Civic si concept debuts in Chi-Town

[pdiggitydogg]

Story: http://www.honda-acura.net/index.php?categoryid=1&p2_articleid=128
Pictures: http://www.honda-acura.net/index.php?categoryid=3&p17_sectionid=4

200-horsepower, 16-valve, DOHC i-VTEC engine with an 8,000 rpm red line, mated to a close ratio 6-speed manual transmission. Helping to put all that power to the ground is a helical-type limited slip differential for improved launch traction and cornering performance.
4-piston Brembo calipers
Integrated center exhaust system



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Yeah....that rear spoiler is about as magnum neon-esque as you can get.
*sigh* I wish it had better suspension...

[ebpda9]

that car is hot even if it looks like a 3/4 of the accord coupe

[dabouncerx24]

So a RSX with a different chasis (hell might even be the same chasis). Boy oh boy it looks way better than I expected. Replace those TL style muffler tips with a good o' cannon style N1 muffler on the side and we have a winner. The fog lights can go also. Here we go again...Honda's back.

[JDMFantasy2k]

i like, bout time they put a real engine in it. And the brakes seem nice. Although the spoiler could match the car a little better IMO. Sick wheels and headlights

[Fatal070]

LOOKS GREAT!!!! O wow... I can't believe it looks so nice....;(

[ebpda9]

yeah, and no more hatchback. yay !!!!

[AzCivic]

something tells me they're not gonna make a civic that out performs the rsx-s.

[pdiggitydogg]

Even at current ratings its down 10 from the rsx-s...but the brakes are FAR superior to even that of the nsx @ 4 piston.
It will not surprise me at all if it gets rsx-s calipers and the old s k20a for a base of 200. Theres no way Honda of America will let a Honda be better than ANY Acura product...theyre just showing off a concept that will have pretty massive changes when it does come out (quote me on that)

[Fatal070]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
Even at current ratings its down 10 from the rsx-s...but the brakes are FAR superior to even that of the nsx @ 4 piston.
It will not surprise me at all if it gets rsx-s calipers and the old s k20a for a base of 200. Theres no way Honda of America will let a Honda be better than ANY Acura product...theyre just showing off a concept that will have pretty massive changes when it does come out (quote me on that)

True true...:no:

[AzCivic]

i don't know, i dont think they'll let a 10hp difference be enough. and has any american civic ever come w/ a LSD?

[pdiggitydogg]

Oh of course not, no lsd's here.
Like Ive been saying all along on this; I wouldnt put it past them to just keep the lesser k20a as in the currest si...but then again Honda needs something and they know it. If theyre to compete w/ the Cobalt SS, SRT4, etc, while retaining a loyal driver base...they need to step it up.
(Id be happy if they just went back to old suspension setups)

I would still buy a base Fit over this new Si. Better looks IMO (though Im sure you'll all disagree) and better price. (Still...with shitty suspension...but I guess the old days are gone, huh?)

[AzCivic]

are we becoming the old men of the muscle car era? what was" I remember when gas was 25cents a gallon, and engines had more displacement than a bathtub"

is now, "I remember when gas was a buck a gallon and Honda put an awesome suspension on a car that sold for a great price" ahahahhahaha!!

toyota doesnt have anything to compete w/ that segment, and they're #2 in the world now. so who knows.

[ebpda9]

i don't see anywhere in that suspension that this civic will have a shitty suspension, nor a great one. and btw accords abd the bigger cars still retain the double wishbone rear multilink suspension of the old days

[pdiggitydogg]

Yeah...we're becoming crotchety old men.
Toyota has the tc, which will soon be offered sc'd as an option. That will definately put it up in performance and more "tuner friendly" (you know what I mean). Then there's all that other Scion business that all the ricer people like so much, with their neon AT shift knobs, pivot bars, and subwoofers for triple digit figures factory options.

I didnt know that the larger cars came w/ double wishbones.... I just know that this civic, along with the current ones, integra, and fit, will have macphersons...and I dont like it.

[AzCivic]

toyota has the sc option for the corolla too, i think either one is a dealer install and not really a mainstream vehicle thing.

but, maybe i'm just bitter.

[pdiggitydogg]

Sc'd corolla option? damn really? Huh...
Do you know if they label it as a TRD option sourced through eaton?

[AzCivic]

hmm, not sure. i'll give my friend who works there a call and find out.

[AzCivic]

did a quick search and found this:(http://www.toyotaworld.com/specials/specials.htm)

The TRD 1.8L Supercharger is now approved for installation on all MY 04 1ZZ-powered Matrix and Corolla (except 4WD Matrix).
The 1.8L Supercharger offers a significant increase in power and torque and an additional 7.5 lbs of boost. The bolt-on unit is integrally cast and is equipped with new efficiency and performance enhancing features, such as a race-inspired supplemental injector for enhanced full throttle performance and an internal bypass circuit for fuel efficiency and smoother operation at low speeds.

