????

[thermal]

Daym.... whatever happened to boost heads on this site? I dont see them anymore. It feels as if I'm the last mofo here..... Gotta do somethin. I just dont know what.......

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Buy me a turbo setup and I'll join you :pfft:

[ebpda9]

help me piece out mine :D. it just has to work with a high compression engine.

[thermal]

High compression plus inline pro head gasket equals decent boost. Take the FMU out of the equation too. Use Hondata or EMS. U can run 8 psi on that stock H22 and kick some ass dude. Use a T3T04e 57 A/R wheel and 63 A/R turbine.

[ebpda9]

nah, i don't have a h22, i have a f22 sohc non-vtec. it will go from 8.5:1 to 9.4:1 with ceramic coating on the pistons :yes:

[4g63t]

I'm a boost head.

[thermal]

Welcome boost head..... DSM style:)

[4g63t]

What do you run in the 1/4 mile?

[thermal]

I was very busy trying to help other friends to get their car fixed. My plan was to finish my civic before the end of the season. I was one mod too late. Now the track is closed until spring. :no:

[kaoticivic]

Hey I've got several questions for ya, so that I too will be a boost head.

[thermal]

ask away bro. Are you the same kaoticcivic from SHO and HV?

[ebpda9]

well bro i am gonna make a new thread soon about my new custom turbo kit

[ShEaNy]

So The F22 is a Good engine to Turbo cause of the low compression ratio? what else would u have to do to it mod wise? H22 is outa hand for me price wise..

[thermal]

It will cost close to $3000 to get a decent turbo set-up on any car. If you have 6 digits on the mileage, you have to get a leak down and compression test first to ensure that the motor can at least hold low boost (about 5psi). I know somebody on a different board who has an F22 turbo. He loves it!

Yes, generally low compression motors are great for turbocharging. Mod wise, I say get a high flow catalytic converter and a minimum of 2.25 inch exhaust pipe diameter. This will allow for better exahsut flow therefore spooling the turbo quicker. It makes so much of a difference. Other than that, running low boost is not as complicated. A boost dependent FMU will work for fuel enrichment at boost. i also advice to get your injectors cleaned or enlarged to at least a 310 prelude injectors or any aftermarket brands.

[ShEaNy]

I already have the 2.25 inch diameter exhaust with no cat. does anythin like PnP, and building the head help ... Is your $3000 in U.S. funds? and exactly what do i get for that price...

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

i can't wait to get my Greddy 19T kit! so i guess i'm not a boost head til next spring..

[out there]

i don't think 3k is really necessary...
fmu- 150
fuel pump- 100
intercooler and piping- depends on how big you want it
turbo- 50-100
manifold- i've seen them as low as 100
injectors- as low as 200
you'll need to modify your exhaust, or... just go with 3" from the turbo back, no cat, that's what i have :D
you'll obviously need new internals for high boost, the non-maintenance stuff is just icing on the cake
did i forget anything? it's getting late for my brain...

[4g63t]

If you can afford 3k, here's what i'd do......buy a jdm 4g63t with like 40k on it from japan for like 1400 and spend like another 500-100 to make it fit. Then you have extra money for mods. Total sleeper. Or get a 2jz engine. In my opinion your gonna run into some problems if you turbo an engine that wasnt meant to be trubo'd. I mean sure you could run 5psi, but what's the fun in that? It's almost not even worth it. I dont kno though, i'll never get you honda guys? It must be that you have the money to buy a 5k car and then spend several hundred dollars to add a couple horse.:dollar: If your into honda engines though i suppose it'd be pretty cool to have a turbo'd one with a big fmic. Make all the ricers out there ;( . What do you all wanna talk about in the turbo talk section?

[ShEaNy]

k well i have a low compression engine and i cant afford a new engine...i only have like 130k on a 91 accord....im sure ill pass
the compression test if not ill do what it takes to get it right

[out there]

come on man, i'm in the same boat that you are, at least offer some advice... we both know that a 2jz is going to bring his total WAY over 3k, just for the engine. the 4g63 i could see, i'm mildly surprised that more people haven't tried it yet.

