How do you say "haha" in iraqi (whatever the hell language they speak)

[Wren57]

http://vampirebat.com/war/f16_fallujah.wmv


a terrorist camp right after a meeting

[GT40FIED]

Haha? You just watched a bunch of people getting killed and your response is "haha"? I heard nothing on that tape confirming they were terrorists. I doubt terrorists would walk in such a calm fashion after a meeting with a U.S. gunship looming over their heads. As a person with very little conscience whatsoever, I can honestly say that, for laughing at that, you are a horrible person. Death is never funny unless it's in poorly scripted movies. Find a fucking soul man.

Oh...and Iraqis speak Arabic for the most part. Learn before you speak.

[Violent Apathy]

Yeah, that's just fucked...

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Haha? You just watched a bunch of people getting killed and your response is "haha"? I heard nothing on that tape confirming they were terrorists. I doubt terrorists would walk in such a calm fashion after a meeting with a U.S. gunship looming over their heads. As a person with very little conscience whatsoever, I can honestly say that, for laughing at that, you are a horrible person. Death is never funny unless it's in poorly scripted movies. Find a fucking soul man.

Oh...and Iraqis speak Arabic for the most part. Learn before you speak.

how about you learn how the military works before you speak, that tape wasnt for the masses viewing pleasure so everything you need to know isnt gonna be layed out for all the idiots who might see it. fuck them. they got what they deserved, and if you feel sorry for some shit head terrorists/saddam regime supporters then you can go join their little meetings so we "the military" can find you too.

and if you think the military seeks out large masses of innocent people just to bomb them then you're a complete moron. stick to bitching about stupid little sh!t you can't change in a make believe world that doesnt give a shit and leave the world altering events to those who can handle it.

[ChrisCantSkate]

.....its not worth commenting on

[nonovurbizniz]

Originally posted by AzCivic
how about you learn how the military works before you speak, that tape wasnt for the masses viewing pleasure so everything you need to know isnt gonna be layed out for all the idiots who might see it. fuck them. they got what they deserved, and if you feel sorry for some shit head terrorists/saddam regime supporters then you can go join their little meetings so we "the military" can find you too.

RIGGGGHHHHT.... just like you guys did such a bang up job of finding osama...

And god knows the military has NEVER bombed innocent civilians by accident...

Kinda like that video that got out from desert storm where the guys where laughing and whooping it up when they were firing on an "enemy" tank.... oh wait no that's one of ours... WHOOPS...

Beyond that enemy or not you shouldn't feel anything but regret when you witness or participate in the loss of ANY other human life...

and if you think the military seeks out large masses of innocent people just to bomb them then you're a complete moron. stick to bitching about stupid little sh!t you can't change in a make believe world that doesnt give a shit and leave the world altering events to those who can handle it.

Right again... just cuz you don't seek them out doesn't mean your "intelligence" is all that intelligent... how many cruise missles did Clinton fire at Osama... how many times did he hit him? Oh and since we're on the topic of not "seeking out large masses of inncocent people" you are aware that 1 of those cruise missles hit a chinese embassy in Serbia...

Thank god there are "those who can handle it":no: :no:
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[AzCivic]

;(

lets all cry about it.

[AzCivic]

i hope GT40 writes 8pages in response. ihopeihopeihope..

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
how about you learn how the military works before you speak, that tape wasnt for the masses viewing pleasure so everything you need to know isnt gonna be layed out for all the idiots who might see it. fuck them. they got what they deserved, and if you feel sorry for some shit head terrorists/saddam regime supporters then you can go join their little meetings so we "the military" can find you too.

and if you think the military seeks out large masses of innocent people just to bomb them then you're a complete moron. stick to bitching about stupid little sh!t you can't change in a make believe world that doesnt give a shit and leave the world altering events to those who can handle it.

Oh holy hell...come off of it. You mean to tell me there's no records of us "accidentally" bombing civilians or inflicting the oh-so-popular collateral damage? Your inference that we don't seek out innocent people is made moot by the fact that we still seem to kill them anyway. Likewise, keeping telling me to join up with terrorists because I think it's wrong to laugh at people being killed...terrorist or not. It just makes you look like a jackass. If the tables were turned and an al Qaeda gunship mowed down a bunch of our troops, I bet I wouldn't hear a fuckin peep out of you.

As for leaving "world altering events to those who can handle it", exactly which events are those? You think killing people is the only way to change things? Do you think violent actions are the only ones that make a difference? Yeah...you keep telling me that from behind your desk. Seemed like we were doing pretty well for ourselves until we decided to start acting like a bunch of violent psychotic apes again. Our country had a lot of things going for it but no...throw all of that away because violence is the only answer. Right...good work. Mission accomplished. I would invite you, much like I did with Wren, to find a fucking soul...if whatever branch of the military you're in allows you one. I kind of doubt it.

