Got my first kill today!

[drdingo21]

MY girlfriend and I were coming home from the pet store (had to get crickets for the spider). Anyway coming down Bristol St., which is a 4 lane road. There were a svt mustang and 2 vans in front of me going 10 mph below the speed limit. So I weaved through them to get around them. After I passed them and looked in the review mirror, I see the svt follow suit and get right on my ass. (side note, the SVT had flowmaster exhast and that was the only thing I could see.)

We get caught at a light with the mustang behind me, and the first 3 cars in the lane beside me are turning, and there is nothing in front of us. So I wait, finally the light turns green and I go normally, I was waiting for the mustang to get beside me because I figured he want to race. Finally he does, we are both going 40 and as soon as he got beside me and he punched as did I, so we both got a good even start.

I instantly put him at my door. After that I just kept pulling on him by the top of 4th gear (120 mph) I had 1.5-2 car lenghts on him, and we had to slow for an upcoming light and traffic. They were really cool guys, As they passed me the driver nodded his head and the passenger gave me the tumbs up.

So there you have. MY first kill in my new car was an SVT mustang.
Being it was my first kill i had to tell someone, because my gf really didn't care for stuff like this. So i called mike (VR4_craver) and told him about it, and now I post it here!:)

[drdingo21]

BTW, i dunno if this is still true but there use to be people who olny troll the kill forums, so this is a link to my car.

http://www.hstuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18967

[ebpda9]

lol, at first i thought you killed mike's 2 dr minivan;)

[Wren57]

Im guessing it was a cobra of the 96-98 variety...?

Oh yeah, and good kill. :cool:

[black95gs-t]

Good kill man. Do you have any mods?
J

[Civickid0to60]

nice trophy win!:yes:

[drdingo21]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
lol, at first i thought you killed mike's 2 dr minivan;) LMAO, im gonna tell him you said that;)
But i did race him on the bypass from a 60 roll, and by the top of 4th i had 1-2 bus lengths on him :)

Thanks guys. I don't know what year it was. It was a newer one, if i had to guess i would say 98-00.

BTW the car is stock. I just couldn't wait to tell people i lit up an SVT;)

[Civickid0to60]

was it supercharged?

[drdingo21]

My car is only good of low 14s or high 13s.

[VR4_Craver]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
lol, at first i thought you killed mike's 2 dr minivan;)

yes he told me.....:no: not funny....:cool: j/k

But i did race him on the bypass from a 60 roll, and by the top of 4th i had 1-2 bus lengths on him

it wasnt THAT bad...he won but not by busses He was thinking he was all cool saying "Ill leave it 6th and you can use 4th" It took him a second to pass me ;) :yes:

[MAXed Out]

Wait i didn't think a 03 accord could take a SVT!

[MustangMan]

MY girlfriend and I were coming home from the pet store (had to get crickets for the spider). Anyway coming down Bristol St., which is a 4 lane road. There were a svt mustang and 2 vans in front of me going 10 mph below the speed limit. So I weaved through them to get around them. After I passed them and looked in the review mirror, I see the svt follow suit and get right on my ass. (side note, the SVT had flowmaster exhast and that was the only thing I could see.)

Ok, I was just reading the threads hear when I came across this one, Either you got alot of mods under your hood, the guy in the Cobra wasn't trying or you are just flat lieing through your teeth! Even if it was an older SVT you still wouldn't be able to take it in your Honda!

I'm calling BS on this! :no:

[MugenPoweredLude]

Originally posted by drdingo21
My car is only good of low 14s or high 13s.

are you kidding???

thats what you think
what the real racers know is that that car is capable of mid 14's to low 14's
theres now way youre beating an SVT cobra unless he wasnt racing...which he probally wasnt

i call BS on this too
nice try

NEXT!

[drdingo21]

Hmmm. I didn’t realize the last two post in this thread were made by morons.

Its painfully obvious you don’t have any idea what your talking about. So since you seem to be a little stupid, ill explain things to you. There are people with an automatic and an intake running 14.4s. But you don’t have to believe me. So ill dig up some website that prove you’re an idiot. For example heres one.
Mustang 1997 SVT
0-60 Mph 5.9 seconds
1/4 Mile 14.00 seconds @ 101.2 (according to two magazines)
Top Speed 152 Mph
Braking 60-0 mph 127 ft.
Braking 80-0 mph 227 ft.
80 ft slalom 52.1 mph
100 ft. skidpad 0.89g

Well that’s odd. That’s about where my car is! How can that be? That website must be wrong so ill check somewhere else….

1998 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.8 14.00

How can that be? The “real racer” said that I would have lost, but yet the mustangs performance is right at my cars performance Now that’s weird.

2004 Honda Accord Coupe EX V-6 5.9 14.30

Have I drove my point home yet that you don’t know what your talking about?

Or are you one of those people that will continue to talk shit even though I proved you wrong? But I have to hand it to you, with only 4 post your already talking about shit you have no idea about. You do impress me with you idiocy. Good job!

Maybe the “real racer” is a focking idiot?

[MustangMan]

Ok, well, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say that SVT had Flowmasters? This is only speculation, but if he had flowmasters, there's a good bet he had more than that!

I don't know what it is, but I've met very few Honda drivers that wernt masters of stretching the truth.

Now if you want me to eat my statment, then prove me wrong, got pics? got video? I want proof!

[drdingo21]

Yea, i drive around videotaping every time i drive somewhere. And if you think the flow master exhaust added 50 hp then your even dumber than i thought (and believe me i think your an idiot).

Even though i confront you with number that almost the exact same as my car, you still sit there and say i would have lost.

Your an ignorant dumbass.

As far as the Honda and liar thing. Thats ok, because i don't know too many mustang drivers that aren't missing their front teeth and stink also like to rape there sisters.
(hint its called stereotype)

What are you doing on this site anyway. Just to sit here and troll?

[ebpda9]

now play nice kids, or i will get ban happy ;) :yes:

[CD5Passion]

damn dude, some of you FORDians sure are hellbent are proving that nothing is faster than mustangs huh?
I've seen plenty mustangs destroyed by hondas

it's great when some of ya only become a member for the soul purpose to prove someone wrong

[black95gs-t]

MustangMoron wants to be steoertype happy huh? Ok, lets try this one. I was out riding my R1, yeah the 440 pound 1000cc 130 RWHP crotchrocket. Dude pulls up next to me in a s/c 03 SVT Mustang. He wanted to go from a 70 punch. I am thinkin this guy is totally retarded. All bikes are fast, but openclassers own the topend spectrum. Well I raced any way. I went all the way down to third for this just because I really wanted to embarass him. Well I shut it down at about 160 in 5th gear,(I still had 6th), when I had about 4 bus lengths on him. He then goes flying by with his blinkers on like he won. He slowed down and followed me to a gas station and asked how I felt now that a Mustang had beaten me. All I could do was laugh. I told him he was out of his mind and that I had already shut it down way before he passed me. Guess what, he didn't believe me. We got back on the freeway with my extra 40 pounds of gas now. We did it again. This time though, I purposefully stayed at his door and kept looking at him untill I knew he was at the top of 6th. At that point I waved and left him like a Geo Metro. I shut it down again and he goes flying by again with his blinkers on. I know he went and told all of his friends he just smoked an R1 twice on the freeway. It didn't matter though. If they ever see him race one they will know the truth anyway. From this experience I could infer that all Mustang drivers are cockey, arrogant, ignorant, narcisistic retards, but instead I have just placed those lables with the driver of that particular Mustang. There are drivers of every car and truck, and even riders of every bike that are stupid and do things like that Mustang driver did. Before you go slingin mud at a particular driver, make sure your house isn't made of glass. The guy your slingin at might have plenty of mud to throw back and then there is just a big mess of mud and windex is expensive. By the way, did you ever consider maybe he was a better driver than the guy in the Mustang?
J

[ricerX]

Interesting. I guess that depends on specifically which year and model of SVT Cobra you're looking at. I'm not doubting that you won, but you should have had a bad day racing newer style cobra. Most of the newer body style if that's what you raced (99-04) run low 13's to high 12's stock.

Here's the stats for the 2003 SVT Cobra according to Edmund's:

Horsepower : 390 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 390 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Top speed : 155 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 4.7 sec.
0-¼ mile : 12.7 sec @ 110.1 mph
60-0 braking distance : 116 ft

Please keep in mind that I jumped from a Mustang to the GSR that I have now. I really like my integra, but I don't have any dilusions about it being a speed demon even with the mods. Congrats on your kill, your driving was apparently better than the other person's.

black95gs-t...that guy was an idiot.

