B18A swap

[IALuder]

ok heres what I know so far.....

You need motor mounts (azracemachine.com)
rear mount bracket from b16 civic (junkyard or hasport.com)
engine harness from the b18, don't use the civic one.
use a obd1 ecu from a 93 non-vtec integra
cable conversion kit for the tranny (hasport.com or be creative and make your own)
93 integra shift linkage, or cut and reweld yours to fit
and probably a few other little things


ARD Performance.com has alot of the items that i will need for the swap, Half shafts, ECU, Wiring Harnesses, Long Block, Head, Intake and Exaust Manifold.

What can i fit on the B18A block... The answer is ANY 'B' series
Head. If im going to use a turbo i can decrease the compression ratio to about 8.5:1 so i can use more boost so that the extra compression will not damage my head.
And by doing so you can use 7lbs of boost to 9lbs without any problems... (B18A has 10.5:1 or so) But If im not going to change the compression (leaving it stock) build up the bottom end of the ie. forged pistons, racing crank, forged titanium
conecting rods, Stage 3 clutch and 9lb flyheel. Now for the head; forged rods, rings, cams. That is only if im not going to change the compression.

Now for the Bottle, Port polish and shave the head, high dome pistons (increasing the compression

am i missing anything? and has anyone else done this?

Im a n00bie to the swapping of motors.

thanks ben

[pdiggitydogg]

youre completely all over the place....decide what you want to do first (NA/Boost/N2O)

Youre like "Im gonna raise comp. for this, lower if for this, raise it again for this"

Turbo and NA apps use different n2o setups, wet or dry...so that is somehting that you'll need to figure out as well.

Is this your daily car or just a fun-mobile? From the sounds of it its a fun mobile...

[IALuder]

its a fun-mobile for right now. I drive a 1988 All-Trac Celica for my daily car.

well I want to know, which would be better Turbo or Supercharger on a 1993 Teg LS motor?
Greddy Turbo or Vortec Supercharger.

then I will know which n2o set up to use.

after the swap, the Vic/Teg will become my daily car.
goodbye All-Trac.

ben

[MAXed Out]

I own a 92 teg Ls my self i dunno too much about engine swaps but if i were u i would get the Vortec Supercharger.

[pdiggitydogg]

boost via turbo imo

[AzCivic]

go turbo!

and if you wanna run both the turbo and nitrous you're going to have to replace the internals(pistons/rods) for stronger aftermarket ones.

[IALuder]

thanks guys for the input. :)

i think ill do a B18A turbo with n2o.

now for better pistons...which would you prefer? spoon:confused:

ben

[AzCivic]

SRP/JE, wiseco or arias.

"there is no spoon" especially when talking forced induction.

[IALuder]

really i never knew that. dang i need to read more about that stuff.

but in opinion would this swap be a good idea?

B18a LS in for a D15b DX

[AzCivic]

yeah its a pretty good swap, its not too expensive and will make good low end power(relatively speaking). i'd put the engine on an engine stand and replace the pistons/rods myself, then swap and then when funds are available boost it like crazy. 300hp or more should be pretty easy with the right turbo/ fuel setup. so you really don't need nitrous.

[RavingCivic]

isnt the LS a B18B??:confused:

[IALuder]

a B18B is for 94-00 LS/GS Tegs
B18A1 or B18a is 1992-1993 LS/GS/RS Tegs

the difference between the two is amount of hp (2) and lbs of toqure (1). bore and stroke are the same. both 1.8L. both non V-tech. Plus a B18B swap coast more then a B18a. why becuase B18a can use civic stock parts. Suchs as injectors fuel oil pumps/lines and shift linkages, guages. the basic stuff. alls i need to buy to do this swap is Mounts, and Engine/Tranny. Ill upgrade the fuel and oil pump when doing the swap just so i dont have to do it later on. save me some time and waste more money.

