my first time at the track, 09/11/04

[mcruz]

today was the first time i had ever been to a track, it was also the first time i race on a track before. i had four runs, and out of the four runs this is my best run.

R/t .343
60' 2.607
330 6.936
1/8 10.493
MPH 69.40
1000 13.531
1/4 16.105
MPH 87.12

i know those are bad numbers for a d16 turbo. so i got a lot of things to do plus practice. please give your feedback and be honest


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[JDMFantasy2k]

holy shit dude.

you got some work to do. What is your setup like and how much boost are you running?

[thermal]

What is your exhaust set-up? Actually, write down your whole set-up. Include tire/rims combo, management, boost level, blah blah blah....

[AzCivic]

practice is all i can say, that 60ft is horrible. i consider my 2.4 60ft to be bad.

[mcruz]

Originally posted by thermalfi'd16
What is your exhaust set-up? Actually, write down your whole set-up. Include tire/rims combo, management, boost level, blah blah blah....


greddy turbo kit W/e-manage (96-00)
greddy evo II exhaust full cat back
17' excell rims w/ kuhmo tires
rs one coilovers
6 psi
clutch master streetable clutch stage one
boost and air/fuel gauge

let me know if you need any other infor. yeah i know its bad 1 out of 4 i had a good start, the rest i sucked. but remember this the first time i ever hit a track before. thanks please keep the comments and any infor coming. as you can see i need them. :confused: :confused:

[AzCivic]

is it intercooled? if not an intercooler and test-pipe/high flow cat should give a real nice increase in power. that combined w/ a 2.3 60ft(still not a great 60ft) should get you into the high 14's.

[mcruz]

Yes it has intercooler, I know I am going to need a high flow cat. Suspenisons is my next part

[AzCivic]

damn its intercooled. i'd expect your mph to be higher then.

[mcruz]

Originally posted by AzCivic
damn its intercooled. i'd expect your mph to be higher then.

I know, I am beating my self every min I think about.

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

here is the same reply i posted on turbod16.com


you NEED practice sir....

here is my setup:
19T greddy kit
EVOLUTION exhaust system
KYB AGX/Pro-Kit
5" Johnnyracecar Intercooler
14" steelies wrapped with all-season tires (185/65/14)
i'm boostin' at .38 BAR so that's about 5.5 psi

with that i managed to run

60' 2.268
330 6.349
1/8 9.672
MPH 74.81
1000 12.501
1/4 14.930
MPH 94.93

also, i managed to hit a 2.205 60' out of my steelies. that just goes to show that even though i don't have fancy sticky tires i can still get out of the hole quickly, now if only had some proxes RA-1...

just practice you launchin' and you can bring your time down tremendously

[mcruz]

Thanks I will

[2000Pimpinex]

Your times were better than mine the first time I ever ran. I ain't gonna say what it was but yours was better, haha. Practice will help you greatly. Work on it and you should be in the 14 soon.

[mcruz]

Come on tell us what you did, I did

[thermal]

Dyno tune your car. You'll have to find a place who can tune your A/F ratio with your e-manage. Turn the boost up to 10 psi. It will be safe if tuned.

Get a high flow cat to free up the turbine spool time

I'm hoping you're exhaust piping is within the range of 2.25 to 2.5 diameter.

Remove your 17's. Your steelies will work better.

practice practice practice.....:cool:

[mcruz]

thanks alot tomorrow is my dyno and tuning time, and the high flo cat is my next purchase.;) ;)

[JDMFantasy2k]

probably should have done that the other way around (so you could tune with the cat as well) but it's better than not tuning at all i guess...

[mcruz]

I know I tried to do it before the track but, the dyno shop could only take me today. So I will post the results later

[thermal]

wait till you get the high flow cat for dyno tuning. If you replace that after the dyno tuning, it will throw off your A/F ratio again since the exhaust flow and turbine response will be different.....