[AzCivic]

ahahaaaahhahaaha :D :D


"violence never solves anything" it only made this and many other countries FREE. it only made this country whole when tards in the south wanted to leave. it only stopped an ass bent on world domination and extinction of those he deemed not worthy.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
ahahaaaahhahaaha :D :D


"violence never solves anything" it only made this and many other countries FREE. it only made this country whole when tards in the south wanted to leave. it only stopped an ass bent on world domination and extinction of those he deemed not worthy.

Hey...nice try...but no. Not once did I say that...or even infer that. I asked if you thought only violent actions produced results. I guess I got your answer...and you call me a moron. And hey...all of that killing in Iraq worked wonders, huh? Everythnig is peaceful and fun there now right? Oh...wait...no.

[AzCivic]

do you think rebuilding a country is like ordering a big mac at mcdonalds or something? give it some time.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
do you think rebuilding a country is like ordering a big mac at mcdonalds or something? give it some time.

Actually what I'm saying is that it might not have been necessary in the first place. Perhaps if we had actually waited for weapons reports and listened to the U.N. people wouldn't have had to die period...including 1000+ servicemen and women. I don't see Saddam being a big risk in the extra month or two that would've taken...or much at all for that matter. But saying "give it time" is like writing a blank check. How much time do we need? Months? Years?

[AzCivic]

perhaps.

i'd say a few years, but i'm no expert on the matter.

[2ndGenTeg]

I may be naiive for not being in the military, but it's nothing compared to how the military is brainwashed. Think outside the box, think for yourself, and come up with an opinion that hasn't been forcefed to you since bootcamp.

And Wren sucks.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by 2ndGenTeg
And Ren sucks.

I think you mean Wren...Ren is mycivicjust8u.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by 2ndGenTeg
I may be naiive for not being in the military, but it's nothing compared to how the military is brainwashed. Think outside the box, think for yourself, and come up with an opinion that hasn't been forcefed to you since bootcamp.

And Ren sucks.


you are such a fucking tard if you think we're in the least bit brainwashed(i'm in the freakin air force).

[2ndGenTeg]

My bad- but you know who I'm talking about. Edited, nonetheless.

My bad again- I didn't realize that flightsuits make you invulnerable. I fail to see why one branch of the military is immune. And if you think they're not all brainwashed in order to make you think you're doing the right thing, you're the naiive one. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the war, but I am saying that military personnel have been psychologically manipulated to view the war in exactly the way their superiors want them to view it.

Think for yourself- don't let someone who outranks you do it for you, even though that's what you've been trained to do.

[AzCivic]

you are not in the air force(and probably dont even know anyone in it) so how in fucks hell would you know if our superiors are somehow "brain washing" us!?!?!?

i hate my job, i hate my squadron and i hate the people i work for. but i've been around the military enough to know a thing of two about what goes on.

oh, i dont wear a flight suit. ass.

[2ndGenTeg]

I know plenty of people in the miltary- two good friends in the Marines (one is going back to Iraq next week), a friend at the AF academy, a cousin who's a sgt in the Air Force, and a HS friend currently doing special ops training for the Army. You're not as elite or rare as you think you are.

You just addressed absolutely nothing of what I had to say, except for the flightsuit part. Nice going. You're now officially an idiot. If pointing out reality in an unsensitive and objective way makes me an ass, I proudly stand guilty as charged.

I have nothing more to say to you. Go away.

[AzCivic]

how am i supposed to prove i'm not "brain washed". if i was, wouldnt i just love everything about the military, including where I work? or would they somehow have the power to sway my beliefs in a war but not how i feel about my job.

the big bad military is gonna get you too, better watch out. they'll have you voting republican before you know it w/ their big ESP radar. get your aluminum foil hat while you still can!!

some friends, ever talk to them? ever ask the ones in the air force, what basic training is like? if you did they tell you it was a cake walk that basically consisted on inprocessing/out processing and learning to march and fold our undies in squares somewhere inbetween. no "brain washing", hell there wasnt even time for some shit like that.

grow up and realize the big bad man isnt out to get you.

[2ndGenTeg]

LOL- you make me look good. While I appreciate it, I really don't need the help.

Thanks for the laugh. Now, really, I'm done talking to you. My sides are starting to hurt from laughing.

