Sad story

[KwikR6]

http://zrxoa.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50262
No cliff notes.
Read the fucking thing.

[Kalvin]

Yeah.. I read that last week. Pretty depressing. I would like to get a motorcycle one day, but every summer I'd come across a thread about someone going down and getting killed or seriously injured, making me wonder if it'd be worth the risk.

[GT40FIED]

Man...that's messed up. It's like reading "Moby Dick". You know it's all about how much it sucks to be human, but you read it anyway.

That being said, I'm sure I'll catch all hell for what comes next. That guy was a pansy. Speaking from a point of a person who has been physically challenged and somewhat depressed at various times since birth, I find it insulting that this guy chose the cowards way out. Truely living your life is 100 times harder than dying and if your life is so drastically altered by your appearance and physical abilities then it didn't mean much to begin with. The melodrama and triteness of his post coincides with the way in which he met his end. No, I can't imagine what it's like to be normal one minute and then disfigured the next...that is because, in a sense, I've always been disfigured by most people's standards. Add to that the fact that almost everyone is depressed at some point in life whatever the reason, be it purely mental, a love lost, a death of a close friend or relative...whatever. I am not a praying man and if I were I would refuse to pray for a coward who left this world of his own volition. Rather I would pray for his son and hope he never realizes the rather "convenient" way in which his father left this world. I'd also pray that his family could come to terms with their loss and understand what made this man feel that his ultimate end was the only solution. Yes, we've all got problems. Some larger than others. But in the end by taking your own life you're only proving that you couldn't do what matters most...actually living that life. I remember my mother once asked me in regards to my condition if I wished I'd never been born at all. My answer was immediate and simple. "No...that's for pussies and people who don't know what life is really about. Experiences that trouble you are probably the best experiences of all because they teach you what it truely means to live".

Flame away if you want, but my guess is that none of you will ever understand as much about physical pain and deformity as I do what it is to be this guy and NOT take the coward's way out. I honestly do feel bad for speaking ill of the dead, but such behavior should not be tolerated from anyone...especially someone who put up such a fight to live.

[biker's back]

Thats one of the reasons I wont ever get a bike, not to mention the others.

[VR4_Craver]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
That being said, I'm sure I'll catch all hell for what comes next. That guy was a pansy. Speaking from a point of a person who has been physically challenged and somewhat depressed at various times since birth, I find it insulting that this guy chose the cowards way out. Truely living your life is 100 times harder than dying and if your life is so drastically altered by your appearance and physical abilities then it didn't mean much to begin with. The melodrama and triteness of his post coincides with the way in which he met his end. No, I can't imagine what it's like to be normal one minute and then disfigured the next...that is because, in a sense, I've always been disfigured by most people's standards. Add to that the fact that almost everyone is depressed at some point in life whatever the reason, be it purely mental, a love lost, a death of a close friend or relative...whatever. I am not a praying man and if I were I would refuse to pray for a coward who left this world of his own volition. Rather I would pray for his son and hope he never realizes the rather "convenient" way in which his father left this world. I'd also pray that his family could come to terms with their loss and understand what made this man feel that his ultimate end was the only solution. Yes, we've all got problems. Some larger than others. But in the end by taking your own life you're only proving that you couldn't do what matters most...actually living that life. I remember my mother once asked me in regards to my condition if I wished I'd never been born at all. My answer was immediate and simple. "No...that's for pussies and people who don't know what life is really about. Experiences that trouble you are probably the best experiences of all because they teach you what it truely means to live".

Flame away if you want, but my guess is that none of you will ever understand as much about physical pain and deformity as I do what it is to be this guy and NOT take the coward's way out. I honestly do feel bad for speaking ill of the dead, but such behavior should not be tolerated from anyone...especially someone who put up such a fight to live.

:bow: :bow: :bow:

[KwikR6]

Hey GT I won't say anything because I agree with you.
The only thing is suicide for some people isn't just cause they want to. You have to remember that people that committ suicide usually aren't mentall stable. Their brain is usually chemically inballanced, they are usually missing a lot of pieces up in the old noodle that most 'normal' people have. I think suicide is a cheap way out, but I have been through it and still deal with it everyday. No not your typical oh I'm depressed cause I'm a teenage bullshit. I'm 24 years old and I deal with depression, I'm worse then a rollercoaster, and have been through therapy and everything. I choose not to take drugs because I honestly feel as though, it fucks you up more. So coming from me, I can sort of see where he is coming from.

Think about that situation for a second, think about what would go through your mind after getting news like that.

You're being pricked and prodded at for a hellish 7 or 8 months. You're thinking all of this is going to be worth it in the end and I'll hopefully be able to raise your son while being halfway normal, everythings slowly getting better. Then all of a sudden, the suffering you went through means nothing because as it turns out, too many transfusions, youre gonna die.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify his suicide at all. I'm just saying that if it was me, or most of us, we might have done the same thing.


