Zetec=honda Vtec Killer=i Doubt It

[KwikR6]

So I was reading one of my not so recent super street's or honda tuning magazine's and ford is planning on releasing what they call a honda Killer. It's a Focus with an engine that has zetec. First off. Ford will never be HOnda. So quit trying to copy them. Second. Maybe if they weren't releasing it in the 4 doors. It would be alright. Third. Wait a second. I can't think of anythign else. Oh well...what do you think about this new zetec thing. Personally I know I just trashed it...but I don't think it's gonig to be that bad.

[Boosted3g]

heres a more in depth look at why Ford will never be a Honda

1. Its still has the blue oval and that is more than any car should have to bear.

2. Ford has peice of shit cars. Someone didnt coin the phrase Ford P.O.S for nothing

3. With 4.6 liters in the Mustang and they can only produce 265 horsepower imagine what they can do with half the displacement

My final thoughts "if it looks like a Ford or drives like a Ford it wont go in my garage"

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by Boosted3g
...My final thoughts "if it looks like a Ford or drives like a Ford it wont go in my garage"

I agree....

But hasnt Zetec been out for a couple years? I didnt think it was something new.

[Matrix]

But....but...my cars...but...Waaaaaaaahhhhh!!! ;(


Oh, wait. My cars are made by Mazda. The ONLY thing from Ford is the badge. WHEW!!

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by Matrix
But....but...my cars...but...Waaaaaaaahhhhh!!! ;(


Oh, wait. My cars are made by Mazda. The ONLY thing from Ford is the badge. WHEW!!

Isnt that some messed up sh!t.. I had a probe several years ago.. It was a great running little car. Just ashame they put the Ford badge on it instead of a mazda..;)

[Accord Man]

Originally posted by Racing Rice


I agree....

But hasnt Zetec been out for a couple years? I didnt think it was something new.

ya they've been out for a while now..

:rolleyes:

[KwikR6]

See like I said I just got into it...so i didn't know that much...and why can't ford produce their own cars instead of taking mazda's and putting their badges on them....or the escort GT. Mitsubishi engine in them. Because Ford can't produce good cars. 64.5-69 mustangs were good but now...nope sorry.

[Accord Man]

I think the stangs are pretty cool.
Sound good and run ok.


But i'm pretty sure if honda was on a mission to build a large displacement muscle car, they'd achieve something much more impressive.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by Accord Man
But i'm pretty sure if honda was on a mission to build a large displacement muscle car, they'd achieve something much more impressive.
like the nsx?

[KwikR6]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude

like the nsx?

For an example right?
See I mean Honda is lightyears ahead right now.
I don't think any of those companies could build something like the s2k. And lets just put Vtec in the accord V6 and make it standard. Now that would be fast.

[Accord Man]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude

like the nsx?

Nuh even more displacement..

3.2L isnt that big..


I'm talking 4.5L +

Wow, now that would be a first... to my knowledge.

[Accord Man]

Originally posted by dereks civic


For an example right?
See I mean Honda is lightyears ahead right now.
I don't think any of those companies could build something like the s2k. And lets just put Vtec in the accord V6 and make it standard. Now that would be fast.

Ford's attempt to build a roadster wasnt exactly a success!!
I've had the opportunity to drive an S2000. It was quiet intense. That thing almost takes off like a motorcycle!!



Regarding Accord V6 with vtec.. Well they already come standard with vtec. Even most of the 4's come with vtec, excluding the basic DX model.


:cool:

[grl_racer]

honda does have a beast motor.... the powerful V8 motor thats not put into production on their sold cars like civic, accord, prelude, minivans, and what not. Its there race motor. Think if that motor was downsized, and shoved into the new accord... the family cars would be pushing some serious horsepower... blowing the doors off SS camaros, mustangs, firebirds, .... any domestic "muscle car"... families would be getting to disneyland ALLL kinda quick-like.

