bad habits turn into bad things

[IALuder]

well guys my bad habit caught up to me. now it may not be that bad consider to others...but mine cost me a trip to court and a 49.50 fine. if you havent guess it already....i got a TICKET for not were my seatbelt.

i dont get it why do they the power to do that? its my choice not theres. :mad:

[mylittlecivic]

that sucks gota be careful

[ebpda9]

'cause of the insurance :yes:

[Racing Rice]

What I find funny is the fact that we dont have to wear helmets (in most states), but we do have to wear seatbelts. Seems like a double standard to be.

[juvenile]

My question to you guys though is, why wouldn't you want to wear one? With all the accidents going on lately, and peopel driving like crazy, why?
RR if you're stupid to be riding without a helmet...well I won't go beyond that.

IMO The gov't is acting like a parent, making you do something you should do and is just trying to shield you from something bad happening.

[SolPol]

Insurance. Bullshit. I know that's why they make you wear one, but you can't legislate personal choice.

It's like, in the Constitution or something.

[juvenile]

Most things the gov't does is bound to somehow somewhere be a cash grab, but why would you try to demonstrate freedome of choice by doing something stupid like that. I mean, you don't want trouble, just wear the seat belt. It'll only do you good in the end.

[MAXed Out]

FUCK the seatbelt never wore it never will. The pigs cant stop me from not wearing one. I THink it should be some one's choice of wearing one or not cause it their own personal life. If ur a lil punk like me then fuck it its my life and i do what ever the fuck i want to do with it.

[SolPol]

Originally posted by juvenile
Most things the gov't does is bound to somehow somewhere be a cash grab, but why would you try to demonstrate freedome of choice by doing something stupid like that. I mean, you don't want trouble, just wear the seat belt. It'll only do you good in the end.

If I hadn't heard so many stories about NOT wearing a seat belt saving someone's life than maybe I would agree with you.

[biker's back]

Originally posted by SolPol
If I hadn't heard so many stories about NOT wearing a seat belt saving someone's life than maybe I would agree with you.

For all the stories you hear like this, there are 100 more that say stealbelts save lives.

You arent too smart if you buy into this stuff...

[SolPol]

Eh

[IALuder]

but still. its the whole freedom of choice. its not like there going to stop some one a bike who isnt wearing a helemit. and there were people around me at the time doing so. its agianst the law here to ride without a helemit. i figured that would save more lives then a damn seat belt.

but then agian im some punk kid and he some rookie fuck looking to impresses his CO.

[SolPol]

Originally posted by SFKing
but then agian im some punk kid and he some rookie fuck looking to impresses his CO.

Been there :mad:

[GT40FIED]

I don't wear them...never have. Hell, I can barely reach the damn thing. My problem is that it's even a law. If I don't wear the belt, I and only I get hurt. That is, barring the extremely unlikely event that I fly out of my windshield like a missle into someone else's windshield. Here in KS and Missouri they've got this gay ass "click it or ticket" campaign. I'm starting to think they just needed a better reason for randomly pulling over minorities. But hell...seatbelts weren't even standard equipment on cars until...what?....the 70s so I'm thinking maybe they're not that great.

[biker's back]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
I don't wear them...never have. Hell, I can barely reach the damn thing. My problem is that it's even a law. If I don't wear the belt, I and only I get hurt. That is, barring the extremely unlikely event that I fly out of my windshield like a missle into someone else's windshield. Here in KS and Missouri they've got this gay ass "click it or ticket" campaign. I'm starting to think they just needed a better reason for randomly pulling over minorities. But hell...seatbelts weren't even standard equipment on cars until...what?....the 70s so I'm thinking maybe they're not that great.
Do you people actually believe what leaves your mouth?

If we follow your logic, improve impact worthiness of cars would be a joke to. Cause you know like in the 50's it wasnt like this.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by biker's back
Do you people actually believe what leaves your mouth?

Yes...I do. But please oh please opinion police, show me the error of my ways.:rolleyes:

[SolPol]

Man, "Click it or Ticket" has been in Jersey for at least the 8, nearly 9 years I've been driving.

And Biker, forget the 70s logic. I am only hurting me by not wearing a seatbelt. You cannot legislate personal choice. There can only be a crime if there's a victim. Who is the victim when I don't wear a seatbelt.