[drdingo21]

Well it was defintly a 98 or older. And since it was from a roll, i don't think skill had much to do with it. Just punch the gas and keep it in a straight line.

[MAXed Out]

Dude i'm with drdingo on this one. I own a 97 Maxima SE 5spd and it has around 200 hp(give or take). With just an exhaust the person i got the car from ran a 15.2 with the same gen maxima also 5spd even saw the slips and he has 154K on it. The accord he has is a 6 banger and is 5spd also VTEC and much lighter then a max + at least 30-40 hp more. so u do the math mustangman.

[MustangMan]

Yea, i drive around videotaping every time i drive somewhere. And if you think the flow master exhaust added 50 hp then your even dumber than i thought (and believe me i think your an idiot).

Even though i confront you with number that almost the exact same as my car, you still sit there and say i would have lost.

Your an ignorant dumbass.

As far as the Honda and liar thing. Thats ok, because i don't know too many mustang drivers that aren't missing their front teeth and stink also like to rape there sisters.
(hint its called stereotype)

What are you doing on this site anyway. Just to sit here and troll?

QUOTE]

Ok Dipsh!t! I didn't say the exhaust addes 50 HP, I said it was more than likly that he had more mods than that, so he more than likly was pulling more HP than what you quoted with your Stock Stats. F-ck head!

BTW, Saying I'm missing my teeth and f-cking my sister is stereotyping, but me calling Honda guys lairs isn't cause its a damned proven fact! I have seen some fast Hondas, but very few, the fact is, most people don't have enough money to make them fast, but they enjoy comming on message boards and braging about how fast they are. They even make up stories about races that never happend so all of their gay little friends can say, "I know a guy with a honda so fast it could take Mustang Cobra"!




[QUOTE]damn dude, some of you FORDians sure are hellbent are proving that nothing is faster than mustangs huh?
I've seen plenty mustangs destroyed by hondas

it's great when some of ya only become a member for the soul purpose to prove someone wrong



Yeah, and you honda guys are hellbent on lieing about your cars taking cars that they never had a f-cking chance of taking.

Yeah, I'll bet you have seen plenty of mustangs taken buy hondas, 3.8 V6's right? Probaly dressed up like GT's or Cobras, these guys have the same problem as you guys, they try to make something look fast that is not fast, and they lie about it!

I only become a member of a board to spread the truth! When ever I see someone telling a f-cking lie, I can't keep my mouth shut.

MustangMoron wants to be steoertype happy huh? Ok, lets try this one. I was out riding my R1, yeah the 440 pound 1000cc 130 RWHP crotchrocket. Dude pulls up next to me in a s/c 03 SVT Mustang. He wanted to go from a 70 punch. I am thinkin this guy is totally retarded. All bikes are fast, but openclassers own the topend spectrum.

Well no f-cking sh!t shirlock! Any idiot knows that there isn't very many cars that can beat the acceleration of a crotchrocket! You got the wieght advantage on your side, If I was able to put the hp and torque my car produced into something that only wieghed $440 lbs, I would smoke your bike. I'm guessing that guy in the stang probaly used to drive a Honda, cause he obviosly aint too smart. Seeings how he thought he beat you, Then he probaly does drive a Honda! That is, if that story wasn't a lie!

Interesting. I guess that depends on specifically which year and model of SVT Cobra you're looking at. I'm not doubting that you won, but you should have had a bad day racing newer style cobra. Most of the newer body style if that's what you raced (99-04) run low 13's to high 12's stock.

Here's the stats for the 2003 SVT Cobra according to Edmund's:

Horsepower : 390 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 390 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Top speed : 155 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 4.7 sec.
0-¼ mile : 12.7 sec @ 110.1 mph
60-0 braking distance : 116 ft
.

Actualy, the 99-03 Cobra is rated at 390 hp but actualy dynos at about 425 hp.

Well it was defintly a 98 or older. And since it was from a roll, i don't think skill had much to do with it. Just punch the gas and keep it in a straight line.


ok, the 98 Cobra was capable of 152 mph, What is your tops speed? Seeings how we are not going with 1/4 times here.




Dude i'm with drdingo on this one. I own a 97 Maxima SE 5spd and it has around 200 hp(give or take). With just an exhaust the person i got the car from ran a 15.2 with the same gen maxima also 5spd even saw the slips and he has 154K on it. The accord he has is a 6 banger and is 5spd also VTEC and much lighter then a max + at least 30-40 hp more. so u do the math mustangman.

I'll do the math, if you can give me what I need to finish the equasion. Remember, All I've seen is quater mile specs. But this was not a quarter mile race. Mustangs are well known for Top end! What I'm finding hard to beleave is that he was able to take him from 40 mph.

[drdingo21]

My car is not limited, ive had it to 153, i don't see where that matters, considering we didn't go that fast.

I don't understand you, even though i show you the mustang has almost identical specs you still sit here and argue with me. Thats like telling me the skys not blue.

And you do relize 40 mph is still in my first gear? which redlines at 45.

No matter how you look at it. I beat him, and i could do it again period.

And the whole reason you got the crotch rocket story is because your stupid. You started sterotyping us. You seem like a complete dick, so why are you still coming to this site just to start an argument? Its kinda sad and i feel bad for you in a way.

[esthirteen]

You tell him drdingo. He obviously can't admit he's wrong, or take the fact that a mustang got beat by a stock honda.

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

i think he's being cocky because he is trying to compensate for his small penis... ;) just messin' mustangmoron... oh and if your gonna stereotype how about all mustang drivers being jackasses?!

i know my car is probably never goin' to beat a mustang in its NA form, but that's what boost is for.... domestics can beat imports and vice versa, but in reality who gives a sh*t, its proven that his car's stats is similar to an older gen svt mustang and he beat the focker...

[240sxhoe]

[i]

Maybe the “real racer” is a focking idiot? [/B]

i gara****intee you the guy you raced didnt have a stick, i beat them before with 75shot spray on my s14. what mods do you have on your car?

[drdingo21]

Jesus the post attracted all kinds of idiots. All through this thread we talked about how fast the car is stock. Which would lead one to believe my car is stock (which it is). Also I posted a link to a thread I started when I fist got the car (look at the dates and you will see its about a month old). To clarify, the car is stock.

Aren’t s14s Nissans 240sx’s? Seeing how you didn’t post any information about your car, ill assume it’s a 1991 240sx SE (that was my first ever car). A quick google search showed that car ran 16.20s stock. Not to mention the 140 bhp. So allow for error and what not and we will say 16s. Now add your 75 shot of N2o, I don’t think the 75 shot will shave a second and half of your ¼ mile times.

But all that is irrelevant. We didn’t race from a stand still, we raced from a rolling start. What does anything have to do with his car being a stick? That was never brought up before…Those times I posted were achieved by a stick, so I don’t see what your argument is, the auto would be slower than the stick..

[240sxhoe]

Originally posted by drdingo21
Jesus the post attracted all kinds of idiots. All through this thread we talked about how fast the car is stock. Which would lead one to believe my car is stock (which it is). Also I posted a link to a thread I started when I fist got the car (look at the dates and you will see its about a month old). To clarify, the car is stock.

Aren’t s14s Nissans 240sx’s? Seeing how you didn’t post any information about your car, ill assume it’s a 1991 240sx SE (that was my first ever car). A quick google search showed that car ran 16.20s stock. Not to mention the 140 bhp. So allow for error and what not and we will say 16s. Now add your 75 shot of N2o, I don’t think the 75 shot will shave a second and half of your ¼ mile times.

But all that is irrelevant. We didn’t race from a stand still, we raced from a rolling start. What does anything have to do with his car being a stick? That was never brought up before…Those times I posted were achieved by a stick, so I don’t see what your argument is, the auto would be slower than the stick..


no, my car 240sx zenki (95-96) i have im running TNT nitrous 75 shot and its btw a very nice kit although its local company but very high Q very soon ill get colder plugs and get a bigger pump and i will be able to spray up to 100 once in a while. my car dynoed at 172 without the n2o. actually rest of the mods are on my page.

http://www.cardomain.com/id/russian1983

and i beat a regular auto GT not svt, sorry for confusion. a Auto is Much more disatvantegeous than a 5 speed. but i think thats kinda self exlanatory?:yes:

[drdingo21]

Well, then im sorry to snap at you like that. It just annoys me when people tell me im lying when i know what i did. I thought you would be like MustangMan.

Im actually looking at an 240sx as a project car.... I love the little things. BTW your car is looking good! Ill either be looking for that color or black.