[out there]

i think you should drive your car all winter the way it is. keep saving $$$ until spring. if your car is still is good mechanical condition by spring, then go through it from front to back, top to bottom to make sure it's healthy. at that point, begin modding.

[thermal]

Okay I was misinterpreted. I guess a "decent" set-up is too general of a category. Out there is right. If you just want a turbo set-up, providing that your leak down and compression test is excellent, you can do this:
-Internally gated T28, T3 super 60, TD05 (junkyard)= $100-200
-custom turbo manifold= $300-500
-custom piping= $150
-custom intercooler= $250
-Eclipse blow off valve (BOV)= $50-100 (used)
-Fuel management (APEXi SAFC)= $200 (used)
-DSM 450cc injectors/resistor box= $75 (used)
-Oil lines, tubing, fittings, clamps,= $100-150
-Autometer boost gauge= $60
-Autometer A/F ratio gauge= $60 (acurate only at WOT) or EGT gauge= $120-200
-Timer= $75-100
-255LPH intank fuel pump= $100
-NGK 7 series spark plugs= $15-25

With the list on top, the average will be $1500-1700. The SAFC, DSM 450cc/resistor box is only required on an AFC hack set-up. If the hack is not incorporated, a boost dependent FMU can be used.

With $3K, you may even be able to get some internals upgraded. What's gonna kill you on this project is the labor. If you do not do most of these yourself. You'll end paying close to $3000 still but without internal build. www.homemadeturbo.com/forum has so much info and different routes to take. If you are serious about this mod, I'll email my turbo accord F22 buddy and have him give you pointers......

Note: All prices is in U.S. dollar currency

[ebpda9]

ok the 2 dsm heads there: we are talking about the f22a engines here. to make another engine fir in there will be a pain in the ass. Also the f22 is a very detuned engine: 8.5:1 CR, not too much lift, and the cam duration is under 160 degrees of the crank rotation. with a proper cam the engine will easily be boosted to 160-170hp. a new set of turbo pistons( 8.8:1cr or 9.4:1) will run only 500 with the rings and wrist pins, then ceramic coat them for 150 more and you will get one sweet ass engine that is ready to be boosted to about 15psi. and about 280hp on a fwd car is more than enough to get you killed.

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by sohc_vtec 2NR
i can't wait to get my Greddy 19T kit! so i guess i'm not a boost head til next spring..

having a turbo won't make you a boost head :no:

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
having a turbo won't make you a boost head :no:

yeah yeah...

[out there]

having a turbo installed in a vehicle that is tuned to run a decent amount of boost; does that count?

[thermal]

Being addicted to boost makes you a boost head:yes:

[4g63t]

I dont know how much boost youve felt in your honda, but im suprised you could be addicted to it with only 10psi. Youve got a respectable car though. :cool: Way more suffisticated than several others and the typical rice ive seen.

[thermal]

My car is not the only boosted Honda I've driven. I have driven a 24 psi boosted built B18 Integra with full interior. Drove it several times. It was a crazy feeling, both fear and excitement. He ocasionally takes it to the track, but he couldnt do more than a few runs because they require him to have a roll cage. He was running mid to low 11's on slicks.

Funny thing is, I really am not interested on driving any other car unless it is boosted.... and it doesnt matter what car. GSX rocks by the way.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by 4g63t
If you can afford 3k, here's what i'd do......buy a jdm 4g63t with like 40k on it from japan for like 1400 and spend like another 500-100 to make it fit. Then you have extra money for mods. Total sleeper. Or get a 2jz engine. In my opinion your gonna run into some problems if you turbo an engine that wasnt meant to be trubo'd. I mean sure you could run 5psi, but what's the fun in that? It's almost not even worth it. I dont kno though, i'll never get you honda guys? It must be that you have the money to buy a 5k car and then spend several hundred dollars to add a couple horse.:dollar: If your into honda engines though i suppose it'd be pretty cool to have a turbo'd one with a big fmic. Make all the ricers out there ;( . What do you all wanna talk about in the turbo talk section?

putting any of those engines in is a stupid waste of time. a stock honda engine can handle more than 5psi.

