does anyone here own a.....

[97CivicBoy]

mp3 player or ipod or watever those things are...i'm interested in gettin an mp3 player.....lookin to spend maybe 100-150 or is that too cheap...i dunno ne thign about these..jus want one that will hold a good amount of songs....to use while workin out or wehenver....somethign small that will clip to my clothing...what brnds are good and what nto thanks

[a96710]

I know Ipods are kind of spendy but the have a lot of memory. I think the smallest one I've seen is 15gb but they're like $300+. I think Dell has something smiliar for like $200. I had an RCA Lyra but I hated the software that came with it so I took it back and never got another one.

[pdiggitydogg]

2 words: Mini Disc
The new ones hold up to 1gb of music
Theyre lighter than mp3 players
Cost less
Easier to find your music since you can make specific discs
Enable recording of music/voice anywhere you are, not just at the computer

I have had 2 mp3 players and 3 md players...I am always WAY more satisfied w/ the md over mp3 devices.

If youre really wanting an mp3 though, definately check out the dell. Good price and I hear good things about them. Can't beat the cs.

[AkimboStylee]

get an ipod or an md, i have both and are surprised with both

[CD5Passion]

iPods run: 15gb $299 / 20gb $399 / 40gb $499 / Ipod mini 4gb $259

they are nice but pricey, also they have a built in Rechargeable LiIon battery that you cant replace, you have to have apple change it out once it goes bad. but other than that you can load text documents and it even has games on it. the downfall is that the 15gb doesnt come with the dockstation which is an extra $39, the 20 and 40 come with the dockingstation, which allows you to autosync with the computer and recharge it, you can also buy a modulator that will recieve FM stations on the iPod

one mp3 player to avoid as a whole is ANYTHING made by RCA, I sell mp3 players at Circuitcity and you wouldnt beleive the amount of people come back and ask me if I could figure out what was wrong with their RCA Lyra player, I've had 2 people in one week with the same problem.

one player you may wanna look at is made by iRiver, they make an awesome mp3 player, you can get a 128mb for about $129 and their 256 for around $179, they also sell a larger one..soemthing like a few gigs of memory but we dont have it at CC.

also a nice player is made by Creative, my friend bought the 40gb Creative Labs NOMAD player because its about the same price as a Ipod mini but with 36 more gigs of memory, also it can be used as a backup harddrive for your comp if it matters any to you, its easy to use, and durable (i dropped my friends and it didnt affect it much besides a scratch..and yes i felt like an ass)

ok I'm done with my sales pitch:yes:

[97CivicBoy]

alrite thanks alot guys...that helped me out alot...i jus got one questions...for mp3 players how do u put mp3s on them and does it take long...same thing for MD/Ipod...lookin toward more of an mp3 player now thanks

[pdiggitydogg]

all of them come w/ special transfer software. Most utilize a drag-and-drop system.
mp3 connect via usb
md is usb, microphone, optical
ipod is firewire connection (gotta buy a card if you dont already have it)

[97CivicBoy]

i thoguht that MD u had to play it through like winamp and wait for every song to play..my brother has an md and thats what he does...his is old tho...lemme kno ima bout to go get one tommoorw...is best buy a good store to get it from? and do u think i should get that warrany they offer...the 2 year warrant for like extra mney

[97CivicBoy]

and one more thing....i really want to be able to store alotta songs...espeicaly full cds...like alot....what would be my best option here...

[pdiggitydogg]

The old design md's did transfer only that way, first via audio like a cassette tape and then via optical - improved sound.
The new md's transfer via usb (NetMD) and its A LOT faster.

This is my current md player/recorder:
http://www.f1uk.fsnet.co.uk/sonymzn1smain.jpg
Sony MZ-N1 TYPE R :D
My first netmd unit...I love how fast it transfers - even on my old usb1.1. It would transfer almost 2x as quickly on usb2.0

My whole issue w/ mp3 is the limited size. Internal hd units tend to be either really large and expensive or really really small and cheap as hell.
Then the ones that have removable memory come w/ a shitty small card and the large cards are expensive. In order to store a lot you need to spend a good amount of money. Stupid...