[240sxhoe]

Originally posted by MustangMan


Actualy, the 99-03 Cobra is rated at 390 hp but actualy dynos at about 425 hp.




not to bash or anything, i respect domestic crowd in one way or another but you just amaze me. The CRANK numbers are NEVER lower than the ACTUAL RWHP. its a fact. the crank is always HIGHER. so your "fact" on a stock cobra is a myth or in a best case scenario, a unique specie.

and btw, mustangs and f-bodies handle like ass. needs tons and tons suspension mods. might help you on the quartermiles as well. just a thought.:yes: :yes: :yes:

[MustangMan]

The CRANK numbers are NEVER lower than the ACTUAL RWHP. its a fact. the crank is always HIGHER.


Well, 390 hp is just a little lie ford has, Probaly for insurence reasons, But everyone I know that drives a Cobra and has had id dynoed has the same results. Usualy around 415-425 hp.


Well, then im sorry to snap at you like that. It just annoys me when people tell me im lying when i know what i did. I thought you would be like MustangMan.

Well, what do you expect? you are lieing! If not to us, then to yourself if you think your car ever had a snowball's chance in hell. The fact of the mater is, if you did win, then the guy in the Cobra didn't try very hard. He probaly thought, "Why bother, this guys probaly gonna go home tonight, and post a lie about how he beat a cobra".

But all that is irrelevant. We didn’t race from a stand still, we raced from a rolling start. What does anything have to do with his car being a stick? That was never brought up before…Those times I posted were achieved by a stick, so I don’t see what your argument is, the auto would be slower than the stick..

Yes, you did start from a rolling start, that also makes all of the times you posted irrelevant!



Ok, I've been doing a little research on the 04 Honda Accord EX6 Coupe.

240hp @ 6250 RPMs
212 ft-lbs @ 5000 RPMs

98 SVT Cobra
305hp @ 5800 RPMs
300 ft-lbs @ 4800 RPMs

Now, the Reason these cars run so close in the 1/4 Is cause the Cobra has alot more wheel slip than the Accord, The Accord has the advantage here. Also I believe the Accord is a bit lighter as well, That plays in its favor.

But we are not talking about the 1/4 here are we? Nope, a rolling start. Wheel slip and wieght are irrelivant sence the cars are moving.

Now, going by these specs, the Cobra is going to be able to accelerate a hell of alot faster than the Honda! Meaning that by the time the Honda reaches its top speed, The Cobra will already be long gone!

So, if you did win and you arn't lieing, then the Cobra did not even try to race you. Cause it would have eaten you alive!

i think he's being cocky because he is trying to compensate for his small penis... just messin' mustangmoron... oh and if your gonna stereotype how about all mustang drivers being jackasses?!

Your Girlfriend didn't think it was so small when she was sucking it! ;) :yes:

Just Messin Vtec queer! You know why us Mustang Drivers are Jackasses? cause we get sick and tired of you Honda loosers lieing about beating mustangs! The fact is, enless you dump alot of $$$$$ into your cars, you don't have a chance, And realy, even if you dump alot of $$$$ you don't have a prayer, cause I can dumb half that into my car and be twice as fast! You guys talk about Mods and going fast, but rarly do I ever see it, But you sure do get off posting your lies dont you?

But I guess to each his own right? It must be something about the cars that I cant see, cause personaly, after looking over the Honda Accord EX6 Coupe, I realised, that car is BUTT F-CKING UGLY! :pukey :pukey :pukey

Good day, losers! :bandit: :cool:

[drdingo21]

my god your a moron. I honestly sat back from the monitor and thought about how stupid you are. I mean wow.

As i have done in the past, tomorrow ill prove how you don't know what your talking about (again)

How can you say the accor dis ugly? The mustang has looked ass ugly for the past 10 years. not to mention EVERY model looks the same. You really are stupid aren't you?

You do realize my car has 50 times the luxury of any mustang ever produced. Not to mention faster than most of them. Grow the **** up.
and your right, I lied to make myself feel better on an internet forum. Its obvious that when you’re presented with fact you ignore them, so **** it. You want to be a stupid ignorant *****, then have at it.

I wish HS would enforce a rule to ban IPs when trolls start shit like this. Jesus Christ.

[MustangMan]

Originally posted by drdingo21
my god your a moron. I honestly sat back from the monitor and thought about how stupid you are. I mean wow.

As i have done in the past, tomorrow ill prove how you don't know what your talking about (again)

How can you say the accor dis ugly? The mustang has looked ass ugly for the past 10 years. not to mention EVERY model looks the same. You really are stupid aren't you?

You do realize my car has 50 times the luxury of any mustang ever produced. Not to mention faster than most of them. Grow the **** up.
and your right, I lied to make myself feel better on an internet forum. Its obvious that when you’re presented with fact you ignore them, so **** it. You want to be a stupid ignorant *****, then have at it.




Oh, so you are gonna prove me wrong? Good, I wanna see it, I realy do!

What do you mean I am ingnoring the facts? I showed you the facts and you are the one who is ingnoring them!

Buddy Boy, you can have all the luxury you want, heated seats, on board computer, and all that, I don't need them, I know how to drive, I know where I'm going, I don't need all of that crap, give me a Mustang with a beefy engine and a good stereo and I'm happy!


I wish HS would enforce a rule to ban IPs when trolls start shit like this. Jesus Christ.

Yeah, I bet you'd like to shut me up huh? I'm the only one here that can see you're full of sh!t and you don't like being called on it do you? Well, if it makes you feel big then go ahead, lie lie lie! Maybe one day you will be able to convince yourself that the lie is the truth, or maybe one day you'll realize how dumb you are and get a real car and use your Honda to drive to work and back and use your real car to race. No mater how you look at it, your car is not a race car.

BTW: you wanna prove me wrong, get a camera, run your car aginst an SVT, And I want an honest run! I can tell if the Guy is a buddy of yours and lets you win. If you can do this, I'll kiss your ass! I'll admit that I'm wrong! And you'll have the satisfaction of being right!

[GT40FIED]

I'm not calling BS on you dingo...but you've can't be too suprised that some are having trouble swallowing this. Depending on which mag or site those numbers you posted came from, it may or may not be realistic. Car & Driver, Road & Track, etc. ALWAYS post WAY higher 1/4 times than real enthusiast mags. MM&FF consistently posts times sometimes as much as .5 seconds lower in the 1/4 with the same bone stock cars. Maybe C&D get "friday" cars and the enthusiast mags get the "wednesday" cars. But even bone stock a Cobra will wax an Accord. I'd say the 14.00 you quoted is probably closer to 13.8-13.7 with even a capable driver. On the flipside, I'd be suprised (not amazed, but suprised) if a good driver could wring a 14.3 out of an Accord. But hey...that's just me. I'm not saying you didn't beat the guy...it's quite possible. Hell...I beat a Camaro SS in my Slownoma because the guy was such a terrible driver. I'm just saying that something is wrong with this picture. Either the guy was a horrible driver, he wasn't trying, or something was wrong with his car.

Now...Mustangman...please, for the love of god, try not to flame people on this board. I've spent a lot of time and put a lot of effort into getting these good folks to come around to the idea that not all domestic guys are a$$holes and hate imports. They're not my cup of tea exactly, but I just like cars...I don't care where they came from. If someone attacks you personally, feel free to empty the clip...just please, for my sake, try to do it respectfully (you know...passive-aggressive-like). I'd ask that all of the other members do the same. Just because the guy likes domestics and calls BS on a post like this (where, I might add, many of you did as well), it doesn't mean he's a troll.

My $0.02

[240sxhoe]

eitherway stock suspension on mustangs SUCKS big nasty balls. and open diff sucks ass as well. WHAT GOOD IS THE POWER if you CANT APPLY IT>?:no: :rolleyes:

[MustangMan]

I'm not trying to be a troll, you notice, this is the only thread I've called BS on, Had I been a real troll, I would have called BS on everything and made as much trouble as I could before I got banned, The fact is, A buddy of mine emailed this thread to me. He found it on a mustang or camero site somewhere (I forget the name), pretty much everyone on that board was laughing and calling BS on it. I'm just the only one that took the time out of my buisy day to register and call BS on it.

I've saw a few post on here that are beleiveable, some that are questionable, but this one I deffenatly gets the flag raised on it.

[MustangMan]

eitherway stock suspension on mustangs SUCKS big nasty balls. and open diff sucks ass as well. WHAT GOOD IS THE POWER if you CANT APPLY IT>?

