimately died of starvation as his body shut down. The cancer was all throughout his body, too bad to treat. He spent the last 6 months of his life, alone, away from his family, in a hospital, in a great deal of pain and hooked up to a handful of machines.

Though his death was expected, the lives that it impacted was much greater then just one. Some people view that their deaths will not impact anyone but themselves. That tends to be a selfish view. I dont think you could ask any smoker who lost their loved one to their second hand smoke if there was a price greater then their life.

Racing Rice

02-02-2006, 11:44 AM

Wow, I don't even know where to start.

I do not smoke. I can't stand it, it makes me feel like shit just sitting around it and having to smell it. I try my best to avoid it, but sometimes you just can't. I don't have a problem with smoking outside, or in your car/house/etc. Smokey bars, I expect there to be smoke. The only time I have a real problem with it is at resturaunts that have inadequite nonsmoking areas. The ones that place you in a nonsmoking section that is close enough that you could reach over and take a hit off of the smoker sitting next to you without leaving your seat.

As for fat people. I don't pity them either. Fast food resturaunts are not the healthiest way to eat, this is no hidden secret. You still have a choice though, just like you do with smoking. Don't blame your weaknesses on the big name Companies. You could give up anything just like anyone else has. Whether you choose to do it or not is your own problem.

One last thing. I'd rather sit next to a fat person eating 12 bigmacs and 10 SuperSized fries then a smoker anyday. His diet, isn't going to affect me in anyway.

ChrisCantSkate

02-02-2006, 02:53 PM

i smoke, but i dont try and push it on anyone, and i respect the fact people dont want to be around it. shit when im not smoking i dont want to smell someones smoke blown my way so why would i smoke up an area that people dont wana have to deal with it.
second hand smoke killing? please its good and all in theory, but there is much more stuff out there you need to worry about. it can harm you, but not as bad as pollution. it comes down to choice, i think it is the worst think you can do to your body, worse than any drug or alchohal.

Wren57

02-02-2006, 03:22 PM

Just because you choose to inflict smoking upon yourself, doesn't mean you have the right to inflict this on others.

Exactly. Your analogy between smoking and being fat is horrible, mainly because when fat people eat, I don't get fatter. When smokers smoke, I have to inhale it and, am thus, less healthy. When was the last time you watched a fat person eat and ended up getting fatter yourself?

Also, almost everyone I know smoked at some point in their lives. Hell, I even smoked on/off for over a year. I quit last October and it was one of the best decisions I've ever made. I no longer smell like cigs, nor does my house, and my teeth aren't constantly being stained and I am saving lots of money.

If you like to smoke, have fun, knock yourself out. And yes, you will die sooner. That just means I get a few years of slightly cleaner air...

GT40FIED

02-02-2006, 03:45 PM

People's reactions to smoking never cease to amuse me. Everybody has horror stories about loved ones who smoke or have smoked...but you never hear the subject of the stories telling you to quit. Not one peron with a tracheotomy has ever come up to me and told me it was bad for me. Why? Because they get it. They understand what I'm doing. It's always their son/daughter/niece/nephew/third cousin's best friend pestering me with fake concern...like some sort of forced attrition.

And let's please not pretend that smoking is any more dangerous than breathing. All of the health risks associated with smoking also happen to a fair number of people who don't smoke. Lung cancer happens in a large cross section of smokers AND non smokers. Same goes for heart disease and emphysema. Smoking might increase those risks...then again it might not. A friend of my parents died from lung cancer despite the fact that she never touched a cigarette nor had she ever had any significant contact with second hand smoke. She was a nun for god's sake (I don't mean that figuratively...she lived in a convent). In contrast, my great grandfather smoked cigarettes AND cigars, drank too much, womanized, dumped salt on EVERYTHING and ate the fat off of steaks. He lived into his 90s, old enough so that he actually forgot that he smoked.

My point is thus...the older man who passed me on campus wasn't anywhere near close enough to catch more than a passing whif of my smoke. I wasn't harming him...hell, I didn't even look at him until he spoke. Yet in his infinite wisdom he decided to (I suspect knowingly) throw out his 2 cents just to piss me off. If I had money to spare, I would have dropped to my knees, thanking him for his wisdom then proceeded to crumple up the pack and throw it away before rushing over and tackling him full-force with a hug and thanking him for saving my life. Man...that would've fucked with his day. I'm not saying you have to like that fact that people smoke. Just don't act like you know any better than we do. Some day, if I get my wish, someone will tell me that smoking will kill me just seconds before crossing the street and getting hit by a bus. Holy shit...that would rule so hard.

Oh...and one other thing...the analogy to fat people has nothing to do with health risks. Well...sort of, but not really. My point is that although what they're doing to themselves is just as bad (in some cases worse) as what I'm doing, it's socially acceptable to hassle smokers. If you walked up to some land whale at McDonalds and told them while they were scarfing down some cheeseburger "hey...that's gonna kill ya" people would look at you like some kind of monster. Double standards are bullshit.

Wren57

02-02-2006, 03:57 PM

Your attitude might change if you end up like one of these poor folks...

http://whyquit.com/whyquit/NoniSeanBryan.GIF

Unless you are just depressed and have a death wish to begin with... which based on your cynicism, I wouldn't count that out, either.

AzCivic

02-02-2006, 04:14 PM

"Smoking might increase those risks...then again it might not."

there is no way you can honestly say that inhaling smoke on a regular basis doesn't increase your risk for disease. If inhaling a huge amount of smoke kills you (how most people die when their building is on fire) then a little certainly can't be good.

perhaps your great grandfather would've lived til 115 or longer with a healthier lifestyle.

Mischief

02-02-2006, 04:26 PM

i smoke like a pack a day.. and whenever someone says "those kill you" I tell them that's the whole point

Si-R CRX

02-02-2006, 05:22 PM

I used to smoke and I quit a year and a month ago. But if that's what you want to do then fuck it. And I fully agree I think if a fat person is sitting there cramming food down their throats then you should tell them that is disgusting and they should lose weight. But no that is insensitive to others or "overweight people". Some people I can understand because of medical conditions but being lazy and wearing out struts and seats is not a condition.