Ben

[nonovurbizniz]

Originally posted by SFKing
a B18B is for 94-00 LS/GS Tegs
B18A1 or B18a is 1992-1993 LS/GS/RS Tegs

the difference between the two is amount of hp (2) and lbs of toqure (1). bore and stroke are the same. both 1.8L. both non V-tech. Plus a B18B swap coast more then a B18a. why becuase B18a can use civic stock parts. Suchs as injectors fuel oil pumps/lines and shift linkages, guages. the basic stuff. alls i need to buy to do this swap is Mounts, and Engine/Tranny. Ill upgrade the fuel and oil pump when doing the swap just so i dont have to do it later on. save me some time and waste more money.

Ben

The difference between the two is obd I vs obd II.

Also b18b's are hydrolic clutch and a's are cable...

The oil pump is in the engine... so the proper one is already in the block you swap in.

I don't think you need mounts... just the rear bracket... all the others should swap in fine...

[IALuder]

well i have talk to lots of people who have done a b18a or B18B swap and they suggeested doing mounts. plus sence im not swap auto to 5spd the hydro and cable links dont come into the picture.

Plus it looks like all my funds are going into fixing my semi/very little damaged civic. read the thread hit and run.

ben

[nonovurbizniz]

I don't think a b-series auto tranny fits in a civic...

Not positive but I'm pretty sure.

[IALuder]

well people do b16a swap to the civics and they do b18B and b18c. so it must fit with some adjusting. i was told it was possible with the right amount of cash.

ben

[Shaved &/or Laid]

with the 'right amount of cash' you can ditch that flaming auto and go with a non homo-erotic 5 speed.

[IALuder]

why you gotta hate.

[nonovurbizniz]

People swap ANY b-series ENGINE into a civic... it's the b-series auto's that don't fit...

Again I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure... NO b auto will fit in the civic...

I'll look into it...

Maybe I'm wrong.. maybe it was the h22 that wouldn't fit the auto in a civic... cuz now that I think about it I think you could get a civic in japan with dohc auto...

[pdiggitydogg]

^i know you can get an auto b16 in japan

[Shaved &/or Laid]

Not hating, just telling the truth.

a) honda automatic transmissions are EXTREMELY ass for racing. Period. They are slow. End of discussion

b) you want to do all that work just for a transmission thats EXTREMELY ass and theres no reason to keep it at all.

c) you want to have racing props ? nobody respects a guy who cant drive stick. If youre not good at stick, youre not good at racing...or drivign for that matter. Anyone can push a damn pedal down and hold it.

Disclaimer: also, dont give me shit about beign a 'hater' cause 'im jealous of you doing a swap'...that seems to be the trend nowadays.

[IALuder]

aight calm down.

Im pretty sure you can so a b series auto swap. i have seen a auto b18b in a civic. it was a show car.

now on to shaved

A) i can drive a stick. my daily drivin car is a 1989 celica stick shift all trac. more powerfull then any civic and accord.

B) i cant pimp out a 89 celica becuase companys think its to old and nobody drives one to make parts for it. its to expensive to do custom making of anything now a days. so i just drive it as a daily car.

C) My civic was cheap. so getting it for the amount that i did i figured doing a engine swap with a auto tranny will make up the extra money i would have to spend on a higher price and nicer shaped civic on the year.

D)in the future after paying everything off and the swap to a bigger engine is done. i will buy a Stick shift for the civic.

E)when i go to the junk/salvage yard maybe theyll have a whole acura 5spd i can take and do it all at once. i got 1800 to spend on swap. i may go bigger to B18B.

[Shaved &/or Laid]

okay. i have a deep dark hatred for AT transmissions.

[IALuder]

its coo. i understand.

i am swapping to manual but with limited funds itll take me longer. i cant do it all at once.

till then, im looking for a tach to put in my car.

ben

[jaberg00]

Hey, noooooo No2 too much pressure on the engine unless u got a another to put back in after u Nos and turbo that engine, trust me it will blow

[IALuder]

huh, what?

im not dumb i know how much pressure to put on a engine. plus NoS is not going in my car for a long time.

