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OPAKRACING
03-22-2003, 10:48 PM
What would be some good import cars with lots of potential, but my insurance won't be through the roof?

I'm lookn for very good potential....like...skyline potential possibly :rolleyes:

any help would be appreciated...i want to get a fast car this time... :yes:

TeriyakiBroccoli
03-22-2003, 10:56 PM
a civic.

TeriyakiBroccoli
03-22-2003, 10:57 PM
^

I kid u not.

OPAKRACING
03-22-2003, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by TeriyakiBroccoli
a civic.

A stock d16a (correct the code if its worng) engine?

c'mon guys, for reals, the civic engine aint' no 6 cylander like a skyline, or doens't have 300 horses stock likee the STi.

OPAKRACING
03-22-2003, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by TeriyakiBroccoli
^

I kid u not.

esplain... :confused:

TeriyakiBroccoli
03-22-2003, 10:59 PM
Um. did I say leave the stock d16 in there? :P

what i mean when i say "i kid u not" means.. I'm not joking.

OPAKRACING
03-22-2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by TeriyakiBroccoli
Um. did I say leave the stock d16 in there? :P

what i mean when i say "i kid u not" means.. I'm not joking.

yea, i know that....lol

yea, dont' leave the engine in there, but thats more trouble than i wanna go through, and mroe money too :(

i want a stock car with lotsa potential, and when i say stock car, i mean the engine thats supposedd to be in that car. heh

TeriyakiBroccoli
03-22-2003, 11:08 PM
heres a basic guideline when factoring in insurance liability costs..

the more power, the smaller the body, the more "attention grabbing color", the more money.

Its an inverse relationship.. for example.

the less power, the larger the body (say, 4 door), the more boring the color (say white.), the less money.

A civic has a lot of potential, but then again so do most cars.

You will not be able to afford the car + insurance .. considering the type of car you are "looking to get"

.. whats wrong with your car now?

other than the wing. haha jk.

Keep your car, save, swap it, turbo, nitrous, whatever.. It'll still come up cheaper than selling your car, getting a new one (or different), and paying for insurance.

OPAKRACING
03-22-2003, 11:14 PM
If somone told you they were gunna buy you a car for nothing in return, i think you'd take advantage of the situation, and the civic can never be as fast as an STi, or a skyline, or a supra, or an RX-8, or a lot of other cars...i'm wanna know what cars have a lot of potential, but the insurance won't be outta hand, the mazda rx-8 has four doors...lolm yea :cool:

pdiggitydogg
03-22-2003, 11:32 PM
240sx...integra...CIVIC...see the problem is you cant have cheap ins. rates and have performance at the same time...best bet by far is to get a 5th gen civic hatch and then drop in a b18c in there and run all motor for super reliability or just a tiny bit of boost

OPAKRACING
03-22-2003, 11:47 PM
Hrm, i guess its back to the ol' RSX type-s...its not too bad, but its front wheel drive :no:

OPAKRACING
03-22-2003, 11:49 PM
is ther some way i could make it a RD? even if it took 20,000 bucks, heh

nonovurbizniz
03-23-2003, 12:07 AM
OMG I can't believe this is the best advice anyone has come up with...

Get a talon tsi or eclipse gsx... stock they'll ROAST ANY honda swap or pimp juiced d16... b18 for that matter..

Put 1-6k into it and you'll have either (1k) a REALLY fast street car.. or (6k) THE MOST REDICULOUS CAR EVER...

those things have REAL potential... a civic... please... fwd sucks even if you get power you gunna have problems getting it to the ground.

For 10k you could buy a used talon and have it built to the hilt. And have a WAY faster car than 25k put into a civic.

The insurane isn't THAT high on them.. not like a supra or a 300z.

other than that your pretty much out of luck... you want 6cyl. power you have to get a 6cyl SPORTS car... and that's not gunna be easy on the wallet, or the insurance.

If you want ground pounding power with low insurance go with a domestic like a GrandNat... they have pretty low insurance especially if you just say you have a buick regal.

nonovurbizniz
03-23-2003, 12:13 AM
oh and I forgot if your looking for 4 bangers with potential... screw honda... older nissan ser's come with a 2.0 liter block that's turboed in japan. Companies like Jim wolf and stillen offer TONS of upgrades for those that will get you just as if not faster than a civic with a swap... and they come with lsd so no having to hunt down a jdm or type r tranny.

Also they handle UNBELIEVABLY... I had an E (1.6 dohc) I had cams in it and some other stuff and it was REALLY fast WAY faster than my civic. I have paced a mustang 5.0 upto 3rd gear and consistantly BEAT on a friend of mines older brother with a non-vtec integra.

And that was all with the 1.6 not the 2.0... the 2.0 is supposed to be a night and day difference over the 1.6.

