I raced...something...VW [Archive]

pdiggitydogg

04-13-2003, 10:32 PM

Im not gonna give much of a story other than the kid was being an ass and he didnt know how to drive well (must have just got his stick). The kid was revvin up to like 6K and kept talkin shit about how he wanted to run and rippin on my baby being "Japanese shit"...so I got sick of it and put the window down at the light and said "bring it kid"

it was some vw...it was a longer hatch, it was older and really boxy...not a golf...someone wanna help me out w/ what it was?

It was fast but since he couldnt drive, I past it and called it done @ 70mph...however he felt the need to pass me goin like 85 later down the road...why are kids so dumb?

alright, found what it was:
http://scirocco.dyndns.org/16v/owen.gif
VW Scirocco

anyone got stats on this thing??

a96710

04-13-2003, 10:46 PM

I think the 16V is around 130hp, not 100% sure on that though

pdiggitydogg

04-13-2003, 10:59 PM

well this car was definataly more than 130...
It was pretty clean and looked like he cared about it, so it mustve had internals

Civic98

04-13-2003, 11:14 PM

nice killl.....

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
why are kids so dumb?

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cuz they're kids.....

Addict

04-14-2003, 07:18 AM

Look anything like this?
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1993/Volkswagen/4033/010755-E.jpg

pdiggitydogg

04-14-2003, 09:14 AM

yeah, looked just like that

Addict

04-14-2003, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
yeah, looked just like that
Yeah that's a Corrado. You were lucky to win that one.

178 HP
177 TQ

I figured it was a Corrado because the other one is less common and older.

pdiggitydogg

04-14-2003, 09:20 AM

gotcha...lucky the kid couldnt drive then...:paranoid:
I'll be sure to "just say no" the next time for sure :D

a96710

04-14-2003, 10:01 AM

The G60 Corrados were supercharged stock I believe

ebpda9

04-14-2003, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by Addict
Yeah that's a Corrado. You were lucky to win that one.

178 HP
177 TQ

I figured it was a Corrado because the other one is less common and older.

europeam models are still called scirocco

pdiggitydogg

04-14-2003, 10:10 AM

sc eh...hmm...sneaky kid. I asked him if it was turbo'd too...if they were sc thats why he got that sneaky grin on his face...

jerk and un true
:mad:

Loki

04-14-2003, 12:08 PM

I think from 91-on they got the v6 that went into the gti vr6 and the jetta v6. The 1990 had the supercharger, I don't know if you could still get that engine after 1990. So he might not have been lying.

Addict

04-14-2003, 01:42 PM

http://www.kutsujuracing.com/april.jpg (http://www.kutsujuracing.com)

Figured I'd post that one too. They do have the VR6 in them....

SilverCiv

04-14-2003, 02:01 PM

Yea I guessed you raced a Corrado. They did come SC'ed some years. Those things are quick, you were lucky

ford50forlife

04-14-2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by SilverCiv
Yea I guessed you raced a Corrado. They did come SC'ed some years. Those things are quick, you were lucky

the g60's were dogs, it was the stock 130 hp motor with a supercharger on it for a wopping 160hp, the vr6 would slay a g60 by all sense of the words.. they were about mid to high 15 second cars at best for the supercharged 4 putzer.

Forum8

04-29-2003, 12:27 PM

Man that corrado would've kicked your ass man. IMHO hondas don't even really match up to any degree when it comes to one of those german power machines. Also the G60 was 160 HP supercharged not 130. The ratios of hp torque and weight are almost flawless. Tons of power :yes: . Its a good thing that he didn't know how to drive yes, b/c you would've been one sorry man to have raced him... Have some fun telling that story though, b/c the next time you line up w/ one of them again w/ someone that knows how to drive it you might be thinking about getting one!!!!! :yes:

CorradoFan

04-29-2003, 12:29 PM

Someone pointed this thread out to me, I figured I'd reply, just to set a couple facts straight ;)

The VW Corrado was available worldwide from 1989 until 1995, and in the US from 1990 until 1994.

In the US, it was available in two forms - G60 and SLC. The G60 was sold from 1990 until midway through 1992, and the SLC was sold from mid 1992 until 1994. The G60 Corrado was the only car VW ever sold in America with the supercharged G60 engine, and the SLC was VW's first VR6 car in America. Elsewhere in the world, the Corrado was available with VW's plain 16v (136hp) and 8v (115) engines, and there were even a couple pretty rare limited edition models - the Storm in the UK, and the Jet in Germany.

The G60 makes 158 hp and 166 lbft stock at the crank, and the SLC (vr6 engine) makes 178 hp and 173 lbft stock at the crank.

The g60 engine has a g-lader style supercharger on it, which is a pretty old design (dating from the 1800's!) that only recently has been technologically feasible. The engine is intercooled and produces about 10 lbs of boost, stock.

The g60 engine is very easy to modify, $500 in upgrades can bring you near 190 wheel hp - a G60 with typical mods will easily be faster than an SLC - the G60 is easier to tune and weighs less, too. Also, the g60 Corrados have shorter gearing, and slightly better suspensions.