Plus i decided that in a couple of years, after college and sh1t. i will buy a B18c5 and mod/boost that mutha up. i blew my DX engine a week ago it seems like. i will buy a 92 civic Vtec engine, till the cars paid off and i got more funds. i may take a loan. buy the B18c5. be better then those who do B20 and B18b swap. the most pointless swaps there are.

[pdiggitydogg]

dude...you dont have a clue about swaps...total honesty

for the money, the b18b is the best swap for boost that there is.
its already low comp so its great for boost, inexpensive, nonvtec so there is less strain on the motor at all times. Go visit honda-tech and say that...you will be banned within minutes...if not owned entirely. for the price of ls and custom turbo you could spend under 3k and beat a shit load of cars including c5's.

b20 is a very torque-y motor and great if you just want that. Ive done research on them recently, and tue, they do appear not to last long after crvtec as a daily driver, but they are a great nonvtec boost motor, or great for race. A simple b20 bottom and a type r/ported b16 head and you "should" be able to run mid to low 13's with the right tuning...sounds like a type r motor to me.

so think and do some research before you talk shit about the underdogs/hidden treasure b's

non-vtec power
I give props to the swapped b18b's and the b20's

[cashizslick]

What about us trendy b16a owners?

c'mon pdiggs, where's our props - j/k

Ya, the b18b is great for boost cause it has low comp and long gear ratios - it also requires very little tuning since it has no vtec.

[pdiggitydogg]

oh sorry...MAD PROPS TO THE B16A'S!! "TIGHT Y0!"
something like that?
;)

b16's are the torqueless wonder...I do have love for them:yes:

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
oh sorry...MAD PROPS TO THE B16A'S!! "TIGHT Y0!"
something like that?
;)

b16's are the torqueless wonder...I do have love for them:yes:

coo

hey Pdiggs, you think that the Greddy turbo kit for a 99-00 civic SI will work with my car - everything should bolt up fine, im just worried since the kit is designed for an OBD2 car and my car is OBD 1.

[pdiggitydogg]

it'll work fine...just dont use the blue box
run the afc hack or similar

other than that...perfectly compatable (Ive looked into it)
it will also work on the b16 powered sols (a2 and a3)

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by cashizslick

Ya, the b18b is great for boost cause it has low comp and long gear ratios - it also requires very little tuning since it has no vtec.

please explain how longer gear ratios are better for boost on a 4cylinder engine?

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by AzCivic
please explain how longer gear ratios are better for boost on a 4cylinder engine?

Because you can ride the added power for a longer ammount of time. - thats why turbo cars have long gear ratios and NA cars have short gear ratios.

there is no reason to have short gear ratios on a turbo car since your power band is so wide, not narrow like a NA vtec motor.
i.e. longer gear ratios take advantage of the added power and torque from the turbo kit - boost increases linearly, so its stupid to gear the car with short ratios, the more you shift, the more power you miss out on with the turbo.

i guess what im trying to say is the more you shift the more you loose spool, and, since boost increases linearly, long gear ratios will allow the car to use more power.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by cashizslick
Because you can ride the added power for a longer ammount of time. - thats why turbo cars have long gear ratios and NA cars have short gear ratios.

there is no reason to have short gear ratios on a turbo car since your power band is so wide, not narrow like a NA vtec motor.
i.e. longer gear ratios take advantage of the added power and torque from the turbo kit - boost increases linearly, so its stupid to gear the car with short ratios, the more you shift, the more power you miss out on with the turbo.

i guess what im trying to say is the more you shift the more you loose spool, and, since boost increases linearly, long gear ratios will allow the car to use more power.

-the powerband on a turbo'd 4cylinder in anything but wide.