Oh ya and they (like any well engineered performance car) come with timing CHAINS not belts so... no snappage and no changing that bad boy for a LONG time (I've seen a maxima with 300k plus with a stock chain).

the 92-94 or 5 ser's are the shit and NOBODY has them or mods them too much you'll stand out and be original for gods sake.

nonovurbizniz
03-23-2003, 12:17 AM
the 2.0 is the sr20de motor the only differences between it and the sr20det (think silva) are:

The DET has oil squirter piston coolers
The DET has a bigger oil pump.
The DET has a different front pulley.
The DET has lower compression pistons (8.3:1 vs 9.5:1).
The DET has bigger injectors.
The DET has direct ignition.
The DET has a variable intake cam, runs retarded at idle, advanced mid range and retarded top end.
The DET has mechanical shim in bucket type lifters with a slightly bigger in duration exhaust cam.

The GTi-R DET has individual Throttle body injection.
The GTi-R DET has stronger main cap bolts.
The GTi-R DET has beefier rods.

Just about all the parts between a DET and a DE interchange.

ChrisCantSkate
03-23-2003, 12:36 AM
well, your asking for a dream car. fast stock car with low insurance... try again. for handling and performance potential you NEED rwd. fwd will only get you so far, and it will be more expensive. if you really want potential get a ae86 (corolla GT-S). they have droped a very large amount of engines in them, and they handle SO DAMN WELL. honestly that IS your best option. the 240sx can be made into a BEAST with a sr20det or turbocharging the stock engine(twin cam KA only, so 91+) the older rx7 turbo2's are another very nice car that shouldnt kill you on insurance. those 3 cars can be found cheap, the 240 and corolla both under 2000 and the turbo2 under 5. with a total bill of 10k you will have a very well handling car with good power. the rx7 motor would be a good idea to have the apex seals replaced and turbos checked as your first investment, then you can count on reliablity, even though the FC's(2nd gen 8?-92) are more reliable than the FD's (93-96). the awd talon/eclipes cars are nice, its just the 4g63 is a problematic car unless the engine is built and the drivetrain is strengthened. im not saying that cause ive herd, im saying it cause ive seen.

oh and i could beat stock gsx/awd tsi's stock vs. stock

nonovurbizniz
03-23-2003, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
the rx7 motor would be a good idea to have the apex seals replaced and turbos checked as your first investment, then you can count on reliablity, even though the FC's(2nd gen 8?-92) are more reliable than the FD's (93-96). the awd talon/eclipes cars are nice, its just the 4g63 is a problematic car unless the engine is built and the drivetrain is strengthened. im not saying that cause ive herd, im saying it cause ive seen.

oh and i could beat stock gsx/awd tsi's stock vs. stock

A reliable turbo rx-7... I'd love to see that...

And I'm not gunna call bs on the stock you vs. stock tsi but... My buddy had a TOTALLY stock tsi that consistantly ROASTED everything he went up against including lightly modded 5.0's. I've ridden in it and others (others were not as nice as his) and if it weren't for the fact that I took a ride in my buddies RX-7 the other day I would say it's the best handling car I've EVER been in. Including porsche's, nsx's, etc etc...

with the exception of another friends built to shit mustang (351 W built for nitros & turbo) it was also the fastest.

However I will concede that they ARE a problem ridden car... but that's just because they're turbo and people don't know how to care for or drive turbo cars. they just tool on them and shut them off leading to turbo problems.. and they have CRAPPY heads. I knew one kid who went through 3 new heads (all new valves springs etc..). And the second owner had it for a month before after starting it and attempting to leave his driveway he heard a clunk and there it has sat since.

you can easily pick up a talon for 900-2000 even with a realatively small budget of 10k that leaves you with TONS of options and the ability to end up with a MUCH faster car than any of the other options (imo). You spend 7-9k on bushur parts for that car and IT WILL FLY.

That or get a good ol' 5.0 they've got potential like noone's bizniz. and the insurance isn't a KILLER.

ChrisCantSkate
03-23-2003, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
A reliable turbo rx-7... I'd love to see that...

And I'm not gunna call bs on the stock you vs. stock tsi but... My buddy had a TOTALLY stock tsi that consistantly ROASTED everything he went up against including lightly modded 5.0's. I've ridden in it and others (others were not as nice as his) and if it weren't for the fact that I took a ride in my buddies RX-7 the other day I would say it's the best handling car I've EVER been in. Including porsche's, nsx's, etc etc...

with the exception of another friends built to shit mustang (351 W built for nitros & turbo) it was also the fastest.

