Conspiracy,aliens and other crap for GT40FIED

[sc0rch]

hehe..drunk again..so I'll try and make sence

1st off is aliens and things

where to start....ok lets just assume that aliens arent really aliens...they could be earlier things that never left...
take the bible for example
Adam and eve were the only 2 people around right....then they have kain and able....kain kills able and now we have a grand total of 3 people on earth....well when kain is banishes he says something like "the people of earth will kill me" or something like that (it's been a while since i've hade this discussion)
so who are the people of earth? he cant be talking about adam and eve cause that wouldnt make sence.....plus he goes off and finds a woman...hmmmmm...wher'd she come from?

so here is a theory....Adam and Eve were not the 1st two people around.....there was a whole other civilization to begin with........since the 1st doccumented humans were around about 36,000 years ago...and we evolved to the Humans that we are now...and adam and ever were humans like we are now.....then that other culture has to be atleast 36,000 years more advanced than us....see where i'm going with this?

in 36,000 years we have only evolved 1%

but we have accomplished alot for it to be only 1%

we have accomplished more in 50 years than we ever have

ok so some of the things we can do now are Phase tectonics.....involving quantum physics..

basically we see frequencies.....something may be different frequency than us but we can still see it....but things like air have a frequency that we cant see but we still know it's there....

in the studies of phase tectonics we discovered by running 2 huge generators against eachother we could make things dissapear

what we did was ran 2 generators at opposite frequencies for days creating a field around a large ship.....inside that field everything(including people) dissapeared.....made them all one frequency...they basically took the atoms and electrons and moved them a space over so that the frequency steped beyond what we could see......everything was still there but completely invisible....and we created another reality/dimension.....problem was because we changed every thing to 1 solid frequency when people came back once the feild was turned off they were sticking halfway through walls and basically anything they were touching at the time they became a part of it......all of this is completely true..and after reading about my dad had asked me if i ever herd of it because they were showing it on the history channel.....it's part of project aurora.....do some research if you dont believe me......

anyway the point i'm getting at is......

say those earlier people who had been here way longer than us had figured out the same thing.......but since they have had atleast 36,000 years to work on it they figured out how to make there entire world dissapear...and it's not impossible...if we can make a ship full of people dissapear and we are hardly advanced...why couldnt someone 36,000 years ahead of us make things dissapear at will......not saying they dissapear to where they can still see us or we see them......but if they did make there world dissapear (animals,plants,vehicles,houses,terrain) it would be a whole different dimenision...

ever feel something evil next to you....but not see anything? ever have "poltergeist" experiences,such as having the covers ripped off you,foot steps in the hallway or anything like that......

think about it this way...people put off negative ions and positive ions....you breath in negative (good for you) and release positive (bad for you) ions....a person with a disease will give off more positive ions than a person who isnt diseased.....now back in the day when gods roamed the earth (again our friends who we cant see) some were good and some were evil.....now the evil people were deamed wvil because they had a 1 track mind...like obesessive compulsive.....they couldnt change there mind about anything....and OC dissorder is a disease...there for releasing more + ions than the normal person.....so those poltergeists that you have encountered...or that evil you feel near you....it's really there.....just because you cant see it.doesnt meen it's not there....Ghosts and spirits are a different story all together....

The egyptians were more advance than any other culture...they saw gods like others but there god helped them invent electricity (yes egyptians knew about it b4 any of us)
now why would a group of people make up a bunch of characters and call them gods for no reason.....and if the gods they worshiped were all in there heads then how did they figure out electircity,flight,glass,alignment of the pyramids?
hmmmmm someone helped them....but apparently they were the only civilization willing to learn....oh and the spynx is way older than the egyptians.....so old that they can't even come up with a date even close to it's true origin.....

so if you say that gods are all in there heads then you are calling tons of civilizations full of people liars.....

people now still belive in gods.....so are they liars too..they believe because at one time there was people walking the earth that to homo sapiens,looked and seemed like gods to them because they looked different and were full of knowledge that we at the time didn't understand.....

now i dont go to church or belive that jesus was nothing more than a good actor......but i still believe that there is a "god" simply because something had to create us....even if it wasnt how the bible said.....we were created by a higher power....i listen to slayer for shit sake.....

anyway enough about that.....

how about real aliens

another theory

why,if there is a god,would we be the only living thing in the entire galaxy.the only civilization through out infinity? we aren't......we only see life as carbon based...so if some life form non corbon based came to us...we would disregard it as a rock or something like that.....

and even then why isnt there other carbon based life?

there is.....no possible way that we are the only humanoid beings in the universe....I'm not getting into too much of this







next......

