vtec light

[binner03]

N E 1 know how too do the VTEC light setup?

[pdiggitydogg]

dont bother...it comes on around 5400-5600...somewhere around there

[drdingo21]

it still would be kinda neat...mine somes on at 4500

[accord98lx]

whats a vtec light? pix?

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

its a little light that "lights up" when vtec kicks in...kinda neat i think...
here's a pix..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2400445138&category=6775

[2000 V-TEC]

vtec kicks in @ 4500 in most civic

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

is it 5500 on a 99 civic ex?

[pdiggitydogg]

thats when mine turns on (97 ex)

[FletchQ]

Yea, 5500 in my '00 Si

[DJWURM]

I thought this mod was stupid, why would i want something else flashing on my dashboard, i mean my seat belt light is on, the check engine light is on, the oil preesure is on, the battery light comes on, the tach shift light comes on. hehe j/k.

[oc civic]

just curious as to what the point is?

[thermal]

Here, make your own: http://jdmfan.com/technical/cosmetic/vtec_indicator/

Goodluck;)

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

thanks for the link..if only I wasn't so damn excited to get it, I could have saved some money...:paranoid:

[drdingo21]

iprobly would have got it if it wasn't 20...

[binner03]

My VTEC on my 01 civic comes on at 2500 rpms. 1.7L

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by binner03
My VTEC on my 01 civic comes on at 2500 rpms. 1.7L

Are you 100% sure about that?!?! Stock? Or did you change it with a VTEC controller?

[Addict]

Originally posted by binner03
My VTEC on my 01 civic comes on at 2500 rpms. 1.7L

You sure about that one?

[oc civic]

Originally posted by Racing Rice
Are you 100% sure about that?!?! Stock? Or did you change it with a VTEC controller?

lets HOPE he JUST has no idea what hes talking about..

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by oc civic
lets HOPE he JUST has no idea what hes talking about..

:yes: We are!:yes: ;)

[binner03]

Yes i know what i'm talking about.....i do work for a Honda Dealership here in South Jersey.....since it's a SOHC the VTECH kicks in muck sooner.....like at 2500rpm in a 01 Honda 1.7L

[TeriyakiBroccoli]

.. thats awfully early.. its practically running vtec the whole time. even while cruising on the freeway...


*cough*:bs:

[pdiggitydogg]

Oh I understand...binners got that more powerful VTECH rather than vtec...now it makes sense...
:rolleyes:
Theres no way...

[binner03]

Why are you guys breaking my balls.....lol....but seriously it does kick on at 2500....more powerful?.....yea right...the thing is dog sh*t of the line.

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

If it kicked in at 2500 RPMS, it would kind of ruin the point of the efficient VTEC on the SOHC engines. I find it hard to believe.

[Addict]

We're not trying to "break your balls". VTEC does not kick in at 2500 RPMs. Honda's are not low end power cars. All the power comes in the upper part of the RPM band, regardless of model/year.

Why would yout think it does? I'm just asking, not trying to be an ass. You must have some good reason to believe that.

[Racing Rice]

Why would honda change the new motors for VTEC to engage at 2500 rpms when the older ones didnt open until over 5000 rpms. Cruising at 65 miles and hour youd be sucking gas so bad you would think you were driving a V8.

We are just trying to tell you, that unless you changed it, its not a 2500 rpms. Honda motors are made for efficiency, there for would never do that out of the factory.

You may want to get a second opinion on the VTEC thing. :crazy:

Just for sake of arguement, did you make a VTEC light, to verify that VTEC does kick in at 2500 rpms? The VTEC light should kick on when the VTEC solenoid activates I believe.

We arent trying to bust your balls, we just dont want wrong information running around.:no: If you prove us wrong, we will be more then happy to agree with you. ;)

[oc civic]

as probably already stated vtec is a methos of adding some type of performance to an econobox car.... the reason vtec works is there are 2 distinct cam profile, that the car can choose from, the car bases this choice on RPMS.... one side is a VERY mild economical cam, and the other is a SLIGHTLY more aggresive cam, the car crosses over at such a high rpm (4800 + depending on model) so that you the driver gets the benifit of fuel economy, but can stil PUSH the car... if you were trying to accelerate you would stay in the gears longer (thus driving more aggresively) and you would reach that more aggresive cam... this is a VERY basic explanation.. there are a few other factors that determine if the car can engage vtec (oil pressure, engine temp, etc...) EVEN from a performance stand point (with a VAFC or similar unit) you would gain NOTHING by droping it so low, IN FACT you would probably damage the car..

