nitrous refill station

[Civic_RedLine]

does anyone know where I can find locations in which I can refill my 10lb bottle?

[MissJDM]

Local autoparts store such as Schucks.

[Civic_RedLine]

do you know if my bottle could burst if my whole trunk gets rear-ended?
Im trying to test out the nitrous, but I wanna make sure everythings A-ok before I test it out.
Im waiting til monday so I can call Edelbrock's tech-line.
I hope the bottle will not burst if the rear-end of my vehicle gets smashed.
I dont want to get hurt neither want anyone else getting hurt.

[pdiggitydogg]

Of course it could burst. If the trunk is crushed, the bottle may get damaged - if there is a spark it will explode. That rule applies to gas too...
As long as your rear bumper is strong, it should do its job, and protect the gas, and n2o...and you.

I have never seen an exploded n2o tank though...ever

[thermal]

Dude, quit watching F&F.... j/k.

Anyway, like pdiggs says, same thing could happen to a gas tank.

Also, as far as refill station, check out your local performance shops. It doesnt have to be an import shop neither. You're in LA man. I bet refill station is just around your corner.....

[Civic_RedLine]

Real good news!! thank you. I was scared that it might burst.
Anyways, Im still going to wait til monday to talk to an edelbrock technician about my installation. Afterall, I'm not a newbie following directions, but I am quite new to cars.

Hey Thermal, is that a carbon fiber grill you have on your civic? I was thinking of getting carbon fiber grill to go with my black, but I must get carbon fiber hood and eyelids, maybe a front lip too, in order to match it. If it is a carbon grill, please tell me how it looks close up.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
Of course it could burst. If the trunk is crushed, the bottle may get damaged - if there is a spark it will explode.

pdiggs where did you get this? cause it is wrong(the spark part)

[Civic_RedLine]

i think he meant the gas will explode if the gas tank leaks. Nitrous isnt flammable

[AzCivic]

if you're really all that worried about it, mount the bottle behind the drivers seat w/ a blow off tube. added bonus: you don't need a remote bottle opener, just reach back and turn the handle.

the one and ONLY time i've seen a nitrous bottle explode is when some idiot installed a bottle warmer straight ghetto syle and didn't have a safety blow off disk installed correctly. so he parked in the garage, turned off the car. since he f'd up the wiring the bottle warmer stayed on all night and w/ no blow off cap the pressure couldnt vent...kaboom.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by Civic_RedLine
i think he meant the gas will explode if the gas tank leaks. Nitrous isnt flammable

probably, and even the gas tank shouldnt be a problem, unless you drive a crown vic or caprice that is.

[thermal]

It's not a CF grill. It just looks like it. It's a homemade grill I made a while back....

[Civic_RedLine]

when it blew up, did the front get messed up too? or just the trunk? do you know? Ill be more safe if you know.

Oh, I cant mount the bottle in the back seat because where I live, there are alot of thiefs stealing stuff. So if I do put the bottle in the back seat, people will see it easily and steal it. I put on a rope on my trunk so no one can open it very easily, unless they cut the rope in the back holding the trunk. Also got clifford alarm installed a month ago, but I dont really trust the alarm as much as the rope because they can just break windows easily while the alarm is paging me, steal something inside the back seat, by the time I come out with my pistol, the thiefs will probably be gone.

[pdiggitydogg]

Well, I didnt mean it like f&f (NAAAWWS!! *KABOOOOOOM* With crazy green flames and jumping cars)
The compressed oxygen content and a spark would cause a mild explosion (guess it would depend on the size of the hole). At least thats my experiece from some oxide gases

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by Civic_RedLine
when it blew up, did the front get messed up too? or just the trunk? do you know? Ill be more safe if you know.

Oh, I cant mount the bottle in the back seat because where I live, there are alot of thiefs stealing stuff. So if I do put the bottle in the back seat, people will see it easily and steal it. I put on a rope on my trunk so no one can open it very easily, unless they cut the rope in the back holding the trunk. Also got clifford alarm installed a month ago, but I dont really trust the alarm as much as the rope because they can just break windows easily while the alarm is paging me, steal something inside the back seat, by the time I come out with my pistol, the thiefs will probably be gone.

i'll put it this way, you do not want to be anywhere near it. but stop worrying about it, unless you're an idiot the bottle isnt going to explode. I have NEVER ever ever EVER, heard of someone getting in an accident w/ a nitrous bottle and it exploding. I think if you were in an accident that was bad enough to really damage the bottle, you'll probably be dead anyway.

and if you're just worried about someone stealing it, just diguise it. like the gym bag thing. its either that or have it in the trunk and either pay $200 or so for a remote bottle opener or look stupid running to the back of your car to open the bottle.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
Well, I didnt mean it like f&f (NAAAWWS!! *KABOOOOOOM* With crazy green flames and jumping cars)
The compressed oxygen content and a spark would cause a mild explosion (guess it would depend on the size of the hole). At least thats my experiece from some oxide gases

nitrous has to be subjected to the extreme temp of that inside the combustion chamber before it will release its oxygen.