[SolPol]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Yes...I do. But please oh please opinion police, show me the error of my ways.:rolleyes:

:thumbsup: :toofunny: :thumbsup:

[biker's back]

Originally posted by SolPol
Man, "Click it or Ticket" has been in Jersey for at least the 8, nearly 9 years I've been driving.

And Biker, forget the 70s logic. I am only hurting me by not wearing a seatbelt. You cannot legislate personal choice. There can only be a crime if there's a victim. Who is the victim when I don't wear a seatbelt.

Where there is a problem is. Very quickly what just affects you, stops just affecting you. Say you have kids or even a loved one in the car with you. You dont wear a seat belt but you'll make your kids put one on? Or how about you get in a car crash a die, but if you had a seat belt on you'd have lived? What impact will that have on the people in this world that care about you?

Its been proven (at work so i dont have time to look it up) that even people in the back seats of yoru car can kill someone in teh front seat wearing a sealt belt if they dont buckle up.

i'm not sure how many car crashes you've been in but every single one I've been in has been better off because of the belts worn. My gf was stupid enough not to wear a belt and she's got a nice mark on her leg that she'll never get rid of because of that choice.

Arguing if seat belts work or not is silly because they have been proven to work. Heaven forbid the gov't try to save a few 1000 lives a year through a program that encourages seatbelts.

GT- man you must be real backwards, thought police no, but from the sounds of what comes out of your mouth I can understand why you'd see me as that. However you've got it confused with sound logic. Cheers

[SolPol]

Man, you two are fun.

$50 a time I get pulled over for no seatbelt is complete bullshit. You want to make me wear it? Figure out a better way.

[biker's back]

Originally posted by SolPol
Man, you two are fun.

$50 a time I get pulled over for no seatbelt is complete bullshit. You want to make me wear it? Figure out a better way.

when you, or someone you love die from a completely avoidable accident then you'll have paid the price.

[SolPol]

Man, you're right. You're not the thought police. You're the morals police.

It's a freakin' crapshoot in an accident whether a seatbelt helps or hinders.

[biker's back]

Originally posted by SolPol
Man, you're right. You're not the thought police. You're the morals police.

It's a freakin' crapshoot in an accident whether a seatbelt helps or hinders.

And you say it like morals is a bad thing... truly says alot.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by biker's back
GT- man you must be real backwards, thought police no, but from the sounds of what comes out of your mouth I can understand why you'd see me as that. However you've got it confused with sound logic. Cheers

Thought police? No...I said OPINION police. Please, try to pay attention. And what's this with "sound logic"? Sound logic my ass...how about "forcing my opinions on others as fact"? I merely stated that it's my...follow me here...OPINION that seatbelt laws are quite gay. And then the FACT that until only quite recently were they made standard equipment by the govt. Here's the problem...in an accident you really don't have any way of knowing what would or would not have hurt or helped someone, belt or no. And please don't play that trite "think of the children!" crap. That is NOT why those laws exist. If the govt. really cared about my safety things would be a lot different in this country...my guess is that it's an easy way for towns and cities to make a few extra bucks off of something you should probably do, but don't necessarily have to.

And yes...morals are a bad thing when they're ridiculously misfounded.

[Whiteclipse99]

My god!....is it that f-cking hard to put on a damn seatbelt?!

[biker's back]

Originally posted by Whiteclipse99
My god!....is it that f-cking hard to put on a damn seatbelt?!

amen to that!

[pdiggitydogg]

I always put mine on...feels weird to drive w/o it on

[IALuder]

im the exact opposite. it feels odd with it on. something going over my shoulder. if you get in a accident with or with out a belt the air bag should deploy and push you back. that is unless you drive 40 above the limit. i do everything the law say to do when i drive but a belt.

my way of solving this problem is the legal limited tint. installed today. ill just simply roll up my window so they cant see me.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by Whiteclipse99
My god!....is it that f-cking hard to put on a damn seatbelt?!

Ok..step back...remember that not everyone on the planet is like you. In my case, yes, it IS that fucking hard to put a damn seatbelt on. It is physically possible for me to do so, but the time and energy involved just aren't worth it. And I'm not talking like 5 or 10 seconds. For me it involves a lot of contortionist-like movements and the better part of a minute. So please think before you engage in what is tantamount to insulting certain people.