[GT40FIED]

Hey Az...might I ask exactly what you do in the AF? My uncle is a career officer in the AF in Colorado. Not exactly sure what he does...something with contracting or something of the sort that he can't really discuss too much. The scary thing about it is that he's INCREDIBLY cynical about the government and he knows a ton of stuff most people don't...if I did know these things my head may very well explode like in "Scanners".

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by 2ndGenTeg
LOL- you make me look good. While I appreciate it, I really don't need the help.

Thanks for the laugh. Now, really, I'm done talking to you. My sides are starting to hurt from laughing.

typical reply of someone who can't respond w/ anything useful.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Hey Az...might I ask exactly what you do in the AF? My uncle is a career officer in the AF in Colorado. Not exactly sure what he does...something with contracting or something of the sort that he can't really discuss too much. The scary thing about it is that he's INCREDIBLY cynical about the government and he knows a ton of stuff most people don't...if I did know these things my head may very well explode like in "Scanners".

me(and my squadron) are responsible for forecasting weather for most of the airforce/army bases in the western US and central/South america. as well as giving weather support to the pilots who fly in and from our area of responsibility.

I guess I could say I like What I do, just not Who I work with/for.

[Violent Apathy]

Originally posted by AzCivic
typical reply of someone who can't respond w/ anything useful.

Not that you've responded with any useful shit...

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by Violent Apathy
Not that you've responded with any useful shit...

uh oh, we got someone who's soo cool they'll just bust in and say something utterly retarded.

lets see I'm actually in the air force, so i can tell you first hand what happens IN the air force. what can you add to the discussion? other than stupid remarks like you've already written of course.

[CD5Passion]

Originally posted by AzCivic
me(and my squadron) are responsible for forecasting weather for most of the airforce/army bases in the western US and central/South america. as well as giving weather support to the pilots who fly in and from our area of responsibility, which may include rescue missions, counter drug operations, and other stuff which i can't really talk about.

I guess I could say I like What I do, just not Who I work with/for.

so basically you're stuck away from the action behind a wall...actually I'm just guessing that cause I just dont like you. but I'm damn sure they don't tell you "everything" that goes on or what is known. and either way you are helping to support a war that isn't ours
as for the original topic of this thread..Wren..dude......last time I checked Laughter is one of the only universal languages....made yourself sound pretty racist there

it's just too bad that we are where we are....even if kerry was elected there's no way for use to surrender and say "sorry" for fucking up your country. I'm sure we've bred enough hate amongst the arab nations to ensure our downfall

[AzCivic]

i'm a whole hell of alot closer than you are.

do you somehow believe they didnt have such a strong ass hate for america before this Iraq BS?? get a clue.

[CD5Passion]

trust me I have a clue and again I never once stated that Iraq didn't hate us prior. think it's about time for you to stop assuming what I am thinking.
I'm just not one to want to have to worry about what my country has gotten itself into while I have so much going on in my life as it is. as it stands the clock is ticking, expect something that will outweigh 9/11 to strike home
I'm done argueing with you for tonight I have classes in the morning

[AzCivic]

ok, me too. nighty night, sleep tight. dont let the republican bugs bite.

[GT40FIED]

You know...I don't see this war as republican vs. democrat. It's human vs. human. That's the reason I responded the way I did. No matter what you think of terrorists, they're still humans. Maybe their view of us are in part attributable to our policies concerning their countries and religion. While you may hate them for what you think they have done, they are still people like you and me and 300 million other Amerikans. They are fighting for what they think is the greater good. Do I agree with it? Not really. Do I understand it? Absolutely. If we felt a country was invading the U.S. we'd fight tooth and nail to rid ourselves of them. This is not a matter easily dismissed as "evil" or the oh-so- popular "they're jealous of our freedom". If they were jealous they would simply inact change where they lived. Yet ironically peace rarely comes without a fight. And from those lost in that fight rises a spirit of wisdom. Unfortunately we have yet to encompass that wisdom and keep blindly fighting others who want not much more than we ourselves want. it's not about U.S. vs. *insert country here*. It's about humans vs. humans. People dying is never funny unless it's done in a comical fashion in a movie and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to find a fucking soul. That's it. End of discussion.

[AzCivic]

terrorists are less than human.

[GT40FIED]

I'd have to disagree. Just because they grew up in a different climate than ours doesn't make them any less human.

[AzCivic]

they purposely kill innocent people in their rediculous plight to acheive the impossible. they are scum.