GT40FIED

02-02-2006, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by AzCivic
"Smoking might increase those risks...then again it might not."

there is no way you can honestly say that inhaling smoke on a regular basis doesn't increase your risk for disease. If inhaling a huge amount of smoke kills you (how most people die when their building is on fire) then a little certainly can't be good.

perhaps your great grandfather would've lived til 115 or longer with a healthier lifestyle.

Sure I can. In fact...I just did. Sure, I see a causal link between smoking and things like lung cancer...but there's no way to know if those people would've developed cancer anyway. Same goes for all the other surgeon general's bullshit. I'd rather do what I enjoy and take a crap-shoot than wonder what I'm missing out on. From everything I've seen and read, quitting smoking doesn't really reduce your risks of cancer, especially if you started early in life (which I did), so what's the point? Besides...the years you *might* lose are the ones at the end...the shitty ones. I watched a lot of men on my father's side of the family age into their 80s and it wasn't pretty by any means. Add to that the fact that due my birth defects I probably won't function well once I'm older, and I'm just not sure I want to live to be a senile 90 year old man who needs someone to wipe his ass for him.

As for my great grandfather, I'm sure his lifestyle wouldn't have had any effect on his longevity. He died in his sleep at 92 from natural causes. He never had any health-related problems due to the way he lived. Maybe old people are just tougher than people today. Hell...if you had lived through the great depression, you'd be one tough bastard as well I imagine.

Mischief

02-02-2006, 06:50 PM

they don't make em like they use to that's for sure.. i think my great uncle paul could have lost from his lower torso down and would have just complained about how the pants were new and now they're ruined

VR4_Craver

02-02-2006, 06:51 PM

AzCivic

02-02-2006, 08:12 PM

huh? yeah comparing inhaling alot of smoke at once and a little over you whole entire life, yeah thats crazy!!! what happens when you smoke like 5 packs one right after another? you feel like shit. Maybe that's your body telling you something, like "hello I need some freakin oxygen!"

why do smokers act like smoking is something to enjoy? face it, you smoke because you started because you thought it was cool and now you can't/are too lazy to stop. cool. unless you still think its cool, then I'll ask if your 16.

but whatever, smoke all you want and pretend like its even good for you. I don't really care.

GT40FIED

02-02-2006, 08:31 PM

People who smoke 5 packs a day are very rare...and they're usually compulsive. I've known a few of those people and most light a smoke, take a drag or two, put it out, and light another. I've never met a single person who smoked 5 whole packs a day. You'd have time for little else.

I honestly enjoy smoking. Most of the best conversations I've ever had have been over many, many cigarettes. Any smoker will tell you that when you start really getting into a conversation with anyone, the first thing you do is start smoking more. For as many people who delude themselves into thinking smoking makes you look "cool", there are just as many people who delude themselves into thinking that looking cool is the only reason anyone starts. When I started smoking I really didn't know what "cool" was. I had my first cigarette when I was 11 or 12 (however old I was in 6th grade...I didn't smoke regularly until I was 14 or 15). It was just something different. At that age I probably would've tried almost anything (and I did frequently) because that's what you do when you're that age. Didn't have anything to do with being cool.

Why worry about something that will kill you in 50 or 60 years when there are so many things that can kill you today?

AkimboStylee

02-02-2006, 10:02 PM

Well i use to be a severe chain smoker, untill i met my fiance, and now that we have a child on the way, i will be quitting, i mean i went from 2 packs or so a dy, to like maybe a third of a pack a day, and that has taken me six months. one of the good things to come from quiting smoking is the 25 dollars a week that i will be saving on cigarettes. but then again i guess raising a child is going to take more than that from my pockets. as for being fat: fuck you! (j/k) I am loosing more and more weight now that I have someone to encourage me, and i guess thats 2 people that are encouraging me.

a good quote: " I do have vices in my life, but those are what keep me from perfection, and not being perfect makes me a human being with morals" Anonymous

AzCivic

02-02-2006, 11:05 PM

I just try to be healthy in all of the decisions I make, whether its wearing my seatbelt, paying attention to traffic, or what I inhale. Living a long healthy life is my goal, but I know full well it can be cut short tomorrow. Can't dwell on it, and I can't live my life thinking it doesn't matter what I do since I might die soon.

speaking of health, anyone ever get a colonic? lol.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1504851

ChrisCantSkate

02-03-2006, 08:47 AM

smoking relaxes me. i dont think it makes me cool, shit i dont try to smoke in public places, except bars. it will take the edge off after a long night drinking, or sitting through a entire day of class. or after a nice dump, i dont push it on anyone, in the same way i dont want anyone to push me to stop. i know its addictive but i frequently will stop for 2 weeks jsut for the hell of it. maybe its me not being able to break the addiction why i start, maybe i have the will power to stop then i decide i want to smoke, not need to. i also stay ontop of my health and am more active than 99% of the people i know by running 3-5 miles a few times a week, and team sports i play. the only thinkg i dont like about smoking is the way i feel the day after with my endurance shot to hell, but then thats why i run as much as i do

Robert

02-03-2006, 10:01 AM

GT your arugements are weak...

GT40FIED

02-03-2006, 03:11 PM

I beg to differ.

AzCivic

02-03-2006, 06:03 PM

colonics make you feel good.

GT40FIED

02-03-2006, 06:49 PM

Dude...tell me you didn't go and get one. I mean I guess if I HAD to have something near my ass like a colonoscopy, that's one thing. I'm not going to jam something up my ass for recreational purposes.

VR4_Craver

02-03-2006, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by AzCivic
huh? yeah comparing inhaling alot of smoke at once and a little over you whole entire life, yeah thats crazy!!! what happens when you smoke like 5 packs one right after another? you feel like shit. Maybe that's your body telling you something, like "hello I need some freakin oxygen!"

Yes it is actually quite insane.To take in enogh smoke to kill you would require you to first (most likely) pass out from the lack of oxygen. Then however you still breath even though uncouncious. With smoking if you were to pass out the cigarette would no longer be smoked becasue well you arent coherent. Also, I honestly think smoking 5 packs a day is impossible (if not close). Probably after the 3rd straight pack you begin to vomit non-stop.