-boost increases with exhaust out put, if you're sitting at 3k rpms and someone with shorter gears is sitting at 3.5k rpms and the setups/throttle position are the same the guy with the shorter gearing is making more power, and is faster.

-longer gearing being great for turbo is a myth.

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by AzCivic
[Blonger gearing being great for turbo is a myth. [/B]


ok - take 2 b18b powered (BOOSTED) Civic eg hatches, both weighing the same, with the same exact mods: identical cars with identicle drivers. the only difference is one car is using stock ls gear ratios and the other is using shorter ones. Guess who gets owned, the moron who decided to use the shorter gear ratios - robbing his car of potential power from the turbo.

Tis no myth

[AzCivic]

you just made an example and came up with your own out come based on opinion.

both cars make the same amount of power, one gets to the thick of his power band quicker, the other one lags behind.

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by AzCivic

both cars make the same amount of power, one gets to the thick of his power band quicker, the other one lags behind.

No, they dont make the same power.

The car with the longer gearing makes more power because its turbo will spool longer thus making more power than the car with the shorter gearing.

[AzCivic]

gearing has nothing to do with horsepower output, pure and simple.

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by AzCivic
gearing has nothing to do with horsepower output

Duhh, but PROPER gearing allows you to use your setup to the full potential.

If gearing has nothing to do with power output, then why on earth do people change their gear ratios to suit their setup? - "oh wait, cause they are able to get more power from their setup (or in the case of NA cars, getting the power quicker)"

[AzCivic]

so you only want to get the power quicker in a n/a car but not a turbo one??

[cashizslick]

You know that a turbo car makes power in a different way than an na car.
Go ahead, re-gear a turbo car with shorter ratios and watch its performance numbers drop drasticaly.

This is a pointless argument - there is no way you can say that gearing has nothing to do with the way a car performs. Im not gonna argue something as stupid as this
- ill check for your resonses in the morning, as i have more important things to do (like sleep) than argue with you over weather the sky is blue or not.

[AzCivic]

way to put words in my mouth smart guy.

read up before you go to bed.

[AzCivic]

no one else has any input??

[IALuder]

i plan to go all motor. if you were going all motor what engine would you buy to put in a 93 Civic Coupe? i want to be a all motor sleeper. and B20s are not a idea i care to hear, they wouldnt last.

[AzCivic]

h22 or b18c5

[pdiggitydogg]

its a matter of preference in my opinion
shorter gears will kick the boost up quicker and thus faster, quicker (get it?)
sure the ls will sit you in boost longer...but your still in the same gear while the dude next to you shifts away for power gain

daily driver...id say ls tranny is nice (maybe gsr with modded final drive or even ls 4th and 5th gears)
racing i would for sure go with itr or gsr/b16

and thats my input

[Shaved &/or Laid]

The day has finally come. This is tha day that i side with CASHIZSLICK. I know Az is smart, but i definitely agree with cash. What he is saying is that, since boost increases linearly, the car with longer gears stays in the higher powerband for longer. It almost makes my head hurt to think about it, but i see what hes saying. Plus, we have b16's and differentials.

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by AzCivic
way to put words in my mouth smart guy.

read up before you go to bed.

If you read what you posted, i havent responded to anything you didnt say - just cause you are mad cause you are wrong is stupid, no reason to get mad.

If shorter gearing is so great for a turbo car, go take a turbo supra and give it shorter gears - its 1/4 mile times will be total crap - it may still make the same power on a dyno, but it wont be able to take full advantage of its power with imporper (i.e. shorter) gearing.

**and about telling me to "read up" - i think you might need a little of that yourself**

[IALuder]

pdigg, im talking all motor. no boost period. if you were going all motor what motor would you do a swap with b18b b18c1 b18c5? i really dont care about turbos, superchargers, and NoS. i think personally NoS just helps you ruin the motor quicker. even if you know how to shot NoS. NoS to me is like a game cheat, it only helps those who cant win or beat you on their own(stock motor).