Difference between the Vtec and ZEtec... well...
Honda at least put out a reliable motor, then came out w/ v-tec..
Ford, well they havent successfully on their OWN, put out a reliable motor. All the focus have recalls for catching on fire. They use mitsubishi, and mazda for their more dependable "ford" cars.

i doubt there were will be too many bolt-ons for the zetec, and hardly any fabricated types of forced induction that will work on it.
without paying a grip of money, and possibly having problems.

[grl_racer]

and to add on.... regardless....

Ford has very few good lookin cars... exception of the probe... and the mustangs are "ok"
.... but i have yet to see an ugly ass Honda...
i mean..
Taurus vs Accord... which one looks better???? :rolleyes:
escort vs. civic which one looks better??? :rolleyes:
mustang vs S2k- which one looks better??? :rolleyes:
explorer vs passport/CRV- which one looks better??? :rolleyes:

i think i made my point there...

[Accord Man]

Ditto!


regarding the V8, I meant in a production car..
Cant really compare race/prototype to production..




;)

[grl_racer]

Originally posted by Accord Man
Ditto!


regarding the V8, I meant in a production car..
Cant really compare race/prototype to production..




;)

yeah i know.. but still... put a ford v8, against hondas v8...
WHO WINS...

those v8 honda motors are gonna have my babies!!!

[Accord Man]

ok fine miss attitude!! j/k
;)


I'm all for honda!!

[grl_racer]

Originally posted by Accord Man
ok fine miss attitude!! j/k
;)


I'm all for honda!!

:eek: awe... its all outa love!!! we are on the same side ;)

[90civiclxryder]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Accord Man
[B]ok fine miss attitude!! j/k
;)


hey, dont be talkin like that to my special lady:)

[Accord Man]

Originally posted by 90civiclxryder
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Accord Man
[B]ok fine miss attitude!! j/k
;)


hey, dont be talkin like that to my special lady:)


special lady huh?!


does she know?


:eek: ;)

[KwikR6]

Originally posted by grl_racer
and to add on.... regardless....

Ford has very few good lookin cars... exception of the probe... and the mustangs are "ok"
.... but i have yet to see an ugly ass Honda...
i mean..
Taurus vs Accord... which one looks better???? :rolleyes:
escort vs. civic which one looks better??? :rolleyes:
mustang vs S2k- which one looks better??? :rolleyes:
explorer vs passport/CRV- which one looks better??? :rolleyes:

i think i made my point there...

uhhhh yup exactly

[grl_racer]

<--- IM SPESHUL!!!!! *dr00l*;) ::yes::

[TurboandNitrous]

I like the newer Mustangs. they at least have some balls when it comes to speed. Nothin against anyone on here if they have a Focus, but i really think these things are crap. its Fords weak attempt to tap into the "import" market, and it s a pretty weak one. the up-coming SVT focus seems like it will give the new Si a run for its money performance wise....but damn....are these things ugly or what?! not to hate on em....but my friend has one, and from the day she got it, it has caused nothin but problems. all kinds of squeeks, rattles, things like that. i mean, the Eclipses arent exactly the poster child for reliability, but least they look somewhat good, and mine has never gave me any trouble(knocks on wood)

[Addict]

Originally posted by TurboandNitrous
I like the newer Mustangs. they at least have some balls when it comes to speed. Nothin against anyone on here if they have a Focus, but i really think these things are crap. its Fords weak attempt to tap into the "import" market, and it s a pretty weak one. the up-coming SVT focus seems like it will give the new Si a run for its money performance wise....but damn....are these things ugly or what?! not to hate on em....but my friend has one, and from the day she got it, it has caused nothin but problems. all kinds of squeeks, rattles, things like that. i mean, the Eclipses arent exactly the poster child for reliability, but least they look somewhat good, and mine has never gave me any trouble(knocks on wood)

They are very ugly. The only other car that can compete with its looks is the Neon. No offense to anyone, but damn they're ugly. The ZeTec? They can't even come up with their own name. Sounds a bit like VTEC......Hmmmm.. At least Toyota used VVT-i (I think that's it). I mean come on.....