However I will concede that they ARE a problem ridden car... but that's just because they're turbo and people don't know how to care for or drive turbo cars. they just tool on them and shut them off leading to turbo problems.. and they have CRAPPY heads. I knew one kid who went through 3 new heads (all new valves springs etc..). And the second owner had it for a month before after starting it and attempting to leave his driveway he heard a clunk and there it has sat since.

you can easily pick up a talon for 900-2000 even with a realatively small budget of 10k that leaves you with TONS of options and the ability to end up with a MUCH faster car than any of the other options (imo). You spend 7-9k on bushur parts for that car and IT WILL FLY.

That or get a good ol' 5.0 they've got potential like noone's bizniz. and the insurance isn't a KILLER.

just so you know, i have a 4th gen prelude with a h22 in it.

a reliable rx7... do you know what causes them to be unreliable? the FD's had cooling problems and the apex seals get weak fast if you beat on the engine. that is why i said that you need to replace them to make it more reliable. the DSMs are nice cars, but a vast majority of people modding them do not build the engine, and with bolt ons and bumped boost, they run into problems fast, and the drive train(awd one) does not like alot of power stock. a built DSM is deadly though, cause it is basicaly an american evo5-6 (same engine, same drive train, same basic weight)

wheresmylicense
03-23-2003, 12:50 PM
dood, civics are light as hell... so if you leave the engine in there and add stuff like exhaust, intake, headers, spark plugs, park plug wires... you could eventually have yourself a close to 200 hp civic, and that thing would freakin rocket...

pdiggitydogg
03-23-2003, 01:02 PM
see yeah of course you can suggest older dsm but their tendency for crank walk is too scary for me

ebpda9
03-23-2003, 01:06 PM
hmmm that's a tough question. as much as i hate nissan cars i think the skyline looks sweet and i wouldn't mind sporting one. i'd say a wrx will be a nice car for waht you want or look into an older 2.5 rs turbo. those things are mean and handling is top notch.


<----Subaru fan

ChrisCantSkate
03-23-2003, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
see yeah of course you can suggest older dsm but their tendency for crank walk is too scary for me
its the newer DSM's than have the crank walk problem

ChrisCantSkate
03-23-2003, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by wheresmylicense
dood, civics are light as hell... so if you leave the engine in there and add stuff like exhaust, intake, headers, spark plugs, park plug wires... you could eventually have yourself a close to 200 hp civic, and that thing would freakin rocket... \what is your definition of a rocket? and honestly, im done wit hdtrait line speed, i want to fly around turns now. lateral g's are so much more fun than getting thrown back in my seat

OPAKRACING
03-23-2003, 03:31 PM
What do you guys think of the Lexus IS?


Keep in mind guys, that this car is free...so, i wanna ty to get the best car i can, and i want a new car...

decisions decisions :rolleyes:

maybe i can buy the lexus IS, and drop an old skyline engine into it, so it has the potential for twin turbos? :yes:

i dunno, i'm glad i have all of you guys to help me make this decision. hehe

OPAKRACING
03-23-2003, 04:03 PM
So, i guess what i'm sayn, is i want a rear drive, japanese car, with good potential...not a 240 sx, cause my best friends got one of those...i can't copy, hehe. and i wanna try for a new car while i got the chance for it to be free, ya know.

TeriyakiBroccoli
03-23-2003, 04:04 PM
Ok though you all make good points, hes talking about keeping insurance down low.

I've already got a quote from various insurance companies, farmers, AAA, etc.. and the cheapest I've seen is on a civic. Of course various other factors come into play like color, record, location, but generally civics come down pretty low.

240sx nice car to swap, but with age comes higher insurance.. if no coverage at all.

OPAKRACING
03-23-2003, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by OPAKRACING
So, i guess what i'm sayn, is i want a rear drive, japanese car, with good potential...not a 240 sx, cause my best friends got one of those...i can't copy, hehe. and i wanna try for a new car while i got the chance for it to be free, ya know.

front drive bad=civic bad, bah.... :o

cashizslick
03-23-2003, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by OPAKRACING
esplain... :confused:

Dude, civics are cheap to buy - and they are easy to modify. Just think, if you want real potential outta a honda, all you need is a turbo B18C5 setup and your golden.

cashizslick
03-23-2003, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by OPAKRACING
front drive bad=civic bad, bah.... :o

So just get a 240, a Silvia S14 front/rear end, and a SR20DET motor.

nonovurbizniz
03-23-2003, 05:50 PM
Chris-
As far as RX-7's being unreliable JUST because of the apex seals is rediculous... I told my buddy (with a turbo II) about your post and he cracked up before I told him about my (poking fun) response. They are RIDDLED with problems electrical... computer... suspension... TONS of problems WAY more than the admittadly problematic talon/eclipse. My whole point of the talon was with extra money PRE alloted to rebuild just about the entire drive train with buschur parts... this would yield Low- a 13-14 sec 7000 dollar nasty car OR High- a 9 second 10-20000 dollar car.

wheresmylicense-
A. civics ARE NOT LIGHT my buddies 70 Impala weighs all of 1000 lbs more than my EX and has a 400 C.I. engine..
200 Hp from bolt ons on a civic???? I'm not even going to justify that with a reaming. Even with 200 whp a civic would get smacked up and down by a talon with the same money put into it....(given enitial cost and cost of upgrades).