[pdiggitydogg]

wouldnt the temperature from a buring tank of gas be enough to separate the oxygen content?

[AzCivic]

you said a spark! not a flaming inferno, ahahhaaha.

[Civic_RedLine]

either way, its always better to be safe than sorry. I had to learn it the hard way, now Im no longer taking any risks. Even the smallest risks. Like I said, you dont know where I live man. I live in the ghettos. have you ever heard the joke, why dont white men ever bring their cars to the ghettos. Its because theyll get jacked in a second.
People here are scandlous. They dont care if your an old grandma or a student thats socially nice. They'll jack you even if your kobe bryant. My other lesson was to get the alarm first before anything else which was too late anyways.

I cant put the bottle in the back, therefore it will go into the trunk. And I aint buying no 200$ bottle opener, Ill just open it before I drive, instead of pulling over to open the bottle at any given moment. Id rather spend that 200$ on the edelbrock heater and pressure guage.

Oh yah I forgot to say that schucks in California is aka kragen here. For some reason, every kragen(schucks) auto store does not refill nitrous. Can anyone help me find a place to fill my tank, so I can test it on monday?

[pdiggitydogg]

Originally posted by AzCivic
you said a spark! not a flaming inferno, ahahhaaha.

Psh..details details;)

[AzCivic]

civic redline: one thing you do not want to do is drive around all the time w/ the bottle open, by doing so the nitrous solenoid probably won't last near as long as it should.

also, stop looking at regular parts stores to refill the bottle, they don't do that, look for "speed shops" the little stores that specialize in aftermarket parts. look in the phone book, their add might even tell you if they do n2o refills, if not, give one a call they should direct you to a shop who does.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
Psh..details details;)

hahahhaha!!

[Civic_RedLine]

ok, damn, I see alot on the yellow pages. Ill call each and every one to see where I can fill it up. I read my manual and I think it did say dont open bottle for too long, but really, how much is too long? thirty mins? afterall, Im not going to spray everyday, only sometimes on weekends. I need to make the 10lb bottle last me a month or two because 50$ isnt easy money

[AzCivic]

30mins is probably a little to long but if its just everyonce in awhile you might be ok, but the less time the better.

i'd really consider putting the bottle behind your seat though, or perhaps moving out of the ghetto.

so what kit are you running and what size "shot"?

[Civic_RedLine]

Im running the edelbrock universal kit with 50 shot. I would go 30 but my friend has better prices on edelbrock than with NX which gives the 30 shot nitrous. Edelbrock minimum shot is 50-70. I adjusted the lines to shoot 50 than after a while, I migght shoot 70.

Oh and REALLY!?!?!? 30 mins is too long? every trip I take at least takes one hour. From home to school, from school to home.
Where I live isnt totally the ghetto but it is however ghetto. All the white people who live there too get mad because the houses where I live are nice, just the people are fucked.

Anyways, Im still going to call EDELBROCK monday because they arent open today. After I call them and get OEM suggestions, Ill test out the nitrous.

PS: my friend gets 30% off edelbrock parts so I bought it. Besides Edelbrock has the most complete kits. I was stupid enough to put nitrous than turbo because he couldve gotten the edelbrock turbo kit for 2g + 600 install I basically paid 450 for the nitrous kit which still doesnt cover whatever else stuff I need pressure guage, air fuel, purge etc.
Either way, I used my money on looks rather than a turbo be cause I already know my engine is a peice of shit 127 hp

[AzCivic]

i maybe going on the cautious side w/ the 30mins thing, call up edelbrock and see what they say.

they make nice kits, have fun.

[Civic_RedLine]

ok, I didnt know nor mightve missed the article, but i didnt recognize that the bottle shouldnt be turned on for more than 30 mins, or for a long time. Ill double check to make sure. Ill also make sure to have it on less, like lets say off the freeway.
Maybe that remote bottle opener would help afterall. I thought it was a waste of 200$ but it could be used for other things such as if a cop pulls you over and you have it on, you can press the button to turn it off so they wont impound my car.
In california its not illegal to have Nitrous in the car, as long as it is not on.

[Civic_RedLine]

I just got done talking to edelbrock and they told me that its ok to leave the nitrous on.
Just not to leave it on for days etc.