[grl_racer]

like stated by TurboandNitrous..... its an attempt to break into the import seen. The SVT Focus... its the domestic "civic", NOT TO DISRESPECT..... The Focus is ugly yes.... so are the neons.. but they are small, light, and you can make them fast... well the civic's you can.. i dunno about the focus ;)

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by grl_racer
.. i dunno about the focus ;)

Yes very true... Its kinda yet to be seen...

::no::

[Accord Man]

I rented a focus once..

Drove it from Montreal to Toronto... And back.

Man what a crap that was. Totally sucked IMO.

[Addict]

Just a little FYI. Apparently Ford has been at this ZETEC deal for a while. I stumbled across some F1 engines. I didn't know they had been using ZeTec.

http://www.f1db.com/formula1/database/cars/action/display_car/part/engine/actiontype/display_engine/engineID/10258

http://www.f1db.com/formula1/database/cars/action/display_car/part/engine/actiontype/display_engine/engineID/10254

Just thought I'd enlighten you all..;)

[KwikR6]

I have to agree with you that ford is trying to tap into the import market and they never will. WHy is that...???BEKAUSE HONDA RULES!!!!!!!
anyway....I don't think we have much to worry about because mugen, jun, greddy, hks, etc..will always support us.
hehehe

[toykilla]

If you guys would actually do some reading into the Ford Focus "SVT" you will see that it is a 100% honda killer. I agree with you all when you say the Mustang is a piece but we arent talking about the Mustang here. We are talking about the Ford Focus, which the only reason Ford came out with it was to beat on Honda's. They would have to make it better inorder to do that as Ford is seeing the import scene growing every single year. You all down the "Zetec" term because it resembles "V-tec". Dont hate on it...The Zetec has been proven to be a more powerful powerband than Honda's V-tec. Infact..I think the only reason Honda changed the SI over to a hatchback model was to compete with the Focus SVT model. As you can see by the pictures that im sure you have seen...it looks just like the Focus. Whos coping who now??? Im not downing Honda in any way but I dont think you should down Ford for a car that they made and has been proven in numerous tests to beat on Honda's. The Focus SVT would have beaten up on the Honda SI 99-00 models simply because of weight and power but I believe Honda's comeback with the SI hatch will make a more reasonable weight. Even if they copied Ford on the modeling. ;) Just my thoughts on the mattter.

[toykilla]

Originally posted by grl_racer


yeah i know.. but still... put a ford v8, against hondas v8...
WHO WINS...

those v8 honda motors are gonna have my babies!!!
I actually think the Saleen is faster than the NSX with a cheaper price tag as well. Im not sure on that one though so no harsh replies...

[KwikR6]

[i] As you can see by the pictures that im sure you have seen...it looks just like the Focus. Whos coping who now??? Im not downing Honda in any way but I dont think you should down Ford for a car that they made and has been proven in numerous tests to beat on Honda's.[/B]
i'M Not argueing...but didn't the hatch come out in 92? not 00..So I think honda's on that one.
and yes the zetec is fast...and I have read about the SVT focus. I was starting this forum not to trash anything....
And....whats the displacement on the focus? Is it a 2.2 liter. Well put it up against an H22 and lets see. Good race. I do'nt know who would win.
But none the less..it would be good.

[toykilla]

Isnt the H22 in a prelude??? I believe that the Focus would win that one just by weight advantage alone...Also...I Focus was brought out to compete with the Civic...As everyone knows there are more Civics hooked up in America than integra's, preludes and eclipses. That is Ford main target. To beat on the Civic. Yes, 92 was the release of the hatch SI but it was remodeled for a reason. They only stopped production of the 99-00 SI's when Ford released the Focus. Honda "knew" that the SVT apon release would own civics (stock vs stock) therefore they redesigned it back to a hatch. stock vs stock is funny because there are already more Focus part manufacters out there than my 420A eclipse. Even the manufacters knew it was going to be a beating so of course they made every possible part for it as they could. I also believe that the new focus is one of the few cars to give the Lancer Evolution a compitition in the Rally events. All and all it is a nice car and for all of you who said its ugly...check out the new SI. I dont like that thing at all. Isnt the shifter in the dash where the radio would normally be on other cars?? Im not sure on that but thats what I heard...