[binner03]

K jackasses. This is the guy who hooked up the vtec light on Binner's car.

First thing I have to say is don't question what ur clueless about. If I have to prove this to yas it can be done. So if I prove it by a vid are yas gonna say he has a light on a switch? Do me a favor fellas. Do your homework, then take the foot outta your mouth.

[binner03]

And just to add to that...Do some research on his motor... D17A2. As in SOHC 1.7ltr VTEC-E...Know what that E stands for? Efficiency...Not to be confused with a DOHC Si performance motor.

Here's a simple little link for yas to checkout what it says about the Civic VTEC...

http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question229.htm&url=http://home.san.rr.com/jfroumis/prelude/vtec_faq.html

Here's a quik example of what I want u to read..
"The Civic HX, for example is really a VTEC-E (Efficiency), and is tuned for outstanding gas mileage. As the years progressed, Honda decided to tune a VTEC engine to be somewhere in the middle: both efficient and relatively powerful. This "mixed" VTEC is the one that has found it's way into the Accords, some Civics, and the Acura CL. Most VTECs are SOHC (or "Single Over Head Camshaft"), only the DOHC ("Dual Over Head Camshaft") VTEC engines are truly tuned for maximum performance." :eek:

Oh me oh my......... :bandit:

[Addict]

Originally posted by binner03
K jackasses. This is the guy who hooked up the vtec light on Binner's car.

First thing I have to say is don't question what ur clueless about. If I have to prove this to yas it can be done. So if I prove it by a vid are yas gonna say he has a light on a switch? Do me a favor fellas. Do your homework, then take the foot outta your mouth.

Nice response. You might brush up on your english. I wasn't being a hardass or anything. I just asked why he thought it kicked in at 2500 RPM. If it does, you hooked up the light wrong or the car has some issues. Simple as that.

A video won't prove anything except that the light or car is malfunctioning.

[Addict]

Originally posted by binner03
And just to add to that...Do some research on his motor... D17A2. As in SOHC 1.7ltr VTEC-E...Know what that E stands for? Efficiency...Not to be confused with a DOHC Si performance motor.

Here's a simple little link for yas to checkout what it says about the Civic VTEC...

http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question229.htm&url=http://home.san.rr.com/jfroumis/prelude/vtec_faq.html

Here's a quik example of what I want u to read..
"The Civic HX, for example is really a VTEC-E (Efficiency), and is tuned for outstanding gas mileage. As the years progressed, Honda decided to tune a VTEC engine to be somewhere in the middle: both efficient and relatively powerful. This "mixed" VTEC is the one that has found it's way into the Accords, some Civics, and the Acura CL. Most VTECs are SOHC (or "Single Over Head Camshaft"), only the DOHC ("Dual Over Head Camshaft") VTEC engines are truly tuned for maximum performance." :eek:

Oh me oh my......... :bandit:

Ok. So he now has an HX instead of an EX? Word of advice genius, don't talk about what you don't know.

The EX has the VTEC engine, the HX has the VTEC-E. What is your "article" supposed to prove? It has nothing to do with the D17 or VTEC engagement points.

If you don't believe me, feel free to check Honda's site here http://www.hondacars.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=Civic+Coupe .

[binner03]

It isn't a question of why he thought it kicked in that early. It does. Plain and simple. And any idiot can hook up a vetec light. Runnig a LED off ur solenoid isn't rocket science.

Lemme ask u something here chief. U drive a Civic Si. When does urs kickin? lemme answer for you. It kicks in right when all these othewr misinformed people think it does. Around 4500+ RPMS. Which is true. Now ur Si DOHC Vtec is performance tuned. Which is why the need for the high RPM Vtec Activation. And then thewre are those with the SOHC VTEC-E. Who think they own a racecar but fail to realize they own a economy car. Are yas listening?? The D17 IS NOT A RACEMOTOR!!! IT'S A ECONOMY MOTOR!! AS IN NOT MEANT TO BE FAST. Hence the reason for an early vtec activation.

[binner03]

Read... Even the owners will admit it...

http://www.makuragi.s5.com/civic_02/

http://www.torontoracing.ca/video/tech_hndacodes.html

http://prelude.wz.cz/data/motors.htm

http://www.makuragi.s5.com/faq/honda/

http://www.honda.idv.tw/try/eu30207.htm

How many more do I have to throw at ya? I don't believe dealership sites. They are misinformative.