Also my damn kit was supposed to come with a freagin pressure gauge which it didnt. So hopefully edelbrock sends me another.

AZ: when you had nitrous, did you put it to the throttle body or just used an activation switch because the kit I bought only gives me one choice which is press the nitrous to use and depress to turn off.
The way I wanted the nitrous t o be was I click the switch and the nitrous sprays only when acceleration pedal is fully press (wob)

[AzCivic]

thats good, although i'd still wouldnt leave it on for more than an hour.

i never got around to actually installing it, i changed my mind and sold the kit. BUT, I would have installed a microswitch that would've been activated by the throttle body when at WOT.

are you sure it doesnt have another switch, there's one to arm it and another that actually makes it spray.
if this is the kit: http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/sport_compact/index.html

i can see both the switches right by the rolled up nitrous line.

[Civic_RedLine]

no, the way mines is installed is, you flip the switch and it sprays automatically, it doesnt know when its at wot. I do want to have the switch where it only sprays at wot, but I think you have to purchase that seperately. I would buy it, but I dont know what to buy. Im going to ask edelbrock unless you guys know what to buy in order to make it automatically spray at wot.

[AzCivic]

So yours doesnt look like this?
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/sport_compact/images/nitrous/71006.jpg

i think you're confused.

[Civic_RedLine]

mines is the performer efi wet system. It is the powder coated tank.

Im running 80 shots, which is the maximum for my application.

Edelbrock gave me a nitrous pressure gauge and extra solenoids for free. I went to their headcouters in torrance. Vic Edelbrock will replace parts for you too. All I did was call them and told them I was missing some parts. They then will replace your missing item/s, shipped or picked up.

The 10lb. bottle fill-up was only $40 at a hot rod performance store.






If your gonna go nos, might as well go all out because they have limits to 4-6 cylinder. Kit states 40-60 shot but actually gains 40-80

[AzCivic]

so was the micro switch missing or something? was this kit opened? it sounds like your missing alot of stuff.

[Civic_RedLine]

yeah, I was missing the solenoids and pressure gauge. It wasnt opened because the person I bought it from has 6 other kits exactly the same and it didnt come with it. So good thing I noticed it. Edelbrock's site says it comes with gauge but manual doesnt, so edelbrock gave me a free gauge and the company free gauges.

ANYWAYS, I just had some trouble doing the electrical to the throttle body. Im asking my friend for some help. I also dont know where to put the button.
Im running 80 shot straight up without testing the lowest setting first. You think thats ok?

[AzCivic]

NO start at the LOWEST setting!!

soo, when are you talking about running electrical stuff to the Throttle body, are you talking about the switch that activates the nitrous? If so, its supposed to be activated by the arm on the throttle body that the throttle linkage it connected to, when you go WOT that arm will swing back and just hit the switch.

Oh, also..START AT THE LOWEST SETTING!!

[Civic_RedLine]

yeah it only activates at full throttle. Its actually a button that is pressed on the throttly body. I started at 80 hp because edelbrock just told me not go over 80 shots. thats all

[AzCivic]

yeah thats exactly what i thought, its called a microswitch.

did they also tell you what exactly you need to do to run that 80shot?? like run colder heatrange spark plugs and retard the timing? do you know how to retard the timing?

start at the lowest setting!!! nitrous is not something you want to mess around with, done right its great, done wrong..well just hope it doesnt go wrong.

[AzCivic]

so did you install this??

[Civic_RedLine]

yeah bro, been running it for a week and half now. I had to refill again after a week. Overall, the bottle lasted about 50 times. I think thats a little, but you got to remember that Im running the highest setting(80hp), therefore more nitrous usage. I refilled the bottle yesterday.
As for the nitrous, I am running quite rich. If Im on the freeway, it runs fine, but If Im cruising down the street spraying then st opping at another light, car strugges at idle, if I rev the engine it will go away, but I dont like the idea that I have to rev it to let all the excess gas out. Im still very satisfied with this kit because I beat my friends junkyard turbo civic at 10psi.

[AzCivic]

any pics?

[Civic_RedLine]

yeah, ill post some pictures up later. My cameras at my gfs house.

[Civic_RedLine]

tank

[Civic_RedLine]

cheap grille. Good cf hood.
Going to change the grill back to stock and add the window washer nozzles tomorrow.

[Civic_RedLine]

great!

[Civic_RedLine]

into the intake

[Civic_RedLine]

another

[Civic_RedLine]

fuel

[Civic_RedLine]

nitrous

[AzCivic]

looks good from what i can tell. i'd recommend zip tying the nitrous/fuel solenoids to something so they're not bouncing around while you drive, which might make the lines come undone.