[KwikR6]

Originally posted by toykilla
I also believe that the new focus is one of the few cars to give the Lancer Evolution a compitition in the Rally events. All and all it is a nice car and for all of you who said its ugly...check out the new SI. I dont like that thing at all. Isnt the shifter in the dash where the radio would normally be on other cars?? Im not sure on that but thats what I heard...

Agreed!!!!! The SVT is going to SPANK the civic. And yes I think the Shifter idea in the dash is sick and stupid. POOR effort on honda's. But im a civic guy...and I still like the 92-00 style

[Addict]

Just thought we'd compare apples to apples....

Specs from Ford (Focus SVT)

Displacement: 1,988cc; 121 cu. in.
Compression ratio: 10.2:1
Horsepower: 170 hp @ 7,000 rpm
Torque: 145 lb.-ft. @ 5,500 rpm
Curb Weight: ???? lbs

Specs from Honda (2000 Si)

Displacement: 1595cc
Compression Ratio: 10.2:1
Horsepower: 160 hp @ 7600 rpm
Torque: 111 ft-lb @ 7000 rpm
Curb Weight: 2612 lbs

145 ft-lb torque. That's pretty impressive. Notice the difference in RPMS for the peak HP and the peak TQ. And how much does the damn thing weigh? They don't have that on their site. And the engine is 393 cc bigger(2.0L vs a 1.6L) than an Si. I would hope that it would produce more power. :rolleyes:

So we have the SVT Focus with a 2.0L engine producing 85 HP per Liter and the Si with a 1.6L engine producing 100 HP per liter. And lets not forget the track record Honda has. Their cars last. Its proven. Then there's Ford. I'll leave it at that.

I do like the fact that the SVT Focus comes with 17's. That's a nice feature. Though it still doesn't make the car look any prettier.

Granted, the SVT Focus is HUGE leap for Ford. I don't forsee it "over-taking" Honda though.

[KwikR6]

With honda's following, I don't think that any one will have that much of a chance of "over taking" the market. They have it and their here to stay.
Hopefully.

[toykilla]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict
And the engine is 393 cc bigger(2.0L vs a 1.6L) than an Si. I would hope that it would produce more power. :rolleyes:

So we have the SVT Focus with a 2.0L engine producing 85 HP per Liter and the Si with a 1.6L engine producing 100 HP per liter. And lets not forget the track record Honda has. Their cars last. Its proven. Then there's Ford. I'll leave it at that.

[/B]

I hate to burst your bubble but the new "SI" is a 2.0L. Almost...all and all Ford out matches the Honda SI. The "new" SI, Ill say it again, is a 2.0L. Not the 1.6L like we all know off.
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.sp?kbb.DC&20112&122&pr02civicsi&
See for yourself...

[KwikR6]

hahaha so he's right.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by toykilla

I actually think the Saleen is faster than the NSX with a cheaper price tag as well. Im not sure on that one though so no harsh replies...
maybe true..... but the nsx is a 6 cylender, now when the new nsx comes out.... we'll have a nice comparison. as of now, we can comparing a v6 stang to a civ si and a saleen to a nsx, a v8 stang(94-98) to a type-r or lude, were at least 2 cylenders behind but will end up ahead most the time, with the exeption of the v8 against a itr or h22lude, cause it can go either way.

[KwikR6]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude

h22lude,
mmm mmm h22goodness

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by dereks civic

mmm mmm h22goodness
yeah i love those cars

[toykilla]

Originally posted by dereks civic
hahaha so he's right.

Who's right??