[JDMFantasy2k]

^^ that's what i was trying to say, i think he misinterpreted me.

[mcruz]

well i am going to get it first because the dyno shop i went did not have the usb cord for the e-manage, so he could not tune the car, i have to wait and find a shop that has one so i will get the flow cat as soon as i can, it really sucked i was there for a hour before he figure out he didnt have the cord.

[thermal]

he he.... just be glad that you found a place you can tune a GReddy emanage... that task alone can be challenging

[mcruz]

hate to change subject but, help me out. some say i should go with hondate or go with the AEM, or just stay with the e-manage. you guys have been right so far what do you guys think. i am thinking go with the AEM, but it cost alot of money:confused:

[thermal]

internet is very slow out here in the middle of the ocean, but search on the turbo forum about a small write up I did on Hondata and AEM EMS. JDMfantasy asked a question not too long ago. I'll let you decide for yourself.....

If it was up to me, I say get rid of that emanage. It's capability is not even half of what Hondata and AEM EMS can do.

Hondata is still considered a "piggy back" but the best piggy back out there.

AEM EMS is a true stand alone. My buddy has an AEM EMS and that thing does fucking rocks! The only draw back I see is that you will not be able to use at least 50% of what it can do, unless you know how to tune it yourself.... and trust me, this is not like tuning an APEXi S/VAFC. EMS are very detailed. Each time my buddy messes with it, the potential of what it can do seems to take us deeper in the "rabbit hole".... ha ha ha. In other words, it gets complicated.... very complicated. When his laptop crashed one time, he had to redo everything from scratch. I have nothing against EMS. It's potential is short to what Motec F1 stand alone systems can do. This is what I would have on a dedicated race car only.... but not for street nor occassional drag races.

I still think that Hondata is the best tho. I just dont see why have all the features of the AEM EMS if the the person dont even want to deal with the complexity. You can have a decent turbo set-up by simply having a well tuned A/F ratio in which Hondata is capable of already.... and yes, Hondata can be monitored and played with like the AEM EMS using a laptop. you just have to get all harware/software for it

[mcruz]

ok AEM does look harder to deal with i am thinking hondata, i think and my guy think it will do a great job, now just got to find one. i my car club and clubrsx are going back to the track oct 30, i need better motor mounts any idea.

[JDMFantasy2k]

well i think you should just stick with the emanage for the time being (seeing as you're having it tuned anyway), unless of course you have the money to spend now and really want to go with hondata.

as for the engine mounts, i know hasport makes mounts for swaps, maybe they make stock ones?

[AzCivic]

mugen makes some nice mounts, firmer than stock but not rock hard like polyurethane.

[mcruz]

the shop that will tune my civic is telling me it is a waste of money because the e-manage will go back to it original formant after a couple days. so should i tune it or not:confused:

[JDMFantasy2k]

if you got the money to go hondata, do it. I'm going to, i'm just waiting for a good deal. But if they are familiar with the emanage and know it's weak points, then i'd take their advice (as long as they're reputable). Another thing though, make sure they are capable of tuning hondata.

[mcruz]

I will not tune the civic untill I get the honadata, I will just work on getting the other things I need for the civic, hey another thiing I am hopping alot when I take off any idea?

[JDMFantasy2k]

1. what are you running for wheels + tires
2. did you do a burnout before your launch
3. i think a LSD might help but i'm not certain, i know therms has one so when he can reply to this post i'm sure he can help ya.

[AzCivic]

theres traction bars like those from jimfab and full-race, they should help. a lsd wont really do much for wheel hop.

[mcruz]

I have kuhmo tires with 17in excell rims, I will be putting my stock on the front for the race track

[jamyam]

I might have missed this, but did you mentioned where you are located/what your elevation is?

I ran about the same at my track @ 5800 ft.

EDIT:

I just saw that you're from Chicago?

[mcruz]

Yes I am from the great city of chicago