Though the size of the md is smaller initially...you can get a good quality pack of 10 for less than $30.
Each new generation md can store, as I said, 1gb of music and the older style holds 5hrs in lp4 mode - more than enough for 4+cd's. IE - I store each final fantasy soundtrack (4cd's) on 1md each

I dont want to keep dragging it out, but the sound quality of md atrac3 is better than mp3. MP3 is less than cd quality - atrac3 is equal to it. So you can transfer better quality music from cd's onto the md AND/OR use your current library of mp3's to transfer onto an md. (transfering to lp4 mode changes the quality to = that of mp3 so its still great sounding)

So....if you like flexability and quality, md is the clear choice imo.

Best Buy is a fine place to buy your stuff from. I never go w/ the warranty because I never take my stuff to places where it can get damaged. If you like, spend the cash..but I dont think its needed.

[97CivicBoy]

yo thanks alot man...;pdiggs u always have answers to evetythign..u seem to kno alot about cars too...wish i did lol....thanks once again bro...goin to best buy tommorw see what happens...let u guys know

[pdiggitydogg]

man I just have too much time spent at home instead of out collecting hang-overs, panties, and std's (probably should do something about the panties)

[biker's back]

hands down apple has the best MP3 player on the market.

THey have 49% of the market share becuase their product is superior. If yuo want a decent play, spend the extra cash and buy an ipod. Mini disc is old technology and the only reason sony is pushing it is because they haven't launched their less expenses MP3 to combat the ever growing apple share in a market first started with Sony's first 'walk man'.

As for me, I bought one of the early MP3 players for around $450. I was happy with it for about 2 years, now I realize whenever I listen to MP3s i'm by my computer so I'll be using my laptop.

If you're really going to use it, the money isn't an issue. If its a toy, buy something cheap so when you stop using it in 6 months you dont feel bad.

[ChrisCantSkate]

i have a dell pocket pc i use for a mp3 player, hoever the storage is really bad, i can only hold the equvilent of one CD(64mb), however i have wireless internet and games on it also. i can get expansion cards upto 512mb i think... maybe even a gig now.

[pdiggitydogg]

Originally posted by biker's back
Mini disc is old technology

yeah...thats why a new generation md/technology is brought out every 2-3yrs. Its constantly adapting....mp3 stays the same as its been since I can remember seeing the portable players.
Mp3 has been through how many changes? 1: Size of memory

MD has been through several advances in a just few yrs:
Size of MD - 74min, 80min, 1gb
Quality of sound - Analog, mp3, atrac3
Transfer technology/rate - Analog, optical, digital/netmd v1 and v2


MD isnt really made to compete w/ mp3. MD is 100times more popular in japan than mp3 because of the quality, functionality, and size (small).
It depends on what you think you need...but hands down md is more versitile and better quality.

(oh, and sony is not the only manufacturer of md...nearly all japanese companies (wow almost everything) makes an md product)

[biker's back]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
yeah...thats why a new generation md/technology is brought out every 2-3yrs. Its constantly adapting....mp3 stays the same as its been since I can remember seeing the portable players.
Mp3 has been through how many changes? 1: Size of memory

MD has been through several advances in a just few yrs:
Size of MD - 74min, 80min, 1gb
Quality of sound - Analog, mp3, atrac3
Transfer technology/rate - Analog, optical, digital/netmd v1 and v2


MD isnt really made to compete w/ mp3. MD is 100times more popular in japan than mp3 because of the quality, functionality, and size (small).
It depends on what you think you need...but hands down md is more versitile and better quality.

(oh, and sony is not the only manufacturer of md...nearly all japanese companies (wow almost everything) makes an md product)

Ok, *looks around* yup we're in japan alright. Dude when I said 49% i wasn't talking about the world, I was talking about North America.

As for MP3's they have gone through a few changes, but most recently its about small hard drives with lots of space. 1GB is great, but heres 40GB and no mini discs to lose.