[Addict]

Originally posted by toykilla

I hate to burst your bubble but the new "SI" is a 2.0L. Almost...all and all Ford out matches the Honda SI. The "new" SI, Ill say it again, is a 2.0L. Not the 1.6L like we all know off.
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.sp?kbb.DC&20112&122&pr02civicsi&
See for yourself...

I wasn't referring to the unreleased "NEW" Si. I was talking about the 2000 Si and using it as a comparison. Like I said in my post, I was comapring apples to apples. Can't compare the "NEW" Si since its not yet released.

So, I'll say it again, the 2000 Si has a 1.6L like we all know of. Check my post...


Just thought we'd compare apples to apples....

Specs from Ford (Focus SVT)

Displacement: 1,988cc; 121 cu. in.
Compression ratio: 10.2:1
Horsepower: 170 hp @ 7,000 rpm
Torque: 145 lb.-ft. @ 5,500 rpm
Curb Weight: ???? lbs

Specs from Honda (2000 Si)

Displacement: 1595cc
Compression Ratio: 10.2:1
Horsepower: 160 hp @ 7600 rpm
Torque: 111 ft-lb @ 7000 rpm
Curb Weight: 2612 lbs

145 ft-lb torque. That's pretty impressive. Notice the difference in RPMS for the peak HP and the peak TQ. And how much does the damn thing weigh? They don't have that on their site. And the engine is 393 cc bigger(2.0L vs a 1.6L) than an Si. I would hope that it would produce more power.

So we have the SVT Focus with a 2.0L engine producing 85 HP per Liter and the Si with a 1.6L engine producing 100 HP per liter. And lets not forget the track record Honda has. Their cars last. Its proven. Then there's Ford. I'll leave it at that.

I do like the fact that the SVT Focus comes with 17's. That's a nice feature. Though it still doesn't make the car look any prettier.

Granted, the SVT Focus is HUGE leap for Ford. I don't forsee it "over-taking" Honda though.

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict


I wasn't referring to the unreleased "NEW" Si. I was talking about the 2000 Si and using it as a comparison. Like I said in my post, I was comapring apples to apples. Can't compare the "NEW" Si since its not yet released.

So, I'll say it again, the 2000 Si has a 1.6L like we all know of. Check my post...



Unfortunatly those were the days of the past.. The new (7th Gen) hondas arent near the story the older ones used to be..

The new SI is a 2.0 liter that (unofficially) produces 160 hp and 130 ft.lbs of torque. Which is about the same ratings as the old motor but with more displacement... Not the normal honda we have come to know and love..:rolleyes: :confused:

[Addict]

Originally posted by Racing Rice

Unfortunatly those were the days of the past.. The new (7th Gen) hondas arent near the story the older ones used to be..

The new SI is a 2.0 liter that (unofficially) produces 160 hp and 130 ft.lbs of torque. Which is about the same ratings as the old motor but with more displacement... Not the normal honda we have come to know and love..:rolleyes: :confused:

Yes, but since its yet to be released (and I personally hope it never gets released), we can't use it as a comparison. Much like everyone keeps saying the Honda V8 will kill any other V8. Its not even in production(I'm talking street cars, not F1).

So my original point was to compare to similar vehicles for what they were. The SVT Focus is released and the 2000 Si is its competition (don't even try to tell me the 2k1 & 2k2 EX's are the competition). I know the the new (uck) Si will have WEAK 2.0L engine. Its sad that Honda would do such a thing. But that's another topic.

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict


Yes, but since its yet to be released (and I personally hope it never gets released), we can't use it as a comparison. Much like everyone keeps saying the Honda V8 will kill any other V8. Its not even in production(I'm talking street cars, not F1).

So my original point was to compare to similar vehicles for what they were. The SVT Focus is released and the 2000 Si is its competition (don't even try to tell me the 2k1 & 2k2 EX's are the competition). I know the the new (uck) Si will have WEAK 2.0L engine. Its sad that Honda would do such a thing. But that's another topic.