Ok, are we still talking about an SVT? Cause if we are talking about the one he raced, it would have come stock with an 8.8 Limited slip diff. not an open diff.

[240sxhoe]

the lsd is optional as far as i remember.


but this concerns the tread in general. take racing off the streat and on the track. 5$ a run. safe for you, me, everyone else, and no speed contestation/reckless driving ticket for 2500$.

i actually never said i believe the accord beat him. the mustang prob didnt even push it.

but i dislike stangs in stock form. their suspension needs tons of work.

[MustangMan]

but i dislike stangs in stock form. their suspension needs tons of work.

Well, I won't argue with you on that, I've got just under 2k in my suspention system, The new Cobras actualy handle desent stock, but they do need a bit of work, Right now, mine handles good, but it did take some work.

[GT40FIED]

Cobras only have two options...wheel finish and rear spoiler. LSDs are standard. As for their suspensions, yeah, the GTs are a little sloppy (which is why I've done so much to mine) but the Cobras pull pretty good on a skidpad with decent tires. They're no Porsche 911, but they'll kick the crap out of the more commonly tuned imports in stock form. Plus, I'm not a big fan of the massive understeer you get with most FWD cars. But that's just me. Trust me...Mustangs are more than capable of putting power to the pavement. If you browse the shifting gears forum you'll see last weekend I bolted on a pair of slicks for the first time and pulled the front end up far enough that it screwed my header and H-pipe when it came back down.

There is one possibility we've overlooked here...that the car wasn't a real Cobra. A lot of people will make the conversions and I don't suspect a ton of import drivers would know the difference. Hell...it's hard for someone who is in the know to tell sometimes without getting close. Coulda been a V6 for all any of us know...even a mildly modded V8 should've been able to put a hurt on an Accord.

[240sxhoe]

Originally posted by MustangMan
Well, I won't argue with you on that, I've got just under 2k in my suspention system, The new Cobras actualy handle desent stock, but they do need a bit of work, Right now, mine handles good, but it did take some work.

just out of curiousity, although, oot, what are your suspension mods ?

[AzCivic]

hey mustang girl, why was the cobra not produced for a couple of years???? you seem to be quick on the dyno #'s of the new cobra but cant seem to recall the problems ford had with the older one. how convient.

why is it that its usually the mustang owners who talk shit on honda boards, I guess after they get beat by ls1's all the time they need something to make them feel better.

hmmm some interesting reading: http://www.atomicfrog.com/mirrors/www.blueovalnews.com/letters_99cobra_problems.htm

the only thing older cobra owners should be laughing at is themselves.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
hey mustang girl, why was the cobra not produced for a couple of years???? you seem to be quick on the dyno #'s of the new cobra but cant seem to recall the problems ford had with the older one. how convient.

why is it that its usually the mustang owners who talk shit on honda boards, I guess after they get beat by ls1's all the time they need something to make them feel better.

hmmm some interesting reading: http://www.atomicfrog.com/mirrors/www.blueovalnews.com/letters_99cobra_problems.htm

the only thing older cobra owners should be laughing at is themselves.

And you're quick to complain about a car that you have so little knowledge of you had to reference another site for info. Yes, the '99 cobras had problems...but Ford stepped up and fixed them. More than I can say for Mazda and the RX-8 where they want to buy back the cars they f@cked up. Cobras were not produced for one year...not a couple. That was a quality control issue due to the problems with the '99s to make sure it didn't happen again. If you want to compare real world reliability I'll go toe to toe with Honda any day. I just got done replacing my friend's alternator in her old school Civic about 2 months ago. She paid over $100 for it at the local parts store (best price of 3 different stores) and then about a month later the timing belt gave out and screwed up the valves. You wanna guess how much I got my alternator for? About $35 and it's lasted me these 5 long years flawlessly. Look...as an auto tech major I can tell you that no cars fail more than others. Every car model has it's problems. People just like to b!tch about domestics more. They buy domestics thinking they're built like tanks and find out they're built just like any import out there. That pisses them off so they go out of their way to b*tch about them. Imports are the opposite. If someone has a major problem they think it's a fluke...like their car is the only one so they don't make a big deal out of it. Back a few years ago there was this huge percieved problem with Camaros. People drove them like they stole them and complained out the ass when they had any sort of problem. And speaking of LS and LT series motors...what do you expect? The motors had 69 cubic inches over the Ford motor. That's like weighing a Honda vs. a Mustang. Of course they won't come out on top. But Camaro vs, GT and Cobra vs. SS you've got quite a wide price gap for the "extra" power that can be made up by a few small mods. Now the new Cobras are being compared to Vettes...something a Mustang was never designed to compete with, but it's doing it rather well. So, to summarize, please stick to berating cars you actually know something about. I won't pretend to know a ton about Hondas if you don't pretend to know the first thing about Cobras...although I'm sure you know fairly well what their tail lights look like.

[AzCivic]

ahahahah again a mustang owner gets pissy. so your saying since i dont own a crappy cobra that was f'd from the factory I dont have th right to talk about it? uhhh riiight :rolleyes: i came close to buying one awhile back then did some research and found a ton of interesting news that they were big piles of shit that didnt make the power they were supposed to. THE COBRA being Fords flagship muscle car.

and no one gives two shits about the trouble YOU had with a honda.. there's a reason Honda is always ranked higher than ford/chevy when it come to reliability and quality of materials. get over it.

[AzCivic]

oh and i like the ricer excuse of having less displacement. nice :thumbsup:

[ebpda9]

i liked the one about the wheel spin ;) and anyway dyno numkbers are irrelevant if the driver is a tool.

[240sxhoe]

the only thing wrong with the honda scene: too many posers and risers. mostly all show. in my area few hondas are bad ass, those that are, respected by me. but clearlights hideous bodykits, gigantic wings which you dont push nough power to use or actually go to the track to use, 4 inch mufflers for turbo applications put on N/a vihicles (which actually makes you loose torque since you need backpressure) making it obsenely loud, were brought in my honda owners for the most part. that is WHY alot of people, aka, domestic lovers, HATE or stereotype everyone. personally, in some cases they are right - i hate carpet queens, its not even a car anymore. but posers is another story....:no:

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
ahahahah again a mustang owner gets pissy. so your saying since i dont own a crappy cobra that was f'd from the factory I dont have th right to talk about it? uhhh riiight :rolleyes: i came close to buying one awhile back then did some research and found a ton of interesting news that they were big piles of shit that didnt make the power they were supposed to. THE COBRA being Fords flagship muscle car.

and no one gives two shits about the trouble YOU had with a honda.. there's a reason Honda is always ranked higher than ford/chevy when it come to reliability and quality of materials. get over it.

I'm not really getting pissy...I'm explaining to you what you chose to leave out. I'm not saying since you don't OWN a cobra you can't say anything about them...I'm saying whatever "research" you did doesn't give you the knowledge required to bash them. That's like me bashing Accords or Civics...I know a little about them but not much really. Hell...I'll totally concede that the '99s were crap as far as the power adertised vs. what you got...but at least you could get them fixed at your convenience at no cost. But even then a lot of dynos showed that on quite a few cars the "fix" actually lowered numbers. As for my Honda experience, that was simply a reference. Does it matter if you care? No. And you're right...there.s a reason Honda/Toyota/Nissan are higher in owner reliability polls than domestics and it's for the very reason I listed. A lot of people have this idea that if it's "made in America" it's better, and for years that was true. But they haven't figured out that now everyone makes their cars the same way. So what's more American? A Toyota built in Kentucky or a Ford built in Mexico? So when a "domestic" breaks down people b*tch and moan and whine. Like with the '99 Cobras...It was big news when they didn't make as much power as they were supposed to but when Mazda misses the mark by 15%-20%, no one pitches a fit. Every car company has their lemons...that's hardly a debateable issue. Now as for my cubic inch arguement...it's a little different from what you call a "ricer" arguement. See...on the street kids use that defense at stoplight where they choose to race guys with bigger motors than theirs. When you bench race, the GT and Z28/Cobra and SS get lumped together purely by association. People assume they're in direct competition because their roughly the same trim levels but from 2 different companies. Maybe they are...I really don't know. What I DO know is that Chevy took the easy way out. If you look at changes made to the Camaro and Mustang respectively, you'll see that every year that the Cobra got stronger hp numbers, the next year GM would bump the Camaro up just high enough to claim superiority. It's easy to build a faster car once you know what the "competition" has.