[Addict]

Originally posted by binner03
Lemme ask u something here chief. U drive a Civic Si. When does urs kickin? lemme answer for you. It kicks in right when all these othewr misinformed people think it does. Around 4500+ RPMS. Which is true. Now ur Si DOHC Vtec is performance tuned. Which is why the need for the high RPM Vtec Activation. And then thewre are those with the SOHC VTEC-E. Who think they own a racecar but fail to realize they own a economy car. Are yas listening?? The D17 IS NOT A RACEMOTOR!!! IT'S A ECONOMY MOTOR!! AS IN NOT MEANT TO BE FAST. Hence the reason for an early vtec activation.

4500? The VTEC point is 5500+/-.
Did I say the D17 was a race motor? No I didn't.

Originally posted by binner03
Read... Even the owners will admit it...

http://www.makuragi.s5.com/civic_02/
http://www.torontoracing.ca/video/tech_hndacodes.html
http://prelude.wz.cz/data/motors.htm
http://www.makuragi.s5.com/faq/honda/
http://www.honda.idv.tw/try/eu30207.htm

How many more do I have to throw at ya? I don't believe dealership sites. They are misinformative.

Admit to what?
Why are you acting so ignorant? The evidence is right there. The site I gave you is HONDA's site, not a dealership. Are you able to read big words? I would think that Honda would know what engine they put in their cars.
EX Coupe
With a high-performance 1.7-liter, 127-hp VTEC® engine and 15-inch wheels and tires, the Civic EX Coupe is near the top of its class.
HX Coupe
The Civic HX Coupe is an excellent combination of performance and efficiency. Its 1.7-liter, 117-hp VTEC®-E lean-burn engine is one of the most fuel-efficient around.

The first site on your list says nothing about the VTEC point. The second site barely loads.
The third & fourth site disagree on the engine types. So I wouldn't trust either source.

http://prelude.wz.cz/data/motors.htm
D17A1 1.7 SOHC VTEC-E ?? 95 kW '01 Civic EX
D17A2 1.7 SOHC VTEC-E ?? 95 kW '01+ Civic EX

http://www.makuragi.s5.com/faq/honda
D17A2- 1.7L SOHC VTEC-E- 01 Civic EX (127hp)
D17A1- 1.7L SOHC non-VTEC '01+ Civic DX/LX (115hp)

The final site shows a 4 door VTi. Whens the last time you saw one in America?

[TeriyakiBroccoli]

Make love not war.

[oc civic]

Originally posted by binner03


How many more do I have to throw at ya? I don't believe dealership sites. They are misinformative.

you are BY FAR the DUMBEST person i have EVER encountered on the internet... you just take the ****ing cake... UN ****ING BELIEVEABLE... you are SO stupid i can't even laugh at you... im SAD at the amount of misinformation you are spewing...

[pdiggitydogg]

Originally posted by binner03
Read... Even the owners will admit it...

http://www.makuragi.s5.com/civic_02/

http://www.torontoracing.ca/video/tech_hndacodes.html

http://prelude.wz.cz/data/motors.htm

http://www.makuragi.s5.com/faq/honda/

http://www.honda.idv.tw/try/eu30207.htm

How many more do I have to throw at ya? I don't believe dealership sites. They are misinformative.

um...what do these personal pages have to do with anything??

[TonitrusEN]

this is the best thread ive ever read, and im glad oc speaks his mind, it makes it THAT much more enjoyable.. hahah .. fightfightfightfight

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

Originally posted by binner03
It isn't a question of why he thought it kicked in that early. It does. Plain and simple. And any idiot can hook up a vetec light. Runnig a LED off ur solenoid isn't rocket science.

Lemme ask u something here chief. U drive a Civic Si. When does urs kickin? lemme answer for you. It kicks in right when all these othewr misinformed people think it does. Around 4500+ RPMS. Which is true. Now ur Si DOHC Vtec is performance tuned. Which is why the need for the high RPM Vtec Activation. And then thewre are those with the SOHC VTEC-E. Who think they own a racecar but fail to realize they own a economy car. Are yas listening?? The D17 IS NOT A RACEMOTOR!!! IT'S A ECONOMY MOTOR!! AS IN NOT MEANT TO BE FAST. Hence the reason for an early vtec activation.

you say that the D17 is an economy motor then why would its vtec kick in at 2500 RPM...vtec would surely DECREASE the engine's fuel economy...the whole point behind vtec is to gain more power, and if you want more power u need to burn more fuel...and if you need more fuel then there's less miles per gallon...this in turn would make the D17 a gas drinkin' machine, not an economy motor...

this message is directed to the person that installed binner's vtec light...not to binner himself

[iRACEmyCTR]

i think http://www.makuragi.s5.com/civic_02/ has a shitty car and i want to embarrass him and you, if possible at the same time but one at a time would be equally befitting.