[biker's back]

gt- your logic is horrible. for 'the better part of a minute' you wont help increase the chances you'd survive a crash. Maybe if you're that physically impared you shouldnt be driving.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by biker's back
Maybe if you're that physically impared you shouldnt be driving.

Maybe if you're going to say completely asinine things you should keep your fucking mouth shut. Seriously...that's one of the most ludicrously prejudiced and jackass things I've heard in years...and I've heard a lot. I ignore a lot of the shit you say, but I think anyone can agree that such a statement makes you look like a fucking simp. Choke on your own bile, you white trash crotch gobblin.

As for using my seatbelt...there's no logic involved. It's a personal choice which are always devoid of any applicable logic. I like to get into my car and just go. Not fumble awkwardly with a seatbelt that may or not help me. "Oh but they do help...govt. statistics show that...". SHUT THE FUCK UP. I don't care what the govt. has to say. Don't trust them about anything else, why should I trust them here? Please lecture me some more about how my own personal choice is wrong. I'd really love to hear the nonsensical bullshit you spew about how my PERSONAL choice is wrong. Then we can talk about how my opinion is wrong. And then maybe how my very way of life is wrong. Fucking self righteous brat.

[biker's back]

relax dude, wow you get angry fast. You act like such a baby, you can dish out the challenges but when someone comes up against you with a counter point you get pissy. Grow up.

What i was getting when I said that was that if you cant put a seat belt on so that you can be safe in your car whatelse cant you do? You're post, and anger in your words reminds me of when my grandmother got in her 3rd car crash in a year and there were talks of her not driving.

Stop thinking with your emotions and start thinking with your brain and some logic.

[GT40FIED]

Relax? How'd you like me to tell you to relax after I just insulted you over something you had absolutely no control over and had been ridiculed about since you were a child? Think about that and tell me to relax again. And please don't tell me not to get angry. You can't even realize the conotation of the phrase you just typed so I don't think you're on an intellectual level worthy of me explaining to you why that pisses me off. Also, please show me where you made a counterpoint there. All I saw was a childish statement incorporated with a sucker punch. If you talk to people like that in real life, it's a wonder that you aren't wearing your own ass as a hat.

For someone who's sig denotes "life's too short for extra drama", you sure seem to enjoy causing extra drama. You can't even realize that you're telling me to relax and STILL insulting me. I'd put money down that I'm a more compitent driver than many of the people on this board, yourself included. Yet you insist that my inability to strap a piece of cloth across my body that is, for me, positioned in an inconvenient location easily is somehow indicative of my driving skills. Any logic to back that up? Your precious, precious logic which you fail to realize is usually irrelevent to a persons choices. But lo and behold, I do have a logic behind it. I play the odds. I've been driving for 7 years and haven't gotten so much as a fender-bender. So, by my own logic, the statistical probability of me getting into an accident that is life threatening is sufficiently low enough to warrant my not wearing a seatbelt. There's your fucking logic. Happy?

I'm suprised you don't live in the U.S. You've got the perfect mentality. Say shit you know will piss someone off and then throw up your arms and say "Whoa! What did I do wrong?" and play it like it's someone else's fault for reacting to your bullshit. And don't think you're fooling anyone...we all know it's bullshit.

[biker's back]

when you can communicate with me without using curse words then maybe i'd buy into your being all that you say you are.

As for your being a good driver or not, its not for me to say. What I was attempting to challenge the stuborn view that 'a minute to put a belt on' is not worth your life. If that is your argument for driving its a weak one and if you're argument is one of 'i cant put my seat belt on because i physically cant' then its flawed because i'm going out on a limb when I assume you put it on to pass your driving test. If you cant put your seat belt on and drive by the law you shouldn't be driving.

Its your issue not mine as to what got you worked up. I dont throw my hands in the air.

As for how I am in person as is EVERYONE else here. I am more complicated a person then could possibly be seen on this site. Get a grip and everything you call me or blame me for being like you can easily be found guilty for.

Wanna talk about smarts, what are you doign with your life that makes you say you're so much smarter then I am? Ya I didnt thinnk it was anything different then someone else. Get off your hire horse.