I agree with you totally.. Its like trying to compare something that is fiction to something that is reality.. Its impossible to do because there is no real evidence to base anything on. I just hope that honda gets smart and puts more power in the new SI if thats really what they are supposed to have. Cause those are some weak number especially since the RSX-S has so much more power the the GSR did.

[grl_racer]

Originally posted by Racing Rice


Cause those are some weak number especially since the RSX-S has so much more power the the GSR did.

i dunno about that... i saw a RSX type S consistantly run 15.9, 16.0, 15.8 this weekend.. i wasnt impressed..
another person took his car to the track and he blew his motor on his RSX ALREADY... :rolleyes:

[Whtehnda93DXSdn]

Ford is trying to venture into a realm it can;t hang w/ IMO..Indeed the focus is OK looking it's now Honda/Acura by far..

I just think that they want to try and make a domestic to have competition for the imports...

[grl_racer]

Originally posted by Whtehnda93DXSdn
I just think that they want to try and make a domestic to have competition for the imports...

good point...
very true statement

[toykilla]

Of course Ford wants to venture into something they dont have an edge on...They are seeing the import scene grow like crazy with the release of the fast and the furious. I just hope their import killers are a hell of a lot better than their domestic killers...im tired of using the phrase...."Ford tuff with Chevy stuff"
I think its a good effort on Ford's part but Ive yet to see one on the road, Fall of 2001 right?? We shall see, ive already seen the regular focus around here with a supercharger and the regular focus' are hitting 9's in the 1/4 with the drag civics...its a good thing that Ford has done...

[KwikR6]

Originally posted by toykilla
.its a good thing that Ford has done...
i'M QUITE GLAD they did....it's good to see lots of people doing up different cars. Although we are all pretty partial to honda's, it's still nice to see different.

[toykilla]

Originally posted by dereks civic

i'M QUITE GLAD they did....it's good to see lots of people doing up different cars. Although we are all pretty partial to honda's, it's still nice to see different.

Let's just put it this way...because Ford came out with such a great import killer other companies like Honda/Acura will be releasing more powerful car such as the RSX Type-R if it ever comes out...Honda's new SI is a big piece if you ask me and the new Eclipse is even worse than the new SI but others like the new Nissan SE-R and the upcoming GT-R (which is rather weak by the way but its coming) Ford is making other car makers around the world put their money where their mouth is and they...It should be quite interesting

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by toykilla
...and the regular focus' are hitting 9's in the 1/4 with the drag civics...its a good thing that Ford has done...

When have you seen a "regular" focus run 9's? I dont think a focus that runs 9's has a standard focus motor in them most of them are v6 RWD, or 2.1 litre RWD Cosworth motors .

If Im not mistaken..

[Addict]

Originally posted by Racing Rice


When have you seen a "regular" focus run 9's? I dont think a focus that runs 9's has a standard focus motor in them most of them are v6 RWD, or 2.1 litre RWD Cosworth motors .

If Im not mistaken..

I don't care what they run. They still look FUGLY as hell running it!

[toykilla]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict


I don't care what they run. They still look FUGLY as hell running it!

LOL..sounds like rice to me...looks dont win a race and since when have you seen a "cool" looking drag civic...all the dragster 4 bangers look like crap...that was a very ignorent statement

[KwikR6]

I think coming on a honda website and trashing civic's is ignorant....but that's just me and what do i know right? I think that we all gotta respect the fact that ford has released a car to compete with everyone else finally. Look at Coling MCrae and his focus. Didn't he kill Mikka a while ago....and doesn't he usually. Ford is doing something cool. And just cause most of us think fords are garbage, and ugly....doesn't mean someone else doesn't think they are dope as hell.
We just gotta respect....that's what we ask...so we have to give it in return.
Peace

[toykilla]