Peak torque is 145 lb.-ft. supercharged @ 4000 RPM vs. 125 lb.-ft. stock at 4200 RPM. Peak horsepower is 166 HP supercharged @ 6800 RPM vs. 130 HP @ 6000 RPM. Approved for installation on both automatic and manual models, the Supercharger is fully warranted by TRD when installed by a Toyota dealer.

TRD has implemented a new part number change for all 2003-2004 1.8L Superchargers effective immediately. There is now one main supercharger assembly part number and a set of unique Vehicle Installation Kit part numbers that represent each individual 2003 and 2004 application as detailed in the chart below. Each Vehicle Installation Kit includes application-specific TRD supplemental ECU and hardware.

The Main Supercharger Assembly and a Vehicle Installation Kit are required for a complete installation.


Part Number Description Internet Special Retail
00602-17620-105 Vehicle Install Kit, 1.8L, 03 Matrix, Auto 1073.45
00602-17620-106 Vehicle Install Kit, 1.8L, 03 Matrix, Man 1073.45
00602-17620-107 Vehicle Install Kit, 1.8L, 03 Corolla, Auto 1073.45
00602-17620-108 Vehicle Install Kit, 1.8L, 03 Corolla, Man 1073.45
00602-17620-109 Vehicle Install Kit, 1.8L, 04 Matrix, Auto 1073.45
00602-17620-111 Vehicle Install Kit, 1.8L, 04 Matrix, Man 1073.45
00602-17620-114 Vehicle Install Kit, 1.8L, 04 Corolla, Auto 1073.45
00602-17620-115 Vehicle Install Kit, 1.8L, 04 Corolla, Man 1073.45
00602-17620-120 Main Supercharger Assembly 1921.55
Total Kit Price MY03/04 2550.00 2995.00

[Fatal070]

[i]

I would still buy a base Fit over this new Si. Better looks IMO (though Im sure you'll all disagree) and better price. (Still...with shitty suspension...but I guess the old days are gone, huh?) [/B]

I agree with you and I kind of see what you mean..... I'll tell you I wish I was a bit older maybe 3-4 years older... I feel like I go into imports to late I mean I acctually started likeing cars in 00-01 soon as the shity 7th gen was a few months from coming out... and so many years later wanting a EK Hatch instead of the coupe but o well shit happens I guess....

[G-M-W]

i heard they were goin to stop making the rsx, so this sweet si might just happen

[Fatal070]

I heard that too:no:

[AzCivic]

when?

[pdiggitydogg]

heh...thatd be the biggest mistake they could make for the integra followers

[thermal]

If this concept ever hits the market, I might actually pick up one. I like it. I wish they showed some interior pics tho.

[Fatal070]

they do not have the interrior done yet thats why there are no pics that model also did not have a motor in it yet....

[esthirteen]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
heh...thatd be the biggest mistake they could make for the integra followers

I definatly agree on this one....

[thermal]

^I third that^

[esthirteen]

I actually got to see the concept up close and personal on Wednesday. It looks better when you can look at it then it does in pictures.

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

yeah awesome car! the car is tinted so dark that i bet the interior isn't even finished! lol.. according to the Honda speaker, he said that its 90% done and they confirmed the 200hp/6spd lsd powertrain... so its only a matter of time

[pdiggitydogg]

Did you happen to ask how much it will weigh?

I read a rumor that when the rsx/integra is finished (idiots) that the civic will get a k24 and a k20 base

[AzCivic]

interesting its confirmed eh? this might be Honda's big comeback afterall.

[pdiggitydogg]

Theres an article in autoweek about it...more info too

[AzCivic]

so what the heck are they gonna put in the RSX? they got to be bringing the type-r over, don't you think?

[pdiggitydogg]

sadly...the rsx is being cancelled in 2006. (at least thats what I remember seeing)
The new si will be taking its place as the one and only honda speedy model, below the tsx.

Its just another reason for me to buy a Fit:)

[AzCivic]

they're taking 2steps forward, one step back. rediculous. they better not price this civic in the same area as a type-s.

[pdiggitydogg]

would it surprise you if they did??

[AzCivic]

sadly, no.

[esthirteen]

im thinking they might be bringing over the type r. they have to have something in place of the rsx. if there is going to be nothing. i think they are making a big mistake. they need something up there to compete with the wrx and evo.

on a side note, they also have the new eclipse and galant coming out. if they think the rl is going to sell enough to make up for the rsx, i think they are dead wrong. the rl is way to expensive and not really "sporty".

[pdiggitydogg]

Evo and sti are on totally different platforms...itd be foolish of honda to attempt to compete with those...and they know it.
This is what they should have made in the ep3...

[esthirteen]

all in all i can't wait to see what HONDA has up its sleeve, since they know that they will be eradicating the long list of Integra/RSX fan base.... besides that i'm excited for the new Sport Injected Civic...