That being said, I'm sure I'll catch all hell for what comes next.
I sure hope not.

[biker's back]

gt i agree with you to suicide is weak yo!

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by Black Del Sol
Hey GT I won't say anything because I agree with you.
The only thing is suicide for some people isn't just cause they want to. You have to remember that people that committ suicide usually aren't mentall stable. Their brain is usually chemically inballanced, they are usually missing a lot of pieces up in the old noodle that most 'normal' people have. I think suicide is a cheap way out, but I have been through it and still deal with it everyday. No not your typical oh I'm depressed cause I'm a teenage bullshit. I'm 24 years old and I deal with depression, I'm worse then a rollercoaster, and have been through therapy and everything. I choose not to take drugs because I honestly feel as though, it fucks you up more. So coming from me, I can sort of see where he is coming from.

Think about that situation for a second, think about what would go through your mind after getting news like that.

You're being pricked and prodded at for a hellish 7 or 8 months. You're thinking all of this is going to be worth it in the end and I'll hopefully be able to raise your son while being halfway normal, everythings slowly getting better. Then all of a sudden, the suffering you went through means nothing because as it turns out, too many transfusions, youre gonna die.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify his suicide at all. I'm just saying that if it was me, or most of us, we might have done the same thing.

I hear you on the mental instability part Derik...not quite sure about the rest.

That post somehow reminded me of my father. My dad suffered through a year of chemo, always with a smile on his face. His only complaint was "I dunno...I feel a little tired today". When he was diagnosed I think he knew what the ultimate outcome would be and while his death was somewhat inevitable, I can't help but feel lucky for having had a father who had the dignity and courage to not choose his own way out. If I was in this kid's shoes, I'd never be able to forgive him. All of that said...I can honestly say I wouldn't have done the same thing in the same situation. Regardless of what life throws at me, I'm fighting 'til the end and going down swinging.

Side note: It's nice to hear your 24...being 22 (almost 23), I was starting to feel like an old man around here.:thumbsup:

[vtchgrl2k2]

omg how sad....damn, that brought down my day

[Rob]

First of all...Holy Shit on that story...I didn't expect the admins addition at the end....I really feel sorry for his kid

Second, GT I totally agree with you in what you are saying...I have had a few instances in my life where I wanted to end it all (I even chewed on the barrel of my 9mm once)...and then I thought to myself that it was a pussy way out and I got over it....and in the end it has made me a stronger person....bitter at times...but stronger

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AccordinStyle
Second, GT I totally agree with you in what you are saying...I have had a few instances in my life where I wanted to end it all (I even chewed on the barrel of my 9mm once)...and then I thought to myself that it was a pussy way out and I got over it....and in the end it has made me a stronger person....bitter at times...but stronger

No doubt...I think everyone's been in a similar place. I've been on that ledge a thousand times myself. But then you smack the yourself in the face and realize you're an adult now and it's time to stop being a pussy.

[JDMFantasy2k]

well i'm sure almost everyone had been close to that "edge" before but you have to think of his point of view of going about his buissness, to go see his girlfriend and then he realizes he's crippled. It's just the shock of it and i'm sure he was in pain as well. But i give you props GT you're a true fighter!

[bent_remy]

I'm sorry for the tragedy and am very sympathetic to his family but how could a real man, no matter what his circumstance kill him self and leave his 7 year old son to fend for himself in this harsh world. He couldn't, no father could.

[Shot 2 Hel]

just one of those things that makes me glad to not have to worry abou things like that for now, but i agree with GT on the whole suicide thing. My mom broke her kneecap, had breast cancer, and a viral heart infection within 3 years of each other, and she has made it through. And like someone else said, her biggest complaint was "I'm a little tired right now"

[pimpinprelude]

wow...:no:

[No.1_Stunna]

We had a motivational speaker come in and talk to us about the dangers of car accidents and stuff. Now this guy had already broken his neck twice from hockey as a teenager and never got it put in a Halo (the big metal thing) because he wanted to play hockey again. He was the daredevil type or whatever...So he was late to work on day and he had 2 motorcycles...one street bike and one racing bike. Now he figured he could make up for lost time by taking the racing bike. So hes going 180 mph down the highway and litteraly has to react to things a mile ahead because they are coming at him so fast and he didnt see an offramp until it was to late and he tried to veer away and he launched off of something (i forget what) and he flew a few hundred feet and landed on a concrete hill and left a body imprint 6" deep i think it was yet this guy didn't go kill himself. Now hes a motivational speaker to teenagers.

[black95gs-t]

I totally agree with GT. On a side note, life is all about risk management. We all make decisions based on weather the benefit is worth the risk. He made his choice. I make my choices and you make yours. Don't feel sorry for him. He did what he felt was necessary. You may not agree with it, but it was his choice to make. It was my choice to say this, the risk however is possible flameage for the next 30 threads or so. I think it was worth it though.
J