Grr honda haters

[sc0rch]

I dont understand.......why do people bash imports so much?I know thanks to a bunch of IDIOTS who have done some realy stupid shit to there cars EVERYONE now gets a bad name cause they have a bodykit or something.....but
why i really dont understand is why when someone is bashing honda they compair it with a v6 or v8......especially when they say "i'll take a camaro over any 6 cylender any day"......why? why would you want a camaro over a twin turbo supra? Not only are camaros ugly but there not that damn fast.....i just dont get the mentality...or the logic behind "my 2.8ltr will smoke your honda" yeah maybe but YOU HAVE 2 MORE PISTONS THAN ME......on and the chevy wanna be compact cavalier.....is CRAP anyway......my friend has a 97 integra something and he has dusted my other friends 3.1(maybe) cavalier z24....and i have outran a stock 4 banger cavalier.....and didnt even know why he was trying to race me.......then they have there defence by saying "domestic cars arent the only cars that have problems and recalls" yeah but they have alot more problems.....like dash and interior falling appart......imports on average last longer and need less matinence during there life.......plus they tend to hold better value......

a cavalie or neon same year with same miles as my civic is gonna go for half the price........because they are less reliable and are pretty much crap..........go to www.autotrader.com and look some cars up and compair.......even mustangs "top of the line ford" go cheeper than say and Integra GSR or Prelude.....

then there is the comparison between a corvette and an NSX or supra.......WTF? v8 vs v6....hmmmmmmm.........again i dont understand...yeah the NSX might cost more......but it will last longer and i believe in a test between the 2 a few years ago in car and driver the NSX won in all catagories except 0-60 they say an NSX doesnt even get broken in till 110k miles......so whats the deal




also....when they compair dodge neons to hondas.........now a PROFESSIONAL car driver/reviewer and testerouter(lol) has even said that the NEW TURBO neon still isnt a japanese made car......so whats that say........

I dont bash american cars.......i just dont like very many....i like the Stratus SXT and Ram trucks,s-10,viper and avenger.....but to me most all american cars look the same......and they have all there companies like dodge and plymoth.....same company and they make the same car with a different name......most american companies do that too......but honda has a Civic and an integra.....totally different cars.......you know what i meen though.........


oh and another funny thing........when someone says dodge is better than Mitsubishi............they either have no idea what there talking about or are joking.....since mistubishi engines are in dodge cars.......I knwo the avenger had a mitsu engine cause my mom had one......the stealth,talon,lazer,stratus(i think) and i believe the dealer told me that the new turbo neon has one too..........soooooooooooooooooooooooooo again i say WTF?


anyway i was reading some anti import sites and most of those people are completely Retarded and should be drug out into the street and beat with a large saussage link

[ebpda9]

what can you do ? some of them are plain retarded. even on this board i saw "well my import has over a 100hp/liter" is not a valid argument but if "ford makes 300hp out of the 355 and chevy makes 250hm out of the 340" (not actual numbers) but i have seen it. also it's like us to clasiffy the camaro and mustang drivers have mullets and drink bud light all day long. ;) i just let them be because i like my honda and i really don't give a damn about what others are thinking.

[Mirkwo0dForest]

same here, they have no taste...:ricer:

[Racing Rice]

I think a lot of it has to do with ignorance.. The other.. Pride maybe.. I dunno.

I love the arguement.. I support america, I wont support that Japanese crap, Id rather pay americans.

How many Japanese automakers have plants in the states? :o

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by Racing Rice
I think a lot of it has to do with ignorance.. The other.. Pride maybe.. I dunno.

I love the arguement.. I support america, I wont support that Japanese crap, Id rather pay americans.

How many Japanese automakers have plants in the states? :o


i know honda is one of the 3 big american car makers :yes: next to gm and ford. and how many american car makers have plants outside the borders ???

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
i know honda is one of the 3 big american car makers :yes: next to gm and ford. and how many american car makers have plants outside the borders ???

Exactly!:yes:

[CD5Passion]

I know a guy at school who used to do nothing but crack on my honda saying how slow and crappy it was, first of all he has the most ghetto mustang 5.0 I've ever seen not to mention the HUGE hood...but a few weeks ago they were doing burn outs in a parking lot and he turned to me and said "lemme see what your ricer can do..spin em", so I decided hey why not
Well I was expecting a face like, "what the hell..is that it?", but I instead got a "...nice" sorta face...
Well he was impressed by the FWD burnout and I haven't heard sh!t from him since.
Later on I had pulled up next to him driving and we raced, suprise to both of us he didn't completely smoke me like he thought he would I stayed infront till 3rd gear then fell back to his rear quarter panel the rest of the way
So why do these domestic lovers rip on us?....has to be pride and ignorance

[blind34_1]

They compare their cars to our cars without realizing their in a whole different class. We are 4 bangers they are v8s and crap. I dont car if your camaro is going to smoke my honda. Thats like a Drag car driver going over to a v8 camaro driver and saying I'll eat your car for breakfast.

I say domestic muscle makes impressive power, but their quality control is next to none. I'll take an import and modify it and have a quick, high quality, reliable ride.

[pdiggitydogg]

its because theyre all dipshits and have nothing better to do...trust me I live in an area that has more domestics than any of you (I can probably proove it too) so I hear it on a daily basis. You just have to flick em off and get on with life. If they want to be stupid, let em be stupid.

dont let it get ya down, dude.

[JamieS697]

^ i feel ya knockin:yes:

[pdiggitydogg]

damn this "domestic detroit" "motor city" crap eh jamie

[keystone]

I like my Honda, it was built in the USA, so i support american workers.

[Spazum888]

well if you think about it... the chevys of the 70's are honds of today. agreed chevys had twice the engien as a honda, but hondas have alot more style then a chevy, they are alot more easier to work with.

[sc0rch]

and dont comsume half the gas...

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
i know honda is one of the 3 big american car makers :yes: next to gm and ford. and how many american car makers have plants outside the borders ???

Actually, numerous car companies have plants all over the world. Ford has plants in Canada, Mexico, Europe, and is planning a new plant in China. As for bashing imports...it's not as old as Ford vs. Chevy, but it's basically the same. Face it...most Americans think bigger is better. Big engines with big power will always win over the minds of people versus small cars with small engines. You've also got to admit that there are a lot more tacky imports/compacts running around with gigantic wings (Geo Storms and mazda 626s with 10" pedestal spoliers) than there are domestics with horribly tacky body kits. As for the value of these cars used...here's how that works. First of all, Honda, Nissans, Toyotas, etc. are hardly more reliable than any given American counterpart. The problem is word of mouth. You pay close to (or over) $30K for your brand new Camaro SS (not now...but in the past few years) and it has a problem after you flog it for 10K miles you're gonna go and run you moronic mouth off to anyone who'll listen about how you paid so much for a car that had a problem (and you neglect to mention how you raped it like an alter boy) with your $30K car. But you buy a Civic for around or under $20K and have a problem with it you just say "hey...it's was $20K, what can you expect?" and keep your mouth shut. People in this country also expect better quality from "made in America" crap than other products. The issue itself is not actual reliability but percieved reliability. If Hondas didn't break down they'd go out of business since that's where the real money is. Henry Ford said that he'd give cars away for free if he could have a monopoly on repairs and replacement parts. Plus most non-exotic companies use the least expensive parts possible while still achieving a certain reliability level. This can be a problem with domestics since they usually make considerably more power than imports. With power comes engine stress which can result in issues if the proper parts are not employed. It all comes down to the fact that something is only worth as much as someone will pay for it. I had a friend who paid $9K for a bone stock '87 Monte Carlo Aerocoupe with 3X,000 miles. NINE F*CKING GRAND. I paid $6K for my car with 36K miles and several mods. There are fewer of my car and it goes faster and I paid $3K less. If some dickless retard wants to pay twice as much for a GSR then let him. I love it when people buy on a name alone and go slower for more money. But like Blind34_1 said, putting most imports and domestics in the same class is ridiculous. They have 2 different purposes for the most part. Honestly, I like a lot of imports...a lot of them have a ton of potential...I just think there's more creativity in domestics than technology. That's the strong point of imports...technology. Even with all of the technology in the world it won't help if your car looks like it was made for driving your kids around. And let's not kid ourselves...if each of us had a million bucks that we didn't need to buy a car, we'd all be driving Ferraris or Lambos or whatever...not Hondas or Fords or whatever. You settle for what you can afford. So ***** all you want about domestic owners bashing imports, but you just wrote an entire post that basically did just that but in reverse. You bashed domestic owners and their cars. Damn I hate hypocrits...especially uninformed ones.

[Wren57]

^righton, brothaman!:yes:

be a car enthusiast, not a import or domestic enthusiast

I for one think its just as badass to see a camaro ss run 11s (although its not difficult for them) as it is to see a honda civic run 11s. I don't give any more credit to the civic for running the same speed, but treat both equally.

I cant wait for people to flame me for the last sentence above. Understand people, how can you have equality through inequality? Example: affirmitive action...

[ebpda9]

ford50for life i'm not gonna quote you for what you said because that will leave me with very few characters to write ;). i wasn't reffering to all domestics and domestic drivers like it seemed. I was talking about the select few that think all imports are crap. Plus an 11 second car does not turn me on one bit. i'm sure that is very fast but i prefer cars that handle good with a good suspension, and the car doesn't feel dead to the road (corvette, WS6 and list goes on) Also i don't want a car with a good suspension that feels fun to drive and handles good but does not have the engine to use the suspension to it's full potential ( my car). i guesss it all comes to a matter of prefference on which car to choose. i'd take a awd over a fwd or a rwd any day without thinking too much about it.

[HndaTch627]

domestic drivers have no respect for imports until you hand their ass to them. even then they'll say you were spraying or cheating. the car i built ran 12.1 @ 115, there were only 2 domestics NEAR those times at the track that day. boht of them could not accept the fact that a turbo charged 4 cylinder AWD car was faster then them, both said he was spraying to other people even though the end of the nitrous like was closed of with a cap. funny eh?? people are so close minded, i love all cars, not just foreign or domestic, i just happen to like Japanese cars because you can BEAT THE SNOT out of them and they will take it. I hate how people can't accept that there is a FASTER car then you out there. Nice rant by the way.

Jeremy

[member]

kids(less powerful)= civics, protege, ect
adults(powerful)= gt-r, viper, ect

it's like an adult fighting a kid...

[Civickid0to60]

you would think that they would know. As a matter a fact, just yesterday Honda Racing beat the all time fastest speed record at the Indiannapolis race track running 231 mph. So now the redneck domestic owners know that hondas are decent. I agree with you man, domestics do look the same, and they are crap. So it seems in my opinion is that a driver's attitude is portrayed by his/her car. Import drivers are always striving to be orginal by making their car different, and making it look like their own....like an artist. Domestics are ok with how things are and just want to get a car like a v6 or v8 to say they have it. Oh well things will never change.

[Civickid0to60]

Originally posted by member
kids(less powerful)= civics, protege, ect
adults(powerful)= gt-r, viper, ect

it's like an adult fighting a kid...

actually..................... why dont you get kazaa.... www.kazaa.com and search for illegal street racing i think you will be suprised at how many videos there are of civics beating vipers. PEACE!

[ebpda9]

sorry it was gt40fied not ford50forlife. my bad :o

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by Civickid0to60
Import drivers are always striving to be orginal by making their car different, and making it look like their own....like an artist. Domestics are ok with how things are and just want to get a car like a v6 or v8 to say they have it. Oh well things will never change.

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that. You're talking about people who own the cars that INVENTED hot rodding. You wanna slap a body kit, wing, set of wheels, and some gay graphics on a car and call it art? Are you out of your f*cking mind? How about chopping a top or laying a windshield back 10 degrees? Or maybe shaving door handles and frenching the fuel tank door? You're talking about piddly little bolt ons and bashing people who practically reinvent their cars. You just keep thinking that all domestics look the same...it only goes to show a lack of taste and style that has wrongfully given the import scene a bad name. So just keep yourself convinced your terminator wing and BBS wheels are "art". What a jackass.

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
You've also got to admit that there are a lot more tacky imports/compacts running around with gigantic wings (Geo Storms and mazda 626s with 10" pedestal spoliers) than there are domestics with horribly tacky body kits.

That brings up another point...Domestics aren't unique at all.

Some import tuners jsut choose to be unique in a, well....tacky way:no:

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
I'm going to pretend I didn't read that. You're talking about people who own the cars that INVENTED hot rodding. You wanna slap a body kit, wing, set of wheels, and some gay graphics on a car and call it art? Are you out of your f*cking mind? How about chopping a top or laying a windshield back 10 degrees? Or maybe shaving door handles and frenching the fuel tank door? You're talking about piddly little bolt ons and bashing people who practically reinvent their cars. You just keep thinking that all domestics look the same...it only goes to show a lack of taste and style that has wrongfully given the import scene a bad name. So just keep yourself convinced your terminator wing and BBS wheels are "art". What a jackass.

What domestic owners do all that fancy frechy, shaving shit to their cars? NONE! you see imports doing that....not domestics.

[Wren57]

imports making their cars original, are you insane? do you not realize there is a ricey import on every street corner of every city in this great country? it is a rarity to see a modded z28/ss/cobra around here, but ricecakes are a dime a dozen. as far as the car being art? well if thats your thing, enjoy it, but dont bash people with cars that have function and claim your "art" crap to be special. as for the lame "well there are vids of civics beating vipers" crap, well doh. get it through your head, ANY car can be made fast with enough money. the reason you dont see vids of vipers beating civics is because that is expected, and happens that was 99.9% of the time, and its only special when a civic beats the viper. I, of course, would still rather take the viper... mmm sexy...:yes: enjoy the life of ignorance civickid0to60, hope you are having fun in dreamland...

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by highlander
imports making their cars original, are you insane? do you not realize there is a ricey import on every street corner of every city in this great country? it is a rarity to see a modded z28/ss/cobra around here, but ricecakes are a dime a dozen. as far as the car being art? well if thats your thing, enjoy it, but dont bash people with cars that have function and claim your "art" crap to be special. as for the lame "well there are vids of civics beating vipers" crap, well doh. get it through your head, ANY car can be made fast with enough money. the reason you dont see vids of vipers beating civics is because that is expected, and happens that was 99.9% of the time, and its only special when a civic beats the viper. I, of course, would still rather take the viper... mmm sexy...:yes: enjoy the life of ignorance civickid0to60, hope you are having fun in dreamland...

yea, to you it might be ricey....but you see a stock mustang on every corner of this great country too....atleast the ricey ones are unique...even if IT IS ricey....thought i'd throw that out there;)

[Wren57]

stock mustang is one thing... they are not TRYING to be something they aren't, hence they arent rice and you cant talk shit abt them because they arent trying... you make fun of ford trucks on every corner? no, because they dont have flames, fart cans and 45lb spoilers... if someone wants to mod their car to make it "art" aka "rice", go for it, and I hope you enjoy doing it, all Im saying is don't bash an 11second .98g z28 for what it is because you think your 17second .83g car is all that because you paid less for it and get better gas mileage:rolleyes:

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by highlander
stock mustang is one thing... they are not TRYING to be something they aren't, hence they arent rice and you cant talk shit abt them because they arent trying... you make fun of ford trucks on every corner? no, because they dont have flames, fart cans and 45lb spoilers... if someone wants to mod their car to make it "art" aka "rice", go for it, and I hope you enjoy doing it, all Im saying is don't bash an 11second .98g z28 for what it is because you think your 17second .83g car is all that because you paid less for it and get better gas mileage:rolleyes:

I'm refering to the "Trendy" honda owner comment.

yea, they paid for that power from the factory...they don't know how to fricken tune a car, all they do is press the gas pedal, and of course i'm making a stereotype of all domestic owners that they don't know anything about the actual car itself...but ya know what...usually thats the case with domestic owners (note: usualy)
if you have a honda that doesn a 10 second quarter mile, and a domestic that does an 10 sec quarter mile, i'd respect the honda owner WAY more, cause he had to know how to tune his car....sure, i could go out with all the money i spent on my car and buy a used muscle car...but that'd be missing the whole point of being an import tuner....or a tuner AT ALL, even if its tuning a domestic....it jsut pisses me off when peepss go out and buy a stang, and come along with their stock v8 GT and kick a hondas ass, then say haha, i'm faster....yea, you are, but you bought that power(if you know what i mean) so fuk you.

W0o0o0, vented.

;)

[Wren57]

heh, I love this argument as well. haha oh no, they paid for their power... guess your turbo kits are free:rolleyes: ... why respect the honda owner more than the ss owner for achieving the same goal? because it WAS NOT MEANT TO DRAG RACE... ok so they bought a v8 and its faster than your i4, and that makes them haters? I would hope it would be faster than your i4, unless modded nicely. you cant hate on a v8 for being faster from the factory, thats lame. thats like me making fun of a ferrari because it comes stock with lots of power, and that isnt cool... please:rolleyes: ... a 350z is NOT made to drag race, nor is a civic. Am I going to try anyways, yeah sure I am, but Im not going to pretend i have some beast of a car that I dont, and Im not going to hate on ANYONE that is faster than me. If a 1977 plymouth van outruns me, I will be the FIRST person to shake his hand and shoot the shit with him... peace

[Wren57]

oh yeah... do YOU tune your car, install everything and adjust the ecu mapping or do you pay someone else to? and if you pay someone else at a "speed"shop to do it, how is this different from paying ford/chevy to do the same thing on the front end?

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by highlander
heh, I love this argument as well. haha oh no, they paid for their power... guess your turbo kits are free:rolleyes: ... why respect the honda owner more than the ss owner for achieving the same goal? because it WAS NOT MEANT TO DRAG RACE... ok so they bought a v8 and its faster than your i4, and that makes them haters? I would hope it would be faster than your i4, unless modded nicely. you cant hate on a v8 for being faster from the factory, thats lame. thats like me making fun of a ferrari because it comes stock with lots of power, and that isnt cool... please:rolleyes: ... a 350z is NOT made to drag race, nor is a civic. Am I going to try anyways, yeah sure I am, but Im not going to pretend i have some beast of a car that I dont, and Im not going to hate on ANYONE that is faster than me. If a 1977 plymouth van outruns me, I will be the FIRST person to shake his hand and shoot the shit with him... peace

oh but highlander...you do have a beast of a car... lol:yes:

i jsut hate it when some domestic owners hate on hondas cause we're not fast, and by them saying that, they missed the whole point of import tuning. yea, you can go buy a stock fast stang, but its about the car, and having knowledge about it and tuning it is what is really impressive and i honor people who do that, even if its a civic...if you got a civic, then you must be in it for the tuning and not the power...lol

[Wren57]

ok, we are finding common ground... heh
if you tune yourself, install parts yourself, thats cool and I respect that
if you take 3g's to a shop and ask for a custom turbo with fuel remapping and all that crap, then thats just lame to call that tuning...
tuning anything yourself is fun. hell, I love messing with my lawn-mowers timing;) ...

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by highlander
oh yeah... do YOU tune your car, install everything and adjust the ecu mapping or do you pay someone else to? and if you pay someone else at a "speed"shop to do it, how is this different from paying ford/chevy to do the same thing on the front end?

yea, i am 16, got my car 10 months ago, and bought mods as i earned money, mostely bolt ons, and i put them on myself...i am learning about the electronics part of it, i'm even in an auto mechanics class, and auto tech class too. i'm learning <--key phrase....i'm not going and buying a fast stock car. too easy, and no fun....and its a lot of money....tuning will be a lot of money in the long run...but i'm in it for the long haul...i luv imports, and tuning them...its good clean fun.

BTW: i have no problem with a tuned domestic....and really i have no problem with a fast domestic....but if the owner is a fuking cocky ass prepy *****, thats when i get pissed at domestic owners (get me?)

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by highlander
ok, we are finding common ground... heh
if you tune yourself, install parts yourself, thats cool and I respect that
if you take 3g's to a shop and ask for a custom turbo with fuel remapping and all that crap, then thats just lame to call that tuning...
tuning anything yourself is fun. hell, I love messing with my lawn-mowers timing;) ...

haha, hell yea...never thought of that, that'd be savage tho...hehe

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by OPAKRACING
What domestic owners do all that fancy frechy, shaving shit to their cars? NONE! you see imports doing that....not domestics.

Are you f*cking daft? Next time you see a '32 Ford coupe at a car show just ignore all of the custom bodywork. I guess I'll just have to ignore the word of a 16 year old dipshit. You've been driving for...what...less than a year? But you're an expert, right? Sure, I could buy an '03 Cobra and have 390 factory hp...but if I mod it then I could easily have 500hp for about $1K more. Exactly how much money would you need to make that kind of power? Import drivers aren't the only ones who tune their cars. Domestics guys do it to and make a shitload more power. You know what...I don't even know why I took time to respond to a post made by a kid so ass backwards he was asking about buying candy he thought would get him high. There may be a stock Mustang on the corner of every street, but maybe that's because they're popular cars. At least the people who bought them had the sense to leave their styling alone and didn't feel that it was so shitty that it needed a huge pedestal spoiler and tacky body kit to look good. That's the beauty of domestic cars...you don't need to buy a car and spend another thousand dollars just to make it look good or go fast. That's what cookie-cutter imports and compacts are for. So go ahead and entertain whatever delusion you have that your car is an original just know that in the long run you have truely made an ass out of yourself.

[member]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
At least the people who bought them had the sense to leave their styling alone and didn't feel that it was so shitty that it needed a huge pedestal spoiler and tacky body kit to look good. That's the beauty of domestic cars...you don't need to buy a car and spend another thousand dollars just to make it look good or go fast. That's what cookie-cutter imports and compacts are for.

but that's just their style...

not every "american" domestic drivers leaves their body alone and now every "japanese" import drivers attach huge spoilers.

personally, i'm not a fan of american muscle cars. the only car that looks good is the viper, that's about it. but then again, that's just my opinion.

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
...at a car show...

thats right...at a car show, you don't see any of that shit on the street. the only ones you RARELY see on the street are the old yuppies that own classic cars...not a punk kid in a new stang that wan'ts to race and and only knows how to step on the gas pedal.

dipshit.

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Are you f*cking daft? Next time you see a '32 Ford coupe at a car show just ignore all of the custom bodywork. I guess I'll just have to ignore the word of a 16 year old dipshit. You've been driving for...what...less than a year? But you're an expert, right? Sure, I could buy an '03 Cobra and have 390 factory hp...but if I mod it then I could easily have 500hp for about $1K more. Exactly how much money would you need to make that kind of power? Import drivers aren't the only ones who tune their cars. Domestics guys do it to and make a shitload more power. You know what...I don't even know why I took time to respond to a post made by a kid so ass backwards he was asking about buying candy he thought would get him high. There may be a stock Mustang on the corner of every street, but maybe that's because they're popular cars. At least the people who bought them had the sense to leave their styling alone and didn't feel that it was so shitty that it needed a huge pedestal spoiler and tacky body kit to look good. That's the beauty of domestic cars...you don't need to buy a car and spend another thousand dollars just to make it look good or go fast. That's what cookie-cutter imports and compacts are for. So go ahead and entertain whatever delusion you have that your car is an original just know that in the long run you have truely made an ass out of yourself.

ROFL! ther are so many opinions in this post....lol....and it is a fact, that there are more people who tune imports than people who tune domestics (when i say domestics, i mean 1995+ domestics)(new) and if oyu wanna give shit for us being unique, and not careing so much about power then go ahead, its illogical.

I said in previous posts i respect anyone that tunes their car themselves, be it a domestic or an import...even if it was just putting on the bolt ons yourself.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by OPAKRACING
ROFL! ther are so many opinions in this post....lol....and it is a fact, that there are more people who tune imports than people who tune domestics (when i say domestics, i mean 1995+ domestics)(new) and if oyu wanna give shit for us being unique, and not careing so much about power then go ahead, its illogical.

I said in previous posts i respect anyone that tunes their car themselves, be it a domestic or an import...even if it was just putting on the bolt ons yourself.

I think you've got tunnel vision. If by "tuning" you mean adding an insanely and unnecessarily large exhaust pipe and some body parts then you're probably right...there are more import "tuners". But the domestic enthusiast following is immeasurably larger. And by that I mean people who make REAL mods to their cars. It also seems a bit suspicious that you'd limit your commentary to cars made after '95. Any reason why? Does that mean that my '84 GT that'll put a few bus lengths on just about any street driven import doesn't count cuz it's too old? I'm not giving you shit for being unique...I'm giving you shit for following a trend. The idea of being unique is rooted firmly in the principal that you have something that no one else has. As far as I can see I see very few "tuned" imports that look different. When I say big wings and body kits I don't mean to generalize or stereotype because I know a lot of guys aren't into that...it's just the easiest and tackiest thing to pick out. I suppose any addition to set your car apart is worthy...but does it really matter if that addition is made in bad taste? I also know that taste is intangible and relevent but I think there's a general concensus on what's good and bad. So if you want to cram over 100 years of automobile history out of the way and focus on the last 8 then go ahead but you're ignoring all of the cars that came before and made your hobby and your "unique" car possible. As for cars at shows vs. the street...stop spliting f*cking hairs. The fact is that they're out there and people are building them and they aren't imports. Keep throwing that word unique around...fact is that your car was never meant to be anything but a grocery getter and is turned out en masse for the general public who wants basic transportation. So tomorrow when you head to school give a nod to the 10 other Civic drivers and encourage them to think of themselves as unique...by your definition I'm sure they are.

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
I think you've got tunnel vision. If by "tuning" you mean adding an insanely and unecessarily large exhaust pipe and some body parts then you're probably right...there are more import "tuners". But the domestic enthusiast following is immeasurably larger. And by that I mean people who make REAL mods to their cars. It also seems a bit suspicious that you'd limit your commentary to cars made after '95. Any reason why? Does that mean that my '84 GT that'll put a few bus lengths on just about any street driven import doesn't count cuz it's too old? I'm not giving you shit for being unique...I'm giving you shit for following a trend. The idea of being unique is rooted firmly in the principal that you have something that no one else has. As far as I can see I see very few "tuned" imports that look different. When I say big wings and body kits I don't mean to generalize or stereotype because I know a lot of guys aren't into that...it's just the easiest and tackiest thing to pick out. I suppose any addition to set your car apart is worthy...but does it really matter if that addition is made in bad taste? I also know that taste is intangible and relevent but I think there's a general concensus on what's good and bad. So if you want to cram over 100 years of automobile history out of the way and focus on the last 8 then go ahead but you're ignoring all of the cars that came before and made your hobby and your "unique" car possible. As for cars at shows vs. the street...stop spliting f*cking hairs. The fact is that they're out there and people are building them and the aren't imports. Keep throwing that word unique around...fact is that your car was never meant to be anything but a grocery getter and is turned out en masse for the general public who wants basic transportation. So tomorrow when you head to school give a nod to the 10 other Civic drivers and encourage them to think of themselves as unique...by your definition I'm sure they are.

I try, for myself, to get a healthy mix of it...as you can see by my car pics, i didn't do too much body work...only rims and a spoiler, and i'm gunna do type R lips and a grille. W eobviousely don't agree on this subject, and prolly never will. I said 1995 and up, is cause people that have the older domestics, tend to tune them....like older chevelles and GTO's and stangs, but the new ones peeps just buy from the factory, and race around.

['87 integra]

you guys fight to much....its about the cars...its about what you like and the work you like to do to the cars....who cares what other people think??..i dont....cause i like the imports....there are a few domestics that are okay..but most i dont like....but i dont give them shit...if they tune their car and have fun and like there car for what it is, so be it, if not, dont give me shit about my car, just cause you dont like, personally i dont care what you think, or anyone else...its about me and my car...thats it

[HndaTch627]

whoa!!! now this is a flamewar....i have to say GT40 is correct though, the muscle car guys were the first with suicide doors and shaved door handles. shitty drivers and love for their cars keeps them from romping the streets more often.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by OPAKRACING
I said 1995 and up, is cause people that have the older domestics, tend to tune them....like older chevelles and GTO's and stangs, but the new ones peeps just buy from the factory, and race around.

Finally...something we can agree on. Old school muscle cars are usually modded because...well...it's easy. No ECU to mess with, no VVT, no bells or whistles. Just a big engine and a lot of power. I think that's what keeps a lot of people out there from tearing into newer cars. Even kids in the imports crowd I think are intimidated by all of the technology which results in the improper stereotype that they're all about canister mufflers and cold air intakes and that's it. Domestic guys are guilty of the same thing. I wouldn't look forward to tearing into a 4.6L DOHC motor for a stroker kit or new cams...too much shit to screw up easily. Also, if there are kids (under 18) out there that own newer cars that are factory fast then they probably didn't buy it themselves and you should slash their tires.

[Racing Rice]

Man GT40,

I dont know about you, but Id rather see kids driving civics then V8s. Because lets be honest, most of the kids these days cant handle real power. :no: They are to irresponsible. I guess I would think of tuning imports as a stepping stone for most kids. They see how much fun it is to mod civics, etc. Then as they get more into it they realize the difference in displacement, and how much more potential they have.

I think its a great thing. Because whether you drive an import or a domestic, we all have one thing in common.. The love for cars.:)

[nonovurbizniz]

Originally posted by Racing Rice
Man GT40,

I dont know about you, but Id rather see kids driving civics then V8s. Because lets be honest, most of the kids these days cant handle real power. :no: They are to irresponsible. I guess I would think of tuning imports as a stepping stone for most kids. They see how much fun it is to mod civics, etc. Then as they get more into it they realize the difference in displacement, and how much more potential they have.

I think its a great thing. Because whether you drive an import or a domestic, we all have one thing in common.. The love for cars.:)

dido...

gt40 IS right.... opak once again you've bitten off more than you can chew...

even if you ONLY included 80+ cars there are WAY more people messing with domestic than american... and don't forget the the "import" market TOTALLY includes:

Eagle talons plymouth lasers (ya I know they're dsm's making them essentially rebadged mitsu's)

Ford Focus (one of the largest aftermarket support vehicles out... try finding a v8 swap for your civic + it moves to rwd)

Dodge Neon THEY OWN YOU at auto-x and at the drag strip for the money you'll have a MUCH faster "tuner" car if you dumped the money people throw at honda/acura's into a neon (sure it'll be ugly still but... form or function?).

As sad as it is the Cavalier has a HUGE following as well I see TONS of modded cav's driving around

PLUS.... Pontiac (any pontiac will own you they rock), Buick (stock super chargers available) Olds (ok NO ONE tunes oldsmobiles anymore but they're FAST stock cars and DIRT cheap) Saturn (HUGE MARKET and typically own civics with the same money dumped in)

and ALL of this goes without including the ford mustang following....

And if you think that 95+ mustangs go unmodded your retarded... there are SO many more parts. better build and design quality... and on top of it all THEY ARE CHEAPER.. a set of eagle rods for my 1.6 will cost upwards of 375... 8 bigger stronger rods with pistons, pins and wrings could be had for 450-500 for a 350, 302, 351, 400,

My buddy had his 70' 400 block FULLY rebuilt with ALL forged bottom end components, a new valve train including stainless valves for under 1000 bucks.

a similar set up plus having a place do that would cost me like 2-5k and i'd still need to get it sleeved.

Domestic guys hate on honda's because for the most part it's just some kid who thinks he has a fast car trying to make him waste his gas to show the kid what a slow pile of dogcrap he has.

Do you have ANY idea how many times a year some dude just chilling driving his mustang (modded or not) gets revved on by some dumbass in a civic that has i/h/e... it's just dumb and it makes EVERYONE who drives a civic look dumb.

civics are cool.... LOOKING that's it... till it's boosted to the hilt it's slow... once it is boosted to the hilt... it's overpowered for the chassis.

the "quickest" civic you could hope for to drive on the street SAFELY without TONS of drivability issues would be like 240 whp and even then you'd have TONS of traction loss.

I know a kid who had a 38k del sol... it's totally undrivable... he got tired of it sold it and got a mustang...

[Daviso27]

I feel that most Import Haters are White Boys ages 16-29...

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by Daviso27
I feel that most Import Haters are White Boys ages 16-29...


That sounds like an educated guess..:rolleyes:

Actually a lot of the older hot rod guys dont care to much for imports.. :no: Because of the "ricers" that rev on them every time they see them.:rolleyes:

[guywithastang]

I like any car that looks better or is faster than its stock counterpart

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Also, if there are kids (under 18) out there that own newer cars that are factory fast then they probably didn't buy it themselves and you should slash their tires.


Lol :yes:

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by Daviso27
I feel that most Import Haters are White Boys ages 16-29...

:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

Dude, exactely.

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
dido...

gt40 IS right.... opak once again you've bitten off more than you can chew...

even if you ONLY included 80+ cars there are WAY more people messing with domestic than american... and don't forget the the "import" market TOTALLY includes:

Eagle talons plymouth lasers (ya I know they're dsm's making them essentially rebadged mitsu's)

Ford Focus (one of the largest aftermarket support vehicles out... try finding a v8 swap for your civic + it moves to rwd)

Dodge Neon THEY OWN YOU at auto-x and at the drag strip for the money you'll have a MUCH faster "tuner" car if you dumped the money people throw at honda/acura's into a neon (sure it'll be ugly still but... form or function?).

As sad as it is the Cavalier has a HUGE following as well I see TONS of modded cav's driving around

PLUS.... Pontiac (any pontiac will own you they rock), Buick (stock super chargers available) Olds (ok NO ONE tunes oldsmobiles anymore but they're FAST stock cars and DIRT cheap) Saturn (HUGE MARKET and typically own civics with the same money dumped in)

and ALL of this goes without including the ford mustang following....

And if you think that 95+ mustangs go unmodded your retarded... there are SO many more parts. better build and design quality... and on top of it all THEY ARE CHEAPER.. a set of eagle rods for my 1.6 will cost upwards of 375... 8 bigger stronger rods with pistons, pins and wrings could be had for 450-500 for a 350, 302, 351, 400,

My buddy had his 70' 400 block FULLY rebuilt with ALL forged bottom end components, a new valve train including stainless valves for under 1000 bucks.

a similar set up plus having a place do that would cost me like 2-5k and i'd still need to get it sleeved.

Domestic guys hate on honda's because for the most part it's just some kid who thinks he has a fast car trying to make him waste his gas to show the kid what a slow pile of dogcrap he has.

Do you have ANY idea how many times a year some dude just chilling driving his mustang (modded or not) gets revved on by some dumbass in a civic that has i/h/e... it's just dumb and it makes EVERYONE who drives a civic look dumb.

civics are cool.... LOOKING that's it... till it's boosted to the hilt it's slow... once it is boosted to the hilt... it's overpowered for the chassis.

the "quickest" civic you could hope for to drive on the street SAFELY without TONS of drivability issues would be like 240 whp and even then you'd have TONS of traction loss.

I know a kid who had a 38k del sol... it's totally undrivable... he got tired of it sold it and got a mustang...

Dude, i bit off more than i can chew cause of expressing my opinions and then backing them up................? I guess its jsut where i lvie that people JUST DON"T tune domestics....i see a lot of punkass kids shmobing aroiund in there stock stang, and claiming kills on imports when really, they don't get the reason for tuning an import. Cause if your tuning a civic, its obviousely not cause their all that fast...i tune my civic, cause it looks bad ass, its quick, and its light....alls it needs is a b18c swap....and most tuners arent' willing to go that far.

[nonovurbizniz]

Oh I'm so pissed... I just wrote like 2 pages and hit escape...

anyway.

domestic owners "hate" on honda's because they get constantly harrased by them for NO reason... they're slow they do NOT compete in ANY way.

Mod your car all you want... they're just trying to let you know that for all the money your spending you could have a MUCH faster better car for LESS money.

And that you bother the crap out of them thinking you could even have a CHANCE running against them...

Ask a domestic guy what he thinks of a mitsu eclipse gsx or a vr4... almost everyone of them (who've ever been in one) are like "now usually those import kids are stupid... but that car is FAST".

because it is.

the reason they say most hondas are slow econo boxes....

BECAUSE THEY ARE


And if you think that most import haters are 18-25 white boys you haven't been looking in the driver seat of those import "tuner" cars.

A. I don't think color has ANYTHING to do with it...
B. 16-25 year olds are the ones buying and driving imports... ya sure some of them have the presence of mind to pick a car that actually has potential.
C. People who KNOW cars rag on honda's because they're funny.

I laugh out loud 7 out of 10 times I drive by another honda... especially the "tuned" ones.

course there is NO side-stepping the fact that the saleen wing is the father of ALL gay wings... that thing is so fugly it should be against the law (functional or not). and if I had a penny for every dumbass cowl or other wise ported hood on a mustang I'd have enough money to make a honda that is fast.

If you want to break down the import/domestic thing it's much easier (although only a little more accurate)
Domestic= meat-head anti-pot yet still pro-beer, working class shclub.
Import= retarded spoiled ass rich white boy with no and I mean NO knowledge of cars (if you had it you wouldn't be driving a civic (I needed a cheap reliable car fast(I got one))).

most domestic guys grew up learning about cars.... most import guys got an econobox from there rents and started modding it hoping it would be fast one day... it won't.

and as far as you saying that a motor swap isn't something most "tuners" would do... then you are Seriously the most retarded bastard that ever walked the earth...

that's the FIRST thing most "tuners" do... it's D-bag kids who slap I/H/E on (well I should say have them installed at a shop).

If your not actively TUNING something stop calling yourself a tuner or representing them cuz your not.

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
Oh I'm so pissed... I just wrote like 2 pages and hit escape...

anyway.

domestic owners "hate" on honda's because they get constantly harrased by them for NO reason... they're slow they do NOT compete in ANY way.

Mod your car all you want... they're just trying to let you know that for all the money your spending you could have a MUCH faster better car for LESS money.

And that you bother the crap out of them thinking you could even have a CHANCE running against them...

Ask a domestic guy what he thinks of a mitsu eclipse gsx or a vr4... almost everyone of them (who've ever been in one) are like "now usually those import kids are stupid... but that car is FAST".

because it is.

the reason they say most hondas are slow econo boxes....

BECAUSE THEY ARE


And if you think that most import haters are 18-25 white boys you haven't been looking in the driver seat of those import "tuner" cars.

A. I don't think color has ANYTHING to do with it...
B. 16-25 year olds are the ones buying and driving imports... ya sure some of them have the presence of mind to pick a car that actually has potential.
C. People who KNOW cars rag on honda's because they're funny.

I laugh out loud 7 out of 10 times I drive by another honda... especially the "tuned" ones.

course there is NO side-stepping the fact that the saleen wing is the father of ALL gay wings... that thing is so fugly it should be against the law (functional or not). and if I had a penny for every dumbass cowl or other wise ported hood on a mustang I'd have enough money to make a honda that is fast.

If you want to break down the import/domestic thing it's much easier (although only a little more accurate)
Domestic= meat-head anti-pot yet still pro-beer, working class shclub.
Import= retarded spoiled ass rich white boy with no and I mean NO knowledge of cars (if you had it you wouldn't be driving a civic (I needed a cheap reliable car fast(I got one))).

most domestic guys grew up learning about cars.... most import guys got an econobox from there rents and started modding it hoping it would be fast one day... it won't.

and as far as you saying that a motor swap isn't something most "tuners" would do... then you are Seriously the most retarded bastard that ever walked the earth...

that's the FIRST thing most "tuners" do... it's D-bag kids who slap I/H/E on (well I should say have them installed at a shop).

If your not actively TUNING something stop calling yourself a tuner or representing them cuz your not.

Dude! rofl...you HAVE a fuking civic!! omg....Civics are quick, thats the whole point! Civics can be fast....You're jsut looking at numbers!! damn, just cause you see 200 HP on a civic after a b18c5 swap (you said civics could never be fast.) doesn't mean any car with higher HP could beat it....theres other stuff ya gotta take into account...like my friend with a 240sx...he's got a K&N filter, and some 1500 dollar suspension...and he can beat WRX's in strait lines because of the number of drive shafts they have, and some other reasons too....point is, is that civics can be quick.

[Quevv]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
and the car doesn't feel dead to the road (corvette, WS6 and list goes on)

I don't think the Corvette's feel dead to the road.....

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by Quevv
I don't think the Corvette's feel dead to the road.....
]
Well the new ones do.

[nonovurbizniz]

Originally posted by OPAKRACING
Dude! rofl...you HAVE a fuking civic!! omg....Civics are quick, thats the whole point! Civics can be fast....You're jsut looking at numbers!! damn, just cause you see 200 HP on a civic after a b18c5 swap (you said civics could never be fast.) doesn't mean any car with higher HP could beat it....theres other stuff ya gotta take into account...like my friend with a 240sx...he's got a K&N filter, and some 1500 dollar suspension...and he can beat WRX's in strait lines because of the number of drive shafts they have, and some other reasons too....point is, is that civics can be quick.

No civic's are NOT quick... they're peppy...

civic's can be fast sure... so could a minivan if you dump enough money into it.

I said that EVEN AFTER THE SWAP it will not be fast. which it won't.... it'll be peppier. It will be faster than a integra with the same motor but that's about it. which IS NOT IN ANY WAY APPROACHING FAST.

I HIGHLY doubt your buddies 240 beats wrx's... if it does he's either the best driver in the world or the dude's he's raced weren't racing or don't know how to drive.

You know you can just say "more drivetrain loss" right? And mustangs DON'T have awd so your arguement is moot.

Also wrx is not a domestic. and if you ask gt40 he owned one and is looking to sell it because it IS NOT FAST. they're quicker.

still get roasted by a stock mustang. much less a cobra (if you want to go boost for boost)

domestic guys laugh at you because your all psyched to get 200 hp (incedentally you're aware theat CRANK hp not whp right?) which is NOTHING it's less than a mustang comes with stock.

and as far as civic's being light... you are seriously dumb... they are NOT light by ANY stretch of the imagination... lighter than a dump truck. mine's like 2600 lbs... ya that's REAL light. especially since a mustang weighs around 3k... OOOOHHH you've saved a WHOLE 300 lbs... the engine in a mustang weighs more than 300 lbs more than a civic's. not to mention it has more than triple the horsepower and displacement....

Also keep in mind a b18c5 is pushed pretty to it's peak... it's running 100hp/liter from the factory... that's about ALL your going to get out of it... sure you can dump 2-3k into the motor and get a whole 100 hp out of it (trust me I'm being generous here). So now you have a 300hp FULLY worked motor.. wow... you sure have done something... DUMB.

take a 302... it's 5.0 liters and has like 260 hp... that's 52 hp/liter... think there's some room for TUNING there?

there is almost NO problem getting 400-500 horse out of a mustang. there is almost NO way you'll EVER EVER EVER own a 300 hp civic much less 4 or 5.

You drool over power that mustang guys TUNE OUT to get more drivability out of their cars.

also...

EVERY component you add does not add a hp number it increases the performance relative to what was there before... the 2-3 hp we get from an intake is 15-20 for a mustang...

It's like racing a tractor... sure you can do it... you can even make it "fast"... for a tractor, doesn't make it any less of a waste of money and time if your goal is to have a fast vehicle at the end.

If you want a fast tractor then sure you got it.

Point is you talk a LOT of bs... you asked why people hate imports... look at the light you hold them in and ask youself why someone who knows something about performance might get tired of hearing kids yabber on and on about their "fast civic"...

It's NOT fast no matter how fast it is there are a MILLION domestics that would chew up and spit out your "fast" civic bone stock.

the only mildly cool thing about civic/import tuning is when somebody makes a civic that can roast mustangs and vettes for LESS than you would pay for one of those... even then your still in the cheapest car honda made.

[nonovurbizniz]

Originally posted by OPAKRACING
]
Well the new ones do.

are you seriously this stupid...

sure the car considered one of the best handling/driving vettes in YEARS is dead to the road... I guess all the experts who have been reviewing vettes for over 40 years are ALL wrong... you must be right... your civic is better than a vette.

WOW.... it's truely scary how un-informed/mis-guided you are.

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
....Also wrx is not a domestic. and if you ask gt40 he owned one and is looking to sell it because it IS NOT FAST. they're quicker.....


*wispers* Uhh.. That was SVT.. ;)

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
Point is you talk a LOT of bs... you asked why people hate imports... look at the light you hold them in and ask youself why someone who knows something about performance might get tired of hearing kids yabber on and on about their "fast civic"...

It's NOT fast no matter how fast it is there are a MILLION domestics that would chew up and spit out your "fast" civic bone stock.

the only mildly cool thing about civic/import tuning is when somebody makes a civic that can roast mustangs and vettes for LESS than you would pay for one of those... even then your still in the cheapest car honda made.

ITS GOT FUKING 4 more pistons than me!!! gimmy a v8 in my civic...I mean that the new vettes handle pretty good. for a 1.6 cyl 4 banger its fast...i must be, why would i beat the cars i beat?

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
are you seriously this stupid...

sure the car considered one of the best handling/driving vettes in YEARS is dead to the road... I guess all the experts who have been reviewing vettes for over 40 years are ALL wrong... you must be right... your civic is better than a vette.

WOW.... it's truely scary how un-informed/mis-guided you are.

Shut up dude, its fricken scary how pasionate you are about proving me wrong...i made a fricken mistake! Go fuk yourself

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
Also wrx is not a domestic. and if you ask gt40 he owned one and is looking to sell it because it IS NOT FAST. they're quicker.


I did what now? WRX? You would catch me dead in one of those brittle-axle exuses for a performance car. Unless, of course, an axle snapped and I crashed...in that case I WOULD be caught dead in there.

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by OPAKRACING
ITS GOT FUKING 4 more pistons than me!!!..


Just goes to show.. You only got half the car when you bought it.. Take it back and ask for a refund! :D

[nonovurbizniz]

I was gunna put you or svt... I couldn't remember.

I'm not passionate about proving you wrong I'm just awe struck by some of the comments you make.

I have a 1.6 vtec too it's just not fast... a stock for escort much less a gt would roast me... so would a cav probobly.. they really aren't much if any faster than any comprable 4cyl.. foriegn or domestic... my sentra would tear this thing a new but and it was only the E wich came with a TWIN cam 1.6 the S-ER has the 2.0 Sr20de motor... 1000 bucks later it'd have 400 hp NO PROBLEM.. but again to do that would be dumb its fwd and would have endless traction and rigidity issues... these cars are not safe at the speeds people push them to. No it's not really safe in any car but at least you have some more metal around you.

[GT40FIED]

Now now...let's be fair. Paul Walker pushed that little DSM past 160mph, didn't he? hehe. Bottom line is that as far as safety goes the car doesn't matter. It's all the driver. Hell...a teenager could make an Aspire just as dangerous as a Ferrari. I'll admit it...I drive like a total jackass (even in my wicked stock '01 Sonoma) and I'm 21 and plenty of people much older than me do the same.

Just thought of something else too...it goes to ingenuity. I don't see as much improvisation in the import world. When was the last time you saw a Nissan transmission bolted to a Honda motor and dropped into a Toyota? Go to any car show and you'll probably see at least one car with a Chevy 350 bolted to a Chrysler Torqueflite transmission feeding power to a Ford 9" rear end. Booyah.

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Now now...let's be fair. Paul Walker pushed that little DSM past 160mph, didn't he? hehe. Bottom line is that as far as safety goes the car doesn't matter. It's all the driver. Hell...a teenager could make an Aspire just as dangerous as a Ferrari. I'll admit it...I drive like a total jackass (even in my wicked stock '01 Sonoma) and I'm 21 and plenty of people much older than me do the same.

Just thought of something else too...it goes to ingenuity. I don't see as much improvisation in the import world. When was the last time you saw a Nissan transmission bolted to a Honda motor and dropped into a Toyota? Go to any car show and you'll probably see at least one car with a Chevy 350 bolted to a Chrysler Torqueflite transmission feeding power to a Ford 9" rear end. Booyah.

Do nissan transmissions even fit on honda motors, let alone fit into a toyota without a bunch of work that isn't extremely worth it?

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by OPAKRACING
Do nissan transmissions even fit on honda motors, let alone fit into a toyota without a bunch of work that isn't extremely worth it?

Exactly...do you think a Chrysler transmission bolts right up to a Chevy motor? I've seen it done with Mustangs too...GM's TH-350 or 700R4 bolted to a 302 motor. But model specifics wasn't my point. It's all about ingenuity and the will to make it happen. And honestly swaps like that aren't generally that expensive. I suppose whether or not it's worth it is rather subjective, though. Though I did see a 240ZX once with a blown LT1 in it...that thing gave me goosebumps it was so damn fast.

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Just thought of something else too...it goes to ingenuity. I don't see as much improvisation in the import world. When was the last time you saw a Nissan transmission bolted to a Honda motor and dropped into a Toyota? Go to any car show and you'll probably see at least one car with a Chevy 350 bolted to a Chrysler Torqueflite transmission feeding power to a Ford 9" rear end. Booyah.

no but i've seen is300 and the new atima tailights go on hondas and what not. even jag tails are going to import crowd :pukey :pukey :pukey :pukey :pukey

i for one i am keep it all the make the car is not mutilate it with some other car parts. and the honda engine and toyota tranny or any other tranny would be impossible because of the engine rotation ( counter clock wise on hondas so you would end up having 5 reverses and 1 forward) did i just comeup with an idea for a rwd civic :rolleyes: ;) :paranoid:

[OPAKRACING]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
no but i've seen is300 and the new atima tailights go on hondas and what not. even jag tails are going to import crowd :pukey :pukey :pukey :pukey :pukey

i for one i am keep it all the make the car is not mutilate it with some other car parts. and the honda engine and toyota tranny or any other tranny would be impossible because of the engine rotation ( counter clock wise on hondas so you would end up having 5 reverses and 1 forward) did i just comeup with an idea for a rwd civic :rolleyes: ;) :paranoid:

Lol....Hmmm *thinks*:rolleyes:

[Racing Rice]

Ive seen a Supra motor in an RX7.. Does that count for anything? :D

[nonovurbizniz]

go to http://www.jagsthatrun.com/... 350's in jags till your eyes bleed... I've also seen rx-7's with 350's as well as 280's 240's lots of cars.

they also put 302's into miata's as well as rotary motors...

As far as that is concerned though it's just dumb... unless it's a 1/4 mi car only and even then it then frames just aren't strong enough to handle that much power... my buddy had to put frame rail connectors on his mustang... imagine what that power would do to a miata.

And as far as honda motor rotation it can be reversed... there were some guys on the cover of one of the import mags who had to do it to get the engine to work properly with there setup... I'm sure it was no easy task but it's do-able.

I'd take a b16 or b18 running serious psi over a 350 in my civic ANY DAY... imagine I could actually still drive the car around a corner AND probobly beat some v8's (stockers).

other than to be able to say... yup I put a v8 in it... there is NO reason to put a v8 in a econocar...

like those 4.7L conversions for the ford eco box. that's just dumb... I can't imagine those cars are drivable at all.. and you could make the same if not more power by boosting the crap out of the stock block.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
As far as that is concerned though it's just dumb... unless it's a 1/4 mi car only and even then it then frames just aren't strong enough to handle that much power... my buddy had to put frame rail connectors on his mustang... imagine what that power would do to a miata.

Actually subframe connectors are more useful as a chassis brace as opposed to providing torsional bracing to counteract the motor's power. Since they use subframes, after a good amount of time the doors can begin to sag and shut poorly. Plus you ever try auto-X'ing a subframe car? Talk about disappointing. But I agree...putting V8s in compacts is just a mistake. A few years ago I saw an older-style 240ZX or SX (I think that's what it was...not much of a domestic market Nissan fan) that had a blown LT1 motor. The thing was wicked fast but he didn't actually hook up until 4th gear. I also helped a friend shoehorn a blown 302 crate motor into a Miata that belonged to his dad...hmmm...500hp + sub-3000lb car = huge mistake.

[nonovurbizniz]

ya he put the connectors on cuz his front wheels where coming up and arcing his frame on launch at the track...