Stock, they're both more or less 15 second cars, and both can be in the 14's without much effort at all. Breaking into the 13's requires a fair amount of work on either car, though.

Some people mentioned the Scirocco - that was, in a sense, the precursor to the Corrado. The Corrado was never sold badged as a Scirocco, though they were sold side by side in Europe for the Corrado's first few years. Both the Scirocco and the Scirocco II were built on VW's A1 platform, whereas the Corrado is built on VW's A2 platform. They're both fairly rare VW's, though there were many more 'roccos build than Corrados. The 'rocco came with either a 8v motor or a 16v motor, the 16v version making 136 hp.

Someone also mentioned the G60 engine being "a supercharged version of the 130hp engine" - that's not really true. The "130hp" engine is VW's early 16v engine, which has almost nothing in common with the g60 engine. The g60 engine has 8 valves, and is in some ways similar to the early counterflow 8v engines on A1 and A2 VW's. A lot more was done than just slapping a supercharger on:

-different pistons
-block has oil squirters to cool off the pistons
-the exhaust valves are sodium filled
-compression ratio is different
-head is cast using a different (stronger) process
-throttle body is different
-cam is different
-fuel injection system is completely different (uses VW's proprietary digifant-1 injection, most other counterflow 8v's use Bosch mechanical CIS injection)
-obviously has a 'charger and all associated equipment - intercooler, boost recirc system, etc etc etc.

I'm sorry to hear you ran into a Corrado owner with an attitude, most Corrado people are pretty cool, respectful people. Since it's a fairly rare VW, they're usually found only in the hands of enthusiasts. Unfortunately, as with any car, as they get older they're getting a lot cheaper to buy, and thus they're starting to pop up in younger, less knowledgeable hands.

If you run into a Corrado in the future and are wondering which one it is, look for the SLC (or vr6) or G60 badging on the grille and on the hatch lid. And watch the back end when the car hits 45 mph or dips down below 12 mph. ;)

KrazeeKorrado13

04-29-2003, 12:39 PM

Im another Corrado owner...

I'll come the post-makers defense in saying he believes the Corrado would have won have the driver been able to handle it properly....

But for the rest of you, do your research before knocking the car.

corrado1.8t

04-29-2003, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by ford50forlife
the g60's were dogs, it was the stock 130 hp motor with a supercharger on it for a wopping 160hp, the vr6 would slay a g60 by all sense of the words.. they were about mid to high 15 second cars at best for the supercharged 4 putzer.

whoa now. it would seem that you all are well versed on the corrado.:rolleyes: just to set somthings straight.corrados came with a 158 bhp 1.8ltr supercharged 4 cyl from 1989 to late 91. then came the 2.8ltr VR6 in 92 to 95.

Obviously the kid you raced did not know how to drive. So consider yourself lucky to have won that one. Even a stock g60 can be very quick.

Now ford50forlife a g60 will out handle a vr6 anyday, specifcly becuase of the spring rates and front end weight, about 250 pounds less in the g60. believe me i have both cars and autoX them quite often. I assume you drive a modded 5.0 right? well i have taken many 5.0's in my 1.8ltr DOG. So be wary or you might get bite.;)

SolPol

04-29-2003, 12:43 PM

That wing comes up when you go below 12 too? Why?

I have a friend who has one of these. The cars are sick. One of the only VWs I would own. 'Rocco's are cool too.

You from vortex CorradoFan?

CorradoFan

04-29-2003, 12:45 PM

The wing goes up at 45, and down at 12. ;)

I am on Vortex, not on an identical user name though.

Addict

04-29-2003, 12:47 PM

Dang. Invasion of the Corrado owners. lol.... :D

CorradoFan

04-29-2003, 12:48 PM

Yeah, we spend hours trolling other people's forums looking for a chance to talk about our beloved cars. ;)

Actually, someone saw this post and posted about it in a Corrado forum, that's where we all came from.

Forum8

04-29-2003, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by CorradoFan
The wing goes up at 45, and down at 12. ;)

I am on Vortex, not on an identical user name though.

it goes up at 45 and down at 12 bc it can. of course now, all the honda guys are gonna want this for their monstrosities attached their trunk lid.

and, what is ur vortex username corradofan? i would love to meet you.

CorradoFan

04-29-2003, 12:50 PM

Oh cummon Greggy, isn't it obvious?

SolPol

04-29-2003, 12:54 PM

Down at 12, wierd.

SMI2710, from Vortex is a friend of mine though. Actually, he's sitting right behind me at work right now.

CorradoFan

04-29-2003, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by SolPol
Down at 12, wierd.

SMI2710, from Vortex is a friend of mine though. Actually, he's sitting right behind me at work right now.

Yeah, the "up when you go above 45" part is understandable, but 12 seems like an odd number for it to go down at, huh?

I don't know SMI2710, but there are 92,000 registered users on Vortex, so I guess the chances are low that I *would* know someone unless they hung in my particular forums.