[Civic_RedLine]

Im about 5 miles away from edelbrock. they already know me + The guy at edelbrock gave me his personal card. If anything goes wrong, edelbrock will replace for one year. ANyways, Im running hella good with 80 shots of nitrous. I love it!!!!!!!!!
After first bottle, I now conserve the nitrous because being trigger happy wastes money. Mostly when nitrous doesnt need to be used.

Blah, my engine is hella dirty. I need to clean the engine first before any other mod.

[AzCivic]

what nitrous/fuel jets are you running? the actual # thats on the jets.

[Civic_RedLine]

.030 for nitrous and .026 for fuel

[Civic_RedLine]

Its fun to see a spec-v with intake and a prelude lose to a civic. I/H/E si is no match now. I raced my friends 04 tc stick shift. I gave him a head start and still burned him. Not that scion tcs have that much power, but it does have 32 more stock horse.

[AzCivic]

that nitrous jet is for the 40hp shot, not 80. which is GOOD, i was wondering how you were running around w/ an 80shot spraying all the time and not blowing your motor.

that fuel jet is too big, which is why you are running rich. do you have a .017 or so jet?

[thermal]

fuk man.....
I wish I still have the "pull" that I used to have on this board. I would've gotten you the moderator spot here. Keep up the awesome job on nitrous tech AZciv...........

[AzCivic]

thanks man, it means alot.

[Civic_RedLine]

bleh. Only jetting sizes I got was .024 .025 .026 .026 .028 .030
I'm using the max which is 80 horse.
BTW Edelbrock recomended me to start with 40 horse at first. But he also said, if I must run 80 go for it. All he said was, "DO NOT GO OVER 80 shots".
The thing is, how can I when there is no more jets for this car.

Im not running rich anymore. After I got the pressure gauge on, I only spray when the botth is around 12-14 which is in the yellow or greenish zone. That is when I run perfectly fine. Its better to use my nitrous on a regular sunny *hot* california day than a winter day. Which is why I cant wait til california gets hot. I always thought california weather was too hot, but found out thats its actually the best time to use my bottle.

[AzCivic]

no, you're not running an 80shot. an 80shot would be more like .042nitrous/.23fuel. and yes you are running rich, maybe not pig rich like when the bottle press is down but still rich.

To see for yourself, here's a calculator i like to use:
http://www.robietherobot.com/NitrousJetCalculator.htm

[Civic_RedLine]

hmm.. what you talking about azcivic
I just did that calculating thing and it says im running 81.29 hp or 69.10 hp to the wheels.

[Civic_RedLine]

also, im not getting any more symptoms of richness. Before I would have to rev the shit out of my car in order to get the excess gas out after shooting nos. Before, my car would die if I dont rev it when car is off and turning on. Before, it didnt seem like enough nitrous. Now that I only spray at green, I feel 3x the power of before.

[AzCivic]

how does this say 80hp??
The Fuel jet size should be 0.017" or 0.443mm
A Nitrous jet size of .030" or 0.762mm should produce:
40.65 HP with 1 port(s)
Actual HP to the wheels: 34.55 HP


Your car doesnt have to run weird when its running rich, when I installed a 190lph fuel pump my fuel pressure went up about 4psi enough to drop my gas mileage by 4-5mpg. I was running rich, but the car didnt run weird at all.

[Civic_RedLine]

2 ports

[Civic_RedLine]

ill scan the fucking manual and prove to you that im running 80 shot.
If im running 40 shot go blame edelbrock. I just followed their instructions and provided materials.
From reading the manual over again for the 100th time. Im running 80 hp. It ma y not be 80 but can be 90 or even 70. Its pretty accruate though. Ill scan the manual today for you. There is nothing else I can do. Im using the highest setting of nitrous and highest setting of fuel. THis is what ed elbrock told me to run

[AzCivic]

you have one port. the nozzle that you attatched to your intake is the nozzle/port. the only reason you'd have 2 or more is if you were running somekind of dual stage setup, or a direct port setup.

please do scan that manual so I can see what your seeing.

[Civic_RedLine]

itll be up tonight. Cant scan the manual because its at my friends house. When ill go back, ill post up a picture taken with my digi cam.
then you'll see that Im right.

Its ok to be wrong........ sometimes...........

[AzCivic]

hold on. what kind of fuel press is run on the 2001 civics?

[AzCivic]

your oddball returnless style fuel system might be whats making your numbers different from the norm.