I do respect Honda's...but right now and that statement that civic_addict made about how he dont care what times they get, they are ugly has NOTHING to do with what kind of damn car you drive. Its a very ignorent statement that he must have made talking from his ass, NO?? Oh yea..I forgot, sexy paint, body kit, stickers add like 500whp, right?? give me a ****ing break....Dont say im not respected anything when its you guys talking shit about a car you have never driven....every statement I made on this whole damn topic was on facts...and as I start to see im unwelcome in Honda land, you are making me wonder why i ever wanted to talk to honda owners at all...laterz

[KwikR6]

Ok how about we drop this subject!!! I respect many many types of cars. I used to drive a mustang. actually I used to drive 2 mustangs. I don't think they shit....it's called preference...i prefer honda now...and I think the focus is kinda ugly...it's preference. One of my friends drive a 5.0. He HATEs civic's. Fair enough. I can respect that. and the numbers thing. Numbers speak for themselves. Ford is doing good with the focus. NO denying that. But I unno.....what are we argueing about anyway again.??? hahahahaha i'm konfused.

[90civiclxryder]

im not talking shit now, i just wanted to say the reliability factor should be taken into account too, hondas seem to be more reliable than fords, you dont wanna put a fortune into a car that has a bad reliability record

[Racing Rice]

I just have to ask... How much of the Focus is really made by ford? Is the motor a Ford motor or is it a mazda motor of something??:confused:

[KwikR6]

I was just thinking about something. Ford and Honda are running close to the same times. JOJO is running I think like LOW nines and I think his name is Shaun or something is running in his focus mid nines. Those are numbers you can't ignore.

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by dereks civic
I was just thinking about something. Ford and Honda are running close to the same times. JOJO is running I think like LOW nines and I think his name is Shaun or something is running in his focus mid nines. Those are numbers you can't ignore.

Yeah but the ford motor isnt you typical motor either.. Its either a V6 or a motor from a Cosworth which are sweet motors.. Not to mention the Focus is RWD..

[KwikR6]

Which is true. Ya gotta remember that honda is doing all this with 4 cylinders. Not 6 or even 8.
I get all this smack talk from 5.0 guys and I can take it. But you have to remember. they have twice as big and twice as many cylinders as me.
My buddie had and escort (mitsubishi engine) GT that used to stomp 5.0

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by dereks civic
Which is true. Ya gotta remember that honda is doing all this with 4 cylinders. Not 6 or even 8.
I get all this smack talk from 5.0 guys and I can take it. But you have to remember. they have twice as big and twice as many cylinders as me.
My buddie had and escort (mitsubishi engine) GT that used to stomp 5.0

honda has proven that little engines can put out the power of a big one.. Now lets see what ford can do with a little engine Im yet to be impressed..

[KwikR6]

Originally posted by Racing Rice


honda has proven that little engines can put out the power of a big one.. Now lets see what ford can do with a little engine Im yet to be impressed..
Time will tell what the focus will be able to do.
Remember honda has basically an unlimited amount of aftermarket parts to use. But I guess ford does too. hmmmmm:confused:

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by dereks civic

Time will tell what the focus will be able to do.
Remember honda has basically an unlimited amount of aftermarket parts to use. But I guess ford does too. hmmmmm:confused:

yeah part availability are growing fast for the Focus and neons both.

[KwikR6]

Originally posted by Racing Rice


yeah part availability are growing fast for the Focus and neons both.
UGH neon's....I have a friend that has one that has a body kit...and it DONE up. Just no go. and it's very slow.

[toykilla]

Originally posted by 90civiclxryder
im not talking shit now, i just wanted to say the reliability factor should be taken into account too, hondas seem to be more reliable than fords, you dont wanna put a fortune into a car that has a bad reliability record

I guess we will see, you cant really judge a car that has only been out for 2 years...also...ANY car if taken proper care of will last a long ass time. My cousins chevy s-10 has 275k miles on it and runs perfect. A friend of mine has a 3000GT VR-4 with 186k miles on it. If you take care of it, it will last

[KwikR6]

yeah but honda for some reason keeps proving themselves time and time again. Ford kinda has a bad track record. Like I said I have owned 2 mustangs. On those two mustangs I had to replace the electronic ignition 4 times. and I take good ass car of my cars.