CorradoFan

04-29-2003, 01:02 PM

PS - I just found your buddy's name on there and noticed that he has a 1986 GTi 8v. The engine in that car is the one I was talking about when I said "the g60 engine has some things in common with the early 8v counterflow engines."

SolPol

04-29-2003, 01:04 PM

His is pimp too man. It's the Beetle platinum gray they have.

CorradoFan

04-29-2003, 01:06 PM

I love that color, tell him I said good choice.

SolPol

04-29-2003, 01:13 PM

Cool. Looks really good on the mk2s.

ford50forlife

04-29-2003, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by corrado1.8t
whoa now. it would seem that you all are well versed on the corrado.:rolleyes: just to set somthings straight.corrados came with a 158 bhp 1.8ltr supercharged 4 cyl from 1989 to late 91. then came the 2.8ltr VR6 in 92 to 95.

Obviously the kid you raced did not know how to drive. So consider yourself lucky to have won that one. Even a stock g60 can be very quick.

Now ford50forlife a g60 will out handle a vr6 anyday, specifcly becuase of the spring rates and front end weight, about 250 pounds less in the g60. believe me i have both cars and autoX them quite often. I assume you drive a modded 5.0 right? well i have taken many 5.0's in my 1.8ltr DOG. So be wary or you might get bite.;)

oh... sorry did i diss the little car you drive ;(

too bad... i like my cars in the 14's stock... and the g60 doesnt impress me, the vr6 powered sibling does...

yes i do drive a mustang and i have outrun some paxton powered vr6's whats your point? any pile of shit can be made to go fast, mustangs, geos, tricycles and even the slow g60's<---- CAUSE STOCK THEY ARE SLOW i know a 1.3L suzuki swift that will do close to 120 trap speeds? does that change the earths rotation? nope...

you gonna bite me big man? how much did you throw in your car to get it to trap at 105mph huh? my total is 3K including car, thats on stock cam, stock unported heads, and restrictive tuning setup. id love to see a g60 do 105 traps with boltons... next month im shooting for mid 12's on stock heads and stock cam

all the mustangs you ran and beat means your a good driver if your car was stock.... most of the crustangs out there are ragged out with poor drivers. time has gotten to most, but to the enthusiasts out there, some have gotten into 13's with just catback and h-pipe...ESPECIALLY the 5.0's with the trunk's.. weighing in at under 3k curb weight stock is a hella advantage over the hatch variants..

proceed with your trolling, and remember to post some links about corrados now, lol, and if that fails fallback on the fact i drive a mustang.... that always works:cool:

ford50forlife

04-29-2003, 06:21 PM

Sorry you didnt like my post, but its funny how your the 4th group of carnuts to troll on one of my posts from out of nowhere. All because i dissed the forward capability of there car STOCK.... one was the probe gt's, one was the mazda mx-6's, one was the maxima drivers, now its the corrado nuts... guess what all your cars dont impress me and you aint gonna change it so dont bother responding cause your fighting a lost cause, if you think high 15's is fast then i guess your right then and dont need to argue.:)

next time ill remember to sugarcoat it:yes:

vwg60kid

04-29-2003, 07:10 PM

don't be hating on the G60... whether its slower than a 5.0 or not (it damn well better be its down 3.2L and 4 Cylinders)... not everyone wants a drag car...

(and yeah i am a g60 owner)

current project on the car is a t3/t4 hybrid turbo and x-flow head... and as soon as I get the cash together a quaife 6-speed close ratio tranny.)

here is an old photo of the car from maybe 1998 or so... only one i have hosted at the moment

http://users.rcn.com/ncurrier/imagehost/corrado.jpg

1990 Black on black leather...

tons of mods... but currently sitting due to blown charger and lack of cash

ford50forlife

04-29-2003, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by vwg60kid
don't be hating on the G60... whether its slower than a 5.0 or not (it damn well better be its down 3.2L and 4 Cylinders)... not everyone wants a drag car...

(and yeah i am a g60 owner)

current project on the car is a t3/t4 hybrid turbo and x-flow head... and as soon as I get the cash together a quaife 6-speed close ratio tranny.)

here is an old photo of the car from maybe 1998 or so... only one i have hosted at the moment

http://users.rcn.com/ncurrier/imagehost/corrado.jpg

1990 Black on black leather...

tons of mods... but currently sitting due to blown charger and lack of cash

sorry to burst your bubble brother, but i dont have to like the car, if i dont like it i will say it. and i dont like the anemic performance the supercharged g60 has to offer.... if you dont like mustangs fine, i could care less, all i know is that if you want straightline go and or all around performance nothing beats a older mustang dollar for dollar (psst there is a aftermarket for suspension too ! i bet i could go toe to toe with your in the turns ;) ) if you can get a g60 to dust a 5.0 i could care less, props.. but all i know is that im pretty sure of what im doing and itll be a little harder, hehe.

mass production and the span of 15+ years does wonderfull things to the variations of 1/4 times of these old beaters..

other than that i respect your building a decent ride, but when you say not everyone wants a drag car WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU PUT A TURBO ON IT WITH HEADWORK? obviously you like accelleration correct?

best of luck on the project as well bro, but i wouldnt pay for a g60 powered car ever, just my opinion i think they are overrated. id take any year 1.8 turbo over that powertrain. the supercharged 1.8 is too much money for too little gains..