I know you like to support your mini disc because you own one, and yes you're right if we lived in japan more people would carry this format. However, news flash we dont and when sony launches its ipod rip off shortly you'll see them go this way in north america.

Small hard drives are what the north american market craves and firewire is a very fast technology, but its more commonly found on apple computers. So most people use USB or USB2 that are also both very fast and quick means of file transfer.

Right now in the north american market place the Ipod is the BEST MP3 PLAYER. If we lived in Japan you would pose an interesting argument however MD tech doesn't compete with the Ipod here.

Btw, was I wrong when I said the MD technology was old and has been around for a while. No I wasn't. Get your head out of your ass.

Now, so you all know I dont own an Ipod.

Edit// Please note the use of North America in my talk. For you please stick to America.

[CD5Passion]

w00t i love my macintosh computer

[pdiggitydogg]

Man its not like were discussing something like vhs and dvd.
Its 2 separate things. (i guess it'd be like vhs and beta)
Original md tech is old, yeah. Do you see anyone using that stuff? No. It never ceases to surprise me that you never admit to your mistakes. Pull your own head out dude...stop nit-picking. If md is old, according to you, then mp3's are dinosaurs.

Im not saying ipod sucks. I dont know where your getting that from. Ipod is great...for what it is...a giant portable hd. Ive concidered getting one since even before they made them pc compatable. Then I realized theyre seriously flawed. - Here's a crap load of songs...I'll stash them on a portable hd. Cool. Ok now try to find songs purely based on alph/numerical order. Ok not bad. Oh wait...you only get a jog dial and an enter button. Hmm...this isnt as easy as it started out to be...almost a pain in the ass when you want to listen to say Talib Kweli and youre at 2pac. I find it a pain to try to get to that on 60songs w/ my jog dial (and it skips quickly).

Have you ever held a 40gb ipod? How about a 20gb? Have you ever tried to run w/ something of that weight? Probably not. I have...its not exactly something Id call comfortable when something of that heft is boucing around. I'll stick to lightweight, cheaper, more versatile items.

You know...I think you must just have md-envy. Go out, get one, be satisfied. Your sig used to say life is too short for drama...guess thats why you removed it; you love to start problems.

Edit**Oh and...I still love apple over pc too

[biker's back]

pdiggitydogg I have been very close to buying an Ipod and have held, listen and walked around with one; run with one no. Bike with one, yes a friend lent his 20GB to me for a ride when I was thinking of buying one.

Last I checked a small hard drive that can run none stop for 8-12 hours on a small battery was rather new technology.

I think it was about 4 years back now, maybe 5 years when a friend of mine bought an MD player with the 74min disks. I remember him always searching for the 'other disk' that has his music on it and I dont recall him ever getting great battery life.

The MD player might be smaller and lighter but on a single disk it doesn't hold half the information. Ipod is the best MP3 Player on the market. As for other files that can be stored on a MD player or its successes in Japan that is rather unimportant in our talks over the best mp3, as even you yourself stated it doesn't compete with MP3 players. So what gives? You really are as dumb as I thought, sadly in all of your 'japan uses MD players' knowledge you still fall short of being a worldly american. Just face facts.

In the North American market place, when looking for an MP3 player your best option is the Ipod.

You own a mini disk player, good for you. Sony has plans of its own to launch an MP3 player similar to the Ipod and when that happens you will see MD fall to the way side of shelves all across america and canada.

I realize Sony isn't the only person making MD in the world, however they are the people that push it the most here in North America.

So dude, stfu and sit down. Your arguments hold no ground and I wasn't debating the MP3 format as being old or not I was refering to the media in which it was held on. Portable hard drive that in short order will well exceed anyones pratical use for MP3 storage, or 1GB disks that fit into a product Sony will drop once their MP3 player hits the market.

Now the final thing I will say on this is if you are so worried about sound quality dont download music of the internet. The minute you rip music and bring it down to less then CD quality sound you aren't getting the same deal so whatever you buy it will be less quality, MD or not.