Govt conspiracies


how about there was no apache hellicopter untill the 80s....wrong....my friends das was on project navaho during nam where he flew apache choppers...hmmmmm

also La chupacabra....didnt come around untill a US bio lab was torn open by a hurricane......then after they trapped the monster they didnt see it again.....and all of the sudden after another huricane that ripped open the cave that la chupacabra was in..they started seeing it again.....hmmmmmmm

dont tell me that you believe that the govt doesnt experiment on crazy shit.....making all kinds of stuff you dont want to know about...if you dont believe it then you are Naieve....

We advanced in 50 years furlther than we have in 500..........wonder how? you dont think that we stole technology from our invisible friends? all of the sudden we know how to make lazers,megaton bombs,supersonic aircraft,satalites that can see the dirt on your floor in your house if they want.
we have stolen so much crap from somewhere that it's retarded......engineers arent that damn smart.....to go "oh hey i just discovered how to make a thin beam of light cut through 4 ft of steel.....man i'm smart"


ok i'm done for now....buzz is getting too strong and brain doesnt wanna funcion like normal

[member]

maybe aliens are actually the life form of us human beings
from the future...

there was some survey about something but it turned out that
a lot of people are attracted to big eyes and small mouths...

what's the general "alien" character?

one with the big eyes and small mouth.

[BlackWolf]

Damn dude, you get really deep when you get drunk. Interesting thoughts. :yes:

[spoogenet]

Originally posted by sc0rch
how about there was no apache hellicopter untill the 80s....wrong....my friends das was on project navaho during nam where he flew apache choppers...hmmmmm

also La chupacabra....didnt come around untill a US bio lab was torn open by a hurricane......then after they trapped the monster they didnt see it again.....and all of the sudden after another huricane that ripped open the cave that la chupacabra was in..they started seeing it again.....hmmmmmmm

dont tell me that you believe that the govt doesnt experiment on crazy shit.....making all kinds of stuff you dont want to know about...if you dont believe it then you are Naieve....

We advanced in 50 years furlther than we have in 500..........wonder how? you dont think that we stole technology from our invisible friends? all of the sudden we know how to make lazers,megaton bombs,supersonic aircraft,satalites that can see the dirt on your floor in your house if they want.
we have stolen so much crap from somewhere that it's retarded......engineers arent that damn smart.....to go "oh hey i just discovered how to make a thin beam of light cut through 4 ft of steel.....man i'm smart"



If you believe everything that people say they did, especially in Nam, then you're naive. That's not to say that there wasn't an Apache or Apache-variant chopper in Nam.....

But in how we have advanced so much in 50 years?

You are only talking of technology. In many ways we've regressed as a society and as humanity. But that's a different story.

See, it takes technology to make more technology. Not to mention we keep increasing the number of people working on things. Take the Cold War for example. It was the driving force behind government investing in research. The government invested very heavily which meant more people were working on developing more new technologies.....with each new technology we're able to push the limits that much further.

Many things allow you to develop, discover, and innovate exponentially. You always start off slow and pick up speed, it's hard to do much when you don't have much.

Think of it in other terms....money and interest. It takes money to make money. If 2 people invest money, each in a 5% APR account.....one starts with $10,000 and another with $100,000, in 1 year the guy with $100,000 initial investment will have made a lot more than the guy with 10k (5k vs. $500). It's simple, the more you have, the faster you can make even more.

Engineers can be that smart (not all of them are, trust me!). Researchers spend countless hours trying and failing only to eventually have one success story.....that's the nature of research. That's how big and little steps occur. Many little steps lead to big steps. Sometimes mistakes, mishaps, coincidence, luck, etc. play a big part as well. And sometimes even stealing....

If you really think that engineers and researchers couldn't have created many of the things we have, like lasers and powerful optics, then you have absolutely no comprehension of how much work goes into the research and development of these technologies, and chances are you take lots of "simple" things for granted.

And what the hell is la chupacabra?????

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[sc0rch]

la chupacabra is a "monster" that appeared in mixico in the 70s...i think the 70s.....research.....

ever herd of the govt blue books.....after 10 years they have to release a blue book about almost everything they do...they dont have to put all of the information it it but they atleast have to give the basics of whats goin on........

go get the blue book on project apache and phase tectonics......then look for more about technology they "found" and "discovered"

read o couple of them.....couldnt tell you where to find um cause i borrowed mine from a friend

tell me how naieve i am again after you read the one about project apache

[Daviso27]

La Chupacabra is now terrorising Puerto Rico

[spoogenet]

Originally posted by sc0rch
go get the blue book on project apache and phase tectonics......then look for more about technology they "found" and "discovered"

read o couple of them.....couldnt tell you where to find um cause i borrowed mine from a friend

tell me how naieve i am again after you read the one about project apache

I'll have to get me some blue books. :) But one thing....if you think the government is full of a bunch of liars and there are so many conspiracies and Congress has no clue what's going on.....do you think what's in the blue books is true???? Wouldn't that be a little ironic?

Let's just say that nothing related to aliens or anything quite as whack as that were to go on at "Area 51." People believing there are mass conspiracies and that research into aliens is going on would be one of the best things the government could have. A perpetual rumor machine that keeps the heat off what really goes on day-to-day. People are looking for aliens, not what they're really doing. It's a free coverup. Think about it....even if the government were to fully tell the truth (using assumptions made above) about what goes on at Area 51, would people believe it? They'd probably think its lies, because they know that there's alien research going on there.....

Often times the truth is so much more boring than the speculation and rumors would have you believe, but still important to keep secret.

I didn't say you're naive, I just said you would be naive if you believed every story someone told about Nam. I also didn't say there wasn't an Apache in Nam.

I wanna meet this la chupacabra. ;)

Haha, funny....

http://www.elchupacabra.com

b

[GT40FIED]

Way to go Sc0rch...drunken minds think alike. Here's my take:

I dunno about aliens populating the earth...but I do find it incredibly twisted that christians believe that all of humanity came about from 2 people. That's soooooo illegal these days. We'd all be inbreds and if you believe that then you'd better not ever screw another person because, in some way, you'd be related. Bottom line though...if you're ignorant enough to think that we're the ONLY life forms in a universe with billions of galaxies then you're a total jackass.

I'm a bit too inebriated to comment on the rest of this stuff...the chupacarba stuff was cool though. Just keep reminding everyone that killer bees were originally an experiment to cross-populate african bees with honey bees for pollenation that escaped once they became too aggressive and began migrating north (originally escaped from Brazil). Damn the U.S govt. and their games.

[sc0rch]

hopefully you guys dont think i said that the invisible people i was talking about are aliens....

not realy aliens but they are what we think to be aliens but they actually never left here to be aliens......know what i meen

[spoogenet]

sc0rch, you crack me up. :)

b

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by sc0rch
what we did was ran 2 generators at opposite frequencies for days creating a field around a large ship.....inside that field everything(including people) dissapeared.....made them all one frequency...they basically took the atoms and electrons and moved them a space over so that the frequency steped beyond what we could see......everything was still there but completely invisible....and we created another reality/dimension.....problem was because we changed every thing to 1 solid frequency when people came back once the feild was turned off they were sticking halfway through walls and basically anything they were touching at the time they became a part of it......all of this is completely true..and after reading about my dad had asked me if i ever herd of it because they were showing it on the history channel.....it's part of project aurora.....do some research if you dont believe me......

anyway the point i'm getting at is......

say those earlier people who had been here way longer than us had figured out the same thing.......but since they have had atleast 36,000 years to work on it they figured out how to make there entire world dissapear...and it's not impossible...if we can make a ship full of people dissapear and we are hardly advanced...why couldnt someone 36,000 years ahead of us make things dissapear at will......not saying they dissapear to where they can still see us or we see them......but if they did make there world dissapear (animals,plants,vehicles,houses,terrain) it would be a whole different dimenision...


Hey sc0rch...are you referring to the Philadelphia (sp?) experiment? If so...that's kinda been proven a hoax...though it's still up for arguement. What they did was set a bunch of charges of some sort throughout the ship to create an electromagnetic field to make the ship invisible to RADAR...not people. Some guy (who's name escapes me at the moment) claimed to be a longshoreman at the site and saw the ship disappear, which was later proven to be crap. That said, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. You might be talking about somethnig totally different though. I'm sober enough now to consider the post as a whole. BTW...Philadelphia Experiment...great movie. Conspiracy theories own me.

[sc0rch]

no no it's not the phili experiment.. damn it....i cant rmember the name of the whole project....and i cant remember who it's linked to project aurora either.....i
ll have to look it up again

it wasnt to make the ship be invisible to radar it was to try and see if they could change the harmonic frequencies of each individual electron to cause a seperation and make it invisible to the naked eye but ended up creating another reality/dimension......all of the people onboard died but some lived long enuff for them to get information from about what happend....but of course the blue book didnt tell what that info was...it was all blacked out

[juvenile]

If all this stuff was top secret, why would hte gov' even put it in the book? Why not just keep it total secret?

[sc0rch]

they have to release certain things 10 years after the experiment was performed



space flight was top secret,satalites were top secret...

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by juvenile
If all this stuff was top secret, why would hte gov' even put it in the book? Why not just keep it total secret?

Well...without any sort of hard copy (i.e. printed material or digitized version), what good would the information gained be to anyone? Without that it simply becomes word of mouth and that doesn't quite fly in the govt...especially in intelligence circles. Hard copies explain the exact particulars and effects and. thanks to the freedom of information act, every now and then some stuff becomes available.

[sc0rch]

w00t..thank you for mentioning freedom of information act

glad i'm not the only crazy freak here

[spoogenet]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Well...without any sort of hard copy (i.e. printed material or digitized version), what good would the information gained be to anyone? Without that it simply becomes word of mouth and that doesn't quite fly in the govt...especially in intelligence circles. Hard copies explain the exact particulars and effects and. thanks to the freedom of information act, every now and then some stuff becomes available.

But do you trust what's in the blue book to be true?

Sure the government has to publish something, but who's to say they're publishing the truth by any means? Afterall, they can't be trusted to be honest.....or can they?

b

[GT40FIED]

Trust me...you take EVERYTHING that comes from the govt. with a grain of salt.

[spoogenet]

Yeah I do....but do YOU? jfwy

I don't trust the government much, but I do recognize the need for secrecy in many cases.

Now I'm not saying that aliens or anything of the sort have visited our planet, live on our planet currently, or that the government has any experience with aliens.....however, would you really want to see undeniable proof of the existence of aliens on this planet?

Before answering that, don't just think about your own curiosity or what you can handle hearing or knowing. Think about the collective populus of the world and the implications such knowledge would have for the world.

Personally, I'd like to know if aliens exist and any info I could know about them. But I doubt whether the world could really handle such knowledge....but then again, I don't give people much credit either. :)

b

[GT40FIED]

That's a good point and I'm glad someone made it. That said...I think in most other parts of the world there's no debate over whether aliens exists...most wholeheartedly believe they do. I think most people here do, too...they just don't want to be labeled a sci-fi geek or it's just easier to joke about it. Knowledge wouldn't be a problem I don't think...I think any physical contact would be overwhelming

[thermal]

Dude.... you all give me a focking headache! Ha ha ha ha.... I did see that show on discovery channel about quantum physics and teleportation. That topic intrigue the hell out of me.

My take on this is pretty simple:

On the Adam and Eve subject:
I grew up in a catholic church and mostly with Christian beliefs. Catholicism and Christianity to me, on a few aspects contradicts itself. For this very reason, I attempted to read the entirety of the Holy Bible- New and Old Testament. The Bible left out alot of stuff after the Exodus chapter. The Adam and Eve gospel threw me off so bad and to make it worst, I started reading other religious book from other religion regarding the beginning of humanity. I hate to say this but I really dont buy any of it. I dont even buy the scientific reasoning that human originated from an ape. If so, why is it that this so called "evolution" ceased to evolved? I dont see any ape turning into humans anymore :confused:.

The Goverment Conspiracy:
I totally agree with what spoogenet has to say about that.

I do believe in Aliens. As stated, infinite universe...... It'll be dumb to believe that we are alone. Are they here? I have no clue. I havent met one yet in person, but it doesnt mean that they are not here. Do I believe that they are more advanced than us? Maybe and maybe not. We cannot be the youngest living creature in the entire universe. But if they can come in and out of our atmosphere and travel back in forth from their planet to earth, then the technology that we have taken for granted is not as advanced as theirs.

Lastly, on the subject of El chupa***whatever***abra:
To me, that is just another version of the Lochness monster.... except in mexican/spanish 2.0 edition......

peace! :bandit:

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by thermalfi'd16
I dont even buy the scientific reasoning that human originated from an ape. If so, why is it that this so called "evolution" ceased to evolved? I dont see any ape turning into humans anymore :confused:

Not to turn this into a theological thing like we've had here before...but I think the reason you don't "see" that happeneing is because it take tens of thousands of years. Plus people HAVE evolved in the last thousand years. Perhaps not physically, but we're no longer throwing stones at our own shadows and dying of old age and fear at 30. It's all relative...evolution isn't always tangible.

[spoogenet]

Do most people elsewhere in the world truly believe in the existence of aliens? I don't know, but for some reasons I doubt that.

How would the religions of the world explain the existence of aliens? So far I have yet to hear of any biblical references to alien existence, but I'm also not an avid Bible reader either.

If they're capable of visiting our planet then they'd definitely have intelligence and communication through a complex language. If they have emotion and a free will then what would separate them from us? Humans seem to take pride in complex language, intelligence, emotion, and free will as setting us apart from the rest of the world. And of course we were "created in God's image" if you subscribe to many religions' beliefs.....so if an alien were to arrive on the planet and exhibit the same features that separate us from the world, I believe that would present a little conundrum for the religious world. The "religious world" is something like 90% or more of the world's population, is it not?

On the evolution thing, we've had way too many evolution discussions that deal with the exact same thing you have stated. I recommend a search so as to not pollute this thread with evolution discussions. :yes:

As for the Adam and Eve thing.....well I personally believe the Bible is just a collection of stories written by humans to illustrate principles. I give it no more credibility of being non-fiction than I give any other books that are filled with fact and fiction alike. Just because a story in the Bible makes reference to a historic event that is widely accepted as true makes it no more of a true story than that of the movie Titanic. The Bible is the "Boy Who Cried Wolf." It tells an interesting story that illustrates an important principle that should be followed throughout your life. And many similar events have taken place throughout history, but it is not a 100% accurate recount of history as it took place....it's just a story to show a principle.

And I know I'm not alone in this belief. In fact I know that many Catholics believe the same thing. My mother went to a Catholic college way back in the day and on the first day of her theology class, the professor actually stated pretty much the same thing. He said "if you believe Adam and Eve were real people and that we're their descendents, you're an idiot." Or so my mother claims he said..... :)

b

[GT40FIED]

Well...I just think the rest of the world is a lot more....shall we say...esoteric than we are. I don't think they're so fastidious and stubborn when it comes to things that they don't quite understand. I wasn't by any means trying to dredge up an evolutionary debate again like that nightmare we had a few months ago...just making a point. I couldn't agree with you more about the bible as a way of conveying parables...but many people would question whether it mentions aliens. There are pieces of it that some have interpreted as ancient descriptions of alien sightings (like a "fiery chariot in the sky" or crap like that). You've got to remember that a lot of people 2,000 years ago explained away unexplainable things through religion and symbolism.

[spoogenet]

Oh I meant my comments on evolution for thermalfi'd16.....

I think many parts of the world are definitely more open to explanations on things that are unknown to them, however I think many of them are just as bad if not "worse" then we are.

For fiery chariots I think it's simple human nature to try to understand everything. I believe religion was born for 2 very basic related reasons. 1 being that people like answers to questions, especially ones they cannot answer themselves. Often people fear the unknown, religion provides relief from that fear. 2 being that someone with answers is seen naturally as a leader, an element of control in the chaos of the unknown. People like leaders and guidance, something that religion provides.

Religion still serves the same purposes today.

b

[thermal]

On the evolution thing, we've had way too many evolution discussions that deal with the exact same thing you have stated. I recommend a search so as to not pollute this thread with evolution discussions
Sorry man. I missed that thread. I must've been deployed overseas when that subject was discussed.

The only reason I brought up "evolution" is because of the Adam and Eve side note. but i know what you mean, it's like talking about altezza lights over and over again......:rolleyes:

[spoogenet]

Originally posted by thermalfi'd16
"evolution"...it's like talking about altezza lights over and over again......:rolleyes:

LMAO that's just too funny.

b