[drdingo21]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
I'm not calling BS on you dingo...but you've can't be too suprised that some are having trouble swallowing this. Depending on which mag or site those numbers you posted came from, it may or may not be realistic. Car & Driver, Road & Track, etc. ALWAYS post WAY higher 1/4 times than real enthusiast mags. MM&FF consistently posts times sometimes as much as .5 seconds lower in the 1/4 with the same bone stock cars. Maybe C&D get "friday" cars and the enthusiast mags get the "wednesday" cars. But even bone stock a Cobra will wax an Accord. I'd say the 14.00 you quoted is probably closer to 13.8-13.7 with even a capable driver. On the flipside, I'd be suprised (not amazed, but suprised) if a good driver could wring a 14.3 out of an Accord. But hey...that's just me. I'm not saying you didn't beat the guy...it's quite possible. Hell...I beat a Camaro SS in my Slownoma because the guy was such a terrible driver. I'm just saying that something is wrong with this picture. Either the guy was a horrible driver, he wasn't trying, or something was wrong with his car. I pulled those numbers from peoples personal website. Alot of the idiots on the internet don't understand not all people drive perfect. Im telling the story exactly as it happened. I didn't run away from the car, i inched. i actually didn't expect to win at all. Unlike the douche bag said before, i don't care what anyone thinks, or what they believe. Including him. I stated the story exactly as it happened.
I guarantee you that the 6sp pulls better numbers than that. There is an auto with an intake running 14.5s on one of the boards i visit.

Im going to ignore this rest of this thread, it pointless and i honestly don't give a shit what he thinks. I even asked my girlfriend what she thought of the way shit happened and she agreed he was racing, and trying. And the guy further proves that by waving and giving me the thumbs up when he passed.

It was mention later in this thread that maybe it was a fake SVT ( i just skimmed through the post didn't read them yet). It very could have been! I thought it was an SVT because it said SVT on the back. I also believe he had flow masters because he had the sticker on the window. But if it was infact not an SVT, then I guess that would make all mustang guy liars and prone to lie (accord to mustangman's philosophy)
I know it wasn't a GT because my old STOCK civic would hang with the GTs and beat the normal mustangs. The accord is almost a full 2 seconds faster than the my civic. So you can take that as you will.

[drdingo21]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
i liked the one about the wheel spin ;) and anyway dyno numkbers are irrelevant if the driver is a tool. I liked that too.lol

[MAXed Out]

me too

[240sxhoe]

Originally posted by drdingo21

I know it wasn't a GT because my old STOCK civic would hang with the GTs and beat the normal mustangs.


:toofunny: :toofunny: :bs:

[drdingo21]

jesus christ. You know they runs 15s? my civic ran high 15s low 16s. That would be hanging. My god. its like you don't have any common sense

[240sxhoe]

stock ex? hahaha sure.:wave:

[drdingo21]

1/4 Mile ET 1/4 Mile MPH 1/8 Mile ET 1/8 Mile MPH 60 Foot ET Temp F Car Make Car Model Car Year Driver

15.000 91.000 73.000 7.300 Ford Mustang GT 1991 eddie

15.145 92.040 9.789 73.500 2.252 68.0 Ford Mustang GT 1998 Brandon Hall

15.200 92.000 Ford Mustang 2000 silver00v6

15.270 90.700 9.850 71.000 2.300 Ford Mustang 2000 jay

15.340 97.000 Ford Mustang 1965 Ed Jakawich

15.343* 88.660 9.777 72.030 2.240 39.0 Ford Mustang GT 1982 kyle magnuson

15.390 90.330 9.000 74.290 2.460 Ford Mustang GT 1994 Mr. J

15.440 92.800 61.0 Ford Mustang GT 1998 Craig Johannsen

15.944 89.070 10.366 70.530 2.621 89.0 Ford Mustang gt 1983 James Hartman


Yea they look like real speed deamons. Those are time from people not magiznes. There is about half a second differnce between them and the civic.

Before you start talking shit about something you nothing about (again) at least do a little researrch so you don't look like a complete idiot (again). Its painfuly obvious you have no idea what your saying (again).

[240sxhoe]

wtf? a second is a huge difference. what was the last time you even been at the track? just f crist! keep it coming, im still laughin

[drdingo21]

yea a second is. but its less then half a second differnce moron. You need to either learn to read, or just get off the computer altoghter.

[drdingo21]

BTW, i never said beat, i said hang. I figure i better clarfiy that with you sense you don't seem all that inteligent.
Another thing to keep in mind is those times are people that can actually drive. I only ever raced 3 gts (got beat in the civic everytime) But it was never more than a car lenth, and that was when i quit racing.

Now stop being a asshat and arguing with me about nothing.

[AzCivic]

to all the retards to who dont have a clue as to what their talking about: shut the **** up.

[240sxhoe]

jeez. you make me laugh. theres a reason most serious import inthusiasts laugh at majority of honda guys. go shine your clearlights. hang. hahah . any car can tecnically hang. ****in le baron can "hang" you are nothing more than a poser. grow up, when you are among serious people and dont base your assumption on Fast and the Furious movies, than we will talk. jeez...:pukey

[drdingo21]

lol. I don't understand. I show you that mustangs are as slow as a civic, and you tell me to grow up? Well, im also a domestic guy, and own a lexus, so i guess im not jsut a honda guy, i must be putting the bad name on everyone then huh?

And the reasone "any car can hang with mustang gt is because they are slow, you stupid pervert. Thats the whole point behind it. Its almost like i have to explian every thing i type in great detail just so you can comprehend it.

[GT40FIED]

I'm sorry, but I gotta agree with 240sxhoe here. When my '84 was bone stock motor-wise (only mod was exhaust) I could pull on stock Civics...and that was with a whopping 150hp (stock rated at 140hp w/ CFI). And as for owning a Lexus being a domestic...I don't really consider that a domestic since it's owned and operated by Toyota...essentially being an extention of said company. I find that people identify domestics and imports by the company's base of operation. So yeah...I'd call a Lexus an import.

[drdingo21]

I got to thinking. And this will be my last attempt to show you two idiots how wrong you are. I will be completly unbiased and use everyone elses 1/4 times. These will all be taken from v6perforamce.net

First run ever: 14.562 @ 95.34 mph
My launch was pretty decent: 2.279 60 foot- I let out relatively slowly at about 2000 rpms and had mad wheel hop (thank you Honda for no LSD )
My 1->2->3 shifts were good but my 3->4 was too early, and it sucks I had to shift right before hitting the 1/4 mile mark (my 3->4 shiftpoint is 92 mph). That was is first time ever at the track and he manged a 14.5.

Saw a stock 7th gen. run a 14.1 at E-Town Sunday. I spoke to the guy later that day and I told him about this site. Hope he posts his slip here. I couldn't believe it was stock! Those 6 speeds are pretty damn quick!


75 degrees and 80% humidity

R/T .855
60' 2.33
330 5.996
1/8 9.105
MPH 78.95
1000 11.905
1/4 14.311
MPH 98.69


I ran a total of 7 times ( 3-14.3's, 2-14.4's, 1-14.5's, and one 14.703 w/2.6 60' time Well ill be damed. All those are right around the mustang.

2nd run. Skipped the water, did a dry whole shot. Launched at about 1000rpm and went into the throttle real easy. As the tires spun, I kind of feathered the throttle. Tires still spun too much, but turned out the best run out of the 4.
r/t .265
60' 2.241
330 5.967
1/8 8.983
mph 79.16
1000 11.640
1/4 13.845
mph 102.02
With some wider tires, like a 245/40 on a 17x8in. rim, I dont see what would stop me from lowering my 60' down in the 2.oxx time and get me a 13.6x 1/4. I would be able to launch around 1200-1500rpm and wot, plus I would be running a smaller diameter tire for quicker rpms and my wheel/tire combo would be a little lighter then what I have now.


3rd run. I thought I would be able to beat my 2nd run and got to anxious on the throttle. Again, couldnt keep control of the tires spinning.
r/t .511
60' 2.592
330 6.591
1/8 9.671
mph 77.22
12.365
1/4 14.606
mph 99.93


All those guys must be idiots also huh? I pulled those of the first page only. Keep in mind that all v6 perfomance. not just accords.
You guys need to stop being so god damed narrow minded. The mustangs suck dick. period. The only one worth anything are the new 2003+ corbras.

[drdingo21]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
And as for owning a Lexus being a domestic...I don't really consider that a domestic since it's owned and operated by Toyota...essentially being an extention of said company. I find that people identify domestics and imports by the company's base of operation. So yeah...I'd call a Lexus an import.

and own a lexus, And being the keyword there.
Im well aware of who they are owned by.