[90civiclxryder]

Originally posted by dereks civic
yeah but honda for some reason keeps proving themselves time and time again. Ford kinda has a bad track record. Like I said I have owned 2 mustangs. On those two mustangs I had to replace the electronic ignition 4 times. and I take good ass car of my cars.

theres my reliability factor theory. toykilla made a good point but overall in studies hondas are more reliable

[toykilla]

Originally posted by 90civiclxryder


theres my reliability factor theory. toykilla made a good point but overall in studies hondas are more reliable

I agree that Honda's can take a lot more abuse on them than most cars. They are a good car...Focus will still have to prove themselves. I dont know about Honda but if you hook up a Mitsubishi like im doing I have nothing but problems. But the car will last forever stock or even with all motor upgrades. I put a turbo on mine and it has problem after problem. You turbo Honda's, do you have the same problem??

[tightteg52]

Originally posted by toykilla


LOL..sounds like rice to me...looks dont win a race and since when have you seen a "cool" looking drag civic...all the dragster 4 bangers look like crap...that was a very ignorent statement

just thought i should chime in on this steph papadapkis (SP?) aem civic looks extremly good and it has a h23a/vtec(h22 heads) in it wich is a 4 banger. just though i would let you know.:cool: ;)

[toykilla]

Originally posted by tightteg52


just thought i should chime in on this steph papadapkis (SP?) aem civic looks extremly good and it has a h23a/vtec(h22 heads) in it wich is a 4 banger. just though i would let you know.:cool: ;)

That civic is not a unibody civic. its completly re-done. it doesnt even look like a civic. i mean the apex-i integra looks badass, but there is just one problem. it doesnt look like an integra. =) check out Venom's civic. i believe it unibody and looks like shit.

[tightteg52]

thats cause venom did no offense to venom users but i heard there stuff is crap but you never said that it had to be unibody you just said honda four banger dragers ;) :cool: just messin but all in all ford is just gonna raise the bar w/ the svt focus but i read a pre release review and word that i got was i totally blew!! but if ford can fix it so it dont have all the recalls that the regular focuses have it should be an interesting battle. I would have to agree that the new si is as fugly as the focus. yes the shifter is in dash so to speak "rally inspired" but the beauty is the power curve is alot smother the new I-vtec allows it to engae sooner and flattens the power curve dramaticly (SP?) so you don't have crud for power up to 5200 rpms when vtec kicks in. just thought i would share that info w/ you peeps Oh and the whole reason for basicly mellowing out the new si for now atleast is so the rsx sales dont suffer its a new platform that they are trying to get established in the aftermarket;) ;)

[KwikR6]

I thought the AEM civic was unibody. regardless if dragcivics are nice or not. Who cars. Anyone take a look at times lately. Not style. Sure some have krazy paint jobs. That's it though. When have you ever seen a drag car win a beauty contest.:confused:

[tightteg52]

well if there was a drag car beauty contest steph papadapkis's civic would win i mean can you beat a h23/vtec turned sideways;)

[slowEJ6]

its all about 9/10 sec supras on STOCK internals. wha wha :)

[tightteg52]

but its exciting to build a 8 sec car out of a h23

[slowEJ6]

Originally posted by tightteg52
but its exciting to build a 8 sec car out of a h23 that is true, but being able to drive around with a 9sec car that isnt even opened up is a nice feeling imo :)

[tightteg52]

hell owning a fast car is nice who cars how ya get there its the fact that you GOT there ya know what i mean??? right now im modding my ls teg to be a 11-12 sec car daily driven. im getting a new b18b in january and will be turboing it shortly after

[KwikR6]

Originally posted by hybrid3do0rcx
its all about 9/10 sec supras on STOCK internals. wha wha :)
true
true
[QUOTE][i]but its exciting to build a 8 sec car out of a h23
true
true
espically how they put it in there.
thats cool