[Civic_RedLine]

no holes are drilled to the injectors. the kit came with a rubber hose that makes fuel run of the injectors through the solenoids. the only holes are in the intake rubber peice

[thermal]

Originally posted by AzCivic
thanks man, it means alot.
well deserved....:yes:

[Civic_RedLine]

how did you get 307 whp at 9 psi on acivic?
my friend has a turbo civic set at 10 psi and he still loses to my nos civic

[AzCivic]

its a teg w/ a type-r motor, not a civic.

[Civic_RedLine]

oh yeah btw. Its a zc motor with vtec head civic coupe with junkyard turbo set at 10psi. The motor is a 70 hp engine ithink,

[AzCivic]

so i've been doing some research on your "80 shot" and found what i think you're looking at:
http://img98.exs.cx/img98/102/edelbrockjetting1wu.jpg

which doesnt even have a jetting for an 80shot..

also here's what most normal kits call for jetting sizes:
http://img51.exs.cx/img51/7517/nosjetting4md.jpg
http://img51.exs.cx/img51/6743/nxjetting5em.jpg
http://img51.exs.cx/img51/7797/zexjetting2mm.jpg

notice how they all start in the .03x's?

I emailed edelbrock about this and its been several days and no response.

If you want to prove me wrong, go to a 1/4mile track and make a few runs off the nitrous and a few more on, and post up your results.

[AzCivic]

also notice how much the n2o jet jumps in size between hp levels.

oh and the charts are for the NOS, NX, and Zex kits-in that order.

[Civic_RedLine]

sorry forgot to scan the manual. Ill do it soon. Then you'll know. With your resources, I could believe you, over the manual.

[Civic_RedLine]

hey Az you there? sorry Ive been away for a while. My int ernet was down so I couldnt scan it. Ill scan it for you tomorrow to finally prove to you that edelbrocks is different.
thanks. I hope your still here.

[AzCivic]

i'm still here.

[Civic_RedLine]

here you go

[AzCivic]

dude i cannot read that.

[Civic_RedLine]

whats your e-mail. thats the only quality I can choose to post on this site. Th eres only one jet for 30 and its used for 80 shot. look!

[AzCivic]

sent ya a pm.

[AzCivic]

got your email. the only reasoning for edelbrocks weird sizes is that they don't want to deal w/ someone blowing their little 4cyl engine.

they say to run a .030 for an 80shot but as you can see in my earlier post every other nitrous kit calls for a jet in the .04x range. a nitrous kit is a very basic thing, add some nitrous at a certain pressure throw in some fuel at a much lower pressure, ignite it and you get power. the only difference in the kits is the quality of the parts.

so unless you dyno the car and it shows something close to a 80hp gain, i'm gonna stick to my guns and say your running something alot smaller than an 80shot.

[AzCivic]

Also I emailed edelbrock about their oddball jet sizes, and never got a clear answer:

Dear Mr. LaCoste,

Thank you for your Interest with Edelbrock Nitrous Products. Thereason our jetting seems different that our competitors is that we do Dyno
testing and Jet Mapping with our Jets. Also the fuel jet will seem smaller, but it is made for a fuel Injected Motor witch runs at 60 PSI. For a 40 Hp shot you are going to want to use a 24 Nitrous jet and an 18 fuel jet. For a 70 HP shot you are going to want to use a 32 Nitrous and 20 Fuel Jet. If you have any further questions please fell free to Email me back.
Chris Wiesinger
Edelbrock Corporation Tech Department




Hello,

I'm trying to help out a friend who recently purchased the above kit. In the instructions it says for an approx. 60hp gain the recommended jetting is .028nitrous/.25fuel. My question is, why are these #'s quite different than any other wet nitrous setup I've seen? Usually the fuel jet is quite a bit smaller than the nitrous jet, but these are almost the same. Also for most
other kits i've seen, a much larger jet is used to get an approx 60hp bump in power.

I Look forward to your response.

Thanks so much for your time,
Robert LaCoste

[AzCivic]

as you can see these sizes are way different than whats in the manual, so I don't know what these fools are thinking. I replied back asking for better clarification but never got a response, even after sending the email a second time.

[Civic_RedLine]

but YOU do see the manual and see that size 30 is max jet. The jetting numbers are imprinted on the side of the jets. 30 being max included with my kit. You think its different? Damn Edelbrock FUCKED UP! Shit Now I believe you but you shouldve believed me too. Its not my fault. But as you posted edelbrock did say they use theirs a little different.

[Civic_RedLine]

im running around 80 it isnt 80. Im going to ask edelbrock that too tomorrow. My microswitch bracket broke off for the 2nd time. Edelbrock ordered replacement and I got close to an employee so I will ask him about the odd jet sizings tomorrow.

FIY: The kit I bought is for 4-6 cyl 40-80 shot