AzCivic

02-04-2006, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Dude...tell me you didn't go and get one. I mean I guess if I HAD to have something near my ass like a colonoscopy, that's one thing. I'm not going to jam something up my ass for recreational purposes.

oh I did. check out that link if you wanna see what I had to say about it.

AzCivic

02-04-2006, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by VR4_Craver
Yes it is actually quite insane.To take in enogh smoke to kill you would require you to first (most likely) pass out from the lack of oxygen. Then however you still breath even though uncouncious. With smoking if you were to pass out the cigarette would no longer be smoked becasue well you arent coherent. Also, I honestly think smoking 5 packs a day is impossible (if not close). Probably after the 3rd straight pack you begin to vomit non-stop.

pretending that smoking isn't bad for you is whats quite insane.

"Probably after the 3rd straight pack you begin to vomit non-stop. "

thats my POINT, you don't do it cause it makes you feel like shit. which is your body telling you that what your doing isn't good.

GT40FIED

02-04-2006, 01:09 AM

Well...all things in moderation. The sickness I imagine comes from the nicotine. While it's fairly harmless in low doses, in large quantites it's a powerful poison. Tons of insecticides re made with nicotine. But hey...you know what else is extremely widely used in small doses and fatal in large ones? Flouride. It's in your drinking water but it's also the main ingredient in many rat poisons. As an added bonus, prolonged heavy exposure to it will give you severe bone curvature problems. And take that anti-microbial dish soap that's all the rage these days. The chemical found in many brands, when combined with chlorinated water and sunlight, creates chloroform, which is a carcinigen. It's also great for knocking people out in movies.

Did I just compare nicotine to drinking water and dish soap? You bet your ass I did.

ChrisCantSkate

02-04-2006, 09:13 AM

steve you cant be serious, i mean i understand some people just arnt receptive to lung cancer, but smoking is bad for you, you cant tell me you can run as far or do as much stuff because you smoke. i love smoking, im not ripping on that, shit i went through an entire pack last night and loved every one of em, but be truthful with what they do to you so when it happens your not supprised

AzCivic

02-04-2006, 10:38 AM

i've never heard of someone vomitting from drinking water, unless they drank more than their stomach can/wants to hold. there's alot of things our bodies need that when in taken in huge amounts is bad. but last time i checked nicotine wasn't on the list. also nicotine isn't in cigars, but I'd think you'd get just as sick smoking a few big fat cigars one right after another.

Mischief

02-04-2006, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
i've never heard of someone vomitting from drinking water, unless they drank more than their stomach can/wants to hold. there's alot of things our bodies need that when in taken in huge amounts is bad. but last time i checked nicotine wasn't on the list. also nicotine isn't in cigars, but I'd think you'd get just as sick smoking a few big fat cigars one right after another. you don't inhale cigars...

AzCivic

02-04-2006, 11:25 AM

I've heard of alot of people who do, just like I've seen people do chewing tobacco and swallow that sick ass juice shit. There's also those little miniature looking cigar/cigarette things called Bidi's or something.

AkimboStylee

02-04-2006, 01:18 PM

I will never quit smoking cigars, and i goto a cigar bar up in orlando, its called coronas, and they have the best cigars ever.

Racing Rice

02-04-2006, 02:12 PM

You can die from water intoxication, but it is not because of the Chemicals in the water.

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/hydration/a/aa051200.htm

VR4_Craver

02-04-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by AzCivic
I've heard of alot of people who do, just like I've seen people do chewing tobacco and swallow that sick ass juice shit. There's also those little miniature looking cigar/cigarette things called Bidi's or something.

In chewing tobacco ther eis pieces of glass or fiberglass to put little slits into your gums so that it will get absorbed.

Si-R CRX

02-04-2006, 04:29 PM

No matter what you think smoking is bad for you but if thats what you want to spend money on then feel free. Like is said I use to smoke back when I was 17 and working at a mechanic shop i smoked 3+ packs a day no lie. And not that lite it and throw it out shit the whole thing. And now that I dont smoke I can actually run a mile or so without feeling like I am going to die. I can also smell 100 x's better. I look back now and think why the hell did I ever start?

AzCivic

02-04-2006, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by Racing Rice
You can die from water intoxication, but it is not because of the Chemicals in the water.

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/hydration/a/aa051200.htm

yeah its from having too much stinkin water. does that mean smoking is good for you? I don't need to read an article about it, when I was in basic training someone from another flight supposedly died from it. I wonder how many people die a day from smoking related health problems and how many die a YEAR hell a decade from drinking too much water???

AzCivic

02-04-2006, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by VR4_Craver
In chewing tobacco ther eis pieces of glass or fiberglass to put little slits into your gums so that it will get absorbed.

you are correct, and if you're a newb and you swallow that juice shit you feel like puking/dieing, its horrible.

AzCivic

02-04-2006, 10:02 PM

btw I'm drunk and yet I don't have any problems typing, lol. :D

pdiggitydogg

02-04-2006, 10:17 PM

You can also damage yourself from drinking too much water on a regular basis, because youre washing away enzymes and important bacteria that live in your mouth and digestive system, along with having a huge effect on your sodium levels.
Just FYI
It happened to my friends fiance...she always carried around a water bottle, thinking she was so healthy... Then she spent over a week in the hospital in a sterile room

AzCivic

02-04-2006, 10:45 PM

thats a rarity, the majority of people don't drink enough, then some take it to the extreme.

Mischief

02-05-2006, 12:06 AM

i'm going outside to smoke a cigarette right now.. in fact i'm going to sit outside with my fucking beer and chain smoke.. being depressed fucking sucks.. i hate love

GT40FIED

02-05-2006, 01:17 AM

I guess we're all learning slowly that just about anything can kill you. Flouride poisining, water intoxication, smoking, driving your car, etc. Just because it can, however, doesn't mean it will. Sure, I notice some effects from smoking (although Chris...I was never much of a distance runner. Even when I was in excellent, non-smoking shape I could sprint like hell but that was it), but it's obviously not enough to make me stop. And Rob...I'm not sure who you know that inhales cigars, but that's just about unheard of and incredibly disgusting. Cigars are all about flavor, they're not meant to be inhaled. Even I wouln't inhale a cigar. :loco: Personally, I don't care what you do as long as you doesn't hurt anyone and you take personal responsibility for it.