Pdiggity-
chris already straighten you out. that's second gen... and even then I was recommending getting a buschur set up so that's fixed even if it were 2nd gen.

Cashslick-

he said no 240... and a used talon 1st gen will never cost as much as a civic.

OPAK-

The IS engine is just as suitable for turbo as is. People turbo them ALL the time I'm not sure exactly what 3liter is in it but it's from there sports car... I think it's the inline six from the supra... Plus it's 3.0 instead of the skyline 2.4... and swapping that in would be a FULLY custom job... plus the skyline is AWD and the lexus is not good luck making that fit. If you want to stick RWD then an RX-7 is worth looking into but BE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTING INTO. My friend is on the brink of tears weekly because of his car and it's issues... go to some of the rx-7 forums you'll see what I'm talking about. You'll love it but it'll make you work for your fun.

Other than that I don't know what to tell ya.. If your looking for something new and nice like a lexus IS then sh1t I'd say go for it.

pdiggitydogg
03-23-2003, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
its the newer DSM's than have the crank walk problem

yeah 2nd gen eclipse

OPAKRACING
03-23-2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by cashizslick
Dude, civics are cheap to buy - and they are easy to modify. Just think, if you want real potential outta a honda, all you need is a turbo B18C5 setup and your golden.

if you do the b18 swap into the civ, then ya gotta change other things too...i'm pretty sure...

OPAKRACING
03-23-2003, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
OPAK-

The IS engine is just as suitable for turbo as is. People turbo them ALL the time I'm not sure exactly what 3liter is in it but it's from there sports car... I think it's the inline six from the supra... Plus it's 3.0 instead of the skyline 2.4... and swapping that in would be a FULLY custom job... plus the skyline is AWD and the lexus is not good luck making that fit. If you want to stick RWD then an RX-7 is worth looking into but BE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTING INTO. My friend is on the brink of tears weekly because of his car and it's issues... go to some of the rx-7 forums you'll see what I'm talking about. You'll love it but it'll make you work for your fun.

I wanna new car.

nonovurbizniz
03-23-2003, 11:02 PM
So it takes till the 3rd page of the post to tell us you want a NEW car?????

HOW MUCH MONEY.

I would suggest the Infinity G35 a 350 Z a RX-8 Lexus IS300 etc.. etc... etc... there all RWD all sport and will ALL probobly kick you in the nuts as far as insurance.

As far as you finding some "red herring" that is a rocket ship that has station wagon insurance rates... it's just not gunna happen.

OPAKRACING
03-23-2003, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
So it takes till the 3rd page of the post to tell us you want a NEW car?????

HOW MUCH MONEY.

I would suggest the Infinity G35 a 350 Z a RX-8 Lexus IS300 etc.. etc... etc... there all RWD all sport and will ALL probobly kick you in the nuts as far as insurance.

As far as you finding some "red herring" that is a rocket ship that has station wagon insurance rates... it's just not gunna happen.

Originally posted by OPAKRACING
If somone told you they were gunna buy you a car for nothing in return, i think you'd take advantage of the situation, and the civic can never be as fast as an STi, or a skyline, or a supra, or an RX-8, or a lot of other cars...i'm wanna know what cars have a lot of potential, but the insurance won't be outta hand, the mazda rx-8 has four doors...lolm yea :cool:

I told ya on the first page, hehe.

yea, new....wtf is the infinity web site page? i can't find it on any search engines :(

OPAKRACING
03-23-2003, 11:11 PM
oh wait, it doesn't say new anywhere in that post...haha, nvm then...

yes, iw ant it new :-P

ShEaNy
03-23-2003, 11:23 PM
who is buying u this car since its free....if ur getting a civic......keep urs....swap engine...turbo....ur flying......skyline would be nice....TT supra maybe...85 civic with a B20 bottom and B18 head with 20 psi of boost LOL (my freinds old plan for his car until he wrote it off) thing weighs about 2500lbs or less i bet......
heh whatever u want man........

OPAKRACING
03-23-2003, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by sheany_91accord
who is buying u this car since its free....if ur getting a civic......keep urs....swap engine...turbo....ur flying......skyline would be nice....TT supra maybe...85 civic with a B20 bottom and B18 head with 20 psi of boost LOL (my freinds old plan for his car until he wrote it off) thing weighs about 2500lbs or less i bet......
heh whatever u want man........

.....New! DAMN IT! NEW NEW NEW! lol

shiet! lol, just joshing guys, i'm glad for all your comments. :yes:

TeriyakiBroccoli
03-23-2003, 11:42 PM
wtf.. I'd take a used 98 TT supra over a new '03 civic.