[drdingo21]

Also after look further at the mustang specs, they suck at the twisties. I dunno how accurate this is but after a quick search the 2003 cobras only pull .85?

*edit*http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0310_frst2_mach1/index1.html
.82?
And almost the exact performance acceration perfomance of my car?

[GT40FIED]

Alright...call me and whoever else an idiot all you want but it won't change the fact that you're wrong. The numbers you're using are unofficial stuff from other sites and for all you know could be totally lies. Then there's the driver factor. Either you're driver of the year or the guys you race are absolutely horrible, yet I find it hard to believe you'd consistently find all of these terrible drivers. Again with the Motor Trend...don't put stock in ANYTHING you read there as far as their tests...they're always way off on just about every stat vs. other publications, namely enthusiast mags when the tests are conducted by people who ACTUALLY know how to drive a car hard. And did I read that right? Did you just compare your car favorably to an '03 Cobra? The '03 Cobras will without a doubt blow the doors off of ANY Honda product perhaps short of an S2000 (and that would have to be on a road course). Again, you're trusting Motor Trend. They're so used to testing FWD cars I think they've forgotten how to drive a RWD car with real power. So please, before you go around calling other people idiots, consider the source. I've actually tried to be fairly respectful so far...I just disagreed. But if you're gonna be a dick about it then people will ignore everything you say...and not just because you're wrong.

[drdingo21]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Alright...call me and whoever else an idiot all you want but it won't change the fact that you're wrong. The numbers you're using are unofficial stuff from other sites and for all you know could be totally lies. Those are numbers other drivers are getting. I don't understand you. I posted links to magzines and you say that the drivers will do better. I post links to drivers and you say they are lies? They are numbers froma forum just like this one.

And did I read that right? Did you just compare your car favorably to an '03 Cobra? The '03 Cobras will without a doubt blow the doors off of ANY Honda product perhaps short of an S2000 (and that would have to be on a road course). Again, you're trusting Motor Trend. They're so used to testing FWD cars I think they've forgotten how to drive a RWD car with real power. So please, before you go around calling other people idiots, consider the source. I've actually tried to be fairly respectful so far...I just disagreed. But if you're gonna be a dick about it then people will ignore everything you say...and not just because you're wrong. no you didn't read that right. I wasn't comapring anything. I asked. Hence the "?"

Im not trying to be a dick. I told you i beat that svt and i told you how i beat. People called BS on me i post number that show they are about equal in performance and you call me a dick? If you don't like it, then stop reading the thread. Plain and simple.

[AzCivic]

if the stupid new cobra is dyno'ing so great why is it getting trap speeds just shy of the regular vette? oh wait i just found where the cobra weighs like 3800lbs, awesome

oh and i think it was asked earlier why people dont get all butt hurt when an import dyno's a little less than advertised, one: performance minded people do get butt hurt...two:most people can over look one flaw if everything else is up to par, unlike in the mustang where everything(according to actual owners, i myself am not stupid enough to buy one) is crappy.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
if the stupid new cobra is dyno'ing so great why is it getting trap speeds just shy of the regular vette? oh wait i just found where the cobra weighs like 3800lbs, awesome

Oh this I love. So many people can't take the fact that the Mustang is where it's at performance-wise they've started comparing it to a Vette. Right...the Mustang which was never supposed to be in the same league as the Corvette and costs around $15K-$20K less. And not only were people comparing it to the Vette...but to the uber-Vette, the Z06 and it STILL made a pretty good stand. Does that answer your question?

Dingo...look, you read too much into stuff. Not once have I stated that you or anyone else was lying. I just stated possibilities specifically to AVOID calling anyone a liar. I'm not saying you didn't beat the guy, I'm just saying it's a little hard to swallow in a straight up race and that some of the facts you used to back it up may not be so reliable. That's all. I remember once years ago some douche in an Escort actually wanted to race me. Light turned green and as soon as I hit the throttle a wire going to my MSD box snapped. I didn't get more than 10ft and the car just died. I'm sure that guy went out and told all of his friends how he kicked this Mustang's ass. I just think the Cobra is a little faster than you're giving it credit for and your Accord may be a little slower than you think.

[240sxhoe]

it sounds like your getting some major bullshit from Import tuner. your mind is ****ed by ricer magazines. STOCK ex civic will never run 14s. stock SR runs low 14s.

please stop the bullshit. you have no idea what are you talking
about.


yea, i bet you one of those guys that think "vtec is just like turbo"

there will never be a civic ex STOCK running low 15s either. no power beyond turbo. amen.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Oh this I love. So many people can't take the fact that the Mustang is where it's at performance-wise they've started comparing it to a Vette. Right...the Mustang which was never supposed to be in the same league as the Corvette and costs around $15K-$20K less. And not only were people comparing it to the Vette...but to the uber-Vette, the Z06 and it STILL made a pretty good stand. Does that answer your question?


what should the cobra be compared to, an element?

btw the price difference is only about 8k$, not 15-20 :rolleyes:

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by 240sxhoe
it sounds like your getting some major bullshit from Import tuner. your mind is ****ed by ricer magazines. STOCK ex civic will never run 14s. stock SR runs low 14s.

please stop the bullshit. you have no idea what are you talking
about.


yea, i bet you one of those guys that think "vtec is just like turbo"

there will never be a civic ex STOCK running low 15s either. no power beyond turbo. amen.

once again you're a retard.:thumbsup:

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
what should the cobra be compared to, an element?

btw the price difference is only about 8k$, not 15-20 :rolleyes:

Well...unfortunately Mustangs became so popular that it forced Chevy to halt production of the Camaro/TA platform. Now they've got the GTO...but we'll all have to wait and see what that does.

$8K? Are you f@cking joking? I was a little off, but base of both models are a $10K difference. Besides, with a Vette you're buying a name. If you took $2K of that money you'd save you could easily out handle and out accelerate a Vette and you'd have a car that you could be proud of...not one you just drove off a showroom floor. I'm sure when Ford starts production of the GT (not the Mustang, the new GT40 style GT) you'll compare it to a Lambo since it (according to Motor Trend or Road & Track or one of those shitty mags which you guys put sooooo much faith in) handed a Ferrari Modena it's ass on a road course.

[AzCivic]

msrp cobra 35k, msrp vette 43k, simple math man.

what are you talking about, now your bringing the GT40 into all this!?!? lets compare it to the C5-R then.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
msrp cobra 35k, msrp vette 43k, simple math man.

what are you talking about, now your bringing the GT40 into all this!?!? lets compare it to the C5-R then.

Ok...we're obviously getting our prices from different places. I've got the MSRP of a Cobra at $34K and a Vette at $44K. As for where the GT fits into all of this, it's a simple matter of comparison. You can't compare a Vette with a Cobra no more than you can compare the GT with an Italian supercar because they're not made to be in direct competition. It either says something really good about Ford that they're comparing the Cobra to a Vette or it says something bad about Chevy that Ford's lowely Mustang has come up to take on the Vette.

[AzCivic]

what else is there to compare it(vette) too? a viper? it already dominates that in racing.

[AzCivic]

i just did a search for msrp's and got cobra of 35k and the vette at 43.

[drdingo21]

Originally posted by GT40FIED

Dingo...look, you read too much into stuff. Not once have I stated that you or anyone else was lying. I just stated possibilities specifically to AVOID calling anyone a liar. I'm not saying you didn't beat the guy, I'm just saying it's a little hard to swallow in a straight up race and that some of the facts you used to back it up may not be so reliable. That's all. I remember once years ago some douche in an Escort actually wanted to race me. Light turned green and as soon as I hit the throttle a wire going to my MSD box snapped. I didn't get more than 10ft and the car just died. I'm sure that guy went out and told all of his friends how he kicked this Mustang's ass. I just think the Cobra is a little faster than you're giving it credit for and your Accord may be a little slower than you think. Nothing I have said has been aimed at you. I don't think my accord is insanely fast. I do have respect for the new cobras but thats it. An model below that is slow. I posted links to several websites that show the cobra I raced running around the same numbers as my car. All I did was post a story that happened. Then a couple of idiots told me I was lying so I posted more than enough proof to prove otherwise.
I understand your story, but this was not the case considering to the amount of speed we got to and I was still slowly pulling away from him. And the thumbs up and nod. It was a race plain and simple that he lost and he signaled good race.

it sounds like your getting some major bullshit from Import tuner. your mind is ****ed by ricer magazines. STOCK ex civic will never run 14s. stock SR runs low 14s.

please stop the bullshit. you have no idea what are you talking
about.


yea, i bet you one of those guys that think "vtec is just like turbo"

there will never be a civic ex STOCK running low 15s either. no power beyond turbo. amen.As azcivic pointed out (don’t you think that’s weird we both think the same way?), you’re a moron again.