Robert

02-05-2006, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Personally, I don't care what you do as long as you doesn't hurt anyone and you take personal responsibility for it.

Smoking in public spaces does effect/hurt others. Thats why non-smokers dont like havnig smokers smoking around them.

GT40FIED

02-05-2006, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by Robert
Smoking in public spaces does effect/hurt others. Thats why non-smokers dont like havnig smokers smoking around them.

I seriously doubt the passing exposure to second hand smoke has any ill effect on anyone. Prolonged exposure, maybe. And that's a BIG maybe. The real problem is that so many non-smokers are such whiney little pussies that as soon as they smell smome they start bitching. If I pull up next to a car in traffic that's running rich I don't exactly appreciate the smell but I don't tell them to shut their car off. That's exactly what pussy non-smokers do (some of them anyway). They make a bunch of noise because you're smoking and they don't. Guess what. Fuck them. Smelling cigarette smoke for 30 seconds won't kill you. I, however, just might.

Nice try, tough.

ChrisCantSkate

02-05-2006, 10:08 AM

it varies alot from state to state with the public smoking laws and smoking indoors/in public, but around here its just kinda rude to smoke in highly public places like the front of a store or something like that. techniqualy 2nd hand smoke does have carsinagens in it, and inhaling any kind of smoke is bad for you, its not gonna hurt you from one pass, but if everyone did it, and over a long time second hand smoke has the potential to harm you. it comes down to why should the non-smoker have to inhale and deal with it. i dont like smelling smoke when im not smoking, so i can only imagine most people who dont smoke dont want to smell it either.

Robert

02-05-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Fuck them.

Your attitude stinks as badly as your smokes...

VR4_Craver

02-05-2006, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Robert
Your attitude stinks as badly as your smokes...

OR, it could be that their attitude (non smokers) stinks? Because really who are you to tell others what to do to their own body, wallet, appearence, and image? Everyone always says how america is so cool cause "So much freedom" then outlaw smoking? Bullshit anyone? Throw your fucking freedom out the window right there.

Wren57

02-05-2006, 11:21 PM

I choose to breathe tobacco-free air. You go against that freedom... majority rules, this is a democracy, majority doesn't smoke... so find somewhere away from the majority so you can smoke...

Because basically, nobody cares if you die from smoke. We just don't want to go down with you. Deal with it.

GT40FIED

02-06-2006, 02:20 AM

You don't have any sort of "right" to breathe a particular type of air. If you're breathing right now, you're breathing polluted air. If you had such a right, we wouldn't haved backed out of the Kyoto treaty. Come to think of it, that's a pretty ironic statement coming from a republican.

Edit: And no one cares that I smoke? Cool...then stop complaining.

Robert

02-06-2006, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Edit: And no one cares that I smoke? Cool...then stop complaining.

You brought it up...

GT40FIED

02-06-2006, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Robert
You brought it up...

Yes...I did. My point was that people should stop complaining about something they have no control over. How did you not get tnat?

Wren57

02-06-2006, 10:37 AM

We DO have control over it... it is called anti-smoking laws. Can you smoke in a restaraunt in NY or CA? No. I call that control. Once again, you are wrong. Stop talking now, please.

Robert

02-06-2006, 10:45 AM

Racing Rice

02-06-2006, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Yes...I did. My point was that people should stop complaining about something they have no control over. How did you not get tnat?

How does people complaining that you smoke differ from you complaining about people that complain?:crazy:

They have as much right to complain as you do to smoke, and depending on where you are you have less rights to smoke then complain. Maybe you should complain to law makers. I'm sure they care.

Wren57

02-06-2006, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Racing Rice
How does people complaining that you smoke differ from you complaining about people that complain?:crazy:

It doesn't... Steve just has his head up his ass so he can't grasp this concept.

ChrisCantSkate

02-06-2006, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Wren57
We DO have control over it... it is called anti-smoking laws. Can you smoke in a restaraunt in NY or CA? No. I call that control. Once again, you are wrong. Stop talking now, please.

FL is on that list too.

smoking is dirty, it gets ash every where, smells like smoke.. duh.. and if people dont like it, im gonna comply because there are laws that i want people to comply to they might not agree on, but thats just the way society works sometimes, and you godda go with it. on that note im gonna relax out on my balcony and have a smoke

GT40FIED

02-06-2006, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Wren57
We DO have control over it... it is called anti-smoking laws. Can you smoke in a restaraunt in NY or CA? No. I call that control. Once again, you are wrong. Stop talking now, please.

Yeah...that's all you man. We have laws in KS like that, too. The town of Lawrence (where KU is) passed a law like that...and it's been a disaster. Only about 1 in 5 think it's a good idea. Most of the non-smokers I know that live there even think it's a stupid idea. it pissed off businesses left and right...some so much they actually left Lawrence. The law was passed by the city council...not the people. Laws like that get passed by candy ass governments, not people. Look at California. If you can name a bigger state of pussies in the country, I'd sure like to know.

VR4_Craver

02-06-2006, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Wren57
I choose to breathe tobacco-free air. You go against that freedom... majority rules, this is a democracy, majority doesn't smoke... so find somewhere away from the majority so you can smoke...

We DO have control over it... it is called anti-smoking laws. Can you smoke in a restaraunt in NY or CA? No. I call that control. Once again, you are wrong. Stop talking now, please.

Im afriad that these 2 posts completely contradict themselves. One on hand we have rights...On another when it is more appropiate for your argument we dont have rights. The game isnt played that way. And yes, Majority does smoke. How many senators do you think smoke? You know what well go with your "majority doesnt smoke" argument and look at it this way.