G6660

04-29-2003, 07:48 PM

Yeah but Mustangs are like assholes, everyone's got one...

A Mustang out-handle a Corrado? :rolleyes:

Right...

... in Neverland perhaps.

A stock Corrado will hang with you in every turn even after you put all your money into aftermarket suspension and handling parts for your 'stang.

guywithastang

04-29-2003, 07:49 PM

I own a few mustangs and a beetle turbo S . I drive the bug when I want to cruze and I drive the stang when I want to stomp on unsuspecting German cars:bandit:

guywithastang

04-29-2003, 07:51 PM

G6660 must know absolutely nothing

vwg60kid

04-29-2003, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by ford50forlife
sorry to burst your bubble brother, but i dont have to like the car, if i dont like it i will say it. and i dont like the anemic performance the supercharged g60 has to offer.... if you dont like mustangs fine, i could care less, all i know is that if you want straightline go and or all around performance nothing beats a older mustang dollar for dollar (psst there is a aftermarket for suspension too ! i bet i could go toe to toe with your in the turns ;) ) if you can get a g60 to dust a 5.0 i could care less, props.. but all i know is that im pretty sure of what im doing and itll be a little harder, hehe.

mass production and the span of 15+ years does wonderfull things to the variations of 1/4 times of these old beaters..

other than that i respect your building a decent ride, but when you say not everyone wants a drag car WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU PUT A TURBO ON IT WITH HEADWORK? obviously you like accelleration correct?

best of luck on the project as well bro, but i wouldnt pay for a g60 powered car ever, just my opinion i think they are overrated. id take any year 1.8 turbo over that powertrain. the supercharged 1.8 is too much money for too little gains..

to be totally honest... yeah i like acceleration.. and yeah i love the g60 motor... (what can i say i am dilusional corrado fanatic.. i would rather own a rado over just about anything else some exotics included).. the reason for my upgrades or more alterations i should say is that the corrado has weak point just as any other car... two of them need attention on my car... supercharger blew a seal and detonated.. hence the turbo and if your gonna do it might as well do it right i always say... what the point in a half-assed job.... and my second gear synchros are totally shot (ultra common problem with dubs) and reverse gear is cracked... tranny needs to be out again... why not upgrade now instead of fix it again and then just wait for it to break again...

one thing that any corrado owner will tell you... you dont own a corrado and forget about it... you need to be devoted to taking care of it... because things will happen and happen often.... i guess it takes being a little crazy in the head to put up with it..

i guess its the same with stang owners too... its addicting...

(please exuse my aparent lack of ability to type english.. its been a long day and im exhausted)

here is a pretty sick rado for you to check out...
http://people.freenet.de/corradog60/gast_rauscher.htm

pdiggitydogg

04-29-2003, 08:58 PM

holy farkin shit...look at all the vw peeps
damn i started somthin with this one lol
glad to see that none of em are bein assholes (minus the burnt rice bit...tsk tsk tsk)
Of course none of em are probably gonna be avid posters (maybe here in the kill section (just like all you damn mustang owners when you first come on the site...then you realize that we're not all rice...we're enthusiasts too))
stick around fellas...youre more than welcome :yes: (as long as theres no honda bashin lol)

ford50forlife

04-29-2003, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by G6660
Yeah but Mustangs are like assholes, everyone's got one...

A Mustang out-handle a Corrado? :rolleyes:

Right...

... in Neverland perhaps.

A stock Corrado will hang with you in every turn even after you put all your money into aftermarket suspension and handling parts for your 'stang.

im simply appalled at the lack of knowledge in your head..... you near englishtown? they have an autox track there.

care to make a wager above 100 bucks to back up that claim? stock suspensioned corrado vs. my asshole mustang?

my info is listed in my profile, screename is daevolution on aim, hit me up

btw my car is equipped with a tubular k-frame, subframes, lower control arms, new sway bar + links, z-rates and drag radials that hug good, and ill swap my lakewood drag shocks for a nice pair of koni adjustables, up for a challenge asshole?:rolleyes:

ford50forlife

04-29-2003, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by vwg60kid
to be totally honest... yeah i like acceleration.. and yeah i love the g60 motor... (what can i say i am dilusional corrado fanatic.. i would rather own a rado over just about anything else some exotics included).. the reason for my upgrades or more alterations i should say is that the corrado has weak point just as any other car... two of them need attention on my car... supercharger blew a seal and detonated.. hence the turbo and if your gonna do it might as well do it right i always say... what the point in a half-assed job.... and my second gear synchros are totally shot (ultra common problem with dubs) and reverse gear is cracked... tranny needs to be out again... why not upgrade now instead of fix it again and then just wait for it to break again...

one thing that any corrado owner will tell you... you dont own a corrado and forget about it... you need to be devoted to taking care of it... because things will happen and happen often.... i guess it takes being a little crazy in the head to put up with it..

i guess its the same with stang owners too... its addicting...