I never said the civic runs low 14s. Hell I even posted times from peoples website of the mustang at mid 15s. To me anything at or below a 15.3 is low 15s so I think its quite possible for a civic to run low 15s with bolt-ons.

[240sxhoe]

still winning is winning. hanging does not count. your stock civic ex dx and bblah blah blah other trims maybe besides SI suck big dick stock. Vtec or not, stock is still sub-110 hp. crankhp is always higher. you will never win without serious power application, aka Turbo. amen.

you can hang with any car, but you will never beat it. you if you have no strong middle range you are ****ed. learn a little more about engines and how things work. maybe will help. if you want ill post some websites you can kinda glare at the concept.

you think bolt ons are that efficient? please! what the ****! you spend 1500 on h/i/e to get what? mac gain of 15 horseS? dynos in magazines lie, you will find it out years later. why not spend around 6grand on rebuild and turbo setup? that is where real power is. you are such a ricer. :yes: :yes:

[drdingo21]

What the hell? You just babling dumb shit. Where did i say bolt ons are efficent? As a matter of fact if you had any kind of common sense at all you could have searched the site and seen i reccomend against bolts and for a turbo you stupid prick.
And bolt on to a 4 cyclinder is a wast of money, period.

you can hang with any car, but you will never beat it. you if you have no strong middle range you are ****ed. learn a little more about engines and how things work. maybe will help. if you want ill post some websites you can kinda glare at the concept. No, you can't. A civic will never hang with an 03 cobra stock for stock, of a neon srt-4, or an wrx, or an evo...jesus your stupid.

And even though i clarfied before (which obviosuly wasn't enough) I never said win.

Now stop being a little *****.

[240sxhoe]

Originally posted by drdingo21


No, you can't. A civic will never hang with an 03 cobra stock for stock, of a neon srt-4, or an wrx, or an evo...jesus your stupid.

And even though i clarfied before (which obviosuly wasn't enough) I never said win.

Now stop being a little *****.


well according to you captain Rice, a second difference or so is called hanging. or maybe i missread again? just agree that you are a ricer and be on with it come on.

[240sxhoe]

Originally posted by drdingo21

I never said the civic runs low 14s. Hell I even posted times from peoples website of the mustang at mid 15s. To me anything at or below a 15.3 is low 15s so I think its quite possible for a civic to run low 15s with bolt-ons.

once again your own words. bolt on wont nock off .5 secs or even .3.

[drdingo21]

LOL, in case you haven't got it. Calling me a ricer doesn't bother me.

Again, you just making shit up. I never said a second, you did. I said less then half a second.

[drdingo21]

Originally posted by 240sxhoe
once again your own words. bolt on wont nock off .5 secs or even .3. Im sure a civic ex with full bolts very little gas, and weight cut here and there WILL run low 15s.

[240sxhoe]

you said bolt ons on a 4 cyl are a waste of time, why then are you talking about it?

[drdingo21]

They are. To me dumping over 1.5k of money into bolt ons only to gain a second or so is a stupid waste compared to spend 2.5-3k on a turbo setup.

Am i wrong?

[240sxhoe]

no. although you wont gain "a second or so" wit bolt on. imho only bolt ons worthy getting with your turbo setup is clutch/lighter flywheel setup. but thats about it. i would also focus on suspension first before putting a big turbo on the car.

[drdingo21]

I agree. with the turbo setup.

But disagree with full bolts on. I am more than willing to bet you will gain a second.

[GT40FIED]

Lol...this reminds me of some street racing thing I saw on TV where some guy had dumped (his own estimation) close to $30K into an N/A RHD Civic, I believe it was. He was so proud it would run 14s. Then when he went to race it, it broke down. Apparently the 240hp he claimed was just too much for the car to handle. Hehe.

[240sxhoe]

jeez that guy was a moron. with 30k in my 240 i will be pushing close to 800. idle will be kinda rough tho.

[GT40FIED]

$30K? I've got just a little over $10K in my car (that includes transmission and suspension) and I'm sitting on 657 block-cracking hp. With $30K I could be looking at well over 1000hp.

[drdingo21]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Lol...this reminds me of some street racing thing I saw on TV where some guy had dumped (his own estimation) close to $30K into an N/A RHD Civic, I believe it was. He was so proud it would run 14s. Then when he went to race it, it broke down. Apparently the 240hp he claimed was just too much for the car to handle. Hehe. LOL. It must have been too much power!!!

[nindoo]

LISTEN 240 SX, Your car will get smoked from civic ex its even though its got less horse power. Its not 110 its 130 stock vtec and the engine is just more refiend than that of a 240 sx.

Just go drift somehwhere:toofunny: :nana: :nono:

And there is no way a stock civic beat a svt mustang impossible.

Not even possible in your dreams drdingo21 :nono: :nono: :nono:

[drdingo21]

Originally posted by nindoo
LISTEN 240 SX, Your car will get smoked from civic ex its even though its got less horse power. Its not 110 its 130 stock vtec and the engine is just more refiend than that of a 240 sx.

Just go drift somehwhere:toofunny: :nana: :nono:

And there is no way a stock civic beat a svt mustang impossible.

Not even possible in your dreams drdingo21 :nono: :nono: :nono: Good thing i don't drive a stock civic then, isn't it? Idiot

[nindoo]

Originally posted by drdingo21
Good thing i don't drive a stock civic then, isn't it? Idiot


ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:o :o :o

What kind of modification do you have?

[drdingo21]

i don't have the civic at all. This whole post was about my new car. Even my second post was a link to pics of my car:)

[240sxhoe]

Originally posted by nindoo
LISTEN 240 SX, Your car will get smoked from civic ex its even though its got less horse power. Its not 110 its 130 stock vtec and the engine is just more refiend than that of a 240 sx.

Just go drift somehwhere:toofunny: :nana: :nono:

And there is no way a stock civic beat a svt mustang impossible.

Not even possible in your dreams drdingo21 :nono: :nono: :nono:


you are an idiot, and i proved it so many times. your stock civic is worthless and your vtec is worthless. theres no way in hell stock civics every beat me. not stock.

and im more into autoX btw.

why dont you learn before making an idiot out of yourself, although you provided a good laugh for other people:no:

[pdiggitydogg]

Im sensing some car-race bashing here (as in "nissans/hondas/fords/chevy/etc suck")...thats immature

[240sxhoe]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
Im sensing some car-race bashing here (as in "nissans/hondas/fords/chevy/etc suck")...thats immature

ok, but wheres the common sence? stock civic ex isnt worth shit. its a fact. slapped with a t25 or t28 = way to go. enough of bs.

[pdiggitydogg]

I actually wasnt refering to you...but alright.
Are you saying that turbo ex's are still junk??

[drdingo21]

A civic ex is about as fast as a stock 240...

[GT40FIED]

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Seriously...how did this get so far away from the intended topic onto 240SXs vs. Civics? Personally...I don't care who'd win. Bench racing sucks.

[240sxhoe]

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Seriously...how did this get so far away from the intended topic onto 240SXs vs. Civics? Personally...I don't care who'd win. Bench racing sucks.


im not bench racing, neither do i give a fuck about drag. im just stating the fact. i dynoed at 165rwhp, dont even tell me what your fucking civic will be at, crank is always higher.

[pdiggitydogg]

(ok I wont
"178whp civic ex w/ edelbrock kit @ 7psi"
"185whp civic ex w/ greddy kit @ 8psi"
oops...sorry)

[240sxhoe]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
(ok I wont
"178whp civic ex w/ edelbrock kit @ 7psi"
"185whp civic ex w/ greddy kit @ 8psi"
oops...sorry)

we are talking stock. READ THE FUCKING THREAD.

[pdiggitydogg]

why dont you calm down and clean up your mouth

[AkimboStylee]

^im with him, on this


i want to race 240sxhoe, i get my car in 3 days, it is a 96 accord lx, I/h/e, (which i have to give back to the guy after i by mine from honda man) is running @ 145hp before everyting, plus 5-10hp for i, and 5-10hp for h, and 5-10 hp for e, just so you get the jist of it, my car was dynoed @ 165.4 horse power with minor bolt ons, so i think i can beat your 240 with your "75 shot" (coughbscough)



just venting, so hey pdigg, hows the hunt for more jdm stuff?