[Tarpit]

Okay. Im gonna make this really simple to understand. When I hooked this up. I didn't use the little how to's every1 posts everywhere. Instead common sense was used so that it could not be hooked up wrong. It's called when ur vtec solenoid is activated it reads 12V across the solenoid. As opposed to not being activated and reads practically nothing. Now his light is hooked up in parrallel with the Vtec solenoid. So when the solenoid reads 12v. (VTEC active) it makes the light go on. :eek:

So in closing to all the whining and opinions being thrown around. I'll just leave it at that.

By the way. This is the guy who hooked up Binner's Light. :bandit:

[oc civic]

Originally posted by Tarpit
Okay. Im gonna make this really simple to understand. When I hooked this up. I didn't use the little how to's every1 posts everywhere. Instead common sense was used so that it could not be hooked up wrong. It's called when ur vtec solenoid is activated it reads 12V across the solenoid. As opposed to not being activated and reads practically nothing. Now his light is hooked up in parrallel with the Vtec solenoid. So when the solenoid reads 12v. (VTEC active) it makes the light go on. :eek:

So in closing to all the whining and opinions being thrown around. I'll just leave it at that.

By the way. This is the guy who hooked up Binner's Light. :bandit:

your in jersey.. SO am i lets get some racing going..

[Racing Rice]

OMG.. This is by far the funniest thread in the world...

First of all, all of those posts that you posted says nothing about when VTEC engages..

Read this, maybe itll shed some light on this whole topic. (I can hope cant I.)

http://hcoc.2u.com.my/vtecpoint.htm

[Tarpit]

I dunno how else I can lay this forth to you. So I'll put it in 2 seperate scenarios.

A. There is something wrong with his car which I don't see possible since it only has 16,000 miles on it. But It can happen.

or..

B. This isn't a general statement for ALL vtec engagement regardless of motor type. This is when his supposedly kix in. I didn't make the rules. I didn't put voodoo on his vtec light from radio shack. I hooked it up...light came on early as fawk....It struck me as odd....and that was that.

Ask binner yourself on here. He'll tell you that I thought the same thing u all did. that it kicked in on high rpms. Me ad him both were a lil dumbfounded at the lights happiness at 2500 rpms. You wanna question it some more. Then take ur ass here to jersey and go for a testdrive with him. Till then. I don't personally care what any of you think. Im not incompetant to the point that I can't see a light go on.

[pdiggitydogg]

(tarpit - you might wanna take that pic and edit it so no one can F*ck you over from your license plate #)

[Tarpit]

Im too lazy to. Plus there are pix of my car all over the net with the plate unchanged for years now. Im ot sweatin it. Thanx for the concern though. :bandit:

[Addict]

Tarpit,
There has to be something wrong with the way its hooked up. Engaging at 2500 RPMs just doesn't make sense.

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

vtec may kick in at 2500...but it may not the "vtec" we all know and familiar with...i'm not takin' sides here, but isn't it true that the 7th gen civic have "3" vtec mode...??? i'm too lazy to do research on it right now...if somebody knows tell us now..cuz this thread is gettin' crazy...:loco:

[Addict]

Originally posted by sohc_vtec 2NR
vtec may kick in at 2500...but it may not the "vtec" we all know and familiar with...i'm not takin' sides here, but isn't it true that the 7th gen civic have "3" vtec mode...??? i'm too lazy to do research on it right now...if somebody knows tell us now..cuz this thread is gettin' crazy...:loco:

Actually that is/was on the D15B motors.

Here's a good article on VTEC. http://asia.vtec.net/spfeature/vtecimpl/vtec1.html
Its not to prove either side's point, but its good reading nonetheless.

[iRACEmyCTR]

Originally posted by oc civic
your in jersey.. SO am i lets get some racing going..

$1000 your crx vs. his, slicks on slicks, but i drive the car.... We really should have some friendly south jersey racing, you know maybe for like a few hundred bucks. That's if your escort can handle it...... :eek: :eek:

[Tarpit]

It really wouldn't be worth it. First disadvantage to me is I have a Auto. So that kills the point there. I have raced a couple si's. Lost to 1 out of 3. Im only pulling a best of 16.4. But that was last year. I've done some more since then. But it still isn't fast. Im down for friendly races but Im not much of a gambler. Plus on top of all of that...He's spraying. So unless we raced N/A it wouldn't even be worth it.