[ShEaNy]

ok now that we're talkin about MY engine, thanx to hondaman, for lettin those guys know. when you say cam do you mean cam shaft, and/or gears?

[thermal]

^cam shaft

[ebpda9]

yeah, we are reffering to camshafts.

anyway to make this topic more interesting: i've heard lots of comments that an auto is better if you have a turbo cause you don't rip the clutch that much. is it true? knowing the honda trannies especially the APX4's i tend to believe that is bull. my tranny is out with only 125 hp 137ft-lbs in it's n/a form

[4g63t]

lol..........auto is never better:rolleyes:. Having an auto turbo car is wierd. Stick you have way more control. Say if im cruising down the road in 4th gear(dsm auto=4spd) And i stand on it....it'll drop to like 3rd, then 2nd really quick and it's jerky, the rpm's get all screwed up and your turbo spooling curve is jacked up. Maybe dsm auto's just suck though?

[hooohaa2]

I'm a boost head, and I don't even have my car boosted yet. I am doing an HMT setup, extreme low budget. *coughghettocough*

I have all my stuff except for injectors, plan on grabbing them real soon, installing over Christmas break. I have yet to figure out exactly how I am going to install my VAFC, since I am colorblind... I guess I will need some help... anyone here from mid to southeastern VA and had experience installing/tuning VAFC that would be interested in helping a "disciple of boost" out?

you ask, how can I be a boost head and not be boosted? let me explain. I have been addicted to boost, or the quest for boost, for several months now. I am buried with school work now, this has left me with no other choice but (in the spare minutes I have between work) to sit and look at my turbo/mani/dp, to disassemble it, to clean my turbo, to reassemble it, and then to dream of that elusive day when I will actually have the time to install it on my car. This addiction has also led me to spend several hours every single day scouring HMT, HT/FI, D16Turbo, HST, and others to learn something new, to pass something along that I have learned to someone else, or to try to figure out how the heck the VAFC hack works, which I still don't fully understand even after spending probably 50-some hours reading up on it. I think I will just have to install and play with it to understand it.

haha, goodnight people.

[4g63t]

Disgard what i said earlier about autos. Looking back on what i wrote i dont think i got my point across. I'm really smarter than that.:yes:

[thermal]

Right. Turbo auto tranny is not as bad as people think. Car manufacturers wouldnt design it if it wouldnt be effective. I've seen mustangs....... yes mustangs....... auto with turbo and rip the track with 11's. If the tranny can be set to where it doesnt shift to higher RPM, it will surely kick some ass since it will be a consistent air flow applied to spool the turbo. Auto tranny can actually keep the turbo spooled up better if given the right tuning and set-up....

WOW! this thread has grown!

[ebpda9]

ok, just a change of plans. i found a tsi turbo kit for 1800 which has a garret t25 turbo. it is able to spool up to 15psi. Is that turbo pretty much adequate for my f22 ?

[thermal]

A little small but it will be great for auto. I think a T3 super 60 will be the best for you. It will be fine tho. Lots of bottom end torque like the TSi.

[4g63t]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
ok, just a change of plans. i found a tsi turbo kit for 1800 which has a garret t25 turbo. it is able to spool up to 15psi. Is that turbo pretty much adequate for my f22 ?
Hairdryer turbo man. 15 is maxing it out to be honest. I think it would be alright though if your looking for a little extra boost. It'll be spooled soo fast though. I think you should go for a 14b possibly. Same exhaust housing if im not mistaken. If you can find a tsi turbo kit then you should be able to find a 1g tsi turbo kit.

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by 4g63t
Hairdryer turbo man. 15 is maxing it out to be honest. I think it would be alright though if your looking for a little extra boost. It'll be spooled soo fast though. I think you should go for a 14b possibly. Same exhaust housing if im not mistaken. If you can find a tsi turbo kit then you should be able to find a 1g tsi turbo kit.

well i don't know if the tsi you are reffering to is a talon TSI but the brand of the turbo kit is TSI. Just wanted to make sure we are on the same page. i just started looking into turbos so i am pretty much clueless about them.

[thermal]

Oh i see.... I thought you meant Talon TSi turbo. Hey Stef, do you have a link to that kit? I'll check it out....