[pdiggitydogg]

eh Im probably about done for now...money ya know? 1 thing Id like to get my hands on are a set of bumpers (w/ the trim). But since I probably wont get those just the thin moldings and installing sidemarkers are probably it...then its onto LS+Turbo building/buying

[AkimboStylee]

thats cool

[Honda_Tengoku]

your a loser drdingo! U make us realy performance enthusiasts look bad. No wonder all the american car lovers call us all ricers! Please give me a break. SVT mustang versus your little Accord? OMFG what a freakin joke!!! Go somewhere else where everyone will believe your little story. The guy in the Munstang was prolly laughing at u when u were celebrating and throwing your hands cuz u thought u were a billy bad a$$ (cuz he wasnt even trying).

[drdingo21]

Your afucking moron. Why am I an idiot? In case you ddin't read the thread (which you obviosuly didn't) That year SVT is equal in performance to my car. Now stop being a doche bag and draggin up threads that old.

Read the thread before you post anymore stupid shit. Fag

[240sxhoe]

Originally posted by drdingo21
That year SVT is equal in performance to my car. Fag

Who is the fag now? how can you even compare your accord to SVT? SVT is NOT GT.

YOU are the idiot.
your village just called btw looking for you.

[drdingo21]

MY god. Your stupidty simply amazes me. Do some god dam research. The are almost identical in how they perform. Actually look back through this thread i post upteen stats about both cars from a slew of resources. And they are all almost the same.

There were always be stupid fucks like you two that will take facts and twist them to their own point of view. It is simply amazing.

Lets go back over this. The accord is a low 14 second car. The SVT mustang is a low 14 second car.... Now for the slow idiots (just you two) That means they will perform the same. Amazing huh?

Now stop being a little bitch and just posting shit that you think is correct, you have proven time and time again you have no common sense.

And what are you talking about a GT for? Are you that dumb?


Who is the fag now?Your right. I forgot about you, you are also a fag.

[guywithastang]

wow, I just read this whole thing. Its like watching an episode of elimidate:rolleyes:

[4doorspeedman]

ive read throught this whole thread and i have to say that while if the drivers were equal the svt would definatly win it is a litle faster and defiantly has better top end than an accord. But you have to understand that a svt mustang has a realy touchy clutch one of my dads work buddys just got a 2003 ( ya i know the moddel years are differnt but he test drove an older one and said it was just as touchy) svt cobra and he ground the gears every time he tried to power shift for the first few months the guy might not have been that good of driver. I admit it soes sound a little fishy but the profarmce speck are the same seems like in a 1/4 mile or shorter race the better driver would win

[drdingo21]

Im not saying I totaly dusted the svt. And im sure the reason i got such a jump was because i was still in scond gear. Not to mention i don't know if it was a stick or an automatic. And i am more than confident that any race with those year SVTs would be a drivers race. Both cars almost excatly matched.
But there are dumbshits (like the two above) that don't understand that.

Its nice to see someone that actually puts a little thought and applies some common sense to their posts.

[240sxhoe]

SVT cobra is supercharged V8 rating at 375rwhp. even with a auto, you will piss your panties.

how can your accord beat that?

please. and who is the fag.

your more than welcome to come over to my gym and tell me i'm a fag in my face. come on, you want to.



your all big over the wire.:doh: :bomb:

[drdingo21]

LMAO! Holy shit! The whole time you argued with me was because your a god dam moron! LMAO

please son don't threaten me over the intenet. You probly a buck sixty soping wet.
But If you feel the need to come here and prove your self id be more then happy to level your ass. About a year and half ago i was 215lbs and ranked 4th state wide in my boxing league.

Go back and read the the thread to see why you such a stupid fuck.

lol What a waste of my time




And your still a fag, now just a dumb fag

[GT40FIED]

I feel so unprepared...I didn't puff up my chest or anything.

Here's the deal. I do believe you're BOTH acting like dicks. 240SX...he didn't say he raced an '03 Cobra. An '03 Cobra will give a Z06 a run for it's money stock vs. stock. And Dingo...I'm not sure who drove those cars in the tests you posted, but I've never seen a compitent driver hit anything higher than a high 13. Notice I said compitent...not good. A good one will have it in the mid 13s on factory tires. Like I said, magazines like C&D and R&T tests are JOKES compared to real world drivers. Hell...when the '00 Cobra Rs came out enthusiast mags were burning damn near a half second off of their counterpart's times (hell, I pulled off a 13.89 @ 106 in a '98 Cobra and I'm really not good at driving a stick). Like I said, I'm not calling BS...it's just what I've seen and what I know. The guy could've just been a terrible driver.

Look at all of this...you guys spout out specs like you know your shit but you don't even know an SVT Cobra has NEVER, I repeat NEVER come with a factory automatic transmission. It's just not an option. Now all of this bullshit about who's bigger than who...wtf is that shit? That's like that one douche bag wanting to race me from halfway across the country. I'm sure you feel all big and bad being keyboard bullies but just knock it the fuck off. It's fucking childish. I think you both know you're better than this.

[ebpda9]

my dad is gonna kick both of your asses ;)

[240sxhoe]

talking shit or not, i love doing it. now the argument drove off, since people wont look at the facts. no wander so many people think honda guys are ricers. i try, i REALLY try not to think so but it gets harder everytime. also of bs like this. you KNOW for a fact he wasnt trying to race, he was playing with you.

and no, im not threatening you. you should support your words with something. i coudnt give a fuck less what boxing or whatever else you in, never stopped me. so this discussion is over, i arrest my case.

[VR4_Craver]

Originally posted by 240sxhoe
you should support your words with something. i coudnt give a fuck less what boxing or whatever else you in, never stopped me. so this discussion is over, i arrest my case.


I love this....someone had a name for this...i beleive it was called Virtual balls and he arrests his case....heh I beleive that his car did this not only is it apparent though his numerous links but i was with a guy (cobra) that got smoked by a car like his (dingos) i just cant beleive you posted this 240. Let me guess you just clicked like page 6 or 7 and then read a few and posted like a mad man now....

[drdingo21]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Look at all of this...you guys spout out specs like you know your shit but you don't even know an SVT Cobra has NEVER, I repeat NEVER come with a factory automatic transmission. It's just not an option. Now all of this bullshit about who's bigger than who...wtf is that shit? That's like that one douche bag wanting to race me from halfway across the country. I'm sure you feel all big and bad being keyboard bullies but just knock it the fuck off. It's fucking childish. I think you both know you're better than this. He was the one telling me he was going to kick my ass. All i did was corrected him and told him i would level him.

The specs i posted where what i found in other forums what other people were running.


talking shit or not, i love doing it. now the argument drove off, since people wont look at the facts. no wander so many people think honda guys are ricers. i try, i REALLY try not to think so but it gets harder everytime. also of bs like this. you KNOW for a fact he wasnt trying to race, he was playing with you.

and no, im not threatening you. you should support your words with something. i coudnt give a fuck less what boxing or whatever else you in, never stopped me. so this discussion is over, i arrest my case. Are you fucking dense? In order to "play" with someone you stay slightly ahead of them or even with them. He was BEHIND me. and we went up to 120 mph. So how could he not be racing? You stupid shit. NOt to metntion the wave and the head nod. Man just do the world a favor and drive into a tree.

[AkimboStylee]

hey um, can we just get along!! i mean after all civic pwns!!! JFWY <- see that was a joke ok dont get me wrong, i would sell everything i got to get an svt ok now thats settled....

[4doorspeedman]

hey this has been bugging me what kinds spider and by the way this is never going to be resolvted to that statifaction of everyone might as well close it soon, but for the record drdingo I belive ya but not everyone will so can we just give it a rest:confused:

[spooledMR2]

i want to race mustangman and 240 :D

[drdingo21]

I tired to let it go. But he us just plaind stupid. Hell half the time he was arguing with me because he was stupid.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by spooledMR2
i want to race mustangman and 240 :D

Does that mean me or guywithastang?

[drdingo21]

don't think anyone in their right minds would race you. Unles you gave them a 10 second head start....;)

[VR4_Craver]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
lol, at first i thought you killed mike's 2 dr minivan;)

just found the new smiley:

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MUHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!


jerk..... j/k

[Matrix]

I have to admit, I had my doubts when I first read this story.
Admittedly, though, I know very little about the newest 6-speed V6 Accord. I think I'll do a little research on it.
My sister has a 99 V6 Accord, and I know that it was decently quick. I always thought it would be capable of 14's easy if it had a stick and a little more horsepower, which is exactly what the new model is. Interesting.


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