1 (http://www.lookd.com/tobacco/tobacco-history.html) southern ecomomy depends on tobacco farmers...oh and another

2 (http://www.nnh.org/tobacco/a-8-2.htm) if you dont wanna read it it says that 38 BILLION dollars yearly are spent. Take that out of the economy and see what happens. Really think that we would be alright if everyone stopped smoking? Yes indiana has passed smoking laws. Who pays there? Bussiness because 80% of the customers smoke so when bussiness all leave because they cant make business you area property value drops drastically and you slip into poveryty level. You cant not possibly justify removing tobacco in america because You are not gonna be breathing any cleaner air you will be making less money and I would be surprised if anarchy doesnt erupt in the streets because of it

Robert

02-06-2006, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Look at California. If you can name a bigger state of pussies in the country, I'd sure like to know.
Funny cause the state generates enough business to be a small country. guess the law there hasn't really effected people.

You're a little backwards. I realize you want ot be right all the time but you're pushing this one a little too far.

GT40FIED

02-06-2006, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Robert
Funny cause the state generates enough business to be a small country. guess the law there hasn't really effected people.

You're a little backwards. I realize you want ot be right all the time but you're pushing this one a little too far.

Oh they generate money? Well then...I guess they can't be pussies if they generate money. It must also mean that everyone supports the law...because they generate money. Did I miss anything there? And it's not matter of wanting to be right. It's more that I AM right all the time.:D

More later maybe...late for class.

Wren57

02-06-2006, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by VR4_Craver
Im afriad that these 2 posts completely contradict themselves. One on hand we have rights...On another when it is more appropiate for your argument we dont have rights. The game isnt played that way. And yes, Majority does smoke. How many senators do you think smoke? You know what well go with your "majority doesnt smoke" argument and look at it this way.

1 (http://www.lookd.com/tobacco/tobacco-history.html) southern ecomomy depends on tobacco farmers...oh and another

2 (http://www.nnh.org/tobacco/a-8-2.htm) if you dont wanna read it it says that 38 BILLION dollars yearly are spent. Take that out of the economy and see what happens. Really think that we would be alright if everyone stopped smoking? Yes indiana has passed smoking laws. Who pays there? Bussiness because 80% of the customers smoke so when bussiness all leave because they cant make business you area property value drops drastically and you slip into poveryty level. You cant not possibly justify removing tobacco in america because You are not gonna be breathing any cleaner air you will be making less money and I would be surprised if anarchy doesnt erupt in the streets because of it

They aren't contradictory at all... in fact, they support each other. This is a democracy, most people DO NOT smoke (your info is wrong on that one). What would happen if the $38b of tobacco-related revenue was removed? Simple; people would spend their money on other things. Money just doesn't dissapear, it flows... it would just flow elsewhere. And no, the south isn't all tobacco-farmers you stupid ass... tobacco-producing regions are more in NC and VA.

Almost all of your data is wrong, and thus the opinions you share based on that data are wrong. Re-evaluate what democracy means... also rethink how economies work.

Saying I won't breathe cleaner air bc of anti-smoking laws? Thats simply ridiculous... I don't have to deal with cig smoke in restaraunts any more, because people can't smoke in them, hence the air is cleaner... I experience cleaner air on a day-to-day basis...

Besides, nobody likes smelly hair/clothes, yellow teeth and a hole in their pocket... its just trashy.

Mischief

02-06-2006, 04:50 PM

maine screwed over alot of businesses by first saying if they had a room in the building with venting they could allow smoking indoors.. and before most businsess even finished building the rooms they changed the law to no smoking allowed inside no matter what

VR4_Craver

02-06-2006, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Wren57
They aren't contradictory at all... in fact, they support each other. This is a democracy, most people DO NOT smoke (your info is wrong on that one). What would happen if the $38b of tobacco-related revenue was removed? Simple; people would spend their money on other things. Money just doesn't dissapear, it flows... it would just flow elsewhere. And no, the south isn't all tobacco-farmers you stupid ass... tobacco-producing regions are more in NC and VA.
Besides, nobody likes smelly hair/clothes, yellow teeth and a hole in their pocket... its just trashy.

You ignorant fuck. Perhaps if you looked at the link you would have seen this

"Some 130,000 U.S. farms grow tobacco, primarily in the southern states, and for many growers it constitutes their primary cash crop. The U.S. Department of Agriculture includes tobacco in its price support system, both because of its economic significance to the South--it is the seventh-largest U.S. cash crop--and because for many years it has been an important export commodity. American cigarette manufacturers also play a major part in the U.S. economy, earning millions from their domestic and their foreign sales"

What that says to me is that they are making a lot of fucking money and where does that money go? ECONOMY
Democracy means that the voters (american citizens) have power. When 80% (give or take) of american citizens smoke you really think they would pass anti-smoking laws? It seems that you are arguing because you are fucking delusioned. Honestly you dumb shit you think that an economy in a state like our could survive a 40 billion pull out? NO our economy would not flow. it would collapse because American dollars are going to foreign companys for the tabacco they supply.

Check it again ass fuck my data is correct you choose to ignore the facts. As far as cleaner air? Yea restraunt air will be cleaner. But unless you live in a bubble your retarded ass has to go back outside where....smokers are. Your argument is moot. You still havent tried to justify banning smoking. Because well you cant. Next time you sit at your computer I want you to go here (http://extremeriver.org/suicide/howtocommitsuicide.html) and then think if your post will ever help anyone

AzCivic

02-06-2006, 05:17 PM

are you saying 80% of the US smokes??? lol.

if there was no smoking, why would foreign tobacco come here?

CD5Passion

02-06-2006, 05:21 PM

everyone is crying about dirty air but for gods sake 90% of you would like to use vehicles that do far more harm to our breathing air than cigarettes

thats why i drive a low emissions vehicle:wave:

haha I dont care if people smoke..hell i smoked for a short while..as long as a smoker respects the fact that I no longer smoke I'm good

CD5Passion

02-06-2006, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Wren57

Saying I won't breathe cleaner air bc of anti-smoking laws? Thats simply ridiculous... I don't have to deal with cig smoke in restaraunts any more, because people can't smoke in them, hence the air is cleaner... I experience cleaner air on a day-to-day basis...