[pdiggitydogg]

again there are those that will put you in your place for n2o...im not one of them

just dont go around talking about motors being pointless...none of them are and each have a niche...people get pissed when you talk shit about their "beloved's"
then again...youre now saying that you werent planning on boost, when just a little while ago, you said
Originally posted by SFKing
i will buy a B18c5 and mod/boost that mutha up


now....what are you doing

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by cashizslick
If you read what you posted, i havent responded to anything you didnt say - just cause you are mad cause you are wrong is stupid, no reason to get mad.

If shorter gearing is so great for a turbo car, go take a turbo supra and give it shorter gears - its 1/4 mile times will be total crap - it may still make the same power on a dyno, but it wont be able to take full advantage of its power with imporper (i.e. shorter) gearing.

**and about telling me to "read up" - i think you might need a little of that yourself**

"there is no way you can say that gearing has nothing to do with the way a car performs."

I did NOT say this, therefore you put words in my mouth.

as for reading up lets look at some info you thought you knew...

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by cashizslick
Because you can ride the added power for a longer ammount of time. - thats why turbo cars have long gear ratios and NA cars have short gear ratios.


lets compare gear ratios of a factory Turbo car and a factory N/A car...

Eclipse turbo: New Civic SI:

Final Drive: 4.93 4.764

1st Gear Ratio: 3.08 3.062
2nd Gear Ratio: 1.68 1.769
3rd Gear Ratio: 1.12 1.212
4th Gear Ratio: .83 .921
5th Gear Ratio: .67 .738

hmmm, the eclipse ends up with a shorter first gear, they both have identical 2nd gears, third finally has the civic with a shorter ratio(3.5mph difference, not really all that much) then 4th is actually decently shorter on the civic where if the shift points and everthing else were the same the civic would shift a whole 8mph sooner than the eclipse.

so the ratios arent really all that different for these cars, hmmm, what if we made the eclipses slightly longer ratios(3, 4) exactly the same as the civic's...I wonder would the eclipse win by an even greater margin or would the civic somehow benefit from the eclipses "mistake"?

[AzCivic]

Furthermore, If you're really worried about shifting too soon(say against a large displacement V8 where they can go with longer gears and not have much to worry about when racing a 4cylinder car) what could you do to get to a higher MPH before shifting???????????????? RAISE THE REV LIMIT, with a good turbo/head setup you'll be making power beyond the stock redline so why not take advantage of the power up there!?!?!?! with shorter gearing you can! with longer gearing it'll take too long to get up there.

[IALuder]

not all motors are pointless, sorry for saying that.

B20 with a b16 head is way to much money to spend. why do that when the engine isnt going to last. like you said, its a good swap for those who only use it for racing (once in awhile). im not agianst those who do this swap, but i dont see the point, when you can get a different motor. not have to trade heads and everything for better compression.

Im planning on all motor. most people use B18c5 in civics for all motor racing.

Im not trying to talk shit either, sorry for those who that. i just posted my opinion.

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by AzCivic

so the ratios arent really all that different for these cars, hmmm, what if we made the eclipses slightly longer ratios(3, 4) exactly the same as the civic's...I wonder would the eclipse win by an even greater margin or would the civic somehow benefit from the eclipses "mistake"?

If you make the eclipses longer gear ratios the same as the civics (which isnt much different) the Civic would benefit since the eclipse wouldnt be able to use as much of its high end ability as it was able to use before.

ANd BTW, raising the rev limit past your max power is useless since you will just continue to loose power if you dont shift - turbo cars benefit from longer gearing since boost increases linearly - the longer you rev w/out shifting, the more your turbo will spool - thus creating more power. Obviously you have to shift at some point, but it is wise to use longer gearing w/turbo since once your turbo is moving, you will be able to make more power at a lower rpm.

This explains why the eclipse has a shorter 1st gear, because it will be able to get its turbo fulley spooled in first, and then take advantage of the spooling to make power during the longer gears.
These stats dont do anything other than support my side of the argument.