(please exuse my aparent lack of ability to type english.. its been a long day and im exhausted)

here is a pretty sick rado for you to check out...
http://people.freenet.de/corradog60/gast_rauscher.htm

haha im a delusion mustang fan so its all good, and HELL YEA IM DEVOTED TO it, shit breaks every day! sux for the supercharger that ****ed everything up, but hey your tranny is just like the stangs, the t-5 is the weak point, i put a new input shaft housing on because my throwout bearing started to spin on it and cracked the reverse shifter rail in the process, the t-5's suck in general too, its barely working and i never powershift.... if i bang gears to hard i lose 1,3,5 and i have bang 2nd to get my gears back! (actually thats the mount but oh well).

its all cool though you seem like a pretty reasonable person... its just funny when people come on and make random statements to stir things up ;)

i wouldnt mind owning a vr6 corrado or a new 1.8t jetta with a chip catback and filter (HELLOOOOO 13's :) ) ill have to drive one to experience it..

im satisfied with a stang though, i bought the rolling chassis of a drag car and threw a stock 302 in with boltons... its a decent little whip, handles mint, gets 20mpg city (2640lbs still full interior and options), gets 4 banger insurance, and is decently fast, only thing is i dont like the way it looks. i like the gt's much better but there dogs.

i saw this one veedub next to me at the staging lanes of englishtown on a import vs. domestic meeting, and it was an older gti those little hatches with the bugeyes kinda, with a vr6 swap and t-3 turbo i bullshitted with him for a bit when i saw some low 12 runs with slicks out of it, and he was all cocky saying its detuned and hes going for 11's on a stock block, so i just laughed and said whatever...

low and behold the next import vs. domestic meeting he was there, and not only did he hit his goal, he went 10.80's all day on i believe 15-18psi on stock block with boltons and turbo :mad: ... those vr-6's respond hella well to hairdryers let me tell you

ford50forlife

04-29-2003, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
just like all you damn mustang owners when you first come on the site...then you realize that we're not all rice.

really? i coulda sworn i came on this site to ask svt cobra for a race, then shortly after i did this thread about giving respect to the underdog

http://www.hstuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8670&highlight=del+sol

oh well... actually i got labeled from day 1 on this site, even the moderaters were prodding my intentions... i think its the other way around... they have to test us to find out were not all hicks ;)

Victor Longo

04-30-2003, 07:05 AM

I'm a Corrado driver myself, although I might be getting a newer car which might be the Honda Prelude or Mitsubishi Galant ( I dig the front of the mitsubishi)

That put aside, I see Corradofan forgot to mention that Europe has a 2.9liter Corrado instead of the American 2.8liter.
It has 190hp and 181lbs/ft

Also the UK had 6 Corrados called Corrado Campaign with ugly red interior...

The rear spoiler can be changed to go up at different speeds... My old Corrado was german import and had the spoiler go up at 75mph which was cool on the highways (manual button was pressed many times)

CorradoFan

04-30-2003, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Victor Longo
I'm a Corrado driver myself, although I might be getting a newer car which might be the Honda Prelude or Mitsubishi Galant ( I dig the front of the mitsubishi)

Good luck with whatever car you choose. Corrados are getting borderline old, and as with any older rare-ish European car, the maintenance costs can be big. I've been buying/driving a number of different cars over the last few years in order to relegate my Corrado to a more or less permenant "project" status.

That put aside, I see Corradofan forgot to mention that Europe has a 2.9liter Corrado instead of the American 2.8liter.
It has 190hp and 181lbs/ft

Also the UK had 6 Corrados called Corrado Campaign with ugly red interior...

I didn't want to get *too* complicated in my very first post here. ;) (or so my excuse goes - in reality I'm just a forgetful bastard who was trying to write something quick off the top of my head, and thus left out some details.) It's great to bump into another knowledgeable Corrado person on the net though.

Addict

04-30-2003, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by G6660
Yeah but Mustangs are like assholes, everyone's got one...

Wow. I think you're the first one to come up with that one. :rolleyes:

Anymore words of wisdom?

Racing Rice

04-30-2003, 12:17 PM

A friend of mine just bought a Corrado after he totaled his yellow S/C VR6 GTI. Its a pretty sweet car. I have always like the Rados.

PD.. You got hella lucky dude!:yes:

ShEaNy

04-30-2003, 03:19 PM

wow the Vw boys ran in here like flies on shit for this one lol:o :o :o

guywithastang

04-30-2003, 03:40 PM

We must take arms and defend the castle. LONG LIVE THE KING!

CorradoFan

05-01-2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by CorradoG60
you can buy honda's a dime a dozen not vw also you guys take so much pride in you slow ass cars and don't realize it's still a honda. if you ever wanna race bring on

Dude, take a chill pill. That's not a very positive attitude to have when we (Corrado people, that is) are guests on someone else's forums.