As for my admitting i'm wrong, I don't have an issue with that. As for if I was wrong if Ipod is a better MP3 player then anything currently on the market. If you think I'm wrong, go do your research and see what 300 million people across north america have to say. They speak with their $$ and have been buying up Ipods like crazy and thats not because MD has 1GB disks or is smaller and lighter. Its because Ipod is the best product out there. Full stop end of story.

You can argue with me, but bro lets face it. You ain't to smart to argue with facts. Silly kid.

As for my sig, I choose to put whatever I want in there whenever I want. So budy fuck off and realize when it comes to world events you know NOTHING!

[pdiggitydogg]

Man all you do is repeat the same crap over and over. I think its you that needs to "stfu" and "sit down". Youre not doing anything but taking up bandwidth and giving me something to do at work.

Youre, right about the 74mins coming out 4+ years ago - that was the first blank md size. Around 3-4yrs ago battery life wasnt that great because at that point md's were using the old esp technology to prevent skipping of the discs. Today's players use "g-protection" and I easily get over 6hrs on the standard battery in any play-mode. I can also attach a 2ndary back-up AA battery to extend it to another 2.5hrs. So theres matching times. Realize that the md is doing more work and still getting good efficiency w/ todays md technology.

This is pathetic. You need to make up things in order to continue an arguement. Youre either really bored or just plain pathetic. Did I mention anything about downloading music? I dont think so. I remember saying trasfering music from cd's and retaining better-than-mp3 quality...but thats about all. Again...you must just have md-envy to bring up that totally moot point.

If ipod is "the best thing out there" then why do official music recordings never go on ipod? Why do they use md? Why do reporters use md if ipod's are "the best thing out there"? Once again, since you can't seem to get it, md is more versitale. Ipod is completely dependent on the computer...md you dont even need anything but the md, a disc, and a mic/mini cable.

The only person thats making this an arguement is you "kid". Im stating full-on facts about versatility, weight, convenience and all you have to say is "we're not in japan" and "ipod is the best thing out there" you sound like a 6yr old child complaning about pokemon. Yes, ipod is "the best" MP3 player out there. MD is not meant to be a mp3 player. Its meant to be something else entirely...the fact that it does enable a person to play mp3's just ads to its usefulness.

Did I touch on a soft-point when I mentioned your signature? Did someone else point that out too? Golly gee...sorry about that. I think I can safely say I know more about "the world" as a whole and its events than you do...and I dont think there is any point in discussing that in a post that has nothing to do w/ anything but portable audio devices.

In fact, I cant see any point in discussing this matter any further since 97civic probably already bought something. Which I hope he enjoys, whichever unit he decided to get. Now that Ive said that Im finished, be the "bigger man" since you keep calling me a kid and refrain from posting more dribble and pointless "facts", as you call them.....which in reality are only the same few things set on repeat.

[biker's back]

You seem to have forgotten his original question, was he not looking for an MP3 player? Bring me to the conclusion he probably has a bunch of mp3's he wants to play, to which the sound quality doesn't matter.

Where you side tracked is in the MD being a superior product for music listening, when thats really hard to ubtain with MP3 already being an inferior file format.

However, you have still yet to touch on the key points of North America's best selling MP3 PLayer, which right now is the ipod. 6 hour life, how about 12 hours? You might be able to convince some people here that you are right, and I will admit you pose a good point for someone not in the know. But when you dig deeper, one realizes that your facts are one sided as you are an owner of an MD player but yet do not touch on the simple fact...

Ipod holds the largest market share of MP3 players, to which my main point of it being the best player comes from. You are basing your argument on the notion that sound quality and size are what determines the best player. But dude this is wrong, it can't be what does if the best player is neither of these things. The best player is the one that sells the most and the people have spoke, not you or I but the people. Those people are saying 'Ipod' not "MD" and they speak with their wallets.


This point of market domination is one you don't seem to touch on and is why I told you to shut up about your MD player. I repeat myself because you are not able to touch on this issue and until you do you do not have an argument against me or the people I speak of.