Newer doesnt necessarily mean better!

why not buy used.

pdiggitydogg
03-24-2003, 07:59 AM
NEW?! now he tells us...

Ok...Lexus IS300
Toyota Celica GTS (the new ones w/ hid and new front)
Acura RSX type S
Honda Civic Si
BMW z4 Roadster, M5
Mercedes CLK
or some random SUV w/ lots o' tq

SVT Cobra
03-24-2003, 09:51 AM
dude, even the honda lovers are tellin you to get a mustang.
seriously.. you want a fast car that will **** up all those imports for wayyyyy cheaper get yourself a 96-98 cobra or an 88-92 mustang LX 5.0 (87 no Mass air and 93 power decrease). those right there are your best bets for the cheapest. 94-98 GT's are pretty pathetic. sure theyll wipe out all your non turbo imports liek nothing but they suck. dont get me wrong.. u can make basically any mustang run 10's with the right transmission, forged internals and a big blower. as for imports... the wrx may be the best bet... still though... not enough potential. youll be stuck in the 12's with over 5k invested. seriously imports are not where it's at for speed.
buy my car with 14000 miles on it. im sellin it.

cashizslick
03-24-2003, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by OPAKRACING
if you do the b18 swap into the civ, then ya gotta change other things too...i'm pretty sure...


Technically, you could just leave the engine and tranny in and forget about the suspension, which you do not NEED to change.

cashizslick
03-24-2003, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by SVT Cobra
dude, even the honda lovers are tellin you to get a mustang.
seriously.. you want a fast car that will **** up all those imports for wayyyyy cheaper get yourself a 96-98 cobra or an 88-92 mustang LX 5.0 (87 no Mass air and 93 power decrease). those right there are your best bets for the cheapest. 94-98 GT's are pretty pathetic. sure theyll wipe out all your non turbo imports liek nothing but they suck. dont get me wrong.. u can make basically any mustang run 10's with the right transmission, forged internals and a big blower. as for imports... the wrx may be the best bet... still though... not enough potential. youll be stuck in the 12's with over 5k invested. seriously imports are not where it's at for speed.
buy my car with 14000 miles on it. im sellin it.

SVT has a point, you will get more performance for your dollar if you get a mustang.

But what do you really want?

A: a car that is fast, but ugly and unreliable (the ugly part is just my opinion).

B: a car that will cost much more to make fast, but looks great (fact - j/k), is extrememly reliable, gets great gass milage.

Its your choice, and you should do what you want, not what others say to get.

SVT Cobra
03-24-2003, 10:08 AM
gas mileage isnt a concern when you're running 11's or lower. pretty sure mpg sucks no matter what. and all the turbo and n20 youll need to break 13's. honestly the wrx is about the same on gas as my cobra with 4.10 gears.

Racing Rice
03-24-2003, 11:03 AM
Screw mustangs.. If you want something fast, buy a motorcycle and learn how to ride it.

Then keep a car around such as a civic for crappy weather or whatever. :yes: :D

pdiggitydogg
03-24-2003, 11:22 AM
^OMG I compeltely agree...CROTCH ROCKET!!!
keep the civic as the beater!

ChrisCantSkate
03-24-2003, 12:13 PM
if your worried about gas milage, any car with some type of performance will suck. i get 22mpg if im REALLY lucky. normaly im around 19 or 20 and i dont drive hard on my car at all. new... i'd say a 350z or g35 coupe. maybe a evo8. if your going new/used i'd say a 5spd is300 or maybe a late 90's supra TT. if you have to keep the price down, then a late 90's GSX or maybe a z32 twin turbo(90-96 300zx). if your thinking of domestic, a cobra or a ws6 would own. they handle alot better than people give them

Mushroom
03-24-2003, 12:21 PM
Infiniti is spelled with a trailing "i". Search on that.

Do you want "potential" or "performance"? I mean, an STi or Evo would be nice but it's probably tuned well enough that it wouldn't be much of a project car. Same with a sportbike - what potential does that have?

If we're talking new car what's your price range? Impreza 2.5? Miata? RX-8? 350Z? S2000? NSX?

pdiggitydogg
03-24-2003, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by Mushroom
Infiniti is spelled with a trailing "i"

huh...well how about that...it is...well now I feel like the fool :D

SVT Cobra
03-24-2003, 01:15 PM
yeah man if i had the money... WRX = daily driver...... An insanely modded mustang = fun car when its nice out.