CorradoFan

05-01-2003, 03:37 PM

215whp you not only run some shitty times but musta spent a helluva lot to get there considering you got ~160 crank hp..

Actually, +/- 200 WHP is about a grand away in a well-running g60. Just FYI, not trying to be argumentitive. :thumbup:

AJ1978TA

05-01-2003, 03:38 PM

Dude most VW's are in the same class as hondas............Pot calls kettle black and tells him to be more original................:|

ford50forlife

05-01-2003, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by CorradoFan
Actually, +/- 200 WHP is about a grand away in a well-running g60. Just FYI, not trying to be argumentitive. :thumbup:

um exactly.. a grand lol... and even thats pushing it, you talking about a chip, pulley intake catback er sumthing?

lol a grand is a lot, my cars got about a grand in the motor (putting 500 into it since i only fix shit when it breaks) and im going for mid to low 12's

not trying to start shit but im interested to learn more about the g60's aftermarket and pricing.

CorradoFan

05-01-2003, 03:43 PM

lol a grand is a lot, my cars got about a grand in the motor (putting 500 into it since i only fix shit when it breaks) and im going for mid to low 12's [/B]

And in the world of VW's, a grand is pennies for that much improvement. ;) We're just coming from different backgrounds. Other than the 20 valve 1.8T, the g60 is probably the most flexible and tuneable watercooled motor that VW has ever made.

Specific modifications to get you there would be something along the lines of a chip, smaller charger pulley, cam upgrade, higher pressure FPR, and about $500 to spend on your choice of other stuff - head work, exhaust, different intercooler, etc.

ford50forlife

05-01-2003, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by CorradoFan
And in the world of VW's, a grand is pennies for that much improvement. ;) We're just coming from different backgrounds. Other than the 20 valve 1.8T, the g60 is probably the most flexible and tuneable watercooled motor that VW has ever made.

Specific modifications to get you there would be something along the lines of a chip, smaller charger pulley, cam upgrade, higher pressure FPR, and about $500 to spend on your choice of other stuff - head work, exhaust, different intercooler, etc.

thats cool... i love the 1.8's chip intake and catback have netted some 13's off the rip... the g60 on the other hand ive never quite been impressed with the times they pull, and btw i thought chips for veedubs were expensive?

u telling me a cam, charger pully, chip, and fpr is <500

CorradoFan

05-01-2003, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by ford50forlife
thats cool... i love the 1.8's chip intake and catback have netted some 13's off the rip... the g60 on the other hand ive never quite been impressed with the times they pull, and btw i thought chips for veedubs were expensive?

u telling me a cam, charger pully, chip, and fpr is <500

Yep. You can get a "stage IV" kit for a g60 motor for about $500, and that will include a chip, cam, fpr, pulley, and some other good stuff too. That'll put you at maybe 180 hp at the wheels, and the other $500 in stuff will get you near 200.

Considering that these cars dyno at about 135 hp to the wheels stock, IMHO 65 whp for a grand isn't too bad.

Tons of people are not impressed by the g60 motor, in a way it's too bad - very understandable though, there's *very* little information about them available, yet there's an incredibly fanatical almost underground following for them. They're potent in the right hands, but take some special knowledge and care that the average VW guy wouldn't have.

Edit - and the other big reason why people don't know a lot about g60's is that they've really only taken off in the last few years. 3 out of the 4 current most important g60 tuners didn't exist two years ago.

CorradoFan

05-01-2003, 03:53 PM

btw i thought chips for veedubs were expensive?

Depends on what VW you're talking about. The best g60 chips out there can be had for $50.

Whereas if you're looking for a good 1.8T chip, you're probably going to spend a few hundred.

They do pretty different things though. The g60 chip is just controlling fuel and spark maps, whereas today's average 1.8t chip is also handling a lot of other management tasks, and working with a much more complicated management system. so the extra cost is justified.

ford50forlife

05-01-2003, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by CorradoFan
Yep. You can get a "stage IV" kit for a g60 motor for about $500, and that will include a chip, cam, fpr, pulley, and some other good stuff too. That'll put you at maybe 180 hp at the wheels, and the other $500 in stuff will get you near 200.

Considering that these cars dyno at about 135 hp to the wheels stock, IMHO 65 whp for a grand isn't too bad.

Tons of people are not impressed by the g60 motor, in a way it's too bad - very understandable though, there's *very* little information about them available, yet there's an incredibly fanatical almost underground following for them. They're potent in the right hands, but take some special knowledge and care that the average VW guy wouldn't have.

hey bro thanks for the info, its glad to see some people come on here not to troll and throw around extreme numbers, but to offer some useful insight... im always up to learn more about the opposition:bandit:

and 65whp is pretty damn good

http://www.autotech.com/qchip.htm

yea autotech has some kits for it, i wonder if these come with the gaskets for the cam install though, and i really wouldnt leave a stock valvetrain with upgraded cam ;)

CorradoFan

05-01-2003, 03:58 PM

yea autotech has some kits for it, i wonder if these come with the gaskets for the cam install though, and i really wouldnt leave a stock valvetrain with upgraded cam ;)

One last post before I log off. :D

Autotech's kits are extremely old skool in the g60 world, they're like so 20th century. :yes: Nothing against them though.