My opnion comes untainted, I've done my research and I know the sales facts. I also own a dell laptop and not an apple. When I tell you the Ipod is the best thing on the market right now its because its the most sold player for a reason. That's because it offers rechargable 12hour batteries, large media to store files on, easy to use features, menus, random play back and easy file transfers.

So enough is enuogh, do your research on what numbers say not on what your personal experience is. You're small minded views on this situation and lack of knowledge beyond your MD player are what are causing your headaches.

Yuo also claim you can't put files other them MP3's on a Ipod.

For both Mac and PC users, the iPod reigns as reviewers' favorite MP3 player. With its fast FireWire (or USB 2.0) connection, you can transfer over 100 CD's worth of music in about ten minutes onto the iPod's 15GB hard drive. Plus, you can use the iPod as a portable hard drive to back up important files. If you don't need that kind of capacity, the new breed of microdrive players, like the iPod Mini, are smaller, lighter, and get better battery life than the full-size iPod. And many reviewers say the Nomad Zen Xtra, below, is the better value with 30GB for the less money.
http://www.consumersearch.com/www/electronics/mp3_players/

[97CivicBoy]

yo yo guys chill...i ddidnt even get ne thign yet...went to best buy today tho...and the guy was sayin that the ones that hold GB instead of MB are not good for runnin since parts in them move and they will break...is this tru...now i'm thinkin of gettin the 512mb one or 256mb....my boy works at best buy and is gonna get me a discount so i'll see what he says

[biker's back]

well those ones are build on flash memory and he his right, moving parts do fail in time. BUT when was the last time your hard drive in yoru computer crapped out? It was probably a fewyears, hard drives are built for something like 10,000 hours (could be more) so you would have to listen none stop for 1 years stop and even then I dont think it would fail on you.

On the cheap players you are more likely to have the board or screen go then on the hard drive or MD model of players.

They are considered desposable technology and thats partly why they are so cheap

[pdiggitydogg]

4hd's in 3yrs
stationary laptop

[biker's back]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
4hd's in 3yrs
stationary laptop

you still have yet to touch on the most important issue, the fact is the majority is not you when it comes to MD players.

As for my hard drive use, i've had the same hard drive on for 5 years none stop, some at work have been on for 2 years and we've got a laptop here thats coming up one 6 years old. Good drives don't fail.

[pdiggitydogg]

I havent touched on the issue because Im tired of your shit...Ive decided to just let you keep ranting since all you can do is restate the same things over and over...and over again.

I dont care what #'s say...that doesnt say shit exept that people are as they always will be...lemmings. Do exactly what everone says they should and be exactly like everyone else.

So keep it up...Id be surprised if anyone is even paying attention to you. Hell, the only people that has probably even read the last few posts have been the two of us.

I'll shut up so you can stop with your consistant reiterations.
(now go ahead and respond like I know you will...It will do you a lot of good.)

[97CivicBoy]

yeh but when i run on teh treadmill and stuff...he said parst will move...u dton take ur computer hardrive on a treadmill...he said itwill runi teh player...is this true....lemme kno

[pdiggitydogg]

Well Ive never ran w/ my laptop, but like I said I have run w/ md's...all of them. The only reason I changed players was because I wanted new tech...they all still work fine and they have moving parts just like a cd player.
Id be a little cautious w/ something like an ipod because of its plates. I mean if my stationary hd can go through 4hds just sitting there and getting minor travel time then running can definately break an ipod over time and use

[biker's back]

Originally posted by 97CivicBoy
yeh but when i run on teh treadmill and stuff...he said parst will move...u dton take ur computer hardrive on a treadmill...he said itwill runi teh player...is this true....lemme kno

Particularly with the mini ipod, the thing is built for you to move around with it.

If the only running you do is on your treat mill, put the thing in one of the bottle holders thats what I'd do.

[biker's back]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
I havent touched on the issue because Im tired of your shit...Ive decided to just let you keep ranting since all you can do is restate the same things over and over...and over again.