Besides, nobody likes smelly hair/clothes, yellow teeth and a hole in their pocket... its just trashy.

you may cut out smok from cigarettes but trust me you aren't breathing much cleaner air

enjoy

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- Sulphur dioxide (SO2). This contaminant is mainly emitted during the combustion of sulphur-containing fossil fuels, such as crude oil and coal. Sulphur dioxide concentrations in air have decreased in the past two decades, mainly because we use more non-sulphur-containing fuels for the generation of energy. Sulphur dioxide is a stinging gas and as a result it can cause breathing problems with humans. In moist environments, sulphur dioxide may be transferred to sulphuric acid. This acid causes acidification and winter smog.
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- Ammonia (NH3). Ammonia forms during agricultural activities. Ammonia plays an important role in acidification and eutrophication.
- VOC (Volatile Organic Compounds). VOC can be a range of different contaminants, such as carbohydrates, organic compounds and solvents. These compounds usually derive from petrol and gasoline reservoirs, industrial processes and fuel combustion, paint and cleanser use, or agricultural activities. VOC play an important role in ozone shaping in the lower atmospheric layer, the main cause of smog. VOC can cause various health effects, depending on the kind of compounds that are present and their concentrations. Effects can vary from smell nuisance to decreases in lung capacity, and even cancer.
- Methane (CH4). The main source of methane pollution is agriculture. But smaller amounts of methane can also be released during waste combustion and natural gas extraction. Methane is a greenhouse gas that contributes to the greenhouse effect and ozone loss.
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- Dust particles. Dust particles form a complex of organic compounds and minerals. These can derive from natural sources, such as volcanoes, or human activities, such as industrial combustion processes or traffic. Particles are categorised according to particle size. The smallest particles have the ability to transport toxic compounds into the respiratory tract. Some of these compounds are carcinogenic. The upper respiratory tract stops the larger dust particles. When they are released into the environment, dust particles can cause acidification and winter smog.
- Ozone (O3). Ozone is created through photochemical transfer of oxygen. This process takes place under the influence of ultra violet sunlight (UV), aided by pollutants in the outside air. Ozone causes smog and contributes to acidification and climate change. Ozone is an aggressive gas. Which can easily penetrate the respiratory tract, deeply. When humans are exposed to ozone, the consequences may be irritation of the eyes and the respiratory tract.
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Wren57

02-06-2006, 06:13 PM

Never claimed to be inhaling cleaner air outside... merely while enjoying a meal out somewhere I didn't have to cook.

Americans spent more money than they earned last year... first time in a LONG time this has happened. If people didn't spend $38b on cigs, they'd spend it on something else... like maybe a gym membership or something worthwhile. Thats how the economy works. Stats show people don't save money, so if you give them more money (remove cigs from their vice list), they will spend that saved money elsewhere, spurring the economy from a different direction.

I don't give a shit if you smoke outside or in your house, but inside in a public place is just rude. I wouldn't fart in an elevator (and I'm sure if 23% of people farted every time they entered a crowded elevator, they'd outlaw that too) and I wouldn't smoke next to an old lady eating a sandwich. It is simple courtesy, but trashy disrespectful fucks such as yourself weren't courteous enough to refrain from sharing your cancer with others, so laws had to be made. You couldn't govern your own behavior for the best of society, so the gov't did.

Only 23% of Americans smoke you stupid fuck. You are the minority and the majority makes the decisions. Fucking deal with it or go to France*.

http://www.acde.org/common/Tobacco.htm

If you want to argue/debate, do it like a man and use facts... not your "I have no friends to give me counter-opinions so I think I'm right at everything" female-styled emotional debate. Think I'm a close-minded jackass? I live with a socialist and a conservative hippy. Chew on that.

GT40FIED

02-06-2006, 06:55 PM

I like the "majority rules" argument. It's interesting...and irrelevent. The majority doesn't rule in this country nor should it because the majority is by and large phenominally stupid. A person is smart. People are idiots. Did majority rule in 2000 elections? Nope. One man got more votes, another man won because we have systems set up to make majority rule null. Plus no one in their right mind would call a bi-cameral political system a "democracy". A bi-cameral system is one of those "lesser of two evils" scenarios. We don't live in a democracy...there isn't majority rule...I smoke and there isn't shit anyone can do about it. I think that about covers it.

ChrisCantSkate

02-06-2006, 07:43 PM

wow 2000 election... please.

alright lemmi see if i remeber everything i wanted to say.

ah yes, smoking to support the economy. if anything smoking helps the government because of the high tax put on cigs, although as wren said, that 38 million would not disapear, it would be funneled into the economy anyways, since you can assume that the $3-$4 a pack you spend is part of your disposable income and would be spent anyways, or we could hope that it would not be included back into your budjet and put into investments stimulationg the economy much better, but doubtful that would happen.

crying for the farmers? ehh i'll get my violin. no one cared about the welfare of the liquor industry durring porhibition, no one cares about the multi-billion dollar cocaine industry in south america and how their families... shit how their county is going to get the income they need to stay halfway afloat. no one cares about the marajuana farmers in mexico, this is a evil industry, its manufacturing an addictive product that does do long-term harm to people. dont cry for them

pussies in cali for voting against it and i'll include all other states too... when im eating a $25 steak i want to enjoy it. i dont want to have to taste the cigerette smoke in the air giving my food an unplesent flavor. what about children who dont have as developed bodys and they have to hack away cause of second hand smoke, and dont tell me its a lie, i usta when my dad smoked around me, and he stoped cause of it.

air pollution... well its a situation that isnt easly tackeled but as i said earlier and other people did, indoors would be better, non smokers wouldnt have to smell/breathe it in. i worked in a resturant that we sectioned off the bar and had an air purifier in there, well it cut down alot, but you can still smell it if your not a smoker. it seems that smokers dont have as good a sence of smell, at least for cigs, and the remnents of it in the air is much more unpleasing for them as opposed to me(a smoker) cause i dont smell it.