[AzCivic]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cashizslick
If you make the eclipses longer gear ratios the same as the civics (which isnt much different) the Civic would benefit since the eclipse wouldnt be able to use as much of its high end ability as it was able to use before.

uhhh ok sure..

ANd BTW, raising the rev limit past your max power is useless since you will just continue to loose power if you dont shift - turbo cars benefit from longer gearing since boost increases linearly - the longer you rev w/out shifting, the more your turbo will spool - thus creating more power. Obviously you have to shift at some point, but it is wise to use longer gearing w/turbo since once your turbo is moving, you will be able to make more power at a lower rpm.

you will not lose power if the the head allows you to make power beyond the stock revlimit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This explains why the eclipse has a shorter 1st gear, because it will be able to get its turbo fulley spooled in first, and then take advantage of the spooling to make power during the longer gears.
These stats dont do anything other than support my side of the argument.

oh so now a shorter first gear is GOOD on a turbo car.

[IALuder]

you two are still fighting? damn

[IALuder]

heres some input for you 2.

a car with shorter gear ratios will reach top speeds quicker, but wont reach its max output.

a car with longer ratios will reach higher speeds and at longer time.

depends on how fast you want to reach the end of the 1/4 mile.

shorter ratios are better for a turbo car. if you have a boost controller and turbo timer.

Longer ratios are better if you dont have them.

[cashizslick]

Az - i will agree that having a short gear ratio for first gear is benificial for the Eclipse cause it will get the turbo to spool up quickly, the reason every other gear in the eclipse is longer than the civic's gears is becaue it is geared to use the power from the fulley spooled turbo for as long as possible without loosing power.

If a turbo is not able to fully spool in first (because its a real big one), then second gear would also need to be made slightly shorter to get the turbo spooled, then the preceeding gears should be long to take advantage of a fully spooled turbo.

A fully spooled turbo gives you a wider range of usable power.

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by AzCivic
Furthermore, If you're really worried about shifting too soon(say against a large displacement V8 where they can go with longer gears and not have much to worry about when racing a 4cylinder car) what could you do to get to a higher MPH before shifting???????????????? RAISE THE REV LIMIT, with a good turbo/head setup you'll be making power beyond the stock redline so why not take advantage of the power up there!?!?!?! with shorter gearing you can! with longer gearing it'll take too long to get up there.

If you are talking about a NA car, this is a good idea,
but raising your rev limit beyond where your max power is stupid since you will lose power if you ride to high. Shorter gearing is benificial to NA cars because their power is constant all the time (i,e, no spooling). Having short gear ratios on an NA car will keep it in its power band at all times.

Having short gearing on a turbo car will rob the car of its potential because its power band will be wider if it's turbo is fully spooled.

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by SFKing
you two are still fighting? damn

no, we are not fighting, we are having an intelligent yet heated discussion - lol.

I have nothing against Az personally and have learned from his posts on several occasions in the past - i am arguing with him now because what he is saying doesnt make sence.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by cashizslick
Az - i will agree that having a short gear ratio for first gear is benificial for the Eclipse cause it will get the turbo to spool up quickly, the reason every other gear in the eclipse is longer than the civic's gears is becaue it is geared to use the power from the fulley spooled turbo for as long as possible without loosing power.

If a turbo is not able to fully spool in first (because its a real big one), then second gear would also need to be made slightly shorter to get the turbo spooled, then the preceeding gears should be long to take advantage of a fully spooled turbo.

A fully spooled turbo gives you a wider range of usable power.

the turbo has to respool in EVERY gear, it doesnt stay spooled from the gear before it. you switch gears the BOV bleeds off pressure, the turbo then has to rebuild that pressure when you get back into gear.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by cashizslick
no, we are not fighting, we are having an intelligent yet heated discussion - lol.