I dont care what #'s say...that doesnt say shit exept that people are as they always will be...lemmings. Do exactly what everone says they should and be exactly like everyone else.

So keep it up...Id be surprised if anyone is even paying attention to you. Hell, the only people that has probably even read the last few posts have been the two of us.

I'll shut up so you can stop with your consistant reiterations.
(now go ahead and respond like I know you will...It will do you a lot of good.)

But see the thing is, I dont have to come up with other reasons. People have spoken, reviews say its amazing and you're the one here telling people its not as good as MD.

I've mentioned the battery life is twice that of an MD player, the storage is 40times that of a single MD disk and I've proven that your belief that you can't store anything but music files on your Ipod is wrong. If i'm not mistaken I've covered everything you've tried to counter on the Ipod side of things not to mention the sound quality thing. The only thing you have that I don't touch is teh size. No one doubts its smaller and lighter.

So now if the people are that dumb, why is it the civic was one of the best selling cars in north america for the last few years? I mean people must be really dumb to want good gas milage, long life, well constructed, well finished and at a fair price.

Going off on what you've said about people being dumb and then also going to extreems about what I've said. You would believe that the civic is only selling becuase of the hype. Dude cut the bull. everything you tell me I am can be said about you. You call me stuborn and a prick. However I can say the same if not more about you. But you say I cause drama, being right about something and not letting you tell me otherwise isn't drama its just standing up to an ignorant fool. I tell you its teh best selling player in north america and you tell me that doesn't make it the best MP3 player. Well if that doesn't i guess the best selling car in north america isn't the best selling car. See where I am going.

To my final point, for you to think you have any idea of whats happening outside of your little slice of the world never mind all the way over to japan makes me laugh. As an american you could not fathum (sp?) the lack of news coverage of world events you miss out on. So please don't tell me you know of anything happening anywhere other then america.

The Ipod out sells MD, flash memory and any other MP3 players on the market. Thats the cold hard facts, don't believe me well I've read it from two sources and one of them was a US magazine. The Ipod sells well all over the world too. So forgive me if I come off as stuborn, I'm just not letting some ignorant person like your self sel someone on an MD player because you own one. It isn't the best player out there because if it was it would out sell everything esle. I repeat my points because YUO DONT LISTEN! You immaturly push aside my points by telling people cusomers are dumb, mate just shut up. Yuo started the drama not I. My point was a simple one and it didn't attack anyone, but after your smart comment about one point i made and the fact i think very poorly off you I decide to tell you otherwise.

[pdiggitydogg]

You know, I had a whole bunch of stuff written for you. But Ive decided AGAIN (since youre the one who cant get it) that Im totally finished talking to you.
Youre not worth anyones time. You cant read well, you dont pay attention, you dont add any usefulness to this board as a member.
Like I knew you would, you responded w/ more of the same stuff; including name-calling and childish ignorance along w/ prejudice (which I have seen from you on many occasions).

Thanks for keeping me entertained...it wasnt much fun.
Now, you may think that I'll be "abusing" or "flaunting" my moderator's powers, but if I see any post from you in this thread other than what its originally meant for (which is audio devices if you forgot) it will be deleted...same goes for myself (other mods)

[BlackWolf]

Originally posted by biker's back
You have serious issue, why not post what you had written? As for deleting this I'll just keep posting it. Just because you dont like my opinion abuot this topic doesn't mean you have the write to sensor me.

You dont deserve to be a mod!

As for my not adding something to this board, I have been known to give very good relationship advice.


Hmmmm....:hmmm: Yeah......I could say a million things in reply to this but I believe that pdigg already has responded appropriately and defended himself quite well. You have only proved his point with this latest reply. I rest my case. The thread will be closed if this behavior continues.

[biker's back]

Originally posted by BlackWolf
Hmmmm....:hmmm: Yeah......I could say a million things in reply to this but I believe that pdigg already has responded appropriately and defended himself quite well. You have only proved his point with this latest reply. I rest my case. The thread will be closed if this behavior continues.

Please stay out of this, it would be for the better.