[ebpda9]

http://turbokits.com/accord_turbo_kits.html third and 4th one down the page

[thermal]

That is not a bad deal. I wonder what program it is that they're using to control MAP. The 2 injectors I'm assuming will be tapped into the intake pipe before the TB. Have you asked them any other questions like the FMIC dimensions and BOV brand? It looks like it will utilizing an internal wastegate like most T-25's do. Keep me posted bro. :yes:

[4g63t]

lol, my bad......I thought ya....Talon tsi 2nd gens did use the greddy t-25 right. Sounds like a good investment if it included an intercooler which i dont know if it did or not...becuase it didnt say.

[ebpda9]

thanks guys. i dunno what to do anyways. i want a tmic ( just to be original) a smaller turbo because i am dealing with an engine that wasn't designed to be turbo'd, and aftermarket support besides basic bolt ons pretty much inexistent. might as well try to convert it to hydrogen power ;)

[thermal]

it's okay dude. Most hondas are not designed to be turboed neither. Just do it man. I promise that you'll be happy:yes:

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
thanks guys. i dunno what to do anyways. i want a tmic ( just to be original) a smaller turbo because i am dealing with an engine that wasn't designed to be turbo'd, and aftermarket support besides basic bolt ons pretty much inexistent. might as well try to convert it to hydrogen power ;)

your car may not be heavily supported by the aftermarket but be thankful you don't drive a hybrid (ie prius, not a civic hatch with a C5 swap) :cool:

[AkimboStylee]

alright, ive decided that for winter break, im going to tear down my engine, and rebuild it (d16), and not get the b18c5, that i so wished on getting, my question is does this turbo setup sound nice, i want boost but not alot of boost:
__________________________________________________ __

Rev Hard CRX Turbo Kits Include:
- Rev Hard Cast Iron or Tubular Manifold
- Rev Hard T3/T04E Turbo (eff. to 450hp)
- Rev Hard Intercooler 28" x 6.5" x 3"
- Turbo Smart 7psi. (TS-SEMA's Best)
- Vortech Blow Off Valve
- 2.25" Aluminized Mandrel Bent Piping
- 2.5" Downpipe
- Sparco Boost Gauge
- HKS Turbo Timer or Turbonetics Boost Controller
- Billet Map Diffuser (check valve)
- High Volume Fuel Pump
- Silicone Hoses & Clamps
- Steel Braided -3 Oil Line
- All Necessary Hardware & Fittings;

i know it says crx, but it will fit on a d16, which i have


when i say rebuild, i mean new pistons, new gaskets(of course) and anything else i come across, that i need to fix because im at 190,XXX miles

[AkimboStylee]

^ plus new cam shaft and gear ( yes GEAR, sohc engine, i fell fixxing up a d series will make a statement)

[thermal]

krwheeler85,
If you are going to rebuild the D-engine, you might as well shoot for higher boost goal. I dont see the point of rebuilding it and not boost high. I'm running 10psi on stock internals with no problems. My advice for you is to focus on building the bottom end. I wouldnt mess with the head or valve train work until you completed what you want to do on the bottom end. However, you should concentrate on maybe getting an aftermarket IM, if you wish to further your set-up potential/efficiency. Dont worry about the cam gear and camshaft, unless you get a turbo cam-shaft. Stock Honda heads are efficient as is, even on force induction believe it or not.

T3T04e are big turbos. I think it's too big for a D16 for street uses. I guess you can get a 50T and 48 A/R which I think will be the best flowing T3T04e for a D-engine, while trying to hit max boost set-point before achieving engine redline.

Goodluck on your project and keep us posted!:yes:

[AkimboStylee]

^thank you,

you said:
(However, you should concentrate on maybe getting an aftermarket IM, if you wish to further your set-up potential/efficiency.)

what is an after market IM?

[AzCivic]

get aftermarket pistons/rods not stock ones, 250 wheel hp will be easily reached.