[Wren57]

gt40, your post sounds perfect, but a "live and let live" policy would only work if EVERYONE IN THE WORLD agreed on it, and that everyone in the world could fight off all evil of temptation... this simply isn't and won't be the case until the end of the earth, but that's another matter. You need to wake up to reality. There exists evil in the world whether you want there to be or not, and this evil MUST be combatted, regardless of whether you consider the evil to be "us" or "them", there will be combat, so deal with it. Harsh reality, but better than blind utopian optimism.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by highlander
gt40, your post sounds perfect, but a "live and let live" policy would only work if EVERYONE IN THE WORLD agreed on it, and that everyone in the world could fight off all evil of temptation... this simply isn't and won't be the case until the end of the earth, but that's another matter. You need to wake up to reality. There exists evil in the world whether you want there to be or not, and this evil MUST be combatted, regardless of whether you consider the evil to be "us" or "them", there will be combat, so deal with it. Harsh reality, but better than blind utopian optimism.

Dude...did you swipe that from a Bush rally speech? Accepting violence as an inevitability is cheap to me and I refuse to do it. Of course, man's nature is to destroy himself, but that doesn't mean at the first sign of a problem you blast it off the face of the earth. What's better...blind optimism or blind killing? Of course there will always be those wanting to do us harm, but in the current political climate I can only fault them so much for that. If we had kept our collective dicks in our pants much of this might not be necessary. Calling it evil doesn't make it any better, either. To you, they're evil. To them, you're evil. Guess who's right. That's it...nobody because there is no such thing as your "reality"...it's all perception. Of course you'll point the finger at them...because they're an easy target for your frustration. First accept all of the mistakes we've made and ask yourself, if put in their positions, if you wouldn't be pretty pissed to.

And Az...I like how you injected "purposely" before "kill innocent people". True. But when we kill innocent people on "accident", does that make it ok? I mean...either way people who shouldn't be dead are dead. When the outcomes are the same the motives rarely matter.

[Wren57]

Nope, not swiped from a speech. Believe it or not, I have my own thoughts and values and ideas, it just so happens that most of mine mesh with those of President George W Bush, which is why I support him. Is this really that difficult to understand, lest you think me stupid and unable to think for myself?

[GT40FIED]

Of course it's not hard to understand...it was just the way you worded it. Seriously...go back and read it again. It sounds like something someone would say if they were on the campaign trail.

[Wren57]

I guess it does... maybe I should be a politician. ;)

Wren (wouldn't kiss enough a$$ to be successful)

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by highlander
I guess it does... maybe I should be a politician. ;)

Wren (wouldn't kiss enough a$$ to be successful)

I don't know...how well can you lie with a straight face? That's really all it comes down to. But I should hope no one on this board turns to politics. I can see wanting to make a difference, but you have to sacrifice your soul in the process. Like the old saying goes "those smart enough to make good politicians are smart enough to stay out of politics".

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by GT40FIED

And Az...I like how you injected "purposely" before "kill innocent people". True. But when we kill innocent people on "accident", does that make it ok? I mean...either way people who shouldn't be dead are dead. When the outcomes are the same the motives rarely matter.

an accident is an accident, there is no such thing as a perfect safety record. terrorists know that we'll retaliate, and w/ much greater ferocity. they knowingly put their own people in harms way, therefore making them even less human.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
an accident is an accident, there is no such thing as a perfect safety record. terrorists know that we'll retaliate, and w/ much greater ferocity. they knowingly put their own people in harms way, therefore making them even less human.

Ok...true. But we invest billions of dollars into smart weapons that are supposed to minimize these "accidents". If we know where terrorists are and when, why not send in special ops? There's a much lessened chance of 'collateral damage" when real people are dealing with other real people as opposed to sending in a missle that will destroy a city block and will kill indiscriminantly. Reducing an apartment complex to rubble in search of one terrorist doesn't make it ok if 15 other innocent people die in the process.

[AzCivic]

you cant just have special ops people cruising around a huge city looking for some hideout. no matter how special they are, they'll be seen.

if you think you could do it, try running around nekad for a couple of miles trying not to be seen.

[drdingo21]

Originally posted by 2ndGenTeg
LOL- you make me look good. While I appreciate it, I really don't need the help.

Thanks for the laugh. Now, really, I'm done talking to you. My sides are starting to hurt from laughing. I can't belive that you belive everyone in the miltary is brain washed.

That ranks up there with some of the stupidest shit i have ever read on the internet.


http://www.colon-cleanse-constipation.com/
That will help you with your alien problem also. You will save them the trouble of having to do another probe on you.

Idiot.

[V8killimports]

Ok.. first off I can't get mad at any of the shit in this thread simply because of the fact the the republicans own washington. The democrats can pick their ass and suck their thumb and basically observe the events of the next 4 years. There are no re counts.. there was no cheating.. lol.. accept the fact it is as it is..