[Tarpit]

Originally posted by Tarpit
Im too lazy to. Plus there are pix of my car all over the net with the plate unchanged for years now. Im ot sweatin it. Thanx for the concern though. :bandit:

And all I can say to this is. Some1 with a 2001 Civic EX 4 door with an automatic. Go hook one up and give it a go. Im not a honda owner and only know binner as some1 who owns this car that would let me test.

[iRACEmyCTR]

i run an all motor 96dx coupe, bring it.

[pdiggitydogg]

I want to respond...but i wont...GO CTR

[iRACEmyCTR]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
I want to respond...but i wont...GO CTR

I should race him for $250 so i can get you your money lol

[Addict]

Originally posted by iRACEmyCTR
i run an all motor 96dx coupe, bring it.
:D

[oc civic]

HEY i want in on this... its a SMALL shot. lol;)

[pdiggitydogg]

Originally posted by iRACEmyCTR
I should race him for $250 so i can get you your money lol
lmao...hell yeah DO IT

[Tarpit]

Nah. As I said before I don't race for money. I really don't even like street racing. Especially with my driving record and what I pay for insurance (22 points, $6,000 a year). But a regular friendly race Im down with. And cause you say u drive an all motor car doesn't mean ur slow. But I'd race ya anyway for shits n giggles.

[iRACEmyCTR]

its locked up, ur empty eyes is my screen name. tell me where you're from and we'll get a spot.

[iRACEmyCTR]

the fastest car in your club runs a 16.3?

[oc civic]

Originally posted by iRACEmyCTR
the fastest car in your club runs a 16.3?

our club VS theres:yes:

[Tarpit]

Unfortunately we are all Auto's. Plus there isn't exactly a huge aftermarket for my car like there is for imports.

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

ooooohhhh...this thread is heatin' up.....:ricer:

[iRACEmyCTR]

Originally posted by Tarpit
Unfortunately we are all Auto's. Plus there isn't exactly a huge aftermarket for my car like there is for imports.

Ya that 1 billion dollar APC aluminum wing and altezza industry gives us a HUGE advantage over you :loco:

[Addict]

Sweet!

Can anyone vid this and post it up???

[iRACEmyCTR]

Originally posted by sohc_vtec 2NR
ooooohhhh...this thread is heatin' up.....:ricer:

how is it heating up lol? these are "friendly" races

addict: i will try to get some kinda video and then edit it in my media class

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

oh is that what they call it now a days? "friendly..ey?"...and don't forget to film it...i just enjoy watchin' some "friendly" racer..hehe

[Tarpit]

No. There are other advantages. Such as there has never been recorded as far as I know a engine swap with a ZX2. Whereas with Honda you's can do an engine swap to at least 3 diff motors if the engine space allowed. In otherwords Im saying it's a lot cheaper for you's. PLus there's only 1 available turbo kit for our car made by Gude which is designed like shit. Plus there are only 2 available head packages available for my car and it isn't really even worth the money for the power. Plius there are other minor things such as the comparison of hwo many quality intakes for mine verse Honda. My car only has about 3 that are in production. 2 full exhaust systems. Plus a very limited supply on other minor things. Just now we are starting to get more bodykit support but that is because we pretty much begged for it since there were only 2 available up until 2001. And the car was first produced in 98. Plus we don't get any support from Ford themselves since we are the bastardchild as compared to their egg on wheels the Focus and the Focus SVT.

Oh. And I'll bring a vid cam to if I can get ahold f my friends digital 1.

[oc civic]

it has to be after this weekend we are welding the cage in..

[Tarpit]

Not a problem. Im in no rush to kill my 3rd trans. By the way. The vid for that animation in your sig is a trip.

[oc civic]

Originally posted by Tarpit
Im in no rush to kill my 3rd trans

get a manual conversion this time;)

[Tarpit]

I would..But I would no longer be under warranty plus I would have to do a lot more then just change the trans. Such as the ECU, wiring harness, Motor and tranny mounts, plus install a clutch pedal and there are other minor things involved. It would be cheaper for me to trade my current car in for a manual. And I don't feel like parting with it yet. I can actually get my trans rebuilt by Level10 in NJ so it can handle hp and burnouts. But that'll cost me a grand total of about 4 grand for the job to be complete including labor.

[Addict]

Originally posted by iRACEmyCTR
addict: i will try to get some kinda video and then edit it in my media class
Originally posted by Tarpit
Oh. And I'll bring a vid cam to if I can get ahold f my friends digital 1.

So long as someone vids it!! I wanna see some racin'!:yes:

[pdiggitydogg]

hell yeah id love to see some good ole racin action

[iRACEmyCTR]

Originally posted by oc civic
it has to be after this weekend we are welding the cage in..

we should do it after my cage gets put in.