I don't give a shit if you smoke outside or in your house, but inside in a public place is just rude. I wouldn't fart in an elevator (and I'm sure if 23% of people farted every time they entered a crowded elevator, they'd outlaw that too) and I wouldn't smoke next to an old lady eating a sandwich. It is simple courtesy, but trashy disrespectful fucks such as yourself weren't courteous enough to refrain from sharing your cancer with others, so laws had to be made. You couldn't govern your own behavior for the best of society, so the gov't did.

i think that sums up, its dirty, smells and shouldnt be empossed on people who dont want to deal with it.

and on that note i light up a nice fresh crisp parlement i stole from the hippie who lives next door

CD5Passion

02-06-2006, 08:06 PM

haha this thread is dumb as hell...anyone else remember what happened when the prohibition laws were in place?:D

GT40FIED

02-06-2006, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Wren57
Never claimed to be inhaling cleaner air outside... merely while enjoying a meal out somewhere I didn't have to cook.

Americans spent more money than they earned last year... first time in a LONG time this has happened. If people didn't spend $38b on cigs, they'd spend it on something else... like maybe a gym membership or something worthwhile. Thats how the economy works. Stats show people don't save money, so if you give them more money (remove cigs from their vice list), they will spend that saved money elsewhere, spurring the economy from a different direction.

I don't give a shit if you smoke outside or in your house, but inside in a public place is just rude. I wouldn't fart in an elevator (and I'm sure if 23% of people farted every time they entered a crowded elevator, they'd outlaw that too) and I wouldn't smoke next to an old lady eating a sandwich. It is simple courtesy, but trashy disrespectful fucks such as yourself weren't courteous enough to refrain from sharing your cancer with others, so laws had to be made. You couldn't govern your own behavior for the best of society, so the gov't did.

Only 23% of Americans smoke you stupid fuck. You are the minority and the majority makes the decisions. Fucking deal with it or go to France*.

http://www.acde.org/common/Tobacco.htm

If you want to argue/debate, do it like a man and use facts... not your "I have no friends to give me counter-opinions so I think I'm right at everything" female-styled emotional debate. Think I'm a close-minded jackass? I live with a socialist and a conservative hippy. Chew on that.

Wow...that was refreshing. You kids need to calm down. I'm having fun with this, but if it gets that out of hand I'll lock it down. That goes for you too, Mike. I mean it...I'll turn this car around.

See? Act like children, get treated like children.

On a side note. Wren...I AM governing my own behavior. Just because it's in a manner that you deem to be unfit doesn't matter. It's a personal freedom to do as I see fit. The government has no right to legislate it (or at least they shouldn't...for reference, see: "eminent domain"). If I had a dime for every report I had read in the past few years saying that second hand smoke isn't nearly as bad for you as people used to think, I'd have a shitload of dimes. I'm not "sharing my cancer" with anyone...they have the right to get up and walk away if it's offensive. Is it rude to think like that? Probably. Do I care? Not in the least. That's why I'd make such a great politician. I enjoy pissing people off, but unlike most politicians I'd do it outright. No dancing around it and shit. I'd punch babies and draw pictures of Hitler wrapped in foil pissing on Jesus just so when I did normal stuff people would be all relieved. Or something. That'd be so awesome.

ChrisCantSkate

02-06-2006, 10:50 PM

for as fair and just as you want everything you really enjoy shitting in peoples cerial. you can argue all you want but society works better when half of them arnt in discomfort or pissed off at the other half. so the solution was to ban smoking in public places, with some exeptions like bars, since its a higher concentration of smokers and/or people more tollerant of smoking. people shouldnt be allowed to smoke in hospitols, resturants, schools, malls, grocery stores, etc.. etc.. etc... what do you actually want fixed? people to say ok you can smoke where ever you want. what about the smell left behind? ever smelt a smokers car? and again after they cleaned it to de-stink it? smells not gone. i know for sure i wouldnt want someone smoking in my place of business smelling up my carpet and walls, getting smoke on my products...

see where im going with this? by saying you have to smoke outside or in designated areas your not being banned from smoking, but rather given a place much like a bar or even say a bike path where you can semi-safely use your device(whether it be a drink bike or cigarrette) without pissing other people off.

deep breath, exhale

society functions when it works together. why crap in the cerial

GT40FIED

02-07-2006, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
what do you actually want fixed?

Good question. I want people to just stop bitching. As a fellow smoker Chris, you've no doubt put up with it as well. People make comments, give you dirty looks even though you've never met them, and the government taxes the fuck out of you even though people with other addictions (say...shopping or over eating) get off scott-free. You're right when you said I like things equal. That's all I really want. I guess I also want the people who've been giving smokers shit for so many years to know how it feels. Right now I get treated like some second class citizen merely because of the fact that I smoke. Pretty fuckin' unequal.

I take it you've never been to Europe? It seems like everyone in Europe smokes. You can smoke in restaraunts, airports, shops, and just about everywhere else. And when I say you can smoke there, I don't mean they give you some little poorly lit corner of the place. You can smoke pretty much where you like. Smokes are relatively cheap and no one bitches about anyone else's smoke. The funny thing is, it doesn't really smell of smoke anywhere and the streets are surgically sterile compared to the U.S. (at least in western Europe). If Europeans can pull it off, surely we can since we like to think that we're sooooo much more inventive than they are. The fact is that this country is just plain unfriendly to smokers, and that's bullshit. Of course I realize there are places where people shouldn't smoke. Two you mentioned are hospitals and grocery stores. I wouldn't want ashes finding their way into my operating room or people ashing all over my food. Aside from that there's very little reason to regulate it anywhere else (perhaps a natural gas field). If you can smell smoke in a restaraunt then the restaraunt doesn't have good ventalation...it's not the smoker's fault (see: Europe). Maybe I don't want to smell the entree being served 3 tables over...and in a good restaraunt I won't. But if I do I can't very well bitch and whine like some little pussy. So yeah...it's all about being fair. Some non-smokers might sneer and say "well that's how we like it so we'll do how we please". Yeah...they're douche bags who like to feel special and/or important. Do you care what a douche bag thinks? I don't.