I have nothing against Az personally and have learned from his posts on several occasions in the past - i am arguing with him now because what he is saying doesnt make sence.

heated debates are fun for everyone!!!! :) :)

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by AzCivic
the turbo has to respool in EVERY gear, it doesnt stay spooled from the gear before it. you switch gears the BOV bleeds off pressure, the turbo then has to rebuild that pressure when you get back into gear.

the BOV bleeds some but not all of the pressure - If the bov bled all the pressure and the turbo stopped spooling, then bov's would be a useless mod and nobody would get them cause it would cause a major loss in power.

Bov's bleed enough pressure to keep the turbo from hurting itself, but not enough to cause the turbo to stopp spinning - thats why turbo cars are able to take advantage of a slightly longer gear ratio than an NA car.

[cashizslick]

aawww cmon az - you have been online for the past 30 mins and havent replied yet.

[AzCivic]

I have??? I just got back from physical training with my stupid squadron.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by cashizslick
the BOV bleeds some but not all of the pressure - If the bov bled all the pressure and the turbo stopped spooling, then bov's would be a useless mod and nobody would get them cause it would cause a major loss in power.

Bov's bleed enough pressure to keep the turbo from hurting itself, but not enough to cause the turbo to stopp spinning - thats why turbo cars are able to take advantage of a slightly longer gear ratio than an NA car.

it doesnt matter how much it bleeds, it still bleeds pressure and it wont build back up until you're in the next gear. obviously the turbo isnt going to stop spinnning but its spinning slower in the beginning of each gear than it was at the end of each gear.

Look the more power you have the longer your gears can be without making the car too slow. it has nothing to do with boost, it has to do with power. big v8's make way more power than a boosted 4cylinder, they come stock with longer gears cause they can still run 13 sec 1/4mile times. BUT what is one of their first mods????????????? changing out the rearend gears to make the car ACCELERATE faster.

Boost or no boost shorter gearing makes a vehicle accelerate quicker, longer gears give you a higher top speed and better gas mileage.

There is a way that shorter gears can give you a higher top speed but thats a whole different story.

[IALuder]

like i said on page four.

heres some input for you 2. a car with shorter gear ratios will reach top speeds quicker, but won’t reach its max output. car with longer ratios will reach higher speeds and at longer time. Depends on how fast you want to reach the end of the 1/4-mile. Shorter ratios are better for a turbo car. If you have a boost controller and turbo timer. Longer ratios are better if you don’t have them.

not sure if qoute worked

[IALuder]

it did. success!!

[AzCivic]

what does a boost controller and a turbo timer have to do with gearing???

[Shaved &/or Laid]

DUDE ! LOOK !

i got to feed some kittens today. They were hungry and living in my garage so i gave them food. Then later they liked me.

My fatehr Comands a soy farm ! its fifteen hechachres big.



Why are we arguing about this ?

[cashizslick]

Originally posted by AzCivic
Boost or no boost shorter gearing makes a vehicle accelerate quicker, longer gears give you a higher top speed and better gas mileage.

Well, it seems theres no convincing you - i guess we will just agree to disagree - im tired of this topic.

[nonovurbizniz]

^agree to what you want... he's right...

Short gears make you accelerate faster with the same power.

The ONLY reason for longer gears is higher top speed... less frequent shifting... and gas milage...

I personally prefer long gears... The way I see it make you gears long so you can reach higher speeds in each gear and make up the time with more power.

I drove an S4 and the gears were soooo short it was rediculous... almost undrivable imo... I wouldn't buy the car based on it's tranny... It makes it MUCH faster than it would otherwise be but it's not ANY fun to drive imo.

the best way to shorten gears imo is to get more power.

[cashizslick]

umm, your a little late, but thanks for the input.
Its surprising to hear how everybody thinks its bennificial for turbo cars to have shorter gearing - like i said, im done arguing this for now, but if this topic comes up again ill be there lol

[IALuder]

lol...ill be sure to add info that doesnt support anything or anyone 2.