And the g60's valvetrain is way more than durable/light enough to handle the types of aftermarket cams that most people are going to put on them.

Once you get past the typical "mild" cams most people use on a g60 - the types of cams that would require valvetrain upgrades, you're gonna be into a cam with a fair amount of overlap. And overlap on a forced induction engine isn't a good thing, since you're just gonna blow all your boost out the exhaust and loose a lot of low end power for a small gain up top.

So you're basically limited to mild cams, unless you're doing some sort of crazy all out race motor.

ford50forlife

05-01-2003, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by CorradoFan
Depends on what VW you're talking about. The best g60 chips out there can be had for $50.

Whereas if you're looking for a good 1.8T chip, you're probably going to spend a few hundred.

They do pretty different things though. The g60 chip is just controlling fuel and spark maps, whereas today's average 1.8t chip is also handling a lot of other management tasks, and working with a much more complicated management system. so the extra cost is justified.

50 beans? thats hella cheap.

yea some company like abt er sumthing made a chip i was looking at for my boys stock 1.8t jetta and it was outrageous.

ford50forlife

05-01-2003, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by CorradoFan
One last post before I log off. :D

Autotech's kits are extremely old skool in the g60 world, they're like so 20th century. :yes: Nothing against them though.

And the g60's valvetrain is way more than durable/light enough to handle the types of aftermarket cams that most people are going to put on them.

Once you get past the typical "mild" cams most people use on a g60 - the types of cams that would require valvetrain upgrades, you're gonna be into a cam with a fair amount of overlap. And overlap on a forced induction engine isn't a good thing, since you're just gonna blow all your boost out the exhaust and loose a lot of low end power for a small gain up top.

So you're basically limited to mild cams, unless you're doing some sort of crazy all out race motor.

ah... thanks for enlightening an old n/a pushrod dinosaur like meself ;)

SaintVR6

05-01-2003, 11:21 PM

here's some info about the Volkswagen Corrado (in a nutshell)

The Corrado was introduced in Europe back in '88 1/2 first in europe with only the 2.0L 16v (approx. 145 hp give or take +/-10 hp). It was assembled right next to it's older sibling the Scirocco for about a year in Germany. The USDM spec Corrado was brought in fresh from Germany in '90 with only the G60 motor. The G60 was a 1.8L supercharged motor. The supercharged four cylinder had many design flaws from the start. One of many was the materials used in the "G-lader" was plastic ball bearings the weakess rubberbands for belts and many other things and the traditional wiring problems that was common on all german imports. VW decided to used the Lancia designed 15degree 6 cylinder known as the VR6. It wasn't the only awkword motor that VW has ever put into it's cars. The quantum/passat back in the '80s had a VR5 with was only available with awd/"syncro".

The exterior differences when VW switched motors from the G60 to the VR6 was the slight buldge in the front part of the hood to properly house the VR6 motor. The grille was changed and the width of the front end of the car has been widen a few inches. the four lug wheels where switched to five lug. More infor to come when it hits me...

CorradoFan

05-02-2003, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by SaintVR6
here's some info about the Volkswagen Corrado (in a nutshell)

The Corrado was introduced in Europe back in '88 1/2 first in europe with only the 2.0L 16v (approx. 145 hp give or take +/-10 hp). It was assembled right next to it's older sibling the Scirocco for about a year in Germany. The USDM spec Corrado was brought in fresh from Germany in '90 with only the G60 motor. The G60 was a 1.8L supercharged motor. The supercharged four cylinder had many design flaws from the start. One of many was the materials used in the "G-lader" was plastic ball bearings the weakess rubberbands for belts and many other things and the traditional wiring problems that was common on all german imports. VW decided to used the Lancia designed 15degree 6 cylinder known as the VR6. It wasn't the only awkword motor that VW has ever put into it's cars. The quantum/passat back in the '80s had a VR5 with was only available with awd/"syncro".

The exterior differences when VW switched motors from the G60 to the VR6 was the slight buldge in the front part of the hood to properly house the VR6 motor. The grille was changed and the width of the front end of the car has been widen a few inches. the four lug wheels where switched to five lug. More infor to come when it hits me...

Hold on there partner. :D No component of the g60 engine has ever had plastic ball bearings. ;) The g60 is a fragile supercharger, but has no "plastic" inside it anywhere. I don't know if you literally meant "plastic" or not, but I don't want anyone to be mislead.

The Corrado was first sold in Europe near the end of 88, but as an 89 model, not an 88.5. Also, the 16v engine it started with (in Europe) had 136 hp, not 145. In some European countries in 1990 and 1991, it only had 129 hp, due to having a catalytic converter.