CD5Passion

02-07-2006, 04:22 AM

the only thing i can say about smoking..i can't stand smoke in a restaurant..i don't know how to explain it but I don't like to eat in a smoke filled room..but other than that I don't care. you can smoke in my car, you can smoke around me, as long as its an accident you can breath smoke in my face...if its done on purpose we may have issues:D

ChrisCantSkate

02-07-2006, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Good question. I want people to just stop bitching. As a fellow smoker Chris, you've no doubt put up with it as well. People make comments, give you dirty looks even though you've never met them, and the government taxes the fuck out of you even though people with other addictions (say...shopping or over eating) get off scott-free. You're right when you said I like things equal. That's all I really want. I guess I also want the people who've been giving smokers shit for so many years to know how it feels. Right now I get treated like some second class citizen merely because of the fact that I smoke. Pretty fuckin' unequal.

well, everyone treated unequal. i look down on people who randomly run their mouths on their cell phones in tight public places because its unpleasent to my hearing sence. kinda the same thing with the nose and smoke. i guess people in the mid-west must be more against it than down here because as long as your not steppin on toes blowin smoke at people no one cares, no dirty looks, none of that. but that most likely has to do with the fact im in a part of the city with almost entirly college students, who as a whole mostly dont give a shit. thus our different views on it and why im happy with how it is, or at least how its working for me here and now.

Robert

02-07-2006, 07:08 PM

GT for all the complaining you do I find it rather hipocritical of you to be complain about how the majoirty of people feel. Consider for a second that smokers, are in fact the minority.

The consumption of your product in public places and/or around other people/childern does negatively effect their well being. Granted the air quality in general is lacking, it isn't bad in all places.

The removal of smoking in some states has been for the betterment of the general public, and one step closer to the lowering the number of smokers in society.

For a man who quotes so much knowledge, is so well read and so well cultured about the ways of the rest of the world; you seem rather unable to see through your own pride.

Europe has smoking everyone, not everyone in europe smokes. I'm not sure whent eh last time, if ever you have actually been to europe; however you would notice they live different lives. They work differently, relax differently, eat/drink at different times and actually enjoy a higher rate of unemployement. To point to one aspect of europe (which is a collection of numerous countries) to state they are doing something correctly is to in large part ignore the larger picture. France which is one of the countries in europe and well known for its smokers; has been recently unable to control a sector of its polpulation who feel hard done by and have been rioting.

So i rather suspect you would just rather feel your point is correct then balance your arugment with facts, remove the conjector and attitude.

Get educated on the issues...

GT40FIED

02-07-2006, 07:44 PM

See...I don't get this big push to stamp out smoking. Some people complain about health costs, but I pay my taxes just like everyone else. And it certainly can't cost any more than unrelated heart disease, strokes, alzheimers, cancer, etc. etc. etc. I have been to Europe...spent two and a half weeks in Germany/Switzerland/Poland. You're right...they do live differently. They're happier. Much happier. They're more polite and helpful. As for the unemployment rate...I really wouldn't know. Then again, it's got nothing to do with smoking. So...moving on. I'm not sure if you're drawing a correlation between smoking and the riots in France...but what France does is their own business. Besides, that riot was largely the result of bitchy youth groups pissed at the way they were being treated by cops. Muslims are now making a huge deal about characatures of Muhammed printed in Finnish newspapers (then reprinted elsewhere), but smoking is rare in middle eastern countries. Would you like to draw the same comparison there as well? As much as you'd like to chide me for not throwing facts around like a monkey flings his own shit, I sure don't see you popping out any gems of knowledge. And I know why. This is, more or less, a matter of opinion. The beauty of opinions is that they're different from facts...hence the different words. I know you want to shove it down my throat that what I do will kill everyone everywhere...but I know better, so I stopped listening.

IALuder

02-07-2006, 08:08 PM

:clit:

Wren57

02-08-2006, 10:20 PM

Wish you could've seen the Daily Show tonight... reminds me of this thread quite a bit, and the "old man in sleeves" reminds me of Steve.

:D

Robert

02-09-2006, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by GT40FIED
I know you want to shove it down my throat that what I do will kill everyone everywhere...but I know better, so I stopped listening.

I've just discovered another side affect for smoking. GT thanks for helping with that.

Side affect 9483: Denial of the truh.

ChrisCantSkate

02-09-2006, 02:06 PM

both of you are taking is to the extremes, your not going to directly kill anyone because of second hand smoke, just like your not going to directly kill anyone from dumping oil into the drain, or burying your antifreeze in your backyard, but it seeps into our resources, mainly water contaminating it. once again wont kill you but will harm you. maybe not make you sick or give you cancer but if thats 0.01% extra in the supply then it adds up. or what about power plants buring off sulfer. once again its not going to kill you, but its an added pollutant in the air. the difference with that and smoking is smoke stays centralized, at least in its semi-toxic form, then disapates intot eh air where it cant be efficiently measuered over a population. but its similar to living in large industrialized cities with higher rates or pollution released compaired to rural areas, your going to have a higher % of people who contract airborne related illnesses, no matter what they are.

now lets look at 3 people, A B and C, one who visits boston(just an example, follow along) 3 times a week, then lives in the country for 4 days out of the week is exposed to that air X number of hrs per week. this is person A. person B lives there 24/7 and person C never goes near the city. all 3 have a probobility of contracting lung cancer just by their genetics, but assuming all is equal, then person A has the highest risk being exposed to it all the time, person B has a elevated risk due to the peacemeal exposure through the course of ther trips there and person C is at the baseline risk for avoiding the extra SO2 (sulfur dioxide) all together.

this is the same this as someone who smokes, someone who is exposed to second hand smoke when they go to bars, resturants, or anywhere else smoking is allowd, and person C is living in most of the united states where smoking indoors is not allowd indoors at all.

now theres a chance person B will experience any side effects, just like the chance person C will, but its all probobility, and the long term welfare for our entire country is what these laws are there for, and why people, even if they dont know it, dont want to be around smoke. they are not made and inforced for just some person in some spot in some instance of time. its much deeper than that.

heh my enviromental economics class in action

follow?