[thermal]

IM= intake manifold. Skunk2 and edelbrock make some sick manifold! :yes:

[AkimboStylee]

^ I knew that, just slipped my mind.

where can i find a good IM for Cheap, >200 dollars

i also plan on getting new pistons/rods, and a complete rebuild kit

[AzCivic]

dont worry about a IM, worry about the rebuild first.

[AkimboStylee]

if im going to do anything, im going to do it all, less time without a car

[thermal]

I see. Ask Hondaman-iac if he sells it. He can give you great deals. His items are all shipped prices. You can also try www.prostreetonline.com

[out there]

you should contact www.straightlinespecialties.com about the turbo kit. i was just talking to one of the owners the other day, and they're designing a killer turbo kit for the d series engine. don't expect it to be cheap though: 5x trim turbo, tubular exhaust manifold, fmic... yeah, almost all of us would get a good look at your tail-lights if you run that stuff.

[AkimboStylee]

i will look into that!!

[Importrepairguy]

Nothing wrong with higher compression turbo set-up if tuned correctly! Hence the word TUNED! the higher static compression will not only allow the car to launch harder it will spool the turbo faster, therefor allowing larger A/R housing for more CFM. but again may require higher octane fuel ( higher octane fuel burns at a slower rate). Also ignition timing may need to be re configured, I don't like the BTM's but a Greddy Emanage or perhaps an Apexi ITC may be cheaper rout than stand-alone. Lower static compression allows for more boost but robs HP and Torque from the engine. MSD BTM also robs HP. It's funny how many misconceptions are believed to be required components for a turbo engine. And I'm also not a fan of the one piece metal head gaskets that are unreliable. Cometic by far is the best headgasket on the market, it's layered and comes in various thicknesses, and all Honda applications. I use them exclusively, unless you go the rout for a race car than I recommend O-ring block w/ reciever in head and Copper gasket. a concideration should also be taken for an ignition upgrade , the MSD 6a w/ a Blaster or HPV coil work wonders on a boosted car.

[thermal]

^that is what I'm talking about.... thanks importrepairguy :yes:. Those are great points!

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

wow, i feel really dumb all of a sudden...:confused:

[thermal]

you will learn all this shiznit pare. Once you get your turbo set-up, you wont stop.

[vtectuned]

i feel even dumber

[thermal]

bottom line is tuning. Most preferably, dyno tuning.:yes:

[ShEaNy]

lol i ve just decided..to build my F22 N/A....a little...get header..pullies...i know a guy who might build up the head(port and polish..retainers..valves..whatever the hells in there lol)...maybe down the road ill toss a turbo in there:cool: gota get my Mr7's first..:)

[thermal]

Nice... he he he he.... i just sold My "MR7's"....:yes:

[ShEaNy]

NOOOOOOOOOOO WHat colour were THEY;( ;( ;(

[thermal]

Originally posted by sheany_91accord
NOOOOOOOOOOO WHat colour were THEY;( ;( ;(
gunmetal :yes:

[Mirkwo0dForest]

i like how you just say "toss a turbo in there", cuz i'm sitting here staring at all my turbo stuff and thinking... damn.... i'm gonna have a bit of downtime.. lol

i got 2 other people helping me and we're shooting for 3 days...
this is a full install on a 94 teg [turbo,manifold,injector,safc,resistor,intercooler, BOV]

wut are my chances of meeting the goal?
if it's more than a week lie to me.......

[thermal]

If it is a kit, it shouldnt take more than 2 days. Custom and piecing together is a totally different story. My car has been sittin on a jackstand for almost 2 weeks now. I thought I had everything but little things pop up. The biggest draw back was my turbo manifold and turbo not fitting in right. But I do have a solution in place.

[Sivik]

thermal, i said what up to you in another thread, but im back as well so i can help out peeps with ???'s too... stupid school has taken up so much of my time but oh well i cant wait anymore. time for some changes on my car as well. who would of thought engineering was so damn difficult??? not me...

[thermal]

Originally posted by Sivik
thermal, i said what up to you in another thread, but im back as well so i can help out peeps with ???'s too... stupid school has taken up so much of my time but oh well i cant wait anymore. time for some changes on my car as well. who would of thought engineering was so damn difficult??? not me...
lol..... glad to see you back man. :yes: :cool: :yes: