Civic coupe vs. civic hatch.... [Archive]

Duckydos

04-20-2003, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
OH NO... he wants a stereo... so what I have a box in my trunk I'm not gunna take it out for the whole 50 lbs it'll save.. that's just stupid..

All this stripping interiors and shit is SOOOOO stupid...

Wow you dropped 150 lbs from your car... WOW that's amazing.. nothings more impressive then a guy who can yank crap out of his car to make it faster... that great. No reason to tune stuff or ADD horsepower... might as well yank out every drop of convenience in my econobox... that's a fantastic idea.

You're very negative (and idiotic) in alot of your posts. He was saying that this guy is worrying about weight (Hatch compared to Coupe) yet he is going to put subs in his car. He's contradicting himself.

And I think that there comes a time when you've done all you can do (or you just to cheap to do it) to gain HP. So, that spare tire isn't really needed. Just my $.02

-Ducky

nonovurbizniz

04-20-2003, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by Duckydos
You're very negative (and idiotic) in alot of your posts. He was saying that this guy is worrying about weight (Hatch compared to Coupe) yet he is going to put subs in his car. He's contradicting himself.

And I think that there comes a time when you've done all you can do (or you just to cheap to do it) to gain HP. So, that spare tire isn't really needed. Just my $.02

-Ducky

Eat me (and f*ck yourself)... That's exactly what I said...

If not and considering you have a box in you trunk I'd say hatch or coupe is a personal preference.. your obviously not concerned with weight...

you can take out your spare tire AT THE TRACK as well as your seats pass. and rear... that's great... I'm was talking about people stripping their sound deadening material and ripping out there carpets and sh*t in daily driven cars.

Read the sig Diock.

OPAKRACING

04-20-2003, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by Duckydos
You're very negative (and idiotic) in alot of your posts. He was saying that this guy is worrying about weight (Hatch compared to Coupe) yet he is going to put subs in his car. He's contradicting himself.

And I think that there comes a time when you've done all you can do (or you just to cheap to do it) to gain HP. So, that spare tire isn't really needed. Just my $.02

-Ducky

dude, music is the exception, i mean c'mon. i'm not contradicting myself...i never once said "I want my car to be as light as i can make it" i wanna try to make it as light as i can with the exception of My fricken NECESSARY music.

Shot 2 Hel

04-20-2003, 11:36 PM

more or less down to your question, there is a little bit of weight difference, but it will perform about the same in either one, so i say go for the swap if you want one it will be a big difference

nonovurbizniz

04-20-2003, 11:52 PM

the more important thing to consider between coupe and hatch is chassis rigidity and handling charactoristics...

have you driven both?

if not try to do so... that's a much better way to judge a car then a scale or your eye.

Duckydos

04-21-2003, 12:11 AM

I would imagine the coupe would have a better weight distrobution(sp) as well...

AzCivic

04-21-2003, 12:12 AM

Unless this car is going to be an all out race car, does it really matter? Just get what you like.

juvenile

04-21-2003, 01:12 AM

Well from his previous posts...he wants to build the fastest civic...

nonovurbizniz

04-21-2003, 08:53 AM

let's not get into what his previous posts tell us... jfwy

juvenile

04-21-2003, 10:59 AM

Ok, we won't :bandit:

OPAKRACING

04-21-2003, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK...

whenever you talk i keep that in mind;)

mt.biker

04-21-2003, 04:07 PM

dude here's a far out idea... you want a fast car? You want it to be faster then most of the other cars on the streets? If you answered 'yes' to any of those two questions DONT BUY/MOD A CIVIC!

OPAKRACING

04-21-2003, 09:46 PM

Do you drive a civic?

I do, and i have beaten MANY four cylanders on the road. including a turbo charged saturn, and Ford Taurus SHO/SVT, and accords...and i dont' even know how the heck to drive my car that well.

Wren57

04-21-2003, 09:55 PM

^wow, quite the accomplishments:rolleyes:
the question you gotta ask yourself is:
For the money Im spending, do I want to run with the big dogs or not?
Answer this to yourself and then you will know the best course of action...

*EDIT*
Sorry, that sounded a bit harsh, but realistically do you want to be able to run with vettes, supras, etc or do you want to run with accords and saturns?

OPAKRACING

04-21-2003, 09:56 PM

Shot 2 Hel

04-21-2003, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by OPAKRACING
Do you drive a civic?

I do, and i have beaten MANY four cylanders on the road. including a turbo charged saturn, and Ford Taurus SHO/SVT, and accords...and i dont' even know how the heck to drive my car that well.

cylInders

OPAKRACING

04-21-2003, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by Shot 2 Hel
cylInders

Hmm?

Shot 2 Hel

04-21-2003, 10:00 PM

^^^ look it up man there is no cylAnder its cylInder

AzCivic

04-21-2003, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by highlander
^wow, quite the accomplishments:rolleyes:
the question you gotta ask yourself is:
For the money Im spending, do I want to run with the big dogs or not?
Answer this to yourself and then you will know the best course of action...

*EDIT*
Sorry, that sounded a bit harsh, but realistically do you want to be able to run with vettes, supras, etc or do you want to run with accords and saturns?

How much money do you think it takes to make a civic fast? Why cant a civic be as fast as a vette or supra?

Shot 2 Hel

04-21-2003, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by AzCivic
How much money do you think it takes to make a civic fast? Why cant a civic be as fast as a vette or supra?

a whole lot

I read something one time, went something like this

you can either spend a whole lot to make your civic run like a lude, or you could just buy a lude

AzCivic

04-21-2003, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by Shot 2 Hel
a whole lot

I read something one time, went something like this

you can either spend a whole lot to make your civic run like a lude, or you could just buy a lude

great answer :rolleyes:

OPAKRACING

04-21-2003, 10:22 PM

member

04-21-2003, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by highlander
^wow, quite the accomplishments:rolleyes:
the question you gotta ask yourself is:
For the money Im spending, do I want to run with the big dogs or not?
Answer this to yourself and then you will know the best course of action...

*EDIT*
Sorry, that sounded a bit harsh, but realistically do you want to be able to run with vettes, supras, etc or do you want to run with accords and saturns?

i'd rather drive in a civic and let everyone hypothesis that it's slow(when it's actually just as fast as supra's, corvettes, ect), then drive around in those other cars. it just seems more fun to drive around in a sleeper...

BTW:

what engines do the 2002 civic coupes come with?

dx, ex, and lx?

nonovurbizniz

04-22-2003, 12:11 AM

^the only problem is that you'll never do that... a supra bone stock as long as it's running well will BURN a 20 psi b18. or a h22 or whatever FRONT WHEEL DRIVE car you through at it same for a vette. sure there are and have been exceptions and yes 50k into a civic will make it faster than a 50k new vette... but the point is the vette is operating at like 40-60 hp/liter (ie not tuned or taken advantage of yet) while the turboed 2liter or 1.8 is like 150-250 hp/liter (ie THAT's ALL YOU'll EVER GET OUT OF IT.. and it's not gunna live for too long.)

The lude swaps great as long as you get an lsd and don't want traction above 5k in ANY GEAR.

Go buy yer spoon engine and have some schmuck tear it apart...and turbo it... take pictures and send me what's left after it blows.

You or anyone has to realize that fwd is JUST NOT OPTIMAL...

and opak I'm not tring to be mean but if you think you beat a turbo anything then that turbo is either pissing boost or not tuned at all. and if you think you beat an sho then it was either totally neglected and not running properly or the person wasn't racing you. as far as the accord... I could beat some accords in a stock vw beetle that hasn't ever had a oil change (sorry hondaman).

Do what you want but make up your mind... Also you still haven't come back with a budget... how much money is burning a hole in your pocket that your asking all these fat cat questions????

AzCivic

04-22-2003, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
^the only problem is that you'll never do that... a supra bone stock as long as it's running well will BURN a 20 psi b18. or a h22 or whatever FRONT WHEEL DRIVE car you through at it same for a vette. sure there are and have been exceptions and yes 50k into a civic will make it faster than a 50k new vette... but the point is the vette is operating at like 40-60 hp/liter (ie not tuned or taken advantage of yet) while the turboed 2liter or 1.8 is like 150-250 hp/liter (ie THAT's ALL YOU'll EVER GET OUT OF IT.. and it's not gunna live for too long.)

You or anyone has to realize that fwd is JUST NOT OPTIMAL...

How do you know a Honda anything running 20lbs of boost will get beat by a supra??? Do you drive a honda running that much boost, have you seen a honda running that much boost. Or did you hear from a friend that FWD just cant be fast, its just impossible, theres just no way to overcome the disadvantage.???

FWD is not optimal, just like having a 3400lb car is not OPTIMAL, if you want whats optimal then save up for a real race car. Or you can do the best with what you got and beat YES BEAT supra's vette's or whatever else.

Of course the vette isnt making the power it should be, thats the american way.

Violent Apathy

04-22-2003, 12:57 AM

Want a fast car on the cheap? Ditch the civic, buy a Nissan 240SX, and swap in an sr20det (I think that's the designation) engine. Boom, fast car, and relatively cheap, especially compared to what you'd have to do to a civic to get it to even compete with the 240. Damn I'm just lovin Nissans more and more every day.

AzCivic

04-22-2003, 01:01 AM

I'm not going to argue that the 240 is a better platform to start off with, but your going to end up dumping money into that too so why not save up for a vette, or save a little longer for a viper or a little longer for...you get the idea.

mt.biker

04-22-2003, 08:37 AM

if you buy a civic thinking you'll make it fast your just kidding yourself. Fast is a relative term and in the world of civics you think your fast if you can hang with seddans. The jokes on you guys because those cars aren't even 'fast' in the big picture they're just faster then your civic will be.

Civic were never ment to be taken to the limits that they are being taken to today. Yes you can drop a better engine in a civic then its worth, and yes it will be faster then the 1.5 or 1.6L you have in there. But the reality is its still a civic and when you start running with the big boys who put out more tq then you do ponnies you'll realize you didn't come ready to win. Its sad to say 'honda doesn't own the road' anymore but they never did. They've made great cars and I love the car I drive, and just because I've walked on most people I've lined up with doesn't mean my RL is some amazing machine. It just happens to be one of the few motors they make that puts out a nice tq that ends up being more then its HP. So when I line up with a civic I walk on it because Im putting out more tq then his 1.6 DOHC with intake and exhaust.

When all your power comes from rev's it doesn't always make a fast car, you need more tq then your civics start with. Give it up, yes they might look good 'riced' but they aren't race cars, and they weren't ment to go fast. I'd take a mustang any day over a civic. Runs faster stock then 95% of moded civics and its rwd. Something you forget is that RWD is one of the most important things to making a car fast, FWD just doesn't cut it.

So have fun with your civics but dont forget its just a 'toy car' and lining up with cars of simliar displacement is all you should be doing. Leave the big boys alone and stop trying to tell us how great your civics are.

mt.biker

04-22-2003, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
I'm not going to argue that the 240 is a better platform to start off with, but your going to end up dumping money into that too so why not save up for a vette, or save a little longer for a viper or a little longer for...you get the idea.

If you wanted a fast car you'd spend the money and put it towards a 240sx, which has SO MUCH MORE going for it. Yes parts for nissan are more then a civic, but so be it. True performance is costly!

If you can't tell I dont think much of most civics on the road, dont anyone take it personally I just think there are many better options out there then a civic and everyone seems to be forgetting that. Seems people are civic crazy and are blinded by the FWD 127hp no tq motor. Just have fun with your cars guys but please dont be telling me how fast your civic is because your only going to get me laughing.

ChrisCantSkate

04-22-2003, 08:53 AM

if you want an even lighter car with more potential then get a ae86. but the thing is, i think your asking what to get and you'll never have the money. anyone can dream, but im willing to bet(and i could be wrong) that you'll never have the money to buy a spoon engine and have it installed(with the other spoon parts) or to properly do a turbo build up. and if you were told the hatch was better would you sell your car for a hatch? from what i've herd, the 6th gen civics dont have a huge difference in weight between the hatch and coupe, its the 5th gen hatches that are really light.

oh and for the h22 not getting traction in any gear... he's talking about putting that muych power to the wheels eventualy anywyas.. why would it make a difference if its coming form an h22 or a b18. and remeber, when you have a powerful car you no longer need to floor it around every turn just to get to the store. any real performance cars(supras vettes etc.) can easily break the tires loos if they just gun it, thats what happenes when you have more power. if you serious about an h22 swap go for it,. if its done right, with suspension and tuning, you should be fine.

im willing to bet that a year from now you still have that d16 though

(fianls week and i havnt slept much)

nonovurbizniz

04-22-2003, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by AzCivic
How do you know a Honda anything running 20lbs of boost will get beat by a supra??? Do you drive a honda running that much boost, have you seen a honda running that much boost. Or did you hear from a friend that FWD just cant be fast, its just impossible, theres just no way to overcome the disadvantage.???

A. You can quit thinking I'm some dumb kid. I probobly work on my car just as much if not more than your and have worked on other cars and been around racing and cars since I was 6.
B. I know because the supra will have traction and is a FASTER CAR... the civic will just spin the wheels trying to catch up to it unless it has slicks and some sort of front loading whellie bar like drag FWD's.

As far as your response to not arguing the 240 being better:

A. why are you arguing then?
B. Saving up for a vette would mean saving up another 40k after the 10k at most it would take to make a 240 REDICULOUSLY fast... So I don't really get that.

And chris... yup you're right... any fwd with that much power will be completely street undrivable unless it's MASTERFULLY tuned to seperate street and strip programs/setting to tone down the power for the street. Point is though that Your other point is even more correct... After 3 different requests for a budget he's still mute. This is all just pipe dreams.

ChrisCantSkate

04-22-2003, 10:37 AM

not street drivable? no. there are quite a few h22 preldues putting 300+hp street driven, and ive known of a few(2) that were 450+ street driven(crazy boost) preludes have mroe traction problems than civics... i think it can be dine, but it must be done right. tuning is EVERYTHING

nonovurbizniz

04-22-2003, 12:55 PM

the only way to have any kind of traction with that kind of power is to have a computer control system retarding boost or throttle in order to avoid wheel slippage... other than that you go anywhere over 1/4 throttle it'll just break'em loose.

Keep in mind A LOT of the times when a mag or person says I have a 400 hp street driven car they mean that it is capable of 400 hp and is tuned down to run on the street..

A friend of mine's buddy had a fully built/worked b16 in a del sol and it was TOTALLY undrivable even with the boost turned down and the nitros off. YES he ran both. the car was dynoed at 400 hp w/o nitrous... running 18lbs with a maximum boost level of 20 (never dynoed though)... he was snapping axels left and right and if he did so much as touch the gas when letting out the clutch the car just went sideways... not like the assend came out like a crab... it would just sping the tires and lurch to the right really slow... he gave up on having a street/track car and made it all track. then he sold it. FOR A HUGE LOSS... that's the thing with these things... people start off with little to no experience build a car that's MORE powerfull then they really wanted or the platform is COMPLETELY inappropriate for the power...

I say if you want HIGH hp and a street driven car your stuck to picking AWD cars... I wouldn't even do a RWD... they're almost as bad in different ways.

Sure you CAN do it... but will you have a car that's good all around like you started with... NO. you'll have a hp producing beast that can't USE that power effectively. I don't know about you but I want a car that takes advantage of it's power not one that's left helpless because of it.

Wren57

04-22-2003, 01:04 PM

^haha yeah, agreed
magazine racing, woohoo:rolleyes:

ChrisCantSkate

04-22-2003, 02:23 PM

ok let me refrase it then.... i know someone who was running 475ish whp in a prelude on the street(535 at track). its just you have to know how to drive the car. i can loose traction to the point of me not going as fast just by nailing it in 1st and a little in 2nd gear... but i dont.. cause i know how to drive my car. it can be done, im not saying its wise... i dont think its wise at all to mod your primary vehical anymore(my next mod-a-car will be when i own 2 cars)

thh point is.. you said it cant be done, it CAN be done and is done alot if your smart about it and go through the nessisary suspension/tire combo. you cant tell me that a 400hp civi8c has more traction problems that all these 600+hp supras/rx7's/camaros/mustangs on the street that i KNOW are around here cause i see them whenever i want. your thinking that a 400hp civic is insane. sure it is for a ciivc... but i'd MUCH rather have bad traction from a fwd car than from a rwd car IF im trying to drive a daily driver.

and who was magazine racing? i dont even read car magazines

OPAKRACING

04-22-2003, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by TheBaconKing
Want a fast car on the cheap? Ditch the civic, buy a Nissan 240SX, and swap in an sr20det (I think that's the designation) engine. Boom, fast car, and relatively cheap, especially compared to what you'd have to do to a civic to get it to even compete with the 240. Damn I'm just lovin Nissans more and more every day.

Theres a prob with that....i can't get a 240sx, cause my best friend has one, and i can't copy him :( Whats another car a skyline engine can fit into?

Wren57

04-22-2003, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by OPAKRACING
Theres a prob with that....i can't get a 240sx, cause my best friend has one, and i can't copy him :( Whats another car a skyline engine can fit into?

Haha, I understand that... skyline engines also fit into the 350z/g35:D... hehe seriously, look at MKIII Supra Turbos, damn good looking, good handling, easy to mod and fairly reliable... did I mention quite cheap too? And you won't have the same thing as probably 300,000 people (modded civics)...

Racing Rice

04-22-2003, 03:47 PM

Wanna be different, get an old Datsun and put a SR20DET or even better a 350.. Im sure with some custom parts it would fit nicely.:o

Wren57

04-22-2003, 03:49 PM

^not a bad idea at all...
there would be tons of room left in the engine bay for, say, a turbo a big IC piping:D
I dont think those are supposed to handle well (not sure abt that though), but that could be changed with some mods...

Racing Rice

04-22-2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by highlander
^not a bad idea at all...
there would be tons of room left in the engine bay for, say, a turbo a big IC piping:D
I dont think those are supposed to handle well (not sure abt that though), but that could be changed with some mods...

Ive seen some of the older Datsuns handle pretty well, thats what aftermarket suspension is for!..;)

Racing Rice

04-22-2003, 03:56 PM

Here is a page for you..

http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Datsun_Z_V-8.html

silver

04-22-2003, 04:36 PM

there is more than one kind of 240sx. you can go s13 coupe or fastback, s14 with one of two front end styles. or be gay and get a s13 convertible. you could get a sentra, 91+, any year after that all the way up to 2001, and swap a sr20det into it and have your turboed fwd car. you wanna swap an rb26? they fit very well into an M30, if you have all this cash why don't you just get an R32 GT-S from Motorex for around 20G's and swap in the rb26, final cost on this venture probably in the low 30's. and a 510 with a det in it with a nice suspension will handle really well. how much money do you have? I know plenty of people on the west coast if you're serious who will make the car you want.

nonovurbizniz

04-22-2003, 05:12 PM

I NEVER said magazine racing... I was just saying a lot of the times people say I have xxx hp and that's 1 time on the dyno. or that's their track setting...

I also don't think I said that a 400 hp civic is impossible because there are plenty of them...

What I said was if your plan is to dump this much money into a car then you civic is not the best option... not only could you sell it and get more money for it then you'll pay for another car of the same year but that car will handle the power better.

As far as prefering to have fwd over rwd... I'm not trying to offend you but... that HAS to be because you don't have as much experience in RWD cars... sure FWD is easier especially when there are traction issues... but a RWD will go faster and waste less power... plus like you said... if you know how to drive it it'll WASTE a FWD car with IDENTICAL everything else...

My dad's porsche could spin'em in any gear below 4 especially around a corner... that doesn't mean that I couldn't accelerate through a corner in it WAY faster then my no traction loss sentra or civic and not because of power... or suspension because over steer is A LOT easier to get aggressive with then understeer is... I'll take my ass swinging out a little over pushing into a guardrail or woods anyday.

PLUS... my whole statement was that if you want that kind of power you should go AWD... it's just better... nothing like flooring it through a 90 degree bend and just having to hold onto your seat.

I know you CAN do it w/o.. I know it's done w/o... but it would be better done with.

I just think this is silly it's BEYOND obvious that opak has NO money and these are just dreams... he's been repeatadly asked for a budget but he doesn't reply...

I never said civics' or hondas' were somehow incapable of speed or anything like that... what I said was that if your going to start off new... with an un modded car... then get a better platform... Not only will you not be another D-bag with a honda (regardless of how fast it is or isn't) but you'll have a car that's more geared towards your goals and more capable of handling those goals once attained...

Be different. don't just hop on a bandwagon.. I got a civic cuz I wrecked my old car and NEEDED a new one and couldn't find another sentra... this civic was down the street for sale and it had all the bs I didn't have on my sentra (power everything and a sunroof). That car (sentra) was a 1.6 and HEAVELY modded.. it'd burn stock ser's on the highway (happened once or twice) and it was only a 1.6... HOWEVER it had DOHC instead of this SOHC bs... it had a timing chain instead of this belt bs... and it was WAY faster then my civic, probobly not so, stock; but it was a MUCH better car imo.

And just as capable of swaps... only better ones like sr20det... or just turbo a sr20de... or build the 1.6 more... it was a rager... way stronger smoother and more reliable than my civic.

He can put 40k into a short bus for all I care.. I was just trying to help the uninformed kid out of making a mistake that once he does know all the stuff he wishes he did now he'll regret...

OOPS I jumped on the honda bandwagon instead of learning about cars and choosing the best or at least a better one to mod.

I love my honda... I like SOME other honda's (like your lude chris) but if I was planning on dumping 10k+ into a car there is NO WAY IN HELL IT WOULD BE A HONDA.... FOR GOOD GOOD REASON.

they're just not a very good track or autocross project car... unless your goal is to get kudos from other honda owners... then it's great. The benifit to them is the amount of information out there on them and cost of parts (which aren't really much cheaper than other cars you just have more opportunities to get group buys and clearance stuff.)

Wren57

04-22-2003, 06:07 PM

^yupyup, basically what my seriously thread says:D

zm_dawg

04-22-2003, 06:20 PM

OPAK TELL ME YOUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW! OR ELSE!

Wren57

04-22-2003, 06:34 PM

like, infinite man, because like I don't have to pay for anything and I got a sweet $6/hour job;) :D:yes:
haha jwfy
really, if you set a realistic budget on how much you can intially spend on the car and how much you plan on spending in the future, we could all help a lot more...

member

04-22-2003, 07:21 PM

f*ck all the b*tching.

no one knows the answer to my question?!

AzCivic

04-22-2003, 07:30 PM

D17A1 Honda Civic DX/LX
D17A2 Honda Civic EX

member

04-22-2003, 07:54 PM

ok, thanks.

are those the lowest engines available for honda's?

what's the best?

OPAKRACING

04-22-2003, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by highlander
like, infinite man, because like I don't have to pay for anything and I got a sweet $6/hour job;) :D:yes:
haha jwfy
really, if you set a realistic budget on how much you can intially spend on the car and how much you plan on spending in the future, we could all help a lot more...

I dunno, I plan on the car taking more that 1 year...my budget is however much it takes to finish the car, lol. Lets see, lets set it at 15k(that includes the b18c1 full swap)

zm_dawg

04-22-2003, 08:36 PM

and your going to be doing all of this on your 96 EX......or are you still getting a hatch or whatever the hell's churning in your head?

OPAKRACING

04-22-2003, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by zm_dawg
and your going to be doing all of this on your 96 EX......or are you still getting a hatch or whatever the hell's churning in your head?

Hey listen, don't be a B*tch...be nice.

Yes, i'm still using my 96' EX.

nonovurbizniz

04-22-2003, 11:45 PM

what's your budget doesn't mean make up a number.. it means HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU HAVE TO SPEND RIGHT NOW... because if you don't have at least 6k to START with your out...

the swap a b18c1 will cost you like 3k to be generous... your "sponsor" should only charge you 1k to put it in... that's not including all the BS that comes up... which will add up to another 500 AT LEAST... that's without modding that engine AT ALL... or doing good motor mounts while the engine is out or putting in a better radiator to keep the bigger motor cool (stocks will work ok). Then expect at least another 6k to get it turboed... then comes snapped axels... the ones that don't snap and can get you down a track w/o worries are only like 250-450 a piece.
If your LUCKY the guys who you trust to tune YOUR motor don't blow it in the process or tune it so you blow it... then you get tired of that and decide to rip open the block and start building it... if you want to do that right that's gunna just keep adding up and adding up... 5-10k in parts and 500-2k in labor... now your car's just plain undrivable on the street... you give up get another car to drive daily and start using that as a track car... but now it sits too much doesn't run enough.. when it does it gets run too hard... shit breaks all the time...

I'm just saying your getting into a life style that will UTTERLY CONSUME EVERY PENNY YOU HAVE for EVER or until you realize you made a BIG mistake starting with a civic...

Just one of many possible senarious... but that's the one I hear and see most often. I don't know any Professional racers do you?

OPAKRACING

04-22-2003, 11:50 PM

I'm saving up for the engine right now.

Spoon is sending over a driver from Japan to run OPAKraing's new RSX type R that spoon built for them in the quarter...they're running it this week, we'll see how it does i'll keep ya guys updated. ...speaking of race car drivers...lol:yes:

nonovurbizniz

04-23-2003, 12:04 AM

I meant know as in grew up with... IE I KNOW about 50-100 people who moderately to HEAVILY mod and race their cars... many have dumped over 20k into whatever platform they were working with... YES some of them have won races and I believe one of them took first for the season in his class... however none are getting much if anything for free and some are penniless because of there obsession with this stuff.

Don't buy a spoon engine dude... it's way too f&f especially if your planning or even contemplating going turbo later... the difference between your stock motor and a b18c1 will be NIGHT AND DAY... you will have a fast car... you'll be burning lots of dudes out there who have spent lots of money... the name is not worth the price especially if that's not where your going to stop...

AzCivic

04-23-2003, 12:23 AM

Like i said in the beginning keep your D16y8, have it rebuilt to handle boost $2500 or so. Put it in yourself, buy all the turbo ish $3000-$4000. Put that in yourself. Tune it 200-300$. Stomp on most cars on the street.

One of the main reasons Honda's are not such good platforms to start off with is because everyone thinks they need to swap out their engine, which costs 3000-5000$ just for a beat down engine from someone elses car.

Racing Rice

04-23-2003, 07:18 AM

Fock, this thread is never going to end..

Opak, you need to atleast find a starting point and work from there. If you have technical question, we will be more then happy to help. But atleast make you mind up on something.:rolleyes:

nonovurbizniz

04-23-2003, 08:06 AM

I VERY much agree with AZCivic...

Your best bet is to stick with the stock engine... get a turbo KIT.. fmax it's like 3500 bucks see if hondamaniac can get you a better price... go buy the turbo tuning book gt40fied recomended in another thread... the name slips my mind but if you want I'll look it up later... When your DONE reading the book and the instructions for the kit 15 times install it... see if you can get someone who knows what they're doing to supervise (really just supervise though) this will not only teach you TONS of stuff about engines and tuning but chances are with 3-4 mods on that kit you could be running 12-13's on slicks with some stuff taken out of your car NO PROBLEM.. that's fast dude... and it IS street power because the turbo power ramps up so as long as you don't launch at 4k you don't really spin the wheels... and you'll get used to not having to "floor" it all the time. This would yield FANTASTIC results... even without a costly engine build... after your tired of that and you have more money saved up you can make a WAY more educated decision about what you want to do from there...

If you really want a rediculous street honda you gotta start off more realistic... learn about tuning YOURSELF.

Many of the your not going to have a fast civic comments I said where more at the track fast... if you turbo your d16 you COULD be WASTING dudes with swaps, nitros, and MUCH better stock cars... like maxima's and 3 series bmw's... that's fast... and since you have suspension already it'll be tight as hell... you didn't answer the brake Q though... do you have rear disk??? I think it's standard for you but I don't know.

If you do this instead of save up for a spoon engine you will be thanking us till the day you die.

OPAKRACING

04-23-2003, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
I VERY much agree with AZCivic...

Your best bet is to stick with the stock engine... get a turbo KIT.. fmax it's like 3500 bucks see if hondamaniac can get you a better price... go buy the turbo tuning book gt40fied recomended in another thread... the name slips my mind but if you want I'll look it up later... When your DONE reading the book and the instructions for the kit 15 times install it... see if you can get someone who knows what they're doing to supervise (really just supervise though) this will not only teach you TONS of stuff about engines and tuning but chances are with 3-4 mods on that kit you could be running 12-13's on slicks with some stuff taken out of your car NO PROBLEM.. that's fast dude... and it IS street power because the turbo power ramps up so as long as you don't launch at 4k you don't really spin the wheels... and you'll get used to not having to "floor" it all the time. This would yield FANTASTIC results... even without a costly engine build... after your tired of that and you have more money saved up you can make a WAY more educated decision about what you want to do from there...

If you really want a rediculous street honda you gotta start off more realistic... learn about tuning YOURSELF.

Many of the your not going to have a fast civic comments I said where more at the track fast... if you turbo your d16 you COULD be WASTING dudes with swaps, nitros, and MUCH better stock cars... like maxima's and 3 series bmw's... that's fast... and since you have suspension already it'll be tight as hell... you didn't answer the brake Q though... do you have rear disk??? I think it's standard for you but I don't know.

If you do this instead of save up for a spoon engine you will be thanking us till the day you die.

yea ok, but it'd be better to start off with a b18c1 anyways...so why doj't i jsut get my b18c1, and burn guys N/A, while i'm savin up for my turbo kit....sounds good to me

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
Don't buy a spoon engine dude... it's way too f&f especially if your planning or even contemplating going turbo later... the difference between your stock motor and a b18c1 will be NIGHT AND DAY... you will have a fast car... you'll be burning lots of dudes out there who have spent lots of money... the name is not worth the price especially if that's not where your going to stop...[QUOTE]

nonovurbizniz

04-23-2003, 09:57 PM

the turbo kit on a d16 would probobly beat a b18c1 swap... they've got like 180 crank hp at MOST...

A well tuned d series turbo will have 175-200 whp.. and be cheaper.

if you want to start with a b18 then go ahead but do it yourself with supervision.. you'll save money and learn a lot.

OPAKRACING

04-23-2003, 10:16 PM

Well, its just that i'd get more out of the b18 in the long run..IT IS a bigger motor when alls said and done. It just makes sense that it would have more potential.

AzCivic

04-23-2003, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by OPAKRACING
Well, its just that i'd get more out of the b18 in the long run..IT IS a bigger motor when alls said and done. It just makes sense that it would have more potential.

When you get the d engine rebuilt you have the option of having it bored out to just under a 1.8ltr. So the difference in displacement doesnt really matter much.

nonovurbizniz

04-23-2003, 11:03 PM

I wouldn't recomend stroking the motor to 1.8... and if your serious about boring out a d series motor... uhh you need help.. they already have REDICULOUSLY thin cyl. walls. you wouldn't want to bore that down at ALL.

plus your still stuck with the sohc instead of dohc which can make a pretty good difference if it's tuned properly.

If your definately going to swap down the road then sure get a b now.. there are more options and configurations... (ie head/piston/valve/spring swaps which are all stock parts.) But you'd learn a lot more from turboing your d and you wouldn't be risking blowing a pricey motor.

AzCivic

04-23-2003, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
I wouldn't recomend stroking the motor to 1.8... and if your serious about boring out a d series motor... uhh you need help.. they already have REDICULOUSLY thin cyl. walls. you wouldn't want to bore that down at ALL.

plus your still stuck with the sohc instead of dohc which can make a pretty good difference if it's tuned properly.

If your definately going to swap down the road then sure get a b now.. there are more options and configurations... (ie head/piston/valve/spring swaps which are all stock parts.) But you'd learn a lot more from turboing your d and you wouldn't be risking blowing a pricey motor.

Thats why you get the block RESLEEVED, sorry i didnt point this out but by rebuilt i meant that aswell.

Well as we can see from the "fastest all-motor civic" debate, the extra cam isnt really helping out all that much. Since bisi was able to beat the DOHC record(for a short time) with a SOHC.

There are alot of options when it comes to the d engine as well, you even gave an example with the GX pistons in the other thread. Plus all the parts are cheaper with the d.