[GT40FIED]

Actually, during my drivers test, the instructor didn't make me put my belt on. And everytime I've gotten pulled over cops never mention it. Look...your limb just broke. So oh no....I'm breaking the law. See...here's the beauty of being a human. You have no standing to tell me what's worth my life and what isn't. Maybe to me that extra minute and physical strain isn't worth it. Maybe it is. It's not up to you. By that logic, someone who commits suicide with a 9mm handgun had a life worth only the price of the bullet...around $0.10. If I think my life is worth that minute and strain, then that's my choice. You don't get to tell me anything to the contrary.

What am I doing in my life? Nothing special. But then again one's intelligence is not the sum of their material accomplishments. You've shown me a lack of intelligence by berating and showing a general lack of respect to not only myself but to many others here. Now I'm a firm believer in respect not being deserved but earned, but you don't know myself or (by my own guess) hardly anyone else here who you browbeat. I know you like to present yourself as one of those "I call it like I see it" guys, but I don't see that in your wording. I see a calculated and thought out attempt to belittle someone while still appearing like they're the ones who took it the wrong way. I know you also wanted to be seen as sooooo complicated and whatnot. I don't see that either. I see someone who is in some ways a lot like me. Stubborn and opinionated but pretty laid back until something you percieve as stupid slips out of someone's mouth and then it's straight for the jugular...in your own way. The only difference is I won't present my opinions as facts or treat them as such. That and I guess I don't see nearly everything people say as stupid. But hey...that's me.

Look at that...a whole post and not a single swear word.

[biker's back]

well thank you for not swearing it was alot easier to read. I imagine we have so much conflict because we are more alike then we like admit and im leaving it at that.

The governemnt does all this because they attempt to have the peoples best interest in mine. Like it or not thats what they are trying do. Its pretty simple.

About how I see things, I'm a black and white type person and I also see the flaws in everything. It helps me in my job everyday, because i fix the problems before anyone sees them and anticipat the flaws in a campiegn (wow the drink is getting to me). anywho, if you see it as judgemental, I could understand why.

[IALuder]

with or without the belt....you can survive.
hell when i wrecked my civic....no belt....no injurys....at 45MPH.

[AzCivic]

i guess no ones ever seen an accident where some people WERE wearing seatbelts and some idiot didnt, so he goes bouncing around inside the car killing someone who DID have thier seatbelt on, nice. but i guess its his "right" not to, fuck the government right? i hope they pass a law banning russian roullete, maybe you people who will be damned if the govn't will tell you what to do, will defy it in an effort to "speak out" against a stupid law.

If you can drive, your ass should be wearing a seatbelt, everyone of you who dont are complete idiot.

and GT40 I remember you saying quite a few times " i can do anything you can do" or something like that. well if thats so, put on a damn seat belt, or if your lucky maybe you can win a darwin award.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by SFKing
with or without the belt....you can survive.
hell when i wrecked my civic....no belt....no injurys....at 45MPH.

wow a whole 45mph, you're so cool

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
and GT40 I remember you saying quite a few times " i can do anything you can do" or something like that. well if thats so, put on a damn seat belt, or if your lucky maybe you can win a darwin award.

Yes...I can...but I choose not to. I'm not saying it's for everyone, but you can't lump people who don't wear them into one big category of idiots. Cause you know it's great to pick a girl up for a date and be horribly embarrassed when you fumble with your damn belt for awhile before you go anywhere. Yeah...where can I get more of that?

As far as seeing the accidents, yeah I have. My brother is a paramedic and I was, for a very short time, a volunteer EMT. I've also seen how bad seatbelts can fuck you up.

[AzCivic]

how about you make something that'll hold the belt a little closer, actually there's probably companies out there that make what you need, hell the government will probably pay for it.

i've never heard of a seat belt killing someone in an accident they would have survived in without it, and if the accident is bad enough that the seat belt f'd them up they better be twice as glad they had that shit on.

[95DX]

I'd have to admit to occasionally not wearing by seatbelt but usually it was driving from where I was parked to a dumpster and tossing out the trash (was a janitor at one time), or driving extremely short distances (ie moving my car 5-10 feet, hit the end of my block on my way home), but for the most part I put it on. Im not implying either way is right or wrong but I think its kinda dumb not too. To me its not worth my time or $ to get pulled over and givin a dumb ticket for not having one on especially if Im already or close to being late somewhere and I myself feel a little safer having it on especially since I have hit the windshield and dashboard in a 53 Ford from a 2 mph quick stop (the driver didn't see someone coming at first) as well as the door coming open on it own on the same vehicle at least twice

[V8killimports]

You can argue about this shit as long as you want.. but ultimately it is YOUR choice.. and YOUR choice cost you $50 and a trip to jail.

[Whiteclipse99]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Ok..step back...remember that not everyone on the planet is like you. In my case, yes, it IS that fucking hard to put a damn seatbelt on. It is physically possible for me to do so, but the time and energy involved just aren't worth it. And I'm not talking like 5 or 10 seconds. For me it involves a lot of contortionist-like movements and the better part of a minute. So please think before you engage in what is tantamount to insulting certain people.


I'm sorry Steve. I did not mean to offend anyone in the comment I made. After reading this thread, it was just something I needed to get out. Like V8killimports said, it is ultimately ones choice to wear it, but I feel no sympathy towards anyone who has the nerve to bitch about it when they get a ticket and have to pay a fine.

[Otakuguy]

indeed, it is your choice. I choose to save myself 50 bucks and just wear a contraption that's built for my protection. I just don't see the point of driving without one on. Like most others have sadi, it's not worth my time, money, or my life. But to those who don't want to wear a seatbelt, I'm not stopping you. it's your choice.

[pdiggitydogg]

A lot, if not most, of the cars in japan dont have airbags, because everyone wears their seatbelts there.
They also sometimes dont put actual bumpers on the fronts of the cars.

So....removing your airbag (and getting a fun ek dash tray :) ) and bumper makes you jdm y0. But then you'd have to wear your seat belt. You wanna be jdm dont you gt?

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
You wanna be jdm dont you gt?

Oh Pdiggs...more than anything in the world! Oh...wait...no. A JDM Mustang would necessitate suicide.

[pdiggitydogg]

no doubt
They dont even ship them over there, do they?

[DsBlu01CivEX]

ironically I didn't read this thread when it was first started....but when you're really bored and not tired...you do crazy things.

After reading through almost all of the posts I have this to say....I wear my seatbelt even if i'm just driving across a parking lot. It's force of habit for me to do so. I get in the car and the first thing I do other than start my car, is put my seatbelt on. If I'm driving my passengers all have theirs on....but if we get in their car and they don't wear seatbelts, then that is their decision, not mine. I'm also not going to judge someone and tell them that they're a fool for not wearing one. I think it's been very well established that wearing your seatbelt is a personal choice that one has to make on their own. There are statistics that will prove what ever point you're trying to make....that's why debates are so much fun. But i'm also not going to have sympathy for the person that gets pulled over and fined for not having their seatbelt on. That's what your personal choice brings to you....sorry about your luck.

I do find it rather stupid though that states have a no helmet law, but you must wear a seatbelt. I still haven't figured that one out yet:rolleyes:

[nonovurbizniz]

I haven't read everything... but...

Seatbelts do infact save lives... it's one in a million that not having it saves your life... And to point out how crappy that logic is... Being COMPLETELY plastered drunk in an accident ups you survivablity DRASTICALLY... there are lots of ways... but that doesn't make driving around drunk as all hell a good idea.

If that story posted up here about the ONE girl who survived that accident in a honda with 3 other passengers all dying instantly... she was the ONLY one with a seatbelt on...

I didn't wear one for the longest time... but I ALWAYS do now...

As for the helmet comment on page 1... There ARE helmet laws and bikers DO get pulled over constantly for it. It depends on state law and area's commitment to enforcing it... much like the seatbelt thing.

They're doing if for your own good whether you like it or not... that is kinda anti-american IMO but... no one else wants to watch you die in an accident... not the other people envolved (if any) nor the cops/FD/paramedics cleaning up afterwards... it's a stressful enough job without cleaning up dead people who would've been fine if they just buckled up.

[SolPol]

Jersey has helmet laws. Prolly a good thing ;)