ANY FAST car is not reliable. you want to run 11s and 10s there is not much reliability and shouldnt be driven everyday anyway.

zm_dawg
03-24-2003, 04:02 PM
first of all....why and from who are you getting a brand new free car? secondly, why are you thinking about buying a new car and then swapping the engine out right away?....one good point....getting away from a civic for power reasons.
I drive my dads gen1 taslon tsi....I like it, but i can tell the engine and turbo are getting very beat up...theres' prolly 165K on'em but i can definately see the potential of a newer engine being rebuilt. but 1991 isn't exactly new. I'm going for a 240SX when i get the money to do it.

I can't say i have ever really looked at newer cars. I could see driving the 350Z...new BMW m/3 series...

overall i can't believe someones talking about getting a brand new lexus's and nissan's for free for some dam reason

cashizslick
03-24-2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by Racing Rice
Screw mustangs.. If you want something fast, buy a motorcycle and learn how to ride it.

Then keep a car around such as a civic for crappy weather or whatever. :yes: :D

Can somebody say R-1 or Turbo Busa????

Now that's fast!:bandit: :bandit:

cashizslick
03-24-2003, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by SVT Cobra
gas mileage isnt a concern when you're running 11's or lower. pretty sure mpg sucks no matter what. and all the turbo and n20 youll need to break 13's. honestly the wrx is about the same on gas as my cobra with 4.10 gears.


A point i forgot to mention - gas milage will suffer each time you modify your car (unless u just do an air filter, but who does that and doesnt get bit by the performance bug?).

Lets put it this way - dont get a honda if you wanna break any landspeed record. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .unless you can get a Twin Turbo NSX - j/k :cool:

OPAKRACING
03-24-2003, 09:40 PM
Yea, i was thinking of the supra, but the insurtance :o

What would the TT supra's insurance be in comparison to the STi's?

TweaK
03-24-2003, 11:16 PM
omfg dude get a lancer evo 8 sexeh sexeh im buyign one ^^

TeriyakiBroccoli
03-24-2003, 11:19 PM
im guessing it'd be higher.

SVT Cobra
03-25-2003, 12:57 AM
opak.. do you even know what kind of cars you like?

this is the most random post. get a z06 you spoiled brat. who cares what your insurance will be? like you're paying for it.
go get a quote from an insurance company. lets see... brand new car $35000 or old ass car $45000 new. the newer car will cost more on insurance, both costing about the same new.

do u even have your license yet??

Racing Rice
03-25-2003, 07:26 AM
Opak,

Any high performance car is going to cost you a bunch for insurance.. BMW, Lexus, Mercedes.. These cars usually cost considerably more for insurance.

A friend bought a '97 BMW 328i, his insurance went up a bunch from the '99 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP (Supercharged one for those of you who dont know.)

If your worried about insurance, you better check first. Because it will go up, and probably a lot more then you would think. Civics are cheap to insure. Thats the price you pay for performance.

ChrisCantSkate
03-25-2003, 08:20 AM
a supra TT will rape you, if they even give you insuarance. it will probobly be over 350 a month since if i remeber your only 16. and if you have any tickets... it might not be worth even checking


*edit* im assuming you are getting full coverage, cause when you wreck that car(yes when you do) you want to be able to get something back from it

keystone
03-25-2003, 08:29 AM
I dont know anyone that would insure a 16 old in a supra, 300zx,RX-7, or any of these other cars mentioned, if they would the rates would probably be around $6000/year or more. I ave a rather good idea about the insurace biz, since my mother used to sell the stuff.

OPAKRACING
03-25-2003, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by SVT Cobra
opak.. do you even know what kind of cars you like?

this is the most random post. get a z06 you spoiled brat. who cares what your insurance will be? like you're paying for it.
go get a quote from an insurance company. lets see... brand new car $35000 or old ass car $45000 new. the newer car will cost more on insurance, both costing about the same new.

do u even have your license yet??

Wow, you never fail to start the shit talkn eh? Shut up.

My dad might say the insurance is too high....therefore not let me get it, c'mon, think a lil eh? And yes, i do have my license you idiot, how the hell could i post a kill on the kill boards without a fricken license? *smacks head* Durr! unless your posts have some trace of inteligence in them, don't post, kthnx.

Oh, and yes id o know what kinda cars i like....i dunno how technical ya wanna get, but i like Imports, usualy subaru's, honda's, acura's, and toyotas, and nissans....Japanese cars...

SVT Cobra
03-25-2003, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by OPAKRACING
Wow, you never fail to start the shit talkn eh? Shut up.

My dad might say the insurance is too high....therefore not let me get it, c'mon, think a lil eh? And yes, i do have my license you idiot, how the hell could i post a kill on the kill boards without a fricken license? *smacks head* Durr! unless your posts have some trace of inteligence in them, don't post, kthnx.

Oh, and yes id o know what kinda cars i like....i dunno how technical ya wanna get, but i like Imports, usualy subaru's, honda's, acura's, and toyotas, and nissans....Japanese cars...
whatever, you're still gay.