Also, the vr6 was not a Lancia design. It was designed in-house by VW, borrowing some technology from various partners. The first prototypes were developed in the 80's, and were 2.4 litres with 24 valves. They were called "RV6" in their developmental stages. They ditched the 24v head because of overheating problems and replaced it with the 12v head, and upped the displacement to 2.8 litres (or 2.9 for Europe) to make up for the power lost in switching to 12 valves.

The name VR6 refers to the narrow-angle design - R stands for the german word "Reihenmotor," meaning "inline motor;" and V stands for "V." (duh!) Thus, the VR6 is a "V inline motor."

Also, the vr5 motor came *after* the vr6, not before. The 5 cylinder motor you're thinking of was an *inline* 5 cylinder 10 valve motor borrowed from Audi - that's the motor that was in the Quantum (Passat) Synchros in the 80's. The vr5 is only a few years old, and is only available in Europe, on the MkIV (Golf and Jetta) platform - it's a completely different beast from the inline 5 in the Quantums from the 80's. And that inline 5 motor was a design that Audi more or less built off of VW's own 8-valve 4 cylinder designs, just with an extra cylinder stuck on the end.

(Technical specs for the vr6 taken from VW's Service Training Self Study Program # 402, part number WSP52140200.)

CorradoFan

05-02-2003, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by ford50forlife
ah... thanks for enlightening an old n/a pushrod dinosaur like meself ;)

Anytime. ;) I know very little about Amurrrican muscle, but I've got lots of friends who are in to it educating me on a daily basis. Every time I learn something about it though, I think "Maaan, that's waaay different than what I'm used to!"

Racing Rice

05-02-2003, 09:04 AM

CorradoFan, thanks for sharing your knowledge. Its nice to have outsiders come in and share the info they know instead of flaming everything. For this we all truely appreciate people like you.

Hopefully you cruise these boards from time to time and not forget about us. ;)

pdiggitydogg

05-02-2003, 09:13 AM

ahh..."These pipes....ARE CLEAN!!"
(the thread has been cleaned of unwanted, immature crap)

SolPol

05-02-2003, 12:22 PM

Yeah, if you want to spend the majority of the time in your garage, trying to figure out what's wrong with your car, then VW is the way to go. :yes:

SaintVR6

05-02-2003, 01:40 PM

CorradoFan

05-02-2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by SaintVR6
Damn I guess I was wrong with just about everything I said. oh well...

lol, you were a lot closer to the mark than plenty of other people. :D

pdiggitydogg

05-05-2003, 12:23 PM

YAY guess what...there are a ton of corrados in town now...all owned by these punk ass kids that think theyre badasses (a total of 4 new ones (besides the one that I beat)). (yeah they're new to town...still have the paper plates in the windows)

They all cruise around together it seems and do nothing but taunt people...EVERYBODY. It doesnt matter what the other car is. I even saw one kid revving on a corvette z06...

OH, and since I beat the one kid...they all want to race me...daily. So far Ive been able to "give the appropriate gesture" and ignore their dumbasses...but one day I know I'll take the bait...and I probably wont win the next time...

When you corrado guys read this...if you know people from around Oakland County, Michigan (mostly Lake Orion) from your boards...tell them to grow up...

SolPol

05-05-2003, 12:32 PM

Good luck with that.

pdiggitydogg

05-05-2003, 12:46 PM

eh if they keep it up I'll just have to borrow the silverado (8.1L...this fawker hauls major ass (beaten several mustang gts)
or maybe just take out a loan for my b18c and turbo :D jk

SolPol

05-05-2003, 12:48 PM

I like the last option :yes:

pdiggitydogg

05-05-2003, 01:05 PM

lol nah...Im almost there...probably by the end of summer I will be able to order the c from hmo

SolPol

05-05-2003, 01:07 PM

That would rule.

Netrisk032

06-02-2003, 03:05 PM

yo man you got this shizat all wrong. the original image he posted was a scirroco 16v. and let me tell you you are lucky to win that one. my good friend has one with some mods and it can keep up older m3s. quick

Addict

06-02-2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Netrisk032
yo man you got this shizat all wrong. the original image he posted was a scirroco 16v. and let me tell you you are lucky to win that one. my good friend has one with some mods and it can keep up older m3s. quick
He said it was the Corrado, not the Scirocco. Read all the posts. The first image was the only thing he could find.

pdiggitydogg

06-02-2003, 08:55 PM

no it was actually the first thing that I found that was remotely similar :D

but yes, it was a corrado

nonovurbizniz

06-02-2003, 09:59 PM

I haven't read the whole thread but....

my buddy had a corado with the g60 and he put on a pulley and computer (maybe injectors too) and it was REDICULOUS fast...

the vr6's are supposed to be faster out of the box from what I hear though...

his was really quick though it ran 8-12psi I think... I only saw him take off the opposite direction but he chirped 3rd at light throttle going straight... he had only gotten it like a week before (had been looking for one since the last time I saw him 5 years ago.) and got the pulleys and ecu (or chip) within a week... said it was NUTS... but he was also a HUGE vw freak and from my experience they ALL seem to overestimate their cars WAY more than honda owners.