Went to the Track (bout time)

[cashizslick]

Well, i finally went to the track with my car.

My first run ever was horrible lol. After i staged, i just kinda looked around and was thinking, "Wow, im actually at the track". Then before i knew it the light was green and in a panic i got a shitty launch for a time of 15.829 @ 88mph.

2 runs later howerver, (after getting the hang of the lights and a slightly better launch) i was able to run 15.631 @ 89mph.

How did i do? I had fun, but i really think my car is capeable of at least 15.5 or 15.4 if i get a better launch. I definately plan on going to the track again.

BTW, the only mods on my B16 are a crappy intake and a Catback exhaust (stock headers and catylitic converter.)

[VR4_Craver]

I always thought that the b16 where faster than that. Granted the nasty launch and all i just thought they would be better. Keep on practicing youll get the hang of it. First time i went was just like that. As soon as I staged it seemed like the lights had changed. Ran 15.8 first time waiting for the green. With a reaction of like .7 something I ran a 15.6. And only go the two in. I easily think i could have got better. Just keep trying

[MAXed Out]

Dude for a b16 those are some crappy times. Well even tho its ur first time u should be doing a lot better than that bro.

[Fatal070]

not bad man im sure you'll do better with more practice......:)

[IALuder]

heh. im not a fan of the B16 (torqueless wonder) but if his times are so crappy what should he be running in your mind?

imo those are some good times for the facts of it being your first time and not used to the Lights. most civics with a D16 run 16-17 second 1/4 mile. i think your doing just fine. keeping going back to the track.

i went to the track last wensday ran a 14.7. i only ran my car 3 times. the track was so packed. but it was a good day to go. 85 degree weather sunny with a small breeeze. perfect! i only had an intake and exhuast plus my Nitto 555 drags.

[AzCivic]

I've run a 16.5 w/ my D, at 3100FEET elevation, which is supposed to convert to 15.88 near sea level, this was before the traction bars when wheel hop was a b*tch.

[AzCivic]

cash what were your 60' times?

[GT40FIED]

^ Yeah...to truely figure out what went wrong (if anything), you'd need reaction time, 60ft. time, and trap speed of each run. And you're right about the trees...it took me a visit or two to the track to get used to them and how fast they drop.

[pimpinprelude]

you will get better with practice....

somebody told me to react to the yellow.. idk sounds like a good way to redlite..

[AzCivic]

you could react to the other guy passing the finish line and it wouldnt impact your ET.

but if you're in a real race w/ someone else then yeah reacting to the 3rd yellow is what to do.

[Fatal070]

I had a 16.3 out of my d16y8 with intake and catback GREAT reaction times... .5

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by AzCivic
I've run a 16.5 w/ my D, at 3100FEET elevation, which is supposed to convert to 15.88 near sea level, this was before the traction bars when wheel hop was a b*tch.

Fuel injection should change your air mixture based on your altitude no? I figure your O2 sensor would tell the computer that it needs less fuel and adjust accordingly for 3100 feet.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by V8killimports
Fuel injection should change your air mixture based on your altitude no? I figure your O2 sensor would tell the computer that it needs less fuel and adjust accordingly for 3100 feet.

it does, but the altitude still hurts since you cant pull the same density of air at 3000ft as you can at 15ft.

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
it does, but the altitude still hurts since you cant pull the same density of air at 3000ft as you can at 15ft.

That's exactly what I mean... let's say you want 1 part air to every part fuel. You only get say .5 part air at 3000 feet, so the computer compensates for this by only giving .5 part fuel.

Maybe it's just me.. but a FI unit should compensate for this. Same with any airplane. You go up in altitude and lean the mixture.. but get the same performance than you do at lower alt.. actually better performance due to the cooler air.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by V8killimports
That's exactly what I mean... let's say you want 1 part air to every part fuel. You only get say .5 part air at 3000 feet, so the computer compensates for this by only giving .5 part fuel.

Maybe it's just me.. but a FI unit should compensate for this. Same with any airplane. You go up in altitude and lean the mixture.. but get the same performance than you do at lower alt.. actually better performance due to the cooler air.

it does compensate for it, but remeber at 3000 feet oxygen may only be 1000 ppm(parts per million) instead of 1500ppm or whatever(making numbers up) compaired at ground lvl. the combustion chamber can only hold X amount of air, if the o2 level is lower then the computer makes the adjustment, however it lower the amount of gas for the burn, not pull more air to level out the amount of gas that would be ideal for that rpm. less gas/air but the same ratio will yeild less power considering you run ideal at sealevel.

[cashizslick]

Ok, here is the info from my BEST time:

R/T . . . .465
60 . . . 2.483
330 . . . 6.741
1/8 . . . 10.190
MPH . . . 71.64
1000 . . . 13.128
1/4 . . . 15.631
MPH . . . 89.71

[GT40FIED]

That reaction time looks so-so and the 60ft looks like it could be better...but the e.t. and trap speed match up pretty well. If there is more to be had from that car, it's not much. But that confuses me. In the early 90s people were driving Mustangs to mid-low 14s with around 215 net hp. A B16A is sporting 170hp (or is it 160?...not like 10hp makes a huge difference) and the Hondas weigh less so shouldn't they be pulling high 14s at least?

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by V8killimports
That's exactly what I mean... let's say you want 1 part air to every part fuel. You only get say .5 part air at 3000 feet, so the computer compensates for this by only giving .5 part fuel.

Maybe it's just me.. but a FI unit should compensate for this. Same with any airplane. You go up in altitude and lean the mixture.. but get the same performance than you do at lower alt.. actually better performance due to the cooler air.

less fuel being burned means less power being made, theres a reason the engines make a buttload of power have crappy gas mileage.

the only way to even it out would be w/ a turbo or supercharger and up the boost a little to be able to extract the same amount of oxygen as at lower altitudes.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by cashizslick
Ok, here is the info from my BEST time:

R/T . . . .465
60 . . . 2.483
330 . . . 6.741
1/8 . . . 10.190
MPH . . . 71.64
1000 . . . 13.128
1/4 . . . 15.631
MPH . . . 89.71

hey at least you and i have one thing in common, our 60ft times. are you getting any wheel hop?

[IALuder]

Gt40 your comparing a 5.0 to a 4 banger....

[nonovurbizniz]

No he's comparing a 3500+ lb. car with 215 hp to a 2500- car with 160...

He's right... Only mustangs are RWD... so they hook up much better and get better 60ft times and traction throughout the run.

Cashslick has a EX though which is the "heaviest" civic... so that could be slowing him down...

The 60fts look like they could be dropped... but it would probobly take messing with your tire pressure or slicks...

What pressure were you running?

[ChrisCantSkate]

with enough practice you should be able to get 2.3-2.2's on street tires. that alone could shave .4 or .5 off your time

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by AzCivic
hey at least you and i have one thing in common, our 60ft times. are you getting any wheel hop?

YES.

and, my launches can use some practice. Ive gotta find the right RPM, im launching somewhere around 3.5k - 4k rpms, but i need to practice.


GT, the one main thing you are forgetting about why my car is slow is that it has NO torque.