OPAKRACING
03-25-2003, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by SVT Cobra
whatever, you're still gay.

haha...mmmk, i dunno what the hell i said that justifies me being gay, but das koo....

BTW, i know lotsa peeps say this, adn you never really give a strait answer, but...

You don't like imports, you bash them all the time, and you curently drive a domestic, so...What the F*** are you doing on a honda forum?

ChrisCantSkate
03-25-2003, 06:43 PM
i must agree with SVT though, a z06 would own. it is my top pick of cars under 50k from a performace standpoint. i would only take a m3 over one for luxory reasons. performance, hands down z06 pqwnz j00

SVT Cobra
03-25-2003, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by OPAKRACING
haha...mmmk, i dunno what the hell i said that justifies me being gay, but das koo....

BTW, i know lotsa peeps say this, adn you never really give a strait answer, but...

You don't like imports, you bash them all the time, and you curently drive a domestic, so...What the F*** are you doing on a honda forum?

dude, stop being a whiney virgin. this is america and i can be here if i would like to; even for the sole reason to piss you off.
you never listen to any of my suggestions anyway. go build your 8 second RSX. :rolleyes:

since when is WRX domestic?

OPAKRACING
03-25-2003, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
i must agree with SVT though, a z06 would own. it is my top pick of cars under 50k from a performace standpoint. i would only take a m3 over one for luxory reasons. performance, hands down z06 pqwnz j00

a z06 is 52k....lil much, heh.

OPAKRACING
03-25-2003, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by SVT Cobra
dude, stop being a whiney virgin. this is america and i can be here if i would like to; even for the sole reason to piss you off.
you never listen to any of my suggestions anyway. go build your 8 second RSX. :rolleyes:

since when is WRX domestic?

Just the other day, you were sayn how sucky your wrx is, and how you are selln it...so yea, shut up.

Gotta bring virginity into this? Shut up.

And your reason for being here is gay...to piss me off, and to bash imports....wow, you're kool.

ChrisCantSkate
03-25-2003, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by OPAKRACING
a z06 is 52k....lil much, heh.
well you asked on insurace for a supra TT which can be upto 40k for a clean stock low mile one... and if you go to chevy with money and intent to buy, i bet you can get a z06 for under 50k, i know my friends dad did

OPAKRACING
03-25-2003, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
well you asked on insurace for a supra TT which can be upto 40k for a clean stock low mile one... and if you go to chevy with money and intent to buy, i bet you can get a z06 for under 50k, i know my friends dad did

yea, i guess, but again, i want an import...

I was talking to my dad last night, and he is warming up to the STi :yes:

So, i might just end up going with the STi

zm_dawg
03-25-2003, 08:45 PM
its kinda wierd how you say you want an import....do you want an import to have an import, for the import scene or what.....cause it's like you really have no clue what kind of car you want...i don't know....whats the occasion for your father to waste this type of money?

cashizslick
03-25-2003, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by OPAKRACING
haha...mmmk, i dunno what the hell i said that justifies me being gay, but das koo....

BTW, i know lotsa peeps say this, adn you never really give a strait answer, but...

You don't like imports, you bash them all the time, and you curently drive a domestic, so...What the F*** are you doing on a honda forum?

Seriously - you should just get the kinda car you want - dont let us tell you what to get - just MAKE THE CHOICE YOURSELF.

There is no reason for you to go on for 5 or so pages about what car you want - do you wanna make us jealous since you are getting a free car?

cashizslick
03-25-2003, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by zm_dawg
its kinda wierd how you say you want an import....do you want an import to have an import, for the import scene or what.....cause it's like you really have no clue what kind of car you want...i don't know....whats the occasion for your father to waste this type of money?

LoL, i think thats what we are all wondering - OPAK, just get what you want.

wheresmylicense
03-25-2003, 09:26 PM
solution: twin turbo supra... you could mod it like mad... i once saw this supra, it was like 400 hp... freakin crzy if you ask me... one nice car...

TeriyakiBroccoli
03-25-2003, 09:47 PM
hehe this thread is hilarious...

how come your threads always get a lot of replies?

Zanza
03-25-2003, 10:34 PM
If your 16 anything is going to cost you a lot to insure no matter what. So insurance shouldn't be a issue if your looking for a car with potential/preformance. If insurance is the issue then just get a Civic and stop talking about insurance.

Now that is out of the way, just listen to what just about everyone else already said.

Damn you and your free car :|

OPAKRACING
03-25-2003, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by zm_dawg
its kinda wierd how you say you want an import....do you want an import to have an import, for the import scene or what.....cause it's like you really have no clue what kind of car you want...i don't know....whats the occasion for your father to waste this type of money?

Dude, i've made it clear that i want a japanese import.

what else do you want? lol.

I wanna car that goes fast in strait lines, but specializes in the rally type raceing....the STi fits perfect.