With that said... whoever said the military is brainwashed is just a fucking moron. I would rank even terrorists above you on the human being value chain..why? Because at LEAST they have pride in somthing, while you don't.

Think outside the box?? Don't tell me to think outside the box motherfucker. I do it everyday, and in fact do it more than you wipe your own ass. You have no idea how fast and how much "outside the box" people out here have to think. So I find it funny that YOU, someone who mostly likely works at 7-11, and who's biggest responsibility is to clean the slushy machine once a week is telling ME to think outside the box.

Brainwashed at bootcamp huh? First off nobody calls it bootcamp..it's called basic. Only people that don't know what the fuck they are talking about call it bootcamp. Anyways.. my "bootcamp" taught me to make a bed and march ant eat a lot. I also ran a lot and did a shitloads of pushups. I can't seem to remember any "kill all the arabs" videos though.

This whole live and let live thing is bullshit. Anyone who truely believes that crap deserves a big kick to the dick. Not doing anything is the wrong thing to do. You keep them on the defensive preventing them to launch any type of offensive. Right now they are simply trying to survive, let alone launch some major attack on the US.

Again what AZ said... nothing comes for free.. all freedon is attained from war and bloodshed. If you think different pull your head out of your ass...

[KwikR6]

:drunk:
word.

[Wren57]

perfectly said v8. it is ashame some people think that freedom is free.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by V8killimports
Again what AZ said... nothing comes for free.. all freedon is attained from war and bloodshed. If you think different pull your head out of your ass...

Well...that's not entirely true. Many people have gained freedoms without shedding a drop of blood or waging war. And...for my own clarification...exactly whose freedom are we gaining?

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Well...that's not entirely true. Many people have gained freedoms without shedding a drop of blood or waging war. And...for my own clarification...exactly whose freedom are we gaining?

I know you don't care about the freedom and rights of iraqis, or just basic human beings there.. but how about the freedom not to have your yourgest daughters abducted in the middle of the night to be raped for 6 months straight, the freedom not to be tortured for years on end, the freedom not to have your birde whom you married that day abducted, raped for months, then killed, the freedom to not live in constant fear your entire life because of where you live.. etc.. some of the basic things most people here take for granted.

Please debate it all you want, it doesn't matter.. we are here and it is going to remain so despite what is said/done here. Again, the people have spoken and chosen who they want as president. :nana:

[GT40FIED]

First of all...we'd still be there regardless of which dumbass got chosen for president. It just so happens that the dumbass that other dumbasses (and by "dumbasses" I mean the public at large...not people who voted republican) picked will probably keep us there and elsewhere abroad longer.

I'm unaware of these feelings of apathy I have for Iraqis. Since you've apparently become a mindreader Mike, you could clue me into how much I despise them. I think everyone should be free to do/think/say whatever they want within the bounds of reason. But we are not the freedom police. If they want freedom bad enough, let them handle the job. They could have easily had enough of them cared to. Hell...we took on the largest empire in the world and sent them running back to marry old England to gain our freedom. All they had to do was oust one man (not to over simplify it, but that's what it boils down to). It's not that I don't care about them or their freedom...I just don't think it's our place to decide who has their freedom and when.

[AzCivic]

we didnt fight off the british alone, hell we probably wouldnt have even won if it werent for France.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
we didnt fight off the british alone, hell we probably wouldnt have even won if it werent for France.

And now look how much we hate the french.

[black95gs-t]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
I doubt terrorists would walk in such a calm fashion after a meeting with a U.S. gunship looming over their heads....... Learn before you speak.

Actually they do. Not to start a flame war, but follow your own advice.

[black95gs-t]

Wow. Nevermind. The flamewar is already well in gear I see. Damn AZ, trying to take on the Forum again?

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by black95gs-t
Actually they do. Not to start a flame war, but follow your own advice.

Wow...way to butcher a post and bring a thread back from the grace.:thumbsup:

[Shaved &/or Laid]

Originally posted by Violent Apathy
Not that you've responded with any useful shit...

Violent Apathy...
My Name is Lord Darksoul McAngst

OH YES I HEART LINKIN PARK AND MUDEVAYNE. NOBODY LIKES ME THE PAIN INSIDE OH THE APATHY THE VIOLENT APATHY THAT BURNS FROM WHY I HATE MY LIFEEE TAKE IT AWAY TAKE IT AWAY. Im so goth my wrists cut themselves !!11
i also like eyeliner too much. especially for a guy.

[Violent Apathy]

Yeah, totally goth.....