And no cash, i don't wanna make you jealous, ROFL!

I seriousely wanted your opinion, i wanted to see if you guys know somthin i don't. Am i allowed to ask?

k then.

ChrisCantSkate
03-26-2003, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by wheresmylicense
solution: twin turbo supra... you could mod it like mad... i once saw this supra, it was like 400 hp... freakin crzy if you ask me... one nice car...

we've already established insurance would be too much, and 400hp out of a supra is kinda weak... they come with 320 stock, and the bottom end can hold almost triple that before needing to be beefed up.

zm_dawg
03-26-2003, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by OPAKRACING
Dude, i've made it clear that i want a japanese import.

what else do you want? lol.

I wanna car that goes fast in strait lines, but specializes in the rally type raceing....the STi fits perfect.

And no cash, i don't wanna make you jealous, ROFL!

I seriousely wanted your opinion, i wanted to see if you guys know somthin i don't. Am i allowed to ask?

k then.
japanese import....well then close your eyes and roll the mouse around and whatever it lands on you buy....

I don't want anything at all....besides some posts that make sense and can actually be answered...everyone's said all these cars and you come back sayin well my dad wants the STI....

straight lines and rallying?....get a hyundai....if you said that in the beginning i'm sure everyone would've been like a subaru

poor kid has no money and wants a fast car and daddy comes to the rescue because doesn't want to see sonny boy upset....nice dad maybe? spoiled kid.....prolly....crashes "daddy's" car while trying to do what you see on the speed channel....for sure...daddy does it all over again.....priceless ha

jealous i won't start.....wait until the real world hits you upside the head....or maybe you'll always be on the titty

:cool:

OPAKRACING
03-26-2003, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by zm_dawg
japanese import....well then close your eyes and roll the mouse around and whatever it lands on you buy....

I don't want anything at all....besides some posts that make sense and can actually be answered...everyone's said all these cars and you come back sayin well my dad wants the STI....

straight lines and rallying?....get a hyundai....if you said that in the beginning i'm sure everyone would've been like a subaru

poor kid has no money and wants a fast car and daddy comes to the rescue because doesn't want to see sonny boy upset....nice dad maybe? spoiled kid.....prolly....crashes "daddy's" car while trying to do what you see on the speed channel....for sure...daddy does it all over again.....priceless ha

jealous i won't start.....wait until the real world hits you upside the head....or maybe you'll always be on the titty
:cool:

K yea, if i knew what car i wanted, then why would i ask you, i left the title of 'japanese import' broad for a reason, so that i could take suggestions you idiot.

you don't know the story behind why my grandpa is buying me a car, so shut your mouth you ill informed F***.

so what will happen when the world hits me up sie the head? You don't know me, or how i am, or what my life is like, so keep your mouth shut.

yea, i have a name for people with attitude like yours: its called, car envy.

'87 integra
03-26-2003, 08:29 PM
at first your dad was buying you a car???...now all of a sudden your grandpa is buying you another car???...so your gonna get 2 cars.....why not a ferrari??....maybe a porsche??....or have your dad ship a skyline over.....lol..

nonovurbizniz
03-26-2003, 09:00 PM
WHATEVER.... like any of you worthless bastards would refuse a free car...


stop being jealous little b*tches... if my dad grandpa or some dirty old man wants to buy me a car I'm IN.

OPAKRACING
03-26-2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by '87 integra
at first your dad was buying you a car???...now all of a sudden your grandpa is buying you another car???...so your gonna get 2 cars.....why not a ferrari??....maybe a porsche??....or have your dad ship a skyline over.....lol..

it was always my grandpa, but my dad pays half, and my grandpa pays half.

OPAKRACING
03-26-2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
WHATEVER.... like any of you worthless bastards would refuse a free car...


stop being jealous little b*tches... if my dad grandpa or some dirty old man wants to buy me a car I'm IN.

Thank you.

zm_dawg
03-27-2003, 02:36 AM
i wouldn't be so quit to call someone a jealous b*tch....would I accpet a free car....sure if i won it in a lottery....but I would never expect one or ever dream of a family member sayin alright lets go to the car lot....and then to think about a new STI or somethin comparable $30K +....i'd be happy with a moped....

car envy....isn't really an attitude....I haven't been into cars since the last year or so....so I can't say my attitude is based on that....there's always going to be a better car then yours unless daddy and papi want to keep you happy forever.....

another thing is...the thread isn't called "japanese import"....

your right....i know nothing about you....but i know your letting whoever and whatever....maybe your sister or grandma by now buy you a car....a new car....and not a civic....but a $33K STI...how bout an Elantra....$10K....that prolly isn't good enough though huh?

honestly.....know nothin about you....but i get my opinion too....

so this all makes me....."car envy